Guild Wars 2

Dagins.5163:

Making elite specs OP surely increased sales, but it also showed the gameplay quality is not their top priority. Maybe they just wanted to collect extra money to spend in on e-sports afterwards, to further increase the quality. It could work, but seeing the amount of balancing mistakes and knee-jerk reactions done, it won’t.

Well, are you actually speaking for Anet?? How do you know they don’t care about the gameplay quality?? I mean my games have gotten incredibly exciting since the patch. And that’s just my opinion.

Ithilwen.1529:

Ithilwen.1529:

No the elite specs were better initially. This made the expac an necessity for established players. Once those sales were done, the elite specs were knocked down.

That’s a pretty cynical move in my opinion.

Basic MMO marketing strategy. It’d be like if car companies could take away features from your car after selling it to you for you to buy again. Car companies don’t have this luxury from obvious legal concerns, but software, especially video games, differ. If companies selling physical goods could get away with this, they would.

Thing is, Elite specs are all still way better than core. The only “balanced” one with core IMHO is power-built reaper, but the condi build is out of control. Otherwise, all of the specs are just blatantly superior to core by very noticeable margins.

Don’t forget core mesmer that is condi mesmer. And to not confuse the crowd, I would change Elite specs are still better than core to Some elite specs are still better than core

Exedore.6320:

OP’s point is correct. If ANet is intentionally keeping elite specs blatantly overpowered, it’s hurting HoT sales and gem sales more than helping.

@Fivedawgs.4267
1. How do you convert from a free account to a full account? Buy HoT. Lower than expected F2P conversion and lower than expected HoT sales are one in the same.
2. In PvP they are. And part of enticing people to buy HoT could be making HoT-content like elite specs a power boost.
3. ANet makes money on gem store purchases in aggregate. Not everyone converts gold to gems exclusively, and gems to gold conversion does happen.

What the OP was asking for is elite specs to be balanced with core specs – something ANet has stated since elite specs were first revealed. Not for elite specs to made part of F2P.

1- I can’t believe you actually narrowed down hot sales on f2p accounts?? What about b2p player who upgraded?? The NCSOFT employee at th3 conference said the sales weren’t weak ( that is the amount of b2p + f2p player who upgraded to HOT was invigorating but they still want more f2p to upgrade.

2- Nope they aren’t. I can tell you chronometer underperformed compared to core mesmers, and core engi is (slightly) that amount to HoT engi and the list goes on… check @ithlewell post.

3- ok you’re third point doesn’t even make sense. Idk what you are trying to get at, I clearly stated that Anet doesn’t make that much gold because you can convert gold to gems, a system which lol lacks.

samo.1054:

As long as Anet fail to realize that Warrior as a class needs a major overhaul, until then yes, Warrior is a hopeless class.

It’s a class from another forgotten game, all other classes moved on with their tools.

I would strongly disagree … warrior are far from hopeless.

Loading.4503:

Maybe I’ve been playing it wrong… But usually with sword gs, don’t people use flurry swap to hb? Don’t see any autos in there…

Flurry swap to hb?? What do you mean I can5 read you there.

I don’t belive you! !!!

Seriously that’s not technically possible. How did you know the other camp was 80?? And where you in a party??

Nastyguy.4760:

I have the most success with this build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR3enMdAlkidhAWhAElilqATpHE7yBvj2U7rFpA0ACAA-TpBBQBc4BA0hLAAAOIAyrMAFOCAHc/BA

Have you tried zerker instead of marauder? ? If yes what made you stick to marauder?

online.1278:

Of course! their objective is selling HoT.
You don’t even need to ask such ridiculous question.

Yesterday i saw Tap dat mouse played GW2 for an hour and then 4 hours on BnS tho.

If tdm playing 1 hour of gw2 is your barometer of how well gw2 is doing then I feel sorry for you “friend”.

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Choppy.4183:

Fivedawgs.4267:

You mean cripple every now and then with chill ( if you have hydro on your gs, given that you are using sw shield /gs) added on top of that wouldn’t help you land 100 b more often??

I’m not sure what you mean. I’m saying the sword auto could use a bit more direct damage to shore up the non-condi side of the weapon, and that you’d know if you went to far if its damage output was crazy when using Viper gear.

The cripple on the sword auto isn’t huge (valuable, but not excessive), and I wouldn’t advocate adding another condition (chill or anything else) to the sword auto either.

The chill comes from the hydromancy sigil and I should have clarified. The OPness wouldn’t come from the damage output but from stacking. Because condi such as cripple (-50% movement speed) can stack, increasing the AS on sword would make it last longer. The cripple from the SW combined with the chill (from hydromancy gs) would make it easier to land 100 b. And that would be kind of OP.

not sure what you talking about, i can avoid 100b by walking with crippled…

Lol are you purposely ignoring the combo with HYDROMANY/CHILL which I have mentioned above .. lol

not even sure why you keep saying cripple chill combo when they don’t even stack on effect…

Where they supposed to stacks? The cripple allow you to reposition yourself since you are more mobile than th3 enemy and the chill just froze them to death allowing you to land more than 5 strike of 100 b. This combo is especially effective against thief mesmer. Etc..

You are funny, because i can avoid hundred blade by walking with chill

Of course in a perfect world, everyone can. This idea of his (op) will only increase the odds of 100b landing.

and increasing direct damage on one handed-sword auto attack would increase the odds of landing 100b how?
and let me ask you one more thing, whats the odds of landing hundred blade against decent enemy now? you tell me. not even sure why you talking like increasing the odds of landing hundred blade is a bad thing

Lol Its the stacking on cripple and the chill from hydromancy that would increase the odds of 100b landing; you are quite funny yourself dude.
.. lol

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Choppy.4183:

Fivedawgs.4267:

You mean cripple every now and then with chill ( if you have hydro on your gs, given that you are using sw shield /gs) added on top of that wouldn’t help you land 100 b more often??

I’m not sure what you mean. I’m saying the sword auto could use a bit more direct damage to shore up the non-condi side of the weapon, and that you’d know if you went to far if its damage output was crazy when using Viper gear.

The cripple on the sword auto isn’t huge (valuable, but not excessive), and I wouldn’t advocate adding another condition (chill or anything else) to the sword auto either.

The chill comes from the hydromancy sigil and I should have clarified. The OPness wouldn’t come from the damage output but from stacking. Because condi such as cripple (-50% movement speed) can stack, increasing the AS on sword would make it last longer. The cripple from the SW combined with the chill (from hydromancy gs) would make it easier to land 100 b. And that would be kind of OP.

not sure what you talking about, i can avoid 100b by walking with crippled…

Lol are you purposely ignoring the combo with HYDROMANY/CHILL which I have mentioned above .. lol

not even sure why you keep saying cripple chill combo when they don’t even stack on effect…

Where they supposed to stacks? The cripple allow you to reposition yourself since you are more mobile than th3 enemy and the chill just froze them to death allowing you to land more than 5 strike of 100 b. This combo is especially effective against thief mesmer. Etc..

You are funny, because i can avoid hundred blade by walking with chill

Of course in a perfect world, everyone can. This idea of his (op) will only increase the odds of 100b landing.

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Choppy.4183:

Fivedawgs.4267:

You mean cripple every now and then with chill ( if you have hydro on your gs, given that you are using sw shield /gs) added on top of that wouldn’t help you land 100 b more often??

I’m not sure what you mean. I’m saying the sword auto could use a bit more direct damage to shore up the non-condi side of the weapon, and that you’d know if you went to far if its damage output was crazy when using Viper gear.

The cripple on the sword auto isn’t huge (valuable, but not excessive), and I wouldn’t advocate adding another condition (chill or anything else) to the sword auto either.

The chill comes from the hydromancy sigil and I should have clarified. The OPness wouldn’t come from the damage output but from stacking. Because condi such as cripple (-50% movement speed) can stack, increasing the AS on sword would make it last longer. The cripple from the SW combined with the chill (from hydromancy gs) would make it easier to land 100 b. And that would be kind of OP.

not sure what you talking about, i can avoid 100b by walking with crippled…

Lol are you purposely ignoring the combo with HYDROMANY/CHILL which I have mentioned above .. lol

not even sure why you keep saying cripple chill combo when they don’t even stack on effect…

Where they supposed to stacks? The cripple allow you to reposition yourself since you are more mobile than th3 enemy and the chill just froze them to death allowing you to land more than 5 strike of 100 b. This combo is especially effective against thief mesmer. Etc..

And people says warrior sucks… btw great job on the necro though. Lol, he wasnt ready for the stamina/bezerker stance combo.

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Choppy.4183:

Fivedawgs.4267:

You mean cripple every now and then with chill ( if you have hydro on your gs, given that you are using sw shield /gs) added on top of that wouldn’t help you land 100 b more often??

I’m not sure what you mean. I’m saying the sword auto could use a bit more direct damage to shore up the non-condi side of the weapon, and that you’d know if you went to far if its damage output was crazy when using Viper gear.

The cripple on the sword auto isn’t huge (valuable, but not excessive), and I wouldn’t advocate adding another condition (chill or anything else) to the sword auto either.

The chill comes from the hydromancy sigil and I should have clarified. The OPness wouldn’t come from the damage output but from stacking. Because condi such as cripple (-50% movement speed) can stack, increasing the AS on sword would make it last longer. The cripple from the SW combined with the chill (from hydromancy gs) would make it easier to land 100 b. And that would be kind of OP.

not sure what you talking about, i can avoid 100b by walking with crippled…

Lol are you purposely ignoring the combo with HYDROMANY/CHILL which I have mentioned above .. lol

Schtizzel.5497:

Fivedawgs.4267:

I agree , for the life of me, I don’t know why they always shows pro esl player builders before the game start?? Like all it does is channel the community to the same build.

Yeah it’s not like creating a build is rocket science here in GW2. Take the best traits/traitlines, runes and sigils, have a look at the current meta and pretty much everybody should be able to come up with a build which is 90% equal to the current meta build.

On the other hand most teams do have players who are streaming and by just asking them you will nearly always get their ESL builds.

In the end meta builds are exactly what they are called, the best builds – meta – in the current patch.

It’s always amazing how some people think here on the forums.

Oh really … you mean to tell me that in process of reciprocating a pro player build, one has no chance to come up/make his own build? ? OMG even thinking has a meta .. Why God Why!!!

Choppy.4183:

Fivedawgs.4267:

You mean cripple every now and then with chill ( if you have hydro on your gs, given that you are using sw shield /gs) added on top of that wouldn’t help you land 100 b more often??

I’m not sure what you mean. I’m saying the sword auto could use a bit more direct damage to shore up the non-condi side of the weapon, and that you’d know if you went to far if its damage output was crazy when using Viper gear.

The cripple on the sword auto isn’t huge (valuable, but not excessive), and I wouldn’t advocate adding another condition (chill or anything else) to the sword auto either.

The chill comes from the hydromancy sigil and I should have clarified. The OPness wouldn’t come from the damage output but from stacking. Because condi such as cripple (-50% movement speed) can stack, increasing the AS on sword would make it last longer. The cripple from the SW combined with the chill (from hydromancy gs) would make it easier to land 100 b. And that would be kind of OP.

Choppy.4183:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Idk about lb but sword has condi attached to it… so boosting sword aa would be OP as you would cripple or bleed folks way too often.

The numbers would have to be looked at, but I don’t think a damage increase would make it OP. The bleeds don’t do anything unless you’re running condi gear, and a lot of condi gear won’t make much of the increased direct damage. The set to watch to make sure you haven’t overtuned would be VIper’s.

You mean cripple every now and then with chill ( if you have hydro on your gs, given that you are using sw shield /gs) added on top of that wouldn’t help you land 100 b more often??

Burtnik.5218:

Fivedawgs.4267:

This is exactly why you don’t have a marketing degree.

1rst- HoT sales were not disappointing in away, had you watch the conference you would have known that NCSOFT was pretty please with the sales and their only contrition was the slow paced transition of f2p to b2p, which is your next point.

2nd-All elite specs core aren’t in anywyas oper than core specs. Futhermore, based on the conference again, NCsoft/Anet said they were going to speed up the process by teasing f2p players (I. E. Gliding in tyria, Gliding in spvp, and more). So obviously they won’t go about it by OPing specs because the chrono nerf and more Clearly tell a different story.

3rd- Finally on the sales, lol makes money with rp (I. E. Skins and stuff), Anet on the other hand can’t because you can convert gold to gems. Promoting the xpac is the only way (ok not the only way) for anet to make money. Implementing what you are asking would totally kill the game. And what makes you think that making HOT available to f2p would make the game more enjoyable to them?? Your subjectivity can be clearly seen as most f2p start with pve. And if anything they won’t to get rid of TP limitation.

Have you seen q4 report?

I have but have you watched the conference? 5his thread might help you and make sure you watch the whole conference.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4593lv/q4_2015_report_reality_check/

Idk about lb but sword has condi attached to it… so boosting sword aa would be OP as you would cripple or bleed folks way too often.

NO …. NO …. and NO…. And we don’t have any problem with our dps.

Kicast.1459:

Jelzouki.4128:

I don’t really know what you’re asking but I do know that they are implementing it due to how horrendously boring season 1 of pro league was. Double mesmer and double rev was very plain to watch and when anet kittens up and creates a God tier build like chronobunker, stacking the class becomes way too powerful and resulted in easy carrying teammates in ranked, and a very boring pro league.

Boring maybe…but as you raised it..there were god tier builds…and we saw it.
Good way to manage the problem is to shave the builds that are obviously too efficient.
With new esl rules…op builds will remain as tournaments will no more enlight them.
This is lazzy way to fix balance issues.

This … I agree , for the life of me, I don’t know why they always shows pro esl player builders before the game start?? Like all it does is channel the community to the same build.

This is exactly why you don’t have a marketing degree.

1rst- HoT sales were not disappointing in away, had you watch the conference you would have known that NCSOFT was pretty please with the sales and their only contrition was the slow paced transition of f2p to b2p, which is your next point.

2nd-All elite specs core aren’t in anywyas oper than core specs. Futhermore, based on the conference again, NCsoft/Anet said they were going to speed up the process by teasing f2p players (I. E. Gliding in tyria, Gliding in spvp, and more). So obviously they won’t go about it by OPing specs because the chrono nerf and more Clearly tell a different story.

3rd- Finally on the sales, lol makes money with rp (I. E. Skins and stuff), Anet on the other hand can’t because you can convert gold to gems. Promoting the xpac is the only way (ok not the only way) for anet to make money. Implementing what you are asking would totally kill the game. And what makes you think that making HOT available to f2p would make the game more enjoyable to them?? Your subjectivity can be clearly seen as most f2p start with pve. And if anything they won’t to get rid of TP limitation.

Omg, why does it have to be by default?? OMG, these post are getting down right stupid. I mean Anet gives you the choice to customized your skill bar so why do you want a stun break by default?? And even if they did, what make you think it’s going to suddenly increase build diversity?? You are dangerously underestimating our psyche, because people want to win. Even if they implemented what you’ve asked, people would still use the next OPEST build.

LordOtto.2650:

This week I’ve played with my condi reaper, and every time I have 2-3 reaper in team. There was once we were 5 Reaper in team, we won with +250 points, and I didn’t stress my self (unranked). You all know that now you play with ppl with same MMR.
Atm the biggest problem is that condi reaper wasn’t so good in season 1, and now ppl aren’t build up to counter it, they have to make other builds, and that’s frustrating them. “I was so good with my build, diamond or legendary, and now this OP build, that’s not in the meta builds, now I have to find other meta builds on net, and read about how to counter it” and blablabla crying ‘till somebody comes up with a new class meta build, with good anti-condi, and then "I’m better then you looser".
1. Make your own builds, skills, and play it, I was doing the same thing, ended up in diamond division.
2. Stop crying!
3. Making meta builds from the net is an indirect exploit, be ashamed of your self!
4. It’s easy to make anti-condi builds, professions, so stop crying with 3 reaper in team kitten stuff! You know that 2 Scrapper is more powerful atm?!
5. Unranked now puts me with/against legendary ppl to, 75% I win them… they were used to meta builds, never seen my hybrid Reaper… You can make hybrid Scrapper now, even a good competing elementalist, you are just lazy to build your own good build!

This… it’s like you took the words out of my mouth. That’s the problem with NA,we never come up with our own build and when we do they are always one sided (like no condi removal or no stun breaks or whatever).

Warlord.9074:

LordOtto.2650:

Atm the biggest problem is that condi reaper wasn’t so good in season 1, and now ppl aren’t build up to counter it,

This is backwards. People were built up to counter it in season one thats why it wasn’t an issue. The changes in the latest patch highly favor reapers.

Just becasuse a reaper can be beatin doesn’t mean its balanced because its too easy to do well on a reaper currently compared to the amount of effort it takes to bring one down.

I disagree because necros are always focus in team fight; and obviously they are the Bane of every toons if left alone. That’s why you always FOCUS NECROS.

online.1278:

Anet need to sell HoT, thus they will always make elite OPer than core.

To just sum up,
what anet did is simply described as following that, they removed diversity from the game and i see this game is currently no different than those game with no build diversity (or very limited), such as BnS, Tera and etc..

And think,

if there is no build diversity which was special merit that we can only see in this game uniquely, but not in other games, then what’s the pount of playing gw2 since balance is even worse than those games with no build diversity? As gw2 is also game that forces people playing meta to let them win matches, and has no build diversity sinc;e elite spec is OPer than core.

So, let me ask you this, is chrono OPer than core m3smer?

Varezenem.2813:

The Ace.9105:

Varezenem.2813:

Problem with banning profession stacking is that professions with multiple builds that perform a different role wouldn’t be able to be used simultaneously.

That’s why you have to think carefully what you want to pick for that profession. Can’t have everything in 1 team.

What about a team that intentionally wants to play only one profession even if that profession isn’t the best in every role it can perform?
Like for example the guys that did the 10 XX VG kill .

But why would anyone play a profession they haven’t mastered in rank? I belive the OP is referring to PVP class stacking,and tbh it is very selfish of him. Most people class stack, using the OP words here, because those are the class they are more conformable with. And tbh, most game do okay with class stacking. Let’s look at lol for example. A perfect team always has 2 dps one tank or a mage, or 1 a dc 2 mage and a tank. So class stacking is bound to happen.

I main warrior, so I definitely get our tradeoff but I doubt engi are that perfect. I mean they have to sacrifice something to get burst/sustain or whatever.

Another make me OP thread. Ah…

Vieux P.1238:

Oh plzz. you need to reflect back on your first statement & analyse your own. Cuz between your first point about the 7 million Gw2 players & then jumping on WoW stating as a question about having 3 million players? Your kinda confuse & of all over the place! *Rolling my eyes!

Lol and where did I change my stance ?

Vieux P.1238:

True.. he did reply to a post. I give you that. But my original point still stands cuz Colin did make a statement that there was 400k twitch viewers during the event witch is fluff hype as we all know it. Well the none sheep followers i mean. & now you gonna have me believe that there’s actually 7million players playing Gw2 atm? Cuz that’s what being hyped in BOLD letters & point of your statement. If you cant figure out the coloration between does 2 points (HYPE) then your ….@.. as well as a sheep.

Lmao dude you are all over the place, you keep on jumping onto conclusions without analyzing your statements. Time to take a break dude lmao. And my point still stands.

My point is there is nothing out there which proves that 1 million or 500 folks left the game. So we can pretty much jump around the issue but as long as 7 millions account were created and nothing/no data shows that 1 million folks left the game. Then why not believe that 7 millions people play the game?? It’s pretty much subjective at this point.

Vieux P.1238:

Not random, if you took time to to read rediit, you would of noticed that the OP is Colin from anet.. Dha!!!….you all sheeps.

Well, not only am I at work, but if op means original poster, and the dude who posted the thread is _Ev4l and Colin only replied to clarify/ emphasize a point?? How did you make that corrolation? ? I am confused , or maybe I am not sheep after all.

Vieux P.1238:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Vieux P.1238:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Vieux P.1238:

I guess the point that op’s is trying to make is that if a game mode dont work, dont be afraid to pull it out. Spending money to fix something that’s never gonna work is just wasteful.

So are you insinuating that conquest don’t work?? 7+ millions people play thi game, and only the op and 10 others (less than 50 for sure) have complained about conquest. So, what are you getting at?

+7million peeps playing Gw2? Oh my! this game is more popular then WoW.. the game is saved. (-Now whoes tha comedian?)

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-journey-is-just-beginning/

Whoes da comeedian Noa? I know it hard not to jump on conclusion when you dont do your research.

Now that’s funny.. How cute, There’s still peeps that believe in tha hype. +7million..rolf.. Santa clause i believe in you to.

Fyi: you can post this + this link Cuz it must be true… Arenanet said so.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3v0x29/how_do_anet_expect_us_to_take_pvp_seriously_when/

Rolf!

Well,I rather belive Anet than a random poster..

Crinn.7864:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Vieux P.1238:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Vieux P.1238:

I guess the point that op’s is trying to make is that if a game mode dont work, dont be afraid to pull it out. Spending money to fix something that’s never gonna work is just wasteful.

So are you insinuating that conquest don’t work?? 7+ millions people play thi game, and only the op and 10 others (less than 50 for sure) have complained about conquest. So, what are you getting at?

+7million peeps playing Gw2? Oh my! this game is more popular then WoW.. the game is saved. (-Now whoes tha comedian?)

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-journey-is-just-beginning/

Whoes da comeedian Noa? I know it hard not to jump on conclusion when you dont do your research.

That’s accounts created, not the actual population of the game.

Yeah but who is to say that 1 million+ folks left?? Correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t wow has like 3 million players?

kuritsutian.2987:

Thing is that there’s no ele build that carries players by itself atm.

Ah, so you ele still want to be OP??

Vieux P.1238:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Vieux P.1238:

I guess the point that op’s is trying to make is that if a game mode dont work, dont be afraid to pull it out. Spending money to fix something that’s never gonna work is just wasteful.

So are you insinuating that conquest don’t work?? 7+ millions people play thi game, and only the op and 10 others (less than 50 for sure) have complained about conquest. So, what are you getting at?

+7million peeps playing Gw2? Oh my! this game is more popular then WoW.. the game is saved. (-Now whoes tha comedian?)

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-journey-is-just-beginning/

Whoes da comeedian Noa? I know it hard not to jump on conclusion when you dont do your research.

Idk.. idk, u watch @gamingwithstorm last night, and he got wreck by a zerker ele in a 2 vs 2. And then again, I have seen good ele on the battlefield.. so idk idk

Quadox.7834:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Quadox.7834:

Miyu.8137:

Quadox.7834:

He is right. Almost every single class, even non HoT ones, are overpowered to disgusting levels. Contrary to popular belief, having everyone being OP doesn’t make the game competitve ad fun. The powercreep is the main problem this game faces.

Ok, then he should talk about nerfs in general.

But anyway, idk what is this powercreep bullkitten you guys talking about over and over again. The last meta was increadibly bunker. You saying everyone having too much power, but I can’t see ppl being one or two hited. Mostly I even see duels which takes too long or are endless even despite both oponents using offensive amulets. There is no problem with power in this game at all.

Let me explain. Powercreep doesn’t actually have anything to do with the power stat, as in, damage. Powercreep refers to an increased effectiveness of anything. For example: higher damage, more condis, shorter cooldowns, more boons, more dodges, more cc, etc.

Now you can go back and read our Posts again, and im sure you’ll understand =)))

Still doesn’t refute his point, if as you have said the power creeps are so insane then why is it that :
The last meta was increadibly bunker. You saying everyone having too much power, but I can’t see ppl being one or two hited. Mostly I even see duels which takes too long or are endless even despite both oponents using offensive amulets.

People should just not post in balance discussions if they don’t understand these concepts. Read my post again or look up another explanation of powercreep since you don’t seem to comprehend it. =)

Lol you are the one who lacks the critical skills to understand what I am saying. Let me dumb it down for you. According to you power creeps = shorter cc or more cc in general, let’s use wealth as an example. If you are poor and I rich,I pretty much expect you to notice the difference. However, if we are both rich, if anyone going to notice who is doing better than th3 other.; or are we not on equal standing so everything feels normal to us?. Brb

Wolfric.9380:

Most warriors are discipline + zerker + X or am i wrong ?

Yup, you are because it depends on the build. Futhermore, many melee warriors have started ditching discpline for strength. Then again,it depends on what you are building.

Quadox.7834:

Miyu.8137:

Quadox.7834:

He is right. Almost every single class, even non HoT ones, are overpowered to disgusting levels. Contrary to popular belief, having everyone being OP doesn’t make the game competitve ad fun. The powercreep is the main problem this game faces.

Ok, then he should talk about nerfs in general.

But anyway, idk what is this powercreep bullkitten you guys talking about over and over again. The last meta was increadibly bunker. You saying everyone having too much power, but I can’t see ppl being one or two hited. Mostly I even see duels which takes too long or are endless even despite both oponents using offensive amulets. There is no problem with power in this game at all.

Let me explain. Powercreep doesn’t actually have anything to do with the power stat, as in, damage. Powercreep refers to an increased effectiveness of anything. For example: higher damage, more condis, shorter cooldowns, more boons, more dodges, more cc, etc.

Now you can go back and read our Posts again, and im sure you’ll understand =)))

Still doesn’t refute his point, if as you have said the power creeps are so insane then why is it that :
The last meta was increadibly bunker. You saying everyone having too much power, but I can’t see ppl being one or two hited. Mostly I even see duels which takes too long or are endless even despite both oponents using offensive amulets.

Wolfric.9380:

There are only very few non elite builds that are competative (this is OK and marketing). Usualy you are at a disadvantage without elite. Also most classes have a mandatory traitline and somtimes weapon set and 1-2 utilities they need. So if you don´t build around this its again lowering your effectiviness.
So build diversity is brought down to a minimum if you want to be effective.
I play ele main and there its a bit diffrent. Ele can adapt a bit better but this is unstable after cele removal. Ele has so much traits and utilities that are weak in PvP that its sad. Looks like the same with other classes. So in theory you have thousands of builds, practically you have less then a fistfull per class with some small variants.

What i fear most is taht the next expansion brings another elite wit more power creep so the current elite´s get second tier. I understand the free to play base being behind in PvP, but it Anet starts to power creep elites it would be a disaster.

I would disagree with this, given that each trait is supposed to proc with certain weapons. Let’s look at warrior,for example, most of us run strnegh def discpline/zerker (melee warrior build). This build will only work for melee warrior, switching one of the traits for arms without changing one of your weapon would hamper the efficiency of your build. Hence why, rifle warrior usually runs arms, same goes for torch warriors; and finally warhorn warriors usually take tactics. So it depends on your weapons, some proc better with certain traits and vice versa…

AegisFLCL.7623:

Eurantien.4632:

Without these pets druid would never kill anything unfortunately.

Finally someone who understands the real issue. GS, LB, and Sword all provide laughable damage in comparison to other power oriented classes, specs, and weapons. A more traditional condi spec would be the best bet without reliable pet damage which core GW2 pets have some serious issues with.

That’s why only the devs work on balanced, not some random gw2 player. Unlike the devs,they have no ideas how skills work or how it affect the other party,in this case your oponnents.

Dojo.1867:

A few things:

• bristleback and smokescale are the only 2 pets on a completely different level, I would say atleast 80% better than the average and still 40% better than “decent” pets (dogs, birds, tiger)
• even bristle and smoke require traited beastmastery, without it dmg is only mediocre (and absolute garbage for other pets), stats like precision, power and ferocity amplify each other, the difference between traited and untraited pets is too high

What needs to be done:

• all the bad pets need buffs to their damage, survivabilty and utility
• beastmastery needs to be toned down, only +100 stats instead of +150 would be a good start
• this would already nerf smoke and bristle and it should be reevaluated if further nerfs are required or not

Did you even read what others have said or are you just pushing your own agenda here?? A ranger just said without their pets they can’t kill stuff? So why should anet reduce the stats on their pets If anything anet should make it so that the pets have the same stats as the amulet; there is no need to change the traits.

I dare the op to play 2 top 2 mid and one bot on Lol. And I run a non meta build for my warrior, it’s working pretty great for me. Anyways. If you want to be competitive , buy HOT. If not stop complaining because Anet is not going to change their marketing strategy to you competitve. What you are, really, for will bankrupt Anet. For godsake how hard is it to get???

And Einstein why would Anet implement your idea? Like do they have to lose by separating HoT from core?? Maybe a decrease 8n hot sales??

Rekt.5360:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Well if my MMR is really low . As you have mentioned,why then am I being constantly matched with pz ot 3zpz ; better yet why o I have a 70% winrate.

And why don’t you ask those so called better than wilson warrior to to try melee warrior?? Or better askif any of them made it to diamond with melee warrior??? Uhm..

If you have a win rate of 70% then that’s really suspicious as kitten and will mostly lead to people saying “Bruh u play vs scrubs if you have that win rate”. Juba said he made it to diamond and warr and he plays sw+sh/GS, he’s pretty good too so I don’t think making it to diamond on a melee warr should be a substantial proof, anybody can do that with a premade or with enough MMR tanking in the past.

Super Wilson.7408:

I call them North, South, mid, East and West.

LOL bro this isn’t swtor xD

Funny because the OP ask for OUR opinion. So you don’t have to agree with me. And that’s just my opinion and I stand by it.

MasterD.4790:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Vieux P.1238:

I guess the point that op’s is trying to make is that if a game mode dont work, dont be afraid to pull it out. Spending money to fix something that’s never gonna work is just wasteful.

So are you insinuating that conquest don’t work?? 7+ millions people play thi game, and only the op and 10 others (less than 50 for sure) have complained about conquest. So, what are you getting at?

Conquest as a game mode sucks. Sure some people enjoy it. I still play PvP in this game because I enjoy the combat and fighting….I do not enjoy the conquest game mode. If they had a properly setup TDM in sPvP and (and not that court yard BS) it would be much more enjoyable.

Have you tried stronghold?

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Helicity.3416:

Poor Wilson has virtually given up on playing warrior.

He’s learning Rev now after people literally dropped queue because they had a warrior on their team, which made Wilson sad

Oh really? ?? BTW it has yet to happen to me though… I had quite a few games with pz and ez pz. Anyways, that’s just sad.

LOL, i guess you are the #bestwarriorworldno1ezpz #warriorviableAF
also does your knowledge about good PvPer solely come from twtich or something, because it’s very poor, i can also imagine your MMR being extremely low…there are warriors who are equal if not better then wilson, most of them either quit the game or the class tho
and i also have no idea why you keep saying that warrior is viable AF because wilson, even wilson himself said that warrior is bad…

Well if my MMR is really low . As you have mentioned,why then am I being constantly matched with pz ot 3zpz ; better yet why o I have a 70% winrate.

And why don’t you ask those so called better than wilson warrior to to try melee warrior?? Or better askif any of them made it to diamond with melee warrior??? Uhm..

Vieux P.1238:

I guess the point that op’s is trying to make is that if a game mode dont work, dont be afraid to pull it out. Spending money to fix something that’s never gonna work is just wasteful.

So are you insinuating that conquest don’t work?? 7+ millions people play thi game, and only the op and 10 others (less than 50 for sure) have complained about conquest. So, what are you getting at?

Helicity.3416:

Poor Wilson has virtually given up on playing warrior.

He’s learning Rev now after people literally dropped queue because they had a warrior on their team, which made Wilson sad

Oh really? ?? BTW it has yet to happen to me though… I had quite a few games with pz and ez pz. Anyways, that’s just sad.

Unlike conquest, almost Noone played dominions on lol. So you are is not only invalid, and very biased.

Juba.8406:

+10

better close the whole forums, switch to reddit.

Fluff/PSA/TIL all the way.

For customer support and suggestion, send your ticket to a popular streamer .

So salty it’s not even funny.

Tim.6450:

Have fun with your (very) long break then, because in order to make an elite spec on the same level as a core spec it needs to be a shared third strongest traitline of the class. Not going to happen.

If I may add,it would also hurt Anet pockets. His idea is just not feasible.

I actually feel it.