Guild Wars 2

bLind.6278:

Warlord.9074:

people complaing about warrior sustain have no clue as to what they are doing, Warrior is in a good spot right now, If anything its OP.

Warrior OP because it has better semi-passive regen?

Wow.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Steelo.4597:

i am in a kind of lethargy atm about warrior. are these new builds floating around after HoT substantially better then standard stuff like this?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNApeRjMdQVIW4BOeAnIGUCKcDi7L4yiA431p44PCA-TVCCABMcEAcZDAAeAA/pHYT1A0SZACnAg60E4whAIAwBglD8bAA-w

i need some motivation to really play warrior again.

You linked an incomplete build, hard to say.

Before I go any further, has anyone tried this?

With that Defender rune and new Adrenal health….

(1): +25 Healing
(2): When you block a foe’s attack, gain 1 second of regeneration.
(3): +50 Healing
(4): When you use a heal skill, gain aegis for 5 seconds. (Cooldown: 10s)
(5): +100 Healing
(6): When you block a foe’s attack, heal yourself. (Cooldown: 30s)

You have healing and sustain from-

-Leeching
-Mango pie
-AH
-RR
-Healing Signet
-Defender Rune
-Regen

Been testing and the amount of healing is literally absurd, I was being attacked by 2 thieves and a Mesmer, shield blocked the thief steal skill, and went from like 1k hp to full in seconds with 3 stacks of AH.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNApeRnMdAVhgdhAmkCElilrA7d0WaXtIBgEQqTJHoGA-TVBXABAo8LE9BYu/wDKB7R9HSBYmWL-w

All preference, I can’t stand LB, I just play gs and axe or sword.

Yes, both need to land in order to receive the desired effect.

The ONE class I’ve stuck with for years, Warrior, is still the biggest joke of this game. It has THE best potential for being an amazing support class, but like many others, we’re forced into traitlines and bottlenecked into certain decisions which force us out of the meta.

I’m sick of the band-aids Anet places on us whilst completely ignoring the larger issues that have been around for a long time.

We have an IMMENSE potential to be part of the meta where we can bring support and dps, but, Tactics, is trash, shouts are trash, and banners are trash. We are the same thing weve always been since beta, and that’s a 1 trick pony, fly in and die.

Instead of Bulls charge+Frenzy+HB it’s now Headbutt+F1 spam as much as we can before our stances run out and we die to conditions in seconds.

All the Warrior vets are sick of it too, we have to play top notch in order to do anything another class can do better and Revenants were just a slap in the face.

Now here we are, post patch, 3.5 years later and look at us, still garbo in comparison, still being melted by conditions, still lacking sustain and any real options. Most classes are able to have a hefty amount of defense and sustain while having great offense as well, but, noooo, not us. We are forced into a defensive roll, where we can’t kill anything, or, full offense and melt like butter. (This is spvp only, I wreck in wvwv with foods, buffs etc)

Ohhh and look, we joked for months about Healing Signet getting a buff and we’d get a regen of sorts, we’ll I’ll be darned, that’s exactly what we got. A piece of duct tape to put over our mouths and our wounds to fix the larger issues at hand.

Now, instead of being forced into Discipline traitline which is practically mandatory for fast hands and Warrior’s Sprint (a trait that used to give us an advantage) but now everyone has perma swiftness, we are now also forced into Defense as well if we want that little bit of added sustain from Adrenal Health.

So now, we get to pick between Zerker, or, staying vanilla, which is better overall for a more balanced Warrior imo. Because No one is going to take tactics or arms, and we need Disc.

So here we are, forced into traitlines that give us the illusion of build diversity. Still in no better shape then we were since last time whilst every other class, including the ones that have always been on top, necro, ele, mesmer etc continue to get better and receive more buffs.

The sad thing is, some people on the warrior forum, who love this class and want to see it thrive and shine as much as I do, put together MASSIVE compendiums and rework ideas that were not over the top that would really help us, and they allllllll go unnoticed.

I love this class, but I’m not sure Anet even cares anymore or ever did.

But hey, looking on the brightside, at least we aren’t guardians.

Yes, because trying to eat through protection while being weakened is super fun =)

Yeah I’ve swapped to CI with new AH change for more guaranteed condition cleanse in berserker mode.

Nerfed for what? It’s not game breaking. It’s duct tape over the larger issue.

displacedTitan.6897:

Good thing most of the meta last season was Power builds, otherwise you could have been right for once.

Yet those same “power users” are the same meta classes in the condition circumstances, Mesmer, necro, etc.

Interesting….

-Condition has always been far too easy to apply, reapply, and offers no immunity timer.
-The damage is horrendous and stackable
-There aren’t enough cleanses for some classes
-Condition needs ONE stat, ONE STAT to make it good.
-Power needs at least 3 making everyone super glass
-Spammable
-Aoe
-Eats through things like Endure Pain
-Completely disregards protection

So, I’ll say again, what exactly is NOT op or broken about conditions? Weve been through this condi meta for years, despite “nerfs” here we are, still being destroyed by simple application from range.

Where as I, a power Warrior, have to physically hit you through protection , blocks, dodges, blind, cripple, hard CC, soft cc, chill, etc

Where exactly do you not see the issue?

-Condition has always been far too easy to apply, reapply, and offers no immunity timer.
-The damage is horrendous and stackable
-There aren’t enough cleanses for some classes
-Condition needs ONE stat, ONE STAT to make it good.
-Power needs at least 3 making everyone super glass
-Spammable
-Aoe
-Eats through things like Endure Pain
-Completely disregards protection

So, I’ll say again, what exactly is NOT op or broken about conditions? Weve been through this condi meta for years, despite “nerfs” here we are, still being destroyed by simple application from range.

Where as I, a power Warrior, have to physically hit you through protection , blocks, dodges, blind, cripple, hard CC, soft cc, chill, etc

Where exactly do you not see the issue?

Dark Night.5601:

emkelly.2371:

Burnbow (Longbow Losword sword, torch condition build) is capable of easily soloing a fully upgraded camp and tends to decimate zeros in close in fights. With new adrenal healing it’s even more redonkulous.

If power is more your speed or if you don’t have server yet great sword, axe, shield is very good. But my favorite is a launch build I was working on this morning running mace, shield, hammer with stomp, kick, and rampage. There is something supremely satisfying about throwing everyone all over the place.

I do prefer power. I’m very used to burst damage on mesmer and would like to replicate it to some extent on warrior.

I have some videos in my sig but took a break for about a year. Holts is great as is Vaans, he runs a similar build to the zerker axe posted above and Hollts enjoys Vanilla like myself.

Here are some of theirs.

Holts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmW511StXks

Vaans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPIHTs2UdSY

Been extensively testing new adrenal health.

Once Zerker stance goes down, after HS active as last resorts fades, still get melted by condis even with 3 stacks of Adrenal Health.

Surprise Surprise, the band aid isn’t working.

Choppy.4183:

ronpierce.2760:

That said, I feel the number is a little high, the pay off is certainly exceeding the risk involved by quite a bit. Seeing as how the healing is the same (correct me if I’m wrong?)

No, it’s quite a bit more healing. It used to be somewhere in the mid-300s every 3s, provided you had full adrenaline (i.e. didn’t burst). Now it’s just under 2500 health over 15s per stage of adrenaline used when landing a burst, with a maximum of 3 stacks (so just under 500 health/s).

Whether it’s too high remains to be seen. While just under 900 health/s (including Healing Signet, and assuming no healing power) is a lot of healing, it’s in the context of warrior having serious sustain issues at 370/s.

While I’ve noticed the increased sustain in a fight, I haven’t found it to be particularly overpowered, nor is it in the running for top-tier sustain.

This, once my zerker stance runs out, even with 3 stacks of Adrenal Health, I get melted by conditions. Same issues still apply. One trick ponies with no access to protection of converting condis to boons.

We have massive team support abilities, but, they suck and the traitline is garbage, as are banners, shouts, etc.

What I wanted to see:

1) F1 converting condis to boons
2) Dogged march+Warriors sprint combined
3) Some way to better handle condis

New change is great, but, requires landing of F1, and we still have limited access to protection where as other classes, like Druids and Eles can practically keep it up entirely.

We are still so far behind in terms of long game sustain.

Here you are brother.

These are what I use.

Vanilla all around solid build:http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR3OjMdQXIWGCWhYoHowaoHyBLA+gIQbjePNA-TVCFABIp87KlgNcBAKZ/h00NUo6PM8AAA4gAgwRAgUAet1C-w

Zerker: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR3enMdAdhglhAWhAElilrATJHk4qBvj2S7qFJAkAKAA-TVCFABAcQAKZ/hrUCiwRAghHAQhq/kmuBkU+1wFAgUAet1C-w

Full zerk is easy enough to stay alive in, especially with new Adrenal Health change. I still prefer Vanilla with sword/shield GS and the occasional axe/shield.

Warrior doesn’t have a place in spvp team, it’s awkward and we don’t have an Elite Shout. With the tactics line, banners etc, there is massive potential to be a team support archtype.

I think this would make a support role in Tactics more useful.

“Warcry”

Let out an aoe howl (Similair to Arc Dividers effects)

-Grants protection
-Maybe a pulsing resistance
-Traited would aoe heal allies and yourself

or maybe

-Transforms condis into boons
-Pulsing stability
-Pulse healing
-Something that offers group support via boons

What do you guys think?

I would have preferred condis to boons on F1 use.

A huge boost would have been converting condis to boons on F1, since that seems to be the motif with us now, everything is F1, F1 to save the day! F1 for damage and sustain! Oh, but we actually have to land it.

Access to protection, seems we, the Warrior, who should have the most access to it, has the least.

Personally I’m tired of the backseat treatment, although Guards may have it worse now.

Nope, I kept the same build, it’s a bruiser, not meant for a lot of sustain but heavy pressure and relies on constant swaps, zerker, and str lines.

dominik.9721:

No it is not wrong, it is my decision to consider sth. passive. And a trait that provides passive 7,5k heal over 15 seconds for a minimal action is in my eyes passive not active.
This isn’t science where I say 1+1 is not 2.

I think we are all aware even basic math eludes you. You can argue the differences between the two until you’re blue in the face.

For example, if I actively punch you in the face, and knock your teeth out, the active action is me punching you, the result is you missing teeth and drinking through a straw. There is always an effect resulting from an action.

I’m glad we can finally conclude this.

All the same, if I have access to a block, I want to use it, if I’m chasing a reaper as a warrior, and he drops marks, I should be able to shield block, run through, drop zerker stance, and have a fighting chance, but no.

As it stands, I have to eat all the marks, then deal with everything the reaper is gonna hit me with as my stances fade.

It’s an uphill battle every kitten time. I’m super tired of it.

I’m still getting ripped apart by necro condis, lol. Now all that chill/bleed just stacks on one another. Who said this was a nerf? lol

bump glad yall like it, im trying stomp, it wrecks now

I cant decide what build period

I’m thinking about taking CI now, but can’t decide.

Someone is in denial

But they can’t grab everything is my bloody point. Which forces some of the more power creep stuff to be toned down if you want access to a more well rounded character.

This is the only MMO ive ever played that limits build diversity and limits access to your skill trees and makes you select x out of X

Silverkey.2078:

Is this a serious thread?
I literally quit the game if this happens.

You know the problem of the game currently?: you can have a build which does everything (damage, control, sustain, support etc…). And now you want to add another line, meaning another way NOT to specialize? Hell no.

I don’t even know what would you be trying to fix by introducing this change.

No, right now the priority should be to erase power creep, and a good measure of that is that core classes should be viable. Basically, my reference is that bunker guard should be a thing again, but not by boosting core traits and skills but by nerfing hard the damage and insane sustain that elite specs have brought.

Some reading comprehension would go a long way. Imagine, for a moment, if we had limited points to spend and access to all all the lines. Would you think we would not have more diverse builds and less power creep like we did before?

The only reason there IS a power creep is bc we get maxed 3 lines with ridiculous passives. This game has turned into dumb passives, spam, aoe spam, and build wars.

Everyone is the same, literally, everyone, albeit a few sigil or rune choices.

I’m talking about access to all the lines, not just a fourth. Although it would free up some more choices.

I’m a warrior and I rofl stomp mesmers. Thiefs/warriors are their hard counter imo, but since no one runs them in meta….

I’m really baffled how we’re still arguing the definition of active versus passive.

Mind boggling, puzzling, and very very concerning.

LughLongArm.5460:

iZakari.1076:

Razor.9872:

I think the build will change slightly between solo-roaming and small group-play. And I would totally provide a build to help, but It’s been forever since I’ve visited WvW xD

I’ll let someone else help with this.

Understood! I think I’m looking more for a solo-roaming build then Thank you!

This is probably the most op solo roaming build out there. Enjoy.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATWnUqA1Ci9CCOsActglOBDelGT3pO9tAQh7pFEqWYl8s0A-TFCFABXpEsQ1fQS5H77PAwTAINdBLcIAU/CAQKgy1aB-w

This is nice, personally closer to what I run now, but, I’m a huge fan of glyphs, they save my life a lot, do great damage, blind etc. And I like to have at least 3k toughness on medium armor classes, but that’s just me. Also not a fan of the low hp pool. I just replaced all jewelry with soldier. Left armor/weps zerker, with perma fury, 50% is good enough for me.

This is what I run as a solo roamer with slight alternatives lately, going for more power and less armor. I have zero issues killing anything, and 1v2’s aren’t usually difficult depending on what it is.

staff and sw+d is also acceptable but I like Ancient Seeds with LB, even untraited LB is a great weapon.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATWnUqAVsilsC2CCctglOB7pFEqWYO9tAQhDelOT3pl8s0A-TFCFABsv/QTKPW4SAAwTA4R1fSTXgSKxwSJIpAqYkF-w

S/d

and

D/p

What do you guys like? Anyone test HIS yet?

For the specialties?

Would it break the game? Do you guys think it would be too much? Or add a different level to gameplay depth.

Personally, I don’t like how the trait system is. I’d prefer to have access to all 5 lines at once, being able to pick things here or there and make more well rounded builds instead of being forced into “Metas”. Give us like 80 points to spend and bringing back ol trait system. They talk about build diversity, but that’s hilarious. There has never been build diversity.

So who would be on top?

I personally think Warrior would be pretty stupid, having access to str/disc/def and berserker. Most now are forced into Disc for movement+fast hands, and now Defense for AH trait. Leaving u with vanilla or zerker. Would pretty much be 30-50% dmg increase.

Then of course mesmers, druids, necros etc

This is meant to just be a gee whiz fun discussion.

For the specialties?

Would it break the game? Do you guys think it would be too much? Or add a different level to gameplay depth.

Personally, I don’t like how the trait system is. I’d prefer to have access to all 5 lines at once, being able to pick things here or there and make more well rounded builds instead of being forced into “Metas”. Give us like 80 points to spend and bringing back ol trait system. They talk about build diversity, but that’s hilarious. There has never been build diversity.

So who would be on top?

I personally think Warrior would be pretty stupid, having access to str/disc/def and berserker. Most now are forced into Disc for movement+fast hands, and now Defense for AH trait. Leaving u with vanilla or zerker. Would pretty much be 30-50% dmg increase.

Then of course mesmers, druids, necros etc

This is meant to just be a gee whiz fun discussion.

Yeah, check the forums from 2013, there are a few there.

Nice Try, but we know you work for Anet.

Let’s play a game. Which skills are passive and which ones are active.

Ready kiddos?

Natural Vigor: 20% Endurance Regeneration

vs.

Thick Skin: Bonus toughness above hp threshold

vs.

Adrenal Health: Hitting an enemy with F1 in order to activate a regen effect.

Take your time. I know it’s hard.

You have to ACTIVATE AND HIT with f1 to get the regen.

Prettttttttttty sure there’s nothing passive about it, you’re literally ACTIVATING a skill to get the bonus that comes from the effect.

Just like you have to ACTIVATE EP for it to give you the effect.

You don’t get Adrenal Health by not doing anything.

Ya’ll trollin, have to be.

BurrTheKing.8571:

Furajir.3815:

BurrTheKing.8571:

Guys, you are totally misusing the term passive. A passive is something that the player doesn’t trigger on their own.

Passives: Defy Pain, Adaptive Armor, Diamond Skin, Instictive Reaction, any of the traits that give bonus stats

These skills happen on their own without the player doing anything except being hit by the enemy. Having to activate a skill, apply a certain boon, or even just evading may not be difficult in some cases BUT IT IS NOT PASSIVE!

Adrenal Health triggers as a result of the player connecting with a Burst, hence not passive.

Are you suuuuure man?

Well, the relevant definition of passive is “not participating readily or actively” and last I looked pressing F1 is active participation. So yes, I’m sure.

It’s important to use the right terms. We can’t tell the devs “we want less passives” and then list a trait that isn’t passive.

Lol. giving you a hard time, I’m jesting at the folks who don’t know the difference and keep referring to this as a passive change.

BurrTheKing.8571:

Guys, you are totally misusing the term passive. A passive is something that the player doesn’t trigger on their own.

Passives: Defy Pain, Adaptive Armor, Diamond Skin, Instictive Reaction, any of the traits that give bonus stats

These skills happen on their own without the player doing anything except being hit by the enemy. Having to activate a skill, apply a certain boon, or even just evading may not be difficult in some cases BUT IT IS NOT PASSIVE!

Adrenal Health triggers as a result of the player connecting with a Burst, hence not passive.

Are you suuuuure man?

People want to play the warrior to be this sustain machine. As soon as they accept the fact that we have good, hard, reliable, cc and some insane dps we can put a ton of pressure on these “meta” classes, the better off they will be. I personally have never had an issue in spvp, even versus meta classes, I mean I down necros and mesmers fairly easy, maybe they are bad? Maybe I’m just better?

It takes work, and situational awareness to play warrior, you cant just mash buttons and win most times, but it can be done.

We just have a bad stigma.

Riveting tale chap

I don’t like how we keep getting pigeonholed into taking traitlines.

Disc was always pretty much mandatory

Now defense is

So you can either stay vanilla and pick up the damage modifiers and go strength, or, drop it and go zerk

But running str/zerk is a death sentence

Time to stay vanilla and just be kittened now.

Phineas Poe.3018:

Spartacus.3192:

Phineas Poe.3018:

Just going to drop in here that I felt the nerfs were pretty rough until I swapped from Paladin’s to Mender’s.

Now it feels just like before, and without any real significant impacts to damage.

I played with menders a couple weeks ago and felt i lost way too much damage

Versus Paladin’s? It’s the same amount of power. You’re just offsetting some precision for healing power.

aka a big loss of damage

Not home to test anything yet, but, is elite spec a must for the new adrenal health?