Guild Wars 2

They could use 3 days ban and 2 weeks of shame condition so others can decide how much they chose to trust them or not.

Jelzouki.4128:

Extreme.8350:

Fenda.1398:

Mesmers can indeed lose some blind, especially since Blinding Dissipation is bugged and hits through evades..

You dont know what you’re talking about WE need it to survive more than guardians!
and bugged because you cant dodge it you are clearly not playing mesmer
You cannot dodge something which happens instantly
If you already were dodging before it hits then yes.
Squishy mesmer with limited healing is designed not to get hit guardians are not.

Mesmers most certainly do not need blinds. Mesmers have the most OP damage in the game coupled with your ports, your stealths, your moa, your blinds and your clones.

I think they can manage putting an icd on the trait because mesmer was still viable in the previous meta and mesmers have a lot of better utility than thieves now.

The most BURST not DPS IF properly timed and what if i want to play something else more durable ? why should there be just 1 mesmer build.
Thieves were never taken for utility but mobility.
The mesmer damage is mostly ranged thats it, There are much stronger classes.
Rampage 2 shots however…

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Fenda.1398:

Mesmers can indeed lose some blind, especially since Blinding Dissipation is bugged and hits through evades..

You dont know what you’re talking about WE need it to survive more than guardians!
and bugged because you cant dodge it you are clearly not playing mesmer
You cannot dodge something which happens instantly
If you already were dodging before it hits then yes.
Squishy mesmer with limited healing is designed not to get hit guardians are not.

You guys have been asking for less lagg all the time now you got it

Alarox.4590:

“You just need to predict and react to the <1s stunlock KO burst from stealth. L2P.”

Why can’t we just have a fun and balanced game? This is like when Engineers tried to defend the insta-kill Grenade Barrage, and I say that as an Engie main.

You should be explaining to Anet how to change the Mesmer so that the build gets toned down without becoming underpowered, not denying that there’s a problem at all and calling everyone else bad.

you are right they should probably tone down mesmer.
but we are not the only ones who can burst when buildt for it.
engineer can shoot net jump on their head and blunderbus.
followed by static charge and there you go same deal add in elixir s
and you have the same build you are trying to nerf on mesmer.
I think just pu is too much it takes away a lot of risk of running a glass cannon build.
prepatch burst builds were simply not viable.
there was too many condition or cele builds that could counter them.
except for thieves but they didnt had any choice.
also guardian builds which toke forever to kill was defently not fun at all in my view.

Charr fem is not suppose to be feminine its not like firran in archeage.
Asura is just lazy on their part but i dont think its going to change.
Twilight Arbor armor is not too bad on girl asura.

How about a week where it pings on map whenever any of you’re towers are attacked ?

cheshader.5081:

Damian Vryce.9417:

Here’s an event, All anet employees transfer to the lowest rated server and then get match upped with the 2 highest servers. Anet employees get a mandatory 8 hours of WvW playtime per day imposed on them.

And they have to rotate through all classes equally while playing actively.

yea we all know wvw is 50 guardians 2 mesmers
but mesmer op in wvw will be all over the forum

I did like this event for the first 2 hours then the lack of action put me of.
We are basicly only playing pve.
Because we cap towers faster than they can call for reinforcements.

I have kept my 3 tonics incase they will fix them some day

No living story has been a carnival for 10 y/o it would only cheapen the lore even more
They are professionals so they better make a dark and serious story like in gw1.

Just too bad there is no crosshair

You forgot to put necromancer on bottom so it gets buffed

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Jacked up DPS has broken the purpose of many things within the game’s PvP dyamic.

Thats true the damage is overall higher.
However the formula for damage havent changed.
They also merged some defensive traits
So lets say i have 1034 weapon strenght 2000 power with 150 crit damage
If hit you with iwarlock. thats 2326 damage if you have 2000 armor
If you have 3500 armor its just 1329 damage.
Lets not get back to the state of the game where it take forever to kill bunkers.

Dont forget ranger longbow 3,6k+ hits in zerk

Solori.6025:

Extreme.8350:

Go and try to kill eles with mesmer without using moa and null field and tell me we dont need it Also as glass mesmer thieves hit super hard 3 hits and you’re done.

Sorry
BD is bugged and it needs to be fixed.

Please elaborate how it is bugged.

blitzkrieg.2451:

Anyone defending burning from guardians and eles are the same people defending mesmer in it’s current state.

No it really i’sent these ele players are the same as the ones who try to get mesmer nerfed.

Cynz.9437:

Extreme.8350:

Go and try to kill eles with mesmer without using moa and null field and tell me we dont need it Also as glass mesmer thieves hit super hard 3 hits and you’re done.

Ah ya this one bothered me too. Actually mes with some brain gave eles hard times pre patch and countered them to extend. I honestly can’t understand how mesmer has ANY room to complain abou eles (and by all means i don’t play one and can’t stand them in fact). But then again, mesmers and eles i knew/talked to pre patch play on top teams~

Glass thief has 11k HP, shatter does 13k dmg. Thieves have no invuls, they have to go in melee to burst and their dazes don’t do dmg. Do i really need to say more?

The way thieves play they always add in a fight with their superior mobility so by the time you got them on you’re back those shatters are probably already on cooldown.
Im done here if helset and other top players agree with you by all means nerf it.

Go and try to kill eles with mesmer without using moa and null field and tell me we dont need it Also as glass mesmer thieves hit super hard 3 hits and you’re done.

StickerHappy.8052:

Extreme.8350:

Blinding dissepation is not over the top we need it not to be free kills
Ele players who think this is over the top while having perma protection+regen wow.

You talk a lot. I searched your name in gw2score.com Pre LBs and the Current. But I could not find you, Where are you basing all your arguments again?

Hotjoin? Solo q against Low MMR players (Low Tiered Matches)

Or?

I play soloq so im never getting anywhere near leaderboard and i dont care.
Normal unrank/rank but there are a lot of elitist copycats around.

Cynz.9437:

Extreme.8350:

Cynz.9437:

Extreme.8350:

Blinding dissepation is not over the top we need it not to be free kills
Ele players who think this is over the top while having perma protection+regen wow.

it is ok being punished for dodging instant aoe skill? wow ok lol

The blind dosen’t come from shatter clones its anything in melee range of mesmer.
Why should you be able to dodge it? the point is to counter an attack.

by that logic shadow shot blind shouldn’t be blockable/dodgeable….

and while we are at, why not make all attacks non-dodgeable… wait i have better idea, let’s remove dodge all together!

please explain me what is purpose of dodge in this game

Until we are able to tank damage we need skills to avoid damage thats all.
Its not even a big deal 3 seconds. Use you’re autoattack.
What is the purpose of dodge?
what is the purpose of warrior endurance signet they even have heavy armor
What is the point of engineer protection injection?
What is the point of elementalist blinding ashes and shocking aura
Or ranger white raven f2 skill.
Its all there to avoid damage and blinding dissepation is so trivial compared to it.

Cynz.9437:

Extreme.8350:

Blinding dissepation is not over the top we need it not to be free kills
Ele players who think this is over the top while having perma protection+regen wow.

it is ok being punished for dodging instant aoe skill? wow ok lol

The blind dosen’t come from shatter clones its anything in melee range of mesmer.
Why should you be able to dodge it? the point is to counter an attack.

Blinding dissepation is not over the top we need it not to be free kills
Ele players who think this is over the top while having perma protection+regen wow.

Lettuce.2945:

Mesmer is indefensible.

Ofcourse that comes from a faceroll ele player somone wants their free kills back.

Aberrant.6749:

Arkimedes.8730:

Silv.9207 – literally nothing you described is new. You are more or less complaining that mesmers exist. This is a ltp issue.

Darknicrofia.2604 – This is not an argument that mesmers should be nerfed. You actually support my point that other classes need to be buffed.

zapv.8051 – One of the first posts I made on this board was an analysis of why burst gameplay in gw2 was bad for all gameplay. But, basically, because self-healing is so high, and because all your health regenerates when out of combat, there is no attrition in this game. Because there’s no attrition, in order to be able to kill a ‘bunker’, damage builds need a way to burst them down, either solo or as a pair of two. It’s a huge flaw fundamental to gw2 design.

Nier.8741 – This is exactly what I’m talking about. The game will be better when all classes are like mesmer, and none are like current engi and necro. There have been too many interesting ways to play classes that have been flat out removed by being nerfed to oblivion. The game has gotten less strategically diverse as time goes on.

So… basically you’re in favor of another power creep after this previous one?

A well done nerf won’t nerf a build into the ground and make it unusable. It’ll bring it in line with everything else.

While bringing up all other classes to match the problem classes/build might sound good to you, that’s a LOT more work than just bringing the problem classes/builds down. I would much rather have a faster fix and have my mes/ele toned down a bit rather than have things stay as they are for longer. A-net isn’t exactly pumping out the balance fixes…

The power creep has nothing to do with mesmer changes.
Its because of how they removed stats from traits and added it to rest of gear.
So basicly the power creep is equal for everyone and i love it.
There is still bunkers builds which is abomination to kill
but its not so dominant anymore.

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Pls show me a ranger build with bla bla bla

If you are so bad you cant even figure that out im not gonna waste my time

UmbraNoctis.1907:

I didn’t say, reflections are necessary for a mesmer to deal with lb rangers. They just can trait for it, if rangers were actually a problem.

pew pew ranger is pretty much the same thing as those redicilous burst builds
also way easier to do and less squishy so they have no reason to complain.

Ok so i have been thinking about a nerf that would be fair for all.
Attacks from phantasm break stealth not sure if you should be revealed maybe.
It should be just phantasm and not clones because mesmer cant help to summon them.
The reason for this is theif got same treatment on choking gass so its just fair game.

Ranger can stunlock you too, Wolf fear + rapid fire, Even have longer range!
Edit they also have stealth

style.6173:

Extreme.8350:

The new maps looks gorgous so many players will return to try it out

Big difference between players trying it and players continuing to play it. Remember, EotM looks good, but isn’t well suited for fights. The new map suffers from the same issue.

Agree with this.
In eotm The best they could do i scrap ppt and karma/xp from towers all together.
So the only way to win is to kill eachother.
Its like Corsair Stronghold in Tera where everyone goes NO PVP !!!

Carighan.6758:

Your point was?

My point is that i love mesmer and i would hate to see it turn into a warrior
So if there is going be a nerf to their defense mechanics they need to buff them somewhere else. I dont even use pu in my build you can see on pic my pvp build.

Carighan.6758:

Timiok.1048:

I agree to what you mean, we need at least 2 skills that have reveal on each class.
However your example seems a bit overpowered.

That seems a bit excessive.

Wouldn’t a better solution to stealth be to do one of the following:

• Remove stealth (my favorite option, globally, across all MMOs).
• Reduce stealth duration so it cannot be used for anything but momentary defense and reposition.

typical heavy class player mentality
Might as well delete renewed focus and endure pain while their at it.

Theif stealth heal you , clear conditions , grants boons etc mesmer stealth does nothing unless you are using that gm trait and if it didnt buff the duration there would be no reason to use it. No decent players are going to use 3 skill slots and torch
its called troll.
Also backstab hit you no matter what. Same with mantras but they are much weaker.
Mantra of distraction you can just a stunbreaker and go back.
you can see illusions running towards you they have next to no health.
They can be obstructed or out of range if you put down line of warding they all die.
So in order to burst down 15k in 1 go they would have to be in melee range
already have 3 clones up. that is not something which happens a lot.
in a team fight you are more likely to hit somone with kill shot.
Also people love to complain about blinding dissepation guess what the blind dosen’t come from the clones its on the mesmer himself and its 1 blind for 3 seconds.
We dont have heavy armor thats why we need to not get hit.
We also dont have perma protection and regen with cleansing
conditions every 5 seconds like an elementalist.
If you want to nerf mesmer defense you need to come up with an alternative
Im not talking about just PU because aparently its all defense mechanics which is “OP”.

wait to you see revenants turning into shiro i can already imagine the theif rage

Its in the spotlight because its been in the meta for 3 weeks
i like it but i think its going to be nerfed to useless then its dd ele or nothing

Krysin.7103:

My concern is just mesmers atm, its actually put me of pvp entirely. I used to love it before the change usually ranked top of my team etc.
But now it seems all of the classes i actually enjoyed struggle something shocking against a mesmer. For example on my engi i just went to engage a mesmer, im not glass cannon and i was dead within a second, i couldnt even activate one skill. 28k damage, dead. Thats nothing short of kittened when you cant even defend yourself.

That is not a PU build there is no 6/6/6/6/6 build for mesmer hes also really squishy

Teutos.8620:

Q: Profession easiest to kill for Mesmer?
A: Other Mesmers trying to jump onto the fotm-train.

Thats not true because they usually run full stealth builds
in my experience on average with condi warrior with power engineer

alright thanks for help.
So i basicly have to put arcane thievery on my bar if there is an ele on the enemy team?
Moa help sometimes but most of the time they just run away before you can kill them.
Conditions is easier but im bored of playing it i want to play power.

Seriously need some advice here they just seem to facetank all my hardest abilities then heal it up in notime… If i go conditions i can kill them if im lucky if they are prepared its impossible. I dont want to reroll i hate ele.

Cynz.9437:

Extreme.8350:

Placebo Effect.4508:

With mesmer’s increased survivability AND increased stealth, the mechanics aren’t bad, but they should get reassigned to the lowest health pool. Especially post patch where thief lost a lot of evades, there is no good reason Mesmer should still have 40-50% more base health than a thief.

You want to be bursty/blindy/evady like pre-patch thief? Sure, but your hp pool should not be mid-tier, it should absolutely be moved to the lowest tier.

Ok since everyone wants to use max possible burst as argument for a viable pvp build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITieQhX0MeE
warrior op

why is video of some pvp fight is here?

also 100b is way easier to avoid than ranger burst from stealth and long daze (not to mention undodgeable blind)

why do i kill 9/10 “burst” mesmers with my condi mesmer if its so strong
im not even a pro im just rank 79
the competitive scene in this game is a joke abjured farming randoms
they dont even use mesmer and still win
They could probably run 5 power rangers and still win

Placebo Effect.4508:

With mesmer’s increased survivability AND increased stealth, the mechanics aren’t bad, but they should get reassigned to the lowest health pool. Especially post patch where thief lost a lot of evades, there is no good reason Mesmer should still have 40-50% more base health than a thief.

You want to be bursty/blindy/evady like pre-patch thief? Sure, but your hp pool should not be mid-tier, it should absolutely be moved to the lowest tier.

Ok since everyone wants to use max possible burst as argument for a viable pvp build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITieQhX0MeE
warrior op

Pepsi.8907:

Mesmer needs shaving on CS and PU and fix on Mender’s Purity and Blinding Dissipation
the problem with ele is burning, not ele
Rampage is an elite with telegraphed animation that are easy to avoid, l2kite

Ok so i can agree on nerfing pu since stealth camping is useless in pvp.
but they need blinding dissepeation not to be free kills or they need heavy armor.
Nerfing cs sure but atleast lower cd on diversion so they can actually mess you up

more precision is more reflect damage not sure if it can scale over 100%

Only thing i can agree on is there should be a way to tell if feedback is friendly or enemy

burning guardian is the only viable one

Ok after more testing i see where you are coming from the damage is really really bad !

DeWolfe.2174:

Sunshine.5014:

DeWolfe.2174:

… If you go all in for defense, you should be pretty much indestructible…

No.

That boring bunkers poking each other on the point for 10 minutes? Kitten no.

No one should be indestructible.

Compared to being able to insta-gibb from stealth? To have combat last a few seconds with nothing more than 3-5 buttons presses? No thank you to that….

Its not instagib if you know what you are doing its instagib you are bad
the day we go back to indestructible bunkers is the day i quit pvp

The culprit is animations i don’t play warrior but its in theory really powerful
However because everything they do is so obvious its why you are locked down to longbow in high end pvp. What you have to do is take them by suprise with skills like skull crack or hammerstun and pin down good luck !

I havent played it much myself but the damage seems to be fine
Cant expect it to out damage a warrior.