Guild Wars 2

Mesmer double blink. Blink – staff#2 is it? And swore #2 can in fact act as escapebe blinks. Jut like rev can use PT on ambaint creatures, same as giadain…I even do it on s/d thief. Regardless of the ranges, it’s stikl better then juse running.

Yes. This is the other problem. The game is balanced around conquest and since the new hot specs came out a lot of builds have been left behind. I am bringing wvw up “all of the time” because spvp isn’t the only pvp mode in this game, and what ever balance happens in spvp, that reflects to wvw as well (may be they are going to do more spvp skill only in the future)

To tell you the truth, we can sit here and discuss/argue all day about what we want the other sets to do but I belive that the game has gone to far beyond repair for the other/older builds or weapon sets. and its not that some of us cherish or love them…people are just fed up playing the same kitten weapon set over n over, that is all.

That’s old, shadow arts thief regens in stealth, nothing else did or does. May be you should play a thief more then once a blue moon instead of watching YouTube vids where the user cherry picked the best/easy fights… they are called montage for a reason.

You’re right, it isn’t just pi but the whole dd line that has pushed d/p far beyond any other weapon set in the pvp scene as well as wvw. They nerfed a lot of sword skills, gutted acro and made the dd line. S/d pretty much lost its trait line since then because now d/p has the same number as evades as old acro s/d, they gave it a trait that synergies so well with head shot and they gave it a dodge skill which pretty much is immune to all soft cc and a dash range of 1350 range if used all 3 dodges in a row, it’s no wonder d/p is so strong.

S/x used acro before and d/p either used crit strikes or shadow arts so they were on even footings, now d/p is God mode compare to other sets and you can’t deny this.

thief has stabilty if they use dagger storm.

Zenith.7301:

What other effects do these other “short” cd ports have? Because blink has no secondary effect, lightning flash just does less damage than a single autoattack and doesn’t stunbreak unlike shadow step, and phase traversal is not a ground targeted port nor does it stun break.

So please tell me about these mystical short cd ports with multiple effects you’re talking about.

Oh, right, you’re full of it.

because both of them and other class’s has passive’s to carry them, and or, better utilatys with in the class them self. what you fail to understand is that even though shadow step is “overloaded” it is all we have as a primary stun breaker and condi clear (meta d/p not lame d/d evade crp) – once this has gone we have nothing left. also what you don’t understand is that when we are porting away with shortbow, we have failed and lost the fight, porting away with short bow is 6 inactive, thats is 6/15… yes i know it is annoying that thives can just port away like this but that is all they can so deal with it. shadow step is 50 seconds. others are like 30 or less.

I on purposely baited out a power Mesmer’s defence mode and with the right rotation of blurred frenzy f4/5 sword sheild. he was able sustain him stelf long enough to burst me on my thief from 100 – 0 with in 10 second window.

Tbh I think it’s too late to do anything with not just s/d but other none meta sets while the dd line im it’s current state. There is no reason why to play an evasive/defencive build any longer when you have all of the evades you could ever want while playing a stealth burst build, which also interupts at will. Sorry but that’s what in think now.

Nono, them class’s are perfectly balaced because they are fed with a lot of passives.

Condi shatter is a lot easier to handle then the older pu non chrono as a thief tbh.

Are people claiming thief it self is op or jus d/p? I sometimes see power d/d and s/d but they don’t get much hate at all.

Yeah with big dps numbers comes a lot of sacrifice which is why we have things like shadow step (which is also our main condi clear using meta build lol). Let’s see how this awesome high dps can face tank…say a keep lord, or even a tower lord? A thief won’t last long at all yet nearly all other class’s can solo Lords as power builds because of the self sustain from either passives or just boon over load, not to mention now that 4 stats armours are out, some of the above class’s can sit at 27-30k health, my thief has 18k with food oil and keep buff. I have seen a power warrior, a power ranger/ druid, power reaper, power mesmer and a power dh all solo lords, not seen an ele do it or a rev and definitely not a power thief. Only the Condi thief can solo a lord and that’s because it’s either the d/d evade spam or ranged p/d.

I think he meant indirect buffs. Way before hot d/p was either shadow arts or crit strikes. S/d used acro but they shafted that into oblivion and put most of what acro was all into daredevil and there’s the problem. Now d/p has the same sort of evade’s as what s/d use to have (not to mention pi) and so leaving every other thief build miles behind while d/p got a huge buff, the aa buff was a joke…still have no idea why they did that.

The point is. A thief can either gank someone who is at a disadvantage or run like a coward, I have to run full offensive gear on my thief to actually be effective and it dosnt take much for anyone to counter Presure a thief, we also can’t really participate in team fights unless someone is out of postion and even the acro staff build can be shut down and destroyed with 1 random stun mid brawl.

Thief isn’t that great in raids, dungeons, pve in general. It’s only good for +1 and decap in spvp it cant zerg fight or blob up like everyone else can do the only 1 good thing thief can do is roam in wvw and everyone loses their minds.

It’s a good job thief is awesome in large scale fights as well.

Is it the only viable build or is it just simply too good not to use? The only real reason why I struggle to use s/d in wvw and pvp is when a d/p thief is around. Any other class i face uo agaisnt and it’s not a huge issue unless they are better skilled then me the ofc I should lose or have an up hill fight.

Something like this.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVn8lClOhFmCmPB8PhFYCzLNcGaDzhwTYLULBEA2NA-TVDEABurPggHRAAHIg93foNNMPcEB8XtCDOACMp85/TAQiqqIlSIAVCuZYA4IEBRExMzMTnZyMlCQQdWA-w

I think the dmg it self from s/d is pretty solid. At least in terms of wvw. It’s applying it that’s the hard bit. On some class’s you can burst with LS/steal and steal 5 boons and make a huge dent but others like scrapper or bunker druid they just laugh at you – just an example.

S/d has a very defensive play style and the most dmg come from AA and LS. And to access LS you need to hit FS (we all know this) so if anything I would slightly buff FS 5/10%. The autos hurt enough already and I feel that the aa is fast enough. Also let’s not forget how bad /d is. Dancing dagger is usless in a lot of areas due to random obstructions or out of range (doing tequtl west defence you can stand in melee range and using #4 and it will say out of range, go figure). And CnD needs some love for the amount of inative it costs to use.

As for the autos, if anything I would change either cripple or weakness to the 2nd chain. But even that would a bit too powerful.

Natto.5819:

If you want be viable, you need to buy Heart of Thorns.

he bought this game for his own enjoyment, not anyone else’s. its not his fault or problem that HoT power creep has carried everyone to the point its mandatory to play. it is sad though tht people have to be so spiteful over pixels though.

Rankings are serious business

Give thief boons/invul’s and blocks like a scrapper and then they won’t need to run away, at this moment a thief has no choice but to run away.

Hard to see on my phone with low frames too. But I noticed you have your camera postion pretty close, I have mu feild of view set to max btw.

Pretty sure if said mesmer and ele were glass built like the thief is then they would be pumping out higher numbers but they are built for team fights.

yeah you did, but it wasnt just you, was already trying to get away from the fight at tower from the pew pewers on top and that other d/p thief.

again, same with X. very rarly do i miss my CnD unless it was wither blcked/blinded/dodged or out of 130 range.

for 6 inative, and only useable in melee range or 130 range shall i say – i am more annoyed at the 1.187 dmg mod on it :-/. think i hit a full berserker thief the other day for a whopping 4k, and i am running pretty much full glass my self.

seems very boring to play, #5 dodge #1#3 and repeat rotation (if you really want to call it a rotation) p/d was a lot more fun to play then this.

but a a sin diddn’t excel in 1v1 in the first place, it assassinated people lol, it ganked/1shot’d then escaped.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Cynz.9437:

Crinn.7864:

Cynz.9437:

Thing is, why should a dps class that can be easily ignored by half of the classes, and deals mainly single target damage (not even highest in game) at costs of survivability have it’s damage nerfed?

Because that dps class is completely uncatchable by anything that isn’t itself.

The only way to handle a thief is to have your own thief. period. This violates the first rule of balance which is that the best counter to a class cannot be itself.

DH, engi, and war are not counters to thief because they cannot catch a thief. Only revs and chrono have a hope of touching a thief and but those classes are countered hard by thief.

Wrong. Druid can easily prevent thief from decaps or +1 someone due to short CD on RTL. Revs still have their mobility that allows them to follow thief. DHs have teleports.

Thief has counters, which is scrapper, DH, druid, war or just generally… you know, MAP AWARENESS.

Your statement would be true if we were talking about wvw but we are not. PvP is all about holding points and those classes don’t just counter thief, they are also amazing point holders. You don’t have to play for 3 points when you can bunker down 2 and those classes are really good at it.

Mes is not hardcountered by thief…… they have around 50% chance to kill each other. Same goes for rev. Hardcounter is when you have 0 chance to win vs other class (e.g. thief can’t touch scrapper or scrapper simply gets eaten alive by necros).

Yeh but everyone plays 3 cap regardless so that isnt an arguement. I have played in 2 necro comps as a total glass necro (with no lf generation) vs 2 thief comps and people still push far solo. Pi is just too strong. And there is no counterplay.

Why are you blaming pi for your team mates pushing far solo?

This argument about mobilty, duh…thief!!! The whole point is not to be ‘caught’ theving/stealing/burglary and when they do they either get screwed over and have to flee (failed) or get caught and screwed over and die (failed again) it’s not the players fault that they have no any other choice but to port away. Will you just stand there and let your self get killed?

Ninski.5680:

What are they going to nerf about thiefs? They still can’t team fight, all they can do is win few 1v1s and out rotate people, if they nerf thief mobility then the class is useless.

It’s sarcasm mate, was just playing a long since there have been about 3/4 threads so far this week lol

Wait your turn. Thives need to be “nerfed” first. But srsly isn’kitten red alert when you see a guard on point though?

he bit though. all that matters.

Ha! At least we push a few buttons. Your passives play the game for you.

Yeah could of been that actually. Thanks

^ pretty sure that’s the whole point of thief isn’kitten To bust down unsuspected foes, ganking low healthed people. You’re lucky that in pvp maps there are a lot of obsticles to hide behind after said burst, in wvw you have no luxury of that at all.

Forum bug zzz .

That’s odd you say this because a top 40 druid roams with us (not saying the names) sometimes in wvw and claims thief is rediculasly strong because of pi.

What dmg does pi do in pvp now a days? Because in wvw I often hot 3700 on enemy glass builds (thives mesmes and sf eles) and then around 2500 even so low of 1300 dmg on some tanky builds.

I have changed my mind set about this trait from a few months back but that’s only because I fought a lot of thives ad learnt to be patient when we fight but it must be frustrating for necros and possible revs not being able to even get close to use UA

You guys are lucky that this is spvp. In wvw I can proc 4k pi, 1k air sigil, 800crit head shot and 1k sigil of draining, with just 1 head shotting and interupting anything.

I don’t pvp much but I still think headshot/pi is over rated in regards of op. Is a silly trait? Ofc it is, I remember talk back of how silly the idea was when they released DD traits and skills, that being said it’s still nothing to worry about then what other class’s have.

so a few times, on my thief i try to steal into a warrior while in beserker mode but the warrior was “immune” for sod reason, we all know steal prioritises stability and protection. was just wondering is eternal champion was a different case and was 100% immune for any interrupts.

may be they can add a role play area, like in southsun cove.

I use this same build in wvw but with scholar runes instead of vamp. Also I use EA sometimes which does help vs d/p but not a lot.

well i semi main thief and warrior, and when i see warrior regen pretty much 5/6% health per sec, eating 6k back stabs at the most (if i land them) while they can dish out 9k eviscerate/arc devider then yes, i can understand their QQ. tbh i think most thives rage whisper at a victorious enemy is because everyone else QQ;s @ thief mobility and stealth… i think it is more a grudge rage more of a defeated rage whisper.

Looks like vault and bound spam lol.

because wvw .

Skillful interupts are no longer a thing with PI because head shot can be used every 4 seconds (it could before, we all know this) it’s re warding interupting a heal/stomp/res or other important skills, but now that pi rewards dmg on interupting, interupts have become an easy dmg sorce regarding inative system.

So its working as intended then

That will be ‘fixed’ soon then.

silverwaist’s .

Big fat and ugly Male norn mesmer all in pink ias master race.

What’s even worse is that even though cnd gives 3 stacks of vulnerability but the dmg certificate is less then shadow shot. I am not comping there’s 2 skills to say how gready d/p is or how much stronger it is but how can something that costs 4 inative be able to port you to taget, blinds said foe wich can’t be blocked and does more dmg then cnd that can be blocked, can only be used in melee range and costs 6 inative. Stuff like this just makes me wonder how the balance team come up with there’s sort of figures.

silly pve person, you’re in the wrong forums!

Why do people even stow weapon? It’s more of a give away when all of a sudden out comes the weapons again, especially when using lenegry weapons. I just have aa disabled and weapons always out.