Guild Wars 2

And I do think this is esport.

ErazorZ.5209:

InsidiousWaffle.7086:

bye, have fun in Blade and Soul

Yeah, good thing i dont play BnS.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Bye .. and also if you can. Please send me your ascended gear and what not. As far as your thread is concerned. It’s utter crap( hope I didn’t offend you there Because I really want your gear). Hope I’ll receive my gear today.

And have fun

Im glad you understood this thread so well and you read it thoroughly. I mean, i dont really get why your even here commenting when you dont even read the thread.

I quite clearly stated ill be having my way with PvE and WvW. But ofcourse, some people have nothing of value to say. So ill take it with a grain of salt and just ignore you for the remainder of your time spent in this thread.

I mean i get it, why you need to hate with saying nothing at the same time. I wont say your constructive critisism showcases your intelligence. But yeah, it does.

I mean your pvp GEAR!!! Kappa. Sorry it’s very easy to jump to conclusion when 99% of these post always revolve around someone leaving Gw2. But you are right I should have read the whole post.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Fivedawgs.4267:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Silverthorn.8576:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Not really…The winning team will get a pip so unless the loss is one sided I don’t see the point tbh. IMO, above 400+ losses shouldn’t result in pip loss.

Players have to try hard into win games and not loosing above 400+.
I don’t care about grinding shiny butterfly wings, i want matchs which worth to be played.

This … this is rank, we already have enough people saying that rank doesn’t equate to skill. Well.2 anet should set then system so the only to get a pip is to win a game. I totally agree with you; rank is supposed to be competitive, you wither w8n or lose.

Read what I wrote again i.e. not losing pips to keep the score competitive, not gain pips. Net gain/loss of zero pips in a match doesn’t equal gain of pips. You’re twisting my words.

Nope, I know what you meant. And my point being loss = -1 pip and win = 1 pip gain. I wasn’t twisting your words, I am against the safe net you are trying, so hard, to create for losers.

Then you clearly don’t understand the potential problems it’ll lead to in pug teams/soloQ matches or atleast pretending not to in which case there’s very little to take this little argument forward. We can agree to disagree

Pretending to?? As if I ve never lost a close game. You are the one who is being shortsighted by the issue at hand. All you are doing is giving more ammo to the “league sint tatamount to skill” crowd. Rank is supposed to WAR,COMPETITVE,where chicken get slaughter by bears, it’s supposed to bring the Viking out of you. I guess not everyone share my point but I just wanted to LET ANET KNOWS that not everyone share that idea of yours.

Burtnik.5218:

Ignore him. He dont even know how to stow weapon. Amber lyfe.

He doesn’t … and tier 6 ruby life And idk how revs works, I couldn’t help it but notice the greed in Op post. But If his request is legit, who am I to say otherwise.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Silverthorn.8576:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Not really…The winning team will get a pip so unless the loss is one sided I don’t see the point tbh. IMO, above 400+ losses shouldn’t result in pip loss.

Players have to try hard into win games and not loosing above 400+.
I don’t care about grinding shiny butterfly wings, i want matchs which worth to be played.

This … this is rank, we already have enough people saying that rank doesn’t equate to skill. Well.2 anet should set then system so the only to get a pip is to win a game. I totally agree with you; rank is supposed to be competitive, you wither w8n or lose.

Read what I wrote again i.e. not losing pips to keep the score competitive, not gain pips. Net gain/loss of zero pips in a match doesn’t equal gain of pips. You’re twisting my words.

Nope, I know what you meant. And my point being loss = -1 pip and win = 1 pip gain. I wasn’t twisting your words, I am against the safe net you are trying, so hard, to create for losers.

Of course, let’s make revs jack of all trade. Oh I am sorry, I forgot revs weren’t supposed to have any weakness. How silly of me, OP you are totally right. It’s about time for revs to go back on GODLY GOD tier.

Kicker.8203:

Add /resign or /giveup /forfeit

Nope, I am totally against this. The only thing they should add is Afking in the report section.

Fluffball.8307:

You got 2 hours of dishonor on the first offense?

Obviously it wasn’t his first offense. Usually the gw2 icon light up when it finds a game.

emkelly.2371:

warrior feels weak because it has no sustain. warriors were never meant to kill as quickly as thieves but thieves but they are meant to be right up in the thick of the fight. Unfortunately warriors cannot stand in a fight. Necromancers out sustian and out damage us at the same time

Speak for yourself friend. I mean a few people include myself who can down 2 necro let alone one. And I always go mid/tf because of my build. So yeah, try to adjust a few things on your build.

Lmao, this post is comical. A rev asking for a buff, now I have seen it all.

Silverthorn.8576:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Not really…The winning team will get a pip so unless the loss is one sided I don’t see the point tbh. IMO, above 400+ losses shouldn’t result in pip loss.

Players have to try hard into win games and not loosing above 400+.
I don’t care about grinding shiny butterfly wings, i want matchs which worth to be played.

This … this is rank, we already have enough people saying that rank doesn’t equate to skill. Well.2 anet should set then system so the only to get a pip is to win a game. I totally agree with you; rank is supposed to be competitive, you wither w8n or lose.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Thing is, if i fully ‘let the pvp spirit take my mind’ for a bit (wich is not good, more on that later), and player super competitive, I might win a few. But I also might have a streak of 480-500 or closer games. Say that happens. Say that 8 matches in row this happens. I will start considering the game machmaking to be at fault and NOT my team/team composition. While close enough for rematch, the game clearly keeps putting my team slightly ahead of the true expected win rate. It might feel like small impact, but loosing 8 pips!!!! for 8 VERY incredibly well played games (imo), is just wrong. It will make me rage, and not know where to send the rage at. Sure you could ‘find ways to improve,’ but there’s also limits in that. Same for ‘keeping the pvp spirit’ (hardcore wanting to win, doesnt matter via screaming, elitism, as long as you win). It’s not good. Game is i meant to be fun, and keep you busy with goals.

Two problems: Forcing people to have 75% win rate (is necessary to cross ruby /diamond consistently), gets the worst in ppl. It will remove the fun part (hence true pvp spirit is wrong imo).

By forcing you (sometimes) to loose 490-500 many times in row, and be punished for it, you will get mad. You did all you could witrh your team, but didnt work out. Who’s at fault? It’s not logical to just say the team (it’s only 2% diff, wich can be statistical error, or just luck on enemy side). You will get mad. Your will to win (in this sort of matches), will fall down in no time. And in every next game you feel you are loosing, you will not waste energy and ‘rage quit’ (or ’economicly save your pvp sportsmanship in the matches it might be more ncessary).

Result: the fun factor in pvp is TWICE damaged. The frustration levels are TWICE increased.

And the will do farm the goal (wings), is damaged. Cause Anet forces you in matches you can almost not win. And not winning is loosing out on the wings (you need pips).

This is speaking from a mostly soloQ (using chat to communicate) perspective.

Since you want to have fun in the game… please play UNRANK and stay away from RANK. That’s the easiest solution for you.

And at the dude above you, it wont the amount of afk’er because you get harshly punish everytime you afk. If one of your teammates doesn’t contribute in the gane report him bitting; I still wish ANet had an afk/not contribution to the game in their report section.

Bye .. and also if you can. Please send me your ascended gear and what not. As far as your thread is concerned. It’s utter crap( hope I didn’t offend you there Because I really want your gear). Hope I’ll receive my gear today.

And have fun

There is no such thing as CUTTING YOUR LOSSES … you either win or loses its simple. That’s life so stop trying to SJF your logic into this game. And at the second poster, it won’t increase the amount of afk’er. You know what?? Because you get time out everytime you afk, like who want to get a 1 hour time out during league?

significant pvp tract rewards that’s feasible. And yup, I guess that would work.

Wolfric.9380:

Well you can´t do annything to this issue. Its mental. A player might not go AFK he might just not pay much attention/focus on getting points and do things like fighting offpoint or standing close to minimize his effort. The only way to minimize that is giving a reward for making points. Not very much have the mental setting of never give up or fight till death ;-).
I also have seen such combacks. Its great. I just say that no reward for pointing will lead to less motivation for fighting hard.

Your first point : I thought that’s why Anet gives us 1 min and 20 sec at the start of very gane so we know where everyone is going, and also setup rules for the team such as not fighting off points, etc… It looks as if you want Anet to fix your team camp communication, if the 1:20 min are not enough then I guess anet should increase to 2 min’s( which I am strongly against) to help others player who are struggling with team camp communication.

Second: The rewards are given to those who make 50p pts first ????

Wolfric.9380:

Well it might lead to players giving up and going for a coffe after a few minutes and i hate that. If you fall behind 100:200 and one player goes AFK there won´t be a great comback chance. And a system with flat rewards/losses suppots this.

Nope it doesn’t because comebacks do happen, I have seen people comeback from 4 vs 5. So who is to say 200- 100 is a death sentence. If anything catering to afk players by adding a resign feature would only encourage them for afk ing more. Why?? Because in rank afking time you out for 15 min’s at first, from there it increase exponentially.

Kicker.8203:

People are already afking in unranked if they get behind in points. Imagine how many more ppl r gonna afk in ranked where they explicitly go in order to win. Personally I like to play the entirety of the match to at least have fun playing even if we lose(which is impossible if 1-2 teammates already afk), if arenanet thinks otherwise they should add a /resign command like in gw1.

The system that used to reward players for getting more points even if they lose was a great idea except most people had no clue it was a thing because it was only mentioned in a blogpost.

Also why not let people who have went through Amber already to simply skip that divison? You can’t even lose pips it’s just pure grind. Legendary players should probably start in sapphire and ruby also.

When you changed matchmaking to not take MMR into account was not the perfect solution. Yes, it made good players have an easier time climbing the ladder but at the price of matching ppl up with players out of their skill level. IMO matchmaking based on MMR should have been kept but higher MMR would cause you to gain more pips on a win or something. Neither bad players enjoy getting farmed by pros nor pros enjoy not getting a challenge. (the division skipping for achieved players would also fight this)

Omg … definition of ENTITLEMENT!!!

Kicker.8203:

Sergoros.4398:

Kicker.8203:

Also why not let people who have went through Amber already to simply skip that divison? You can’t even lose pips it’s just pure grind. Legendary players should probably start in sapphire and ruby also.

Need those divisions for the achievement and tournie badges. Skipping them would be more of the punishment, than reward.

Then grant the rewards too… all people who earned something deserve to have a bonus for placing high in the previous season.

With your mindset i feel the only thing that keeps you moving is the rewards. I don’t think that’s what pvp is about. People used to play pvp when all you could get is fun and being respected for being good at the game.

well if you are good at the game then you shouldn’t have any problem climbing up the ladder. Lots of people got carry to legends last season because of GOD druids and GODLY bunker mesmer.

TPMN.1483:

Yes – I know we might get the red resigns/blue resigns mess to gimmic a system. This is unlikely if they are interested in real progression on the leaderboard.

You can always have a strict limit of how many /resigns an individual can request in a day. No-one wants to play matches which are face-roll 500v<100 (which is happening in unranked more often than not right now – so may as well AFK and enjoy the free rank points later).

No just no,first because you are supposed to play a rank game till the ends. This will encourage more people to just afk in game. The way the game is structured is good enough to keep players from Afk , who want to lose a pip?

Second with the new/rank match making system it’s every unlikely for game to be lost by 400 pts. And even if it was implemented because would still abused it, given that the resign was set to 1 per day. So no, we seldom had any problem with faker or on sided gane last season. So if it’s not broken why fix it?

philheat.3956:

Yeah, I honestly don’t like they removed the tryhard,

They could add for example a 0 pips lost if you get 400 pts.

At least you’re incentivated to try always until the end.

A loss is a loss .. get over it. Why are you so spoiled??? You should lose pips even if u lose by 0.5 pts.

lighter.2708:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Choppy.4183:

Fivedawgs.4267:

FYI. .. final thrust or sword 3 can hit 3 target so in tf that 5k dps.. or 7k dps if all of your oponents are under 50% Hp. Well, I guess it’s pretty subjective from there. If you mainly solo than u should mace … in tf sword is strng er than mace dps wise.

It’s not though. That setup, getting three targets below 50% in a position to be cleaved with the same FT and without them seeing the large telegraph to mitigate, is not a common occurrence. It does happen (I downed two people in a 3v1 that way just last night), but it’s rare. Catching more than one person without the expectation that they’re below 50% is more common, though.

Meanwhile, the 3rd hit on the mace auto chain hits for more damage than Final Thrust when targets are above 50%. It can be used every 1.75s, it applies 5 stacks of vulnerability, and nobody tries to dodge it because it’s an auto.

Keep in mind that, despite this, I choose sword over mace pretty much every time on a power build. But it’s not for the damage, it’s for the utility.

Yup,same here and the prowess of sword 3. Get revs with it all the time.

you definitely do, best war NA 5dawgs, those hundred blades to the air were epic as well

Dude, I 1 vs 1 that spokie ranger all game long. So idk what your are talking about Kappa. But yeah, we should have won that game. But my team rotations sucked.

Choppy.4183:

Fivedawgs.4267:

FYI. .. final thrust or sword 3 can hit 3 target so in tf that 5k dps.. or 7k dps if all of your oponents are under 50% Hp. Well, I guess it’s pretty subjective from there. If you mainly solo than u should mace … in tf sword is strng er than mace dps wise.

It’s not though. That setup, getting three targets below 50% in a position to be cleaved with the same FT and without them seeing the large telegraph to mitigate, is not a common occurrence. It does happen (I downed two people in a 3v1 that way just last night), but it’s rare. Catching more than one person without the expectation that they’re below 50% is more common, though.

Meanwhile, the 3rd hit on the mace auto chain hits for more damage than Final Thrust when targets are above 50%. It can be used every 1.75s, it applies 5 stacks of vulnerability, and nobody tries to dodge it because it’s an auto.

Keep in mind that, despite this, I choose sword over mace pretty much every time on a power build. But it’s not for the damage, it’s for the utility.

Yup,same here and the prowess of sword 3. Get revs with it all the time.

FYI. .. final thrust or sword 3 can hit 3 target so in tf that 5k dps.. or 7k dps if all of your oponents are under 50% Hp. Well, I guess it’s pretty subjective from there. If you mainly solo than u should mace … in tf sword is strng er than mace dps wise.

1rst point- How can you predict th3 future?? So it’s not gg since people can always comeback.

2nd – I am pretty sure that would only work during the first 3 minutes of the game; but that’s a valid point.

Feral.3609:

@Fivedawgs sounds like you’ve never used sword before in a power build, as such you have no idea how it can benefit both power and some condi builds. Now sir, your attempt to belittle my suggestion just makes you look like a moron.

Well, it wasn’t an attempt but sword does more dmg than mace that’s just a fact sword 3 does more dmg then mace 3 and all the mace auto when your enemy is under 50% Hp; and we are not even accounting for the bleed. Mace 2 is pretty much defensive it only does dmg when hit whereas sword 2 always land. So yeah, sword does more Dmg than mace on a power build.

Feral.3609:

One of the suggestions I’ve made in the past regarding sword mainhand is giving it extra adrenaline per hit on the auto attack. Prior to the nerfs on warrior I ran sword/shield and great sword on a power build for mobility and to set up burst using immobilize on the burst skill. However now, the mobility it provides is not enough anymore; especially not enough to justify the loss in potential damage using other sets. I’m currently using mace/shield (loss of mobility made up with extra block/reflects and damage increase).

I believe giving it an adrenaline buff would make it more viable on power builds, without making it overshadow axe mainhand in terms of dps. Any buffs you guys suggest, please take into account the other weapon sets!

Lol this made me laugh (your adrenaline on auto) ?? And Mace deals more dmg than sword?

Alin.2468:

Crowd Control is bad, extremely bad, very very bad for PvP balance.

Crowd Control is interesting, entertaining, especially for kids when they control other players.

Because of these opposing reasons, PvP should have a very small and well thought out dose of crowd control.

But, most likely all this is just my opinion, because this game does not have a small dose, but a huge dose, in just a few professions.

Have you ever heard of stability ( which counter 99.9% of physical cc) or condi clear( which works well against immobile,chill and stuff)??
This is L2P issue. Learn the game guys.

larocca.8391:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Crinn.7864:

Alin.2468:

Yes. That is exactly the challenge. Try to play something, anything, without meta builds, or without the elite trait line, and see what happens.

The challenge is to create your own build, something completely different, but not meta. With that in mind you can see how “beautiful” the balance is, and how they do “not love” money while “not making” you to buy expansion.

Meta builds are “meta” because meta builds are builds that are extremely well put together and synergize well with the current game mode.

Believing that non-meta builds should be on par with meta builds is essentially saying “please make craptastic builds equal to well thought out builds”

Now yes you could argue that there needs to be more builds considered “meta,” but people really need to abandon this delusion that balance means every possible build is equal.

This ^^

There is so much synergy within some classes that it becomes simply unfair.
Mostly they certainly are well thought out builds, by people who deserve all the success they get by figuring out these builds, but when some fotm class hopper rolls you with little to no effort, stands there getting smacked by all your heavy hitters while dodge rolling your autoattacks, it’s disheartening to see how little effort it takes to win in this game.

Now this has nothing to with the game design, that’s an MMR issue. There is no way your going to win a game in high elo JUST because you are running a meta build; if anything having your own build will keep you alive longer,leading to a win, since at least 30% of high elo player know most meta build and their respective combo.

foxcat.4096:

Also it should be mentioned that i can’t think of an MMO that has catered to non expansion owners as much as HoT has i really feel that non expansion players should understand how rare it is to not have level cap increases new gear levels etc.

It in all likely hood would have been much easier to increase the level cap add in new skills whilst you level and increase trait length by one so you have 4, choices instead of 3. The implementation we got with elites and no cap increase is much more difficult to balance and would have been done with people who don’t want to upgrade in mind among others.

The game is by no means perfect and some aspects deserve constructive criticisms but i think its abit ridiculous to complain that you are getting screwed over as a non expansion owner.

This… these folks don’t understand that warm bread is not given for free. So, we are literally beating on a dead horse.

Archon.6480:

…so you used to have to purchase core GW2, then ANet developed the expansion and said “hey, since we now have the expansion, let’s give the core game away for free!”

…And you are mad about this? Really? Is this the twilight zone? Of course the expansion has neat new stuff. It would be boring if it didn’t. And of course the elite trait line is stronger than the core… It’s called ELITE for a reason!

I am afraid your words make so much sense that it’s going to hard for our average gw2 player to grasp.

zone.1073:

Give core specializations 4 trees instead of 3.

Game fixed.

Only a kittened company would do this.

Ithilwen.1529:

You don’t understand. Channeled skills should not be untargeted by invisibility. This is according to the wiki. Confusing Images is a channeled attack.

Ranger Rapid fire is a channeled skill. It can’t be evaded by invisibility or short range teleport. So, if ranger hide evades a channeled attack like Confusing Images; Then Ranger has a significant defensive advantage.

Who said it untargeted anything, unless I am wrong the rabger hide just switch target. Then again, I don’t know rangers mechs.

Dojo.1867:

Warriors clearly needs survivability buffs. If they think their current state is fine for the next few months then they have lost another player.

Nope, dont expect to survive in tf if you are using bezerker.

Crinn.7864:

Alin.2468:

Yes. That is exactly the challenge. Try to play something, anything, without meta builds, or without the elite trait line, and see what happens.

The challenge is to create your own build, something completely different, but not meta. With that in mind you can see how “beautiful” the balance is, and how they do “not love” money while “not making” you to buy expansion.

Meta builds are “meta” because meta builds are builds that are extremely well put together and synergize well with the current game mode.

Believing that non-meta builds should be on par with meta builds is essentially saying “please make craptastic builds equal to well thought out builds”

Now yes you could argue that there needs to be more builds considered “meta,” but people really need to abandon this delusion that balance means every possible build is equal.

This ^^

It’s not a bug, I play warriir and ranger hide kept on changing my target.

Vieux P.1238:

Crinn.7864:

Vieux P.1238:

Theres no players… They all left when the popular streamers left for BnS

The amount of faith people having in streamers is amusing.

Ur Ammmmmusing….So ur saying Gw2 Esports has no viewers, it’s still a success? Hahaha!
That’s what i call faith.

Vieux P with his asinine logic again, if no viewers mean 0 views and Anet get at least 2k views during the tourney. So how are you making that corrolation??

Crinn.7864:

Vieux P.1238:

Theres no players… They all left when the popular streamers left for BnS

The amount of faith people having in streamers is amusing.

That’s because they are sheeps; they just follow the herd. They judge the gane popularity based on how many streamers they see on twitch. Twist of the story,which th3se sheeps can’t figured out, is that most pro players are trying new builds for the finals. Sharing them is a garantee loss on their Team since their oponents could just counter whatever they came up with.

Crinn.7864:

Ithilwen.1529:

Anet’s new matchmaking algorythm logic seems to be; "if someone wins, put them in a match they can’t possibly win.

No the algorithm boils down to “if someone wins they aren’t playing against good enough opponents, if someone loses then they need to play against weaker opponents”

ofc it tends to be streaky about this, but whatever. I’d rather have this than the random queues so many games use.

And this^^ … Funny how people don’t 3xpect their MMR to decay

Chokolata.1870:

Didnt you hear? Ele is in the meta..

Yup, I knew it one week prior. Went up against one of Best Team North Africa ele, me (as a warrior), phataram as a rev and another dude threw everything we had at him and the ele sustained the fight for about 40 sec. I was baffled by it. I guess pratice/ or knowing what to run can make anything viable. This is why I ve ignored all those ele are no pointless in pvp, clearly those folks havent had a clue on what to run on theirs or aren’t experienced enough.

Nutshel.7264:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Wait… are you telling me you can’t convert gems to gold to buy legebdary weapon or ascended armor?? .. oh thought so

Sure you can, but it is doubtful that such practice is main reason anyone is using gem store, most anybody playing pve gets gear by doing well… pve and uses gem shop to get new “shiny looks”. Just as most exclusive pvp players(if there even are any left) use gem shop to buy new shiny looks.

Sure there will be odd apple or two with more money than sense that will blow hundreds of dolars/euro on gem->gold transitions just to buy full pve gear on TP, but there are(most likely) so few of them that they are not main source of income. It’s been common trend past few years showing that small transactions in big quantity are more profitable than few bigger sales.

Thanks for agreeing with me, check my original post above where I stated due to gold to gems conversion or vice versa; Anet make most of its money with xpac sales.

Chokolata.1870:

What is this obsession with HoT being bad? Seriously. Despite all its faults, I have gotten my moneys worth when it comes to both HoT and GW2core.

Balance being terrible is a fact of life when it comes to Anet. If you expected anything else you were living in LaLa land. At least they are debugging like crazy now which is a major plus.

The things that HoT did right:

- elites are great gameplay vise even if they are a noticable power creep
- complicated new maps
- non cakewalk meta events
- raids
- seasonal leagues even if the meta was horrid in the first season

This … I wouldn’t call it an obsession though, since most of the HoT complainer want a free xpac(Courtesy of Uncle Sam). Have you noticed they seldom asked for Anet to remove the elite specs, you know what?? Because they want them for FREE!!!! The specs aren’t poorly designed because they still rely on core; granted that some are Op but that doesn’t nullify the greatness of elite specs.

Dagins.5163:

@Chokolata
HoT is very bad PvP-wise, and this is a PvP subforum. Balance was much better before it. In fact, now it reached its bottom since the game release. There were always some problems, but never so huge. To make it even worse, we can see no significant improvements – that is deleting power creep once for all, not gently ‘shaving’ it for eternity.

What we can see instead is painfully dumbing down the gameplay, to make it more accessible to beginners. It will work for increasing population of PvP, but it costs the game’s quality.

What? Are you seriously saying that this balance is worse than the one shot meta or 4 ele one thief meta prior HoT Balance is subjective indeed!! I main warrior and I can tell you this is one of the best meta we have ever had. Why?? Build diversity, at least for warrior; we have about 4 viable build atm, and if that’s not balance then idk what this.

Nutshel.7264:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Uninstalling 2 days after an expansion was a foolish move. Even if balance of Revenant/elite specs were perfect, you would still be getting absolutely wrecked simply because you really don’t know what you are up against. 2 days is not enough time to draw balance conclusions, especially after a massive update.

I had reasons:
-balance history was awful pre expansion – hoped expansion would help but it only made it worse
-changes to my class made the only viable spec opposite to what I wanted to play and didn’t like the new elite game play either(played zerker ele for longest time, tempest is dull)
-was getting literally 2 shotted by everything and even if i managed to outplay them the damage was pathetic for zerker build and it took “forever” to kill anything
-making the game buy to win(not pay to win)was last straw, there is no way I’m going to support such business practice

Fivedawgs.4267:

Just to clarify by all gear being non customizable, I meant the stats are the same for every player so I doesn’t matter if you have a legendary weapon or ascended armor.

And are you planing on coming back? Former lol player here, I haven’t check their forum sincrease my departure; hence why I am asking .

Well then gem shop doesn’t have anything to do with it, now does it? You can’t buy actual gear from gem shop, only skins(as far as I know).

Im not sure what your second question is about. If you’re asking about gw then:

I do keep tabs on gw2 forums just in case anet gets new balance team or the only one somehow gets smart. That’s because GW2 pvp had really convenient format, match max 15 min easy to join, short time commitment made it ideal for me.

Else if you were asking abou LoL then I have never played that abomination.

Wait… are you telling me you can’t convert gems to gold to buy legebdary weapon or ascended armor?? .. oh thought so

Yashuoa.9527:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Yashuoa.9527:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Op let’s me ask you this question.. how often do you play per week?

That varies a lot.
At times zero to like a couple games a week.
At times several games a day or just the daily.

That’s the problem op. As I see it, MMR is not static. So let’s say this week you played with players whom have the same MMR as you do. Next week, you … brb I’ll finish my paragraph later.

I know that mmr is not static as in that it goes up if you win and goes down if you lose.

Not sure what you are getting at though.
Ill await the rest of your paragraph.

The new mmr doesn’t only account for your MMR but also the number of games played in each category. So your MMR might be very high,however because you don’t have a lot of games played (let’s say in unrank); The system will match against folks by factueing all that in.

Yashuoa.9527:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Op let’s me ask you this question.. how often do you play per week?

That varies a lot.
At times zero to like a couple games a week.
At times several games a day or just the daily.

That’s the problem op. As I see it, MMR is not static. So let’s say this week you played with players whom have the same MMR as you do. Next week, you … brb I’ll finish my paragraph later.

Op let’s me ask you this question.. how often do you play per week?

Well it doesn’t count as a loss, it’s a forfeit. Check this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Dc-and-losing/first#post5973342

Nutshel.7264:

Fivedawgs.4267:

- Since you narrowed HoT sales on spvp; granted that pvp er wants to have cool outfit and … why would a pvp er spend his money on gems? All gear in pvp is not customizable. So why else would a pvp er spend his money on Those who spend money on gems are WvW er and pve er for the most part or pvp er who either wvw or pve. Someone who log on to gw2 to solely play SPVP HAS 0 INCENTIVE to spend his

Since when is “All gear in pvp not customizable”? Any gear customization that can be bought from gem shop can be used in pvp. And also before that sentence, I clearly stated that beside skins there is not much a pvper can spend his money/gems on.

On topic of balance/elite specs being relevant to people upgrading/not upgrading. I for one played the game for 2 days after HoT release then uninstalled it. Before that I’ve been playing on and off since beta, mostly pvp(~80%). Seeing state of game after expansion made me quit.

Just to clarify by all gear being non customizable, I meant the stats are the same for every player so I doesn’t matter if you have a legendary weapon or ascended armor.

And are you planing on coming back? Former lol player here, I haven’t check their forum sincrease my departure; hence why I am asking .

Exedore.6320:

Fivedawgs.4267:

1- I can’t believe you actually narrowed down hot sales on f2p accounts?? What about b2p player who upgraded?? The NCSOFT employee at th3 conference said the sales weren’t weak ( that is the amount of b2p + f2p player who upgraded to HOT was invigorating but they still want more f2p to upgrade.

No matter how anyone spins it, it’s clear that NCSoft wants more HoT sales. The OP’s point still remains valid: PvP balance being a mess doesn’t encourage people to spend money on the game.

2- Nope they aren’t. I can tell you chronometer underperformed compared to core mesmers, and core engi is (slightly) that amount to HoT engi and the list goes on… check @ithlewell post.

That makes me laugh and question what game you’re playing. Yes, chronomancer was heavily nerfed, but many of the elite specs are still incredibly strong to the point where playing something that isn’t one of those elite specs puts you at a clear disadvantage.

• Scrapper is beyond broken. Way too much damage and sustain.
• Druid offers too much defense and CC in one package and the HoT pets carry the damage. Something has to give.
• Reaper chill damage is ridiculous (though otherwise Reaper isn’t too bad). It should never be that high for how much they apply it.
• Dragonhunter is overbuffed with poor mechanics, causing it to destroy mediocre players.
• Herald gives revenant numerous “get out of jail free” cards.

3- ok you’re third point doesn’t even make sense. Idk what you are trying to get at, I clearly stated that Anet doesn’t make that much gold because you can convert gold to gems, a system which lol lacks.

Not everyone uses only gold for the gem shop. Many players spend actual money for gems. NCSoft stated that they’re happy with the gem shop revenues, so I don’t see what your point is. Further, ANet stated that people who PvP regularly stick around longer and spend more on the gem shop.

Back to the OP’s original point: Awful balance, particularly from elite specs, does not encourage more sales either through boxes or the gem shop. If making or keeping elite specs so strong was driven by marketing, that decision was extremely short-sighted.

The only way you’ve argued against is to spin words on finance and claim that elite specs aren’t overpowered when it’s clear that the only competitive builds (by a wide margin) use elite specs.

1- Which company doesn’t want to increase their profit? ? Lol… And I wasn’t “spinning” words to prove my point. Again, NCSOFT is SASTISFIED with HoT sales, what they want is for f2p player to transition. (What is it that you don’t get). Nope the OP point is invalid, here I am going to delineate it for you so we don’t do this back and forth thing:

- Since you narrowed HoT sales on spvp; granted that pvp er wants to have cool outfit and … why would a pvp er spend his money on gems? All gear in pvp is not customizable. So why else would a pvp er spend his money on Those who spend money on gems are WvW er and pve er for the most part or pvp er who either wvw or pve. Someone who log on to gw2 to solely play SPVP HAS 0 INCENTIVE to spend his money.

-About the spvp balance being a mess. OK are we still talking about f2p or what?? I thought you couldn’t noticed how balance work until you were rank 50 or something. So, are you insinuating that f2p pvp player start by learning how “messy” the balance is than their own skills?? Interesting that was quite a reach.

-Now, let me tell what would make a f2p want to upgrade to HoT, having a limited access to the Tp,selling his gear at a 50% discount to a local merchant instead of making profit by selling it to the TP. Not being able to whisper, not being able to glide, only having access to 1 or 2 bag and 1 or 2 bank tabs, and so on. For your average f2p player spvp is NOT EVEN ON THEIR MIND.

2- Had you read the Op post you would have understood that the OP meant “All elites specs are OPER than core”; hence my “No they arent”. Idk how much time you have wasted on your second point but there is a difference between ALL and Some; so allow me to laugh at your reading incomprehension.

3-lastly, another case of reading incomprehension. My point is : because some players can convert their gold to gems; Anet revenues would still be low compared to Lol if both had the same player pool. Hence, they make most of their money with xpac, removing the incentive for f2p players to upgrade would totally hurt them financially. Whereas lol could (if they ever decided to release an xpac, and I know it’s moba but I am using it to make a point) , they could always rely on their money to rp to sustain them. And about NCSOFT being happy with gems to gold revenue, lol which company doesn’t want more profit?? And didn’t you just argued against that statement above?? Since NCSOFT stated they were happy with the sales?

Voramoz.6790:

Here is the Shinryuku build I’ve been using:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQRAsf5enEdAlkidhAWhAEliFjAzIAsBzZvF3k7zFZEsC+AA-TJBHwAAOJAlfCAq3fIZZAA

Here is the link to his guide:

http://youtu.be/F4E2HhF92vQ

I wish he went a little more into the combos and skill chains he uses. Eh? Shin? Eh? Also I just call it the Shinryuku build.

The newly beefed up heals are strong. I for one can’t wait for ESL for Metabattle to update. I have higher hopes for this season.

I thought he said last stand was, overall, better than cleansing ire . So, I am a bit shocked. So did he say why he opt out of last last stand?

I feel the love, I am free to express my opinion as anyone else. You have got to love America. I heart America!!

Browrain.7346:

Fivedawgs.4267:

One word = double thief and druids … I faced 3 thieves and 2 revs totally. They totally rekt us.

I don’t think you understand how the expression “one word:____” works. You follow up the colon with one word.

It’s the MATA FAULT!!!

One word = double thief and druids … I faced 3 thieves and 2 revs totally. They totally rekt us.

Choppy.4183:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Oh thanks, I didn’t know weapon swap could interrupt sw burst skill (flurry). And thanks again mate.

No problemo. As a tip, stowing your weapon is a great way to bait out dodges from your opponents as well.

For example, Kill Shot (and Gunflame) have fairly obvious animations that a skilled opponent will attempt to dodge. If you start to channel the skill and then stow your weapon before it fires, they’ll generally use a dodge and you’ll still have all of your adrenaline to initiate the burst again.

BTW you are stowing your weapon by swapping right or is there another way to do it?

Choppy.4183:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Loading.4503:

Maybe I’ve been playing it wrong… But usually with sword gs, don’t people use flurry swap to hb? Don’t see any autos in there…

Flurry swap to hb?? What do you mean I can5 read you there.

Flurry applies a 4s immobilize on the first hit, but the remaining hits just apply some really crappy damage and bleeding (crappy even if someone’s using condi gear).

So the best thing to do is use Flurry for the first hit to apply the Immobilize, and then interrupt the skill so you can do something more useful like a full 100b, or some other burst. The sure-fire way to interrupt Flurry is stowing your weapon, but sometimes just swapping weapons will do it.

Oh thanks, I didn’t know weapon swap could interrupt sw burst skill (flurry). And thanks again mate.