Guild Wars 2

Your hatred towards eles is commendable.

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

Had a 1v1 vs a D/D Ele earlier, he wasn’t that good honestly.
Yet he healed up to full 3 times from 10% and ultimately managed to kill me.
I basically “killed” him thrice, the OP healing just gave him 2 more lives.

And Anet nerfs RTL? RTL isn’t filling a lifebar that I know.
EA wasn’t the main culprit either.

Aside from RTL increased in CD, halving EA on water heals is not enough for you? Halving the Regen and Vigor granted via Soothing Disruption Trait not enough for you? Halving the fury and swiftness granted by Zephyrs Boon not enough for you? LOL. Just LOL

Dear god, what more do want to be gutted from eles?

Khezekiah Bellamy.5016:

because areanet doesnt want any other burst classes other than thief, mesmer, or warrior in this game, they want everyone to be rounded characters

Fixed that for you.

Eles are not meant to be played as pure Glass Cannon unles you’re really really good at kiting, evading attacks.

Glassy eles are so squishy they die when enemies merely look at them. They have the lowest base HP, wears light armor, and have no inherent defensive mechanics like Blocks, Stealth, and Clones. Cantrips have lengthy cooldowns.

Just wear PVT gears or any gear with sufficient toughness and stack as many Might as you can while fighting, which is where Eles are good at (but not better than Warriors). Sigil of Battle, Fire field combos, Fire attunement swap, etc. Might stacks is where you’ll get most of your damage. Oh, and fury on auras (trait) and attunement swap (trait) will make up for your lack of Precision/Crit chance.

Not just the TSS map, but almost any 5v5 hotjoin server I enter has frakkin duelers in it asking me to leave.

The pvp in this game is awesome.

Eles are OP with staff. They fight without weapon skills but they’re still OP. Nerf please.

Rookni.2469:

The funny thing is that those fixes (lets be honest, we were to good) to elementalist will be enough for the bandwagon to choo choo away from our class and onto the next Trap rangers, beware

Yep. Always look on the brighter side of things.

I, too, believe Trap Rangers will be the next fotm. Or thieves again.

Increase initial damage like Burning Speed blast or increase its duration.

Nerf off-hand dagger all you want, focus is still meh. But the changes are a good start. Keep them coming.

Now, make minor changes to other Lessers too!!

Flame Wall: The combat region for combo interactions has been increased.

Seriously, devs? You can do so much better at making Focus a lot more appealing, ya know. Up the initial damage on par with Burning Speed blast damage. Good god. If you gonna nerf a spec/weapon into oblivion, please do something about the other options. The fire shield improvement was a good start. Now reduce its CD pl0x. -_-

I love them!

The power of qq is powerful.

On to the next OP spec/profession my brothers-in-arms!!

Gallrvaghn.4921:

You can add these on your list:

Ride the Lightning
- Now required a target to cast.
- Range of this skill has been reduced from 1500 to 900.

Cleansing Wave on Evasive Arcana
- Reduced amount of healing to 1/2 of its original healing value.

Shocking and Frost Aura
- Reduced the aura duration to 3 seconds.

I’m being pessimistic, yeah but if tomorrow’s patch doesn’t include any of these, I will be the happiest kitten on earth.

Frost Aura: Incoming damage is reduced by 10% while under the effects of this aura. Enemies are only able to be chilled by this aura once per second. This affects all frost auras.

Evasive Arcana: The spell cast while in water attunement has been split between PvE and PvP. This spell’s effectiveness with the healing attribute has been reduced by 50% while in PvP.

Ride the Lightning: This ability’s recharge has been increased to 20 seconds

Was I right or was I right? Nerf on Frost Aura and Evasive Arcana in Water. But they did a much better fix on the Frost Aura. Anyway, goodluck d/d eles

- The door blocking access to the cabbage farm in Harathi Hinterlands should no longer block access when opened.

- Lesser air elementals now have legs and a tail.

These two changes are worth it. This is not a sarcastic post. Thank you Anet!!! <3

LordByron.8369:

but i have to use D/D OPness to do what its good for….
www map completion….

amen to that

Arheundel.6451:

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Yea, staff all the way in team setting. Awesome support and team utility.

But 1v1 with staff? No. Just no.

I only had problems with well players staff necros as the wells activate way too fast, other than that I have beaten consistently every other profession with the staff in 1 sv1, as I stated before the way to play staff is not to try to hit the enemy directly but rather force him to walk into you aoes, that’s why I can hit people with eruptio-lava font-ice spike quite easily

Yeah, perhaps Staff has a higher skill ceiling than d/d. landing those AOEs are a tad difficult with 1v1 in an open field esepcially on extremely mobile classes/specs XD

Yea, staff all the way in team setting. Awesome support and team utility.

But 1v1 with staff? No. Just no.

You can add these on your list:

Ride the Lightning
- Now required a target to cast.
- Range of this skill has been reduced from 1500 to 900.

Cleansing Wave on Evasive Arcana
- Reduced amount of healing to 1/2 of its original healing value.

Shocking and Frost Aura
- Reduced the aura duration to 3 seconds.

I’m being pessimistic, yeah but if tomorrow’s patch doesn’t include any of these, I will be the happiest kitten on earth.

Fuzzion.2504:

The ele has already received alot of nerfs. They will surely receive a lot more nerfs on tomorrow’s patch since devs hate eles and love BS thieves and 100b warriors.

Fixed that for you. I will kitten my own kitten if I’m not right on this one. Can’t wait for the patch!

Three would be enough for now as long as these three dragon encounters have some sort of variety and randomness in the time they spawn, how they spawn, and where they spawn.

Right now, it’s just:
(1) Visit dragon timer website
(2) Teleport at nearest WayPoint for active dragon event
(3) Target dragon’s foot
(4) Click auto-attack
(5) Grab popcorn and watch the 85th Oscars replay
(6) Rinse and repeat

Tyler Bearce.3427:

We field a team every Friday evening for tournaments. So if you are queued during that time, and on NA, you might just face us!

Awesome!

Now, if only we could spectate youz guyz with Spectator Mode..

They are finally realizing that the epic-fail design concepts they insisted on implementing at the beginning are just that – epic-fail. I expect more of these ‘wake up’ decisions from the devs. Two thumbs up!

Well, they had players vs devs way back in 2011 in conventions and gamescom. There should be no reason for them not to do those again. It will be fun!

Kwll.1468:

I cant believe somebody is complaining about this lol.

You can never please everybody. There will always be haters. ALWAYS. Even God has haters.

ATMAvatar.5749:

The wicked witch got put into a downed state because she cast tornado.

Tornado is such a powerful skill, even its own caster dies. OP elite. Nerf please. :O

Stievie.6128:

the thing is looking at other bunker builds their condition removal just isnt as good.
like for example look at a bunker mesmer (granted mesmers have kittening good utilitys) they have null field and the boon/condi swap on lengthy cooldowns while attunement switching and evasive arcana dodges are semi spammable.

Shatters are semi spammable too and can be traited to remove a condition.

In my opinion, the current fotm d/d ele is viewed as OP by other classes since the build specializes in survivability and defense whereas most professions are built glass-cannons. But the truth is, other professions have the capability of speccing the same fashion as this d/d ele spec and peform similarly, if not better. The problem is that most players want big numbers and when their big numbers can’t kill, they qq.

Yay! Another “Ele is OP” thread. Can I haz some thread merging nao mods, please?

Turkashi.4502:

you ever see a elementalist that wield a sword? and Gandalf is a mage, not ele

He’s a wizard.

Humposaurus.5764:

0/20/0/20/30 With the traits:
20% more damage to mobs with health < 33%
air +10% dam.
10% more damage when hp >90%
Arcane skills reduction
Evasive arcana
Vigor on critical
Full scholar set.

Arcane wave and arcane blast

It makes our damage so much better. Ofc you need to dodge roll alot to keep your hp up, but when you do: hello 16k churning earth, hello 10k dragon’s tooth, hello 13k phoenix and the chain lightning/lightning burst woooowie free 20k damage. EAT THAT 100B WARRIORS

WOW

The puzzles and rush missions on that vid look really amazing but gameplay wise, we have to wait and try it out first before saying it’s shallow. Give them a chance. XD

Let’s see how they go in a live game.

My concern is the replayability of these missions and glitches and bugs that might get exploited.

But I’m hoping for the best.

felivear.1536:

They should package each patch with a big sticker on the front saying, “Each patch comes with one FREE loading screen bug!”

LOL

purpleskies.3274:

LordByron.8369:

with your condition you can just put so many that ele can t do anything…
Also Moa…
And daze most of all, daze negates everything…….i personally saw how easy was for a condition msmer to kill D/D eles.

You steal boons and switch your conditions.

No one should ever have a problem with moa, just turn around push 5 and you are safe until it wears off. Very few mesmers that know how to play the class run with this.

And a mesmer can put on a lot of confusion to stop and elementalist but if they don’t attack confusion does 0 damage. If you wait 5 seconds or go to water all the conditions are gone and the mesmer has their burst on cool down. You can also dodge their shatters which has an extremely obvious animation. Then you attack, if you don’t burst them down before they get the cool downs up, which is where the mesmers CC helps, it will end in a draw, which is what I said happens a lot of times if there are two good players. Mesmers can not maintain large stacks of confusion, it isn’t possible and if you know how to dodge a shatter it is hard to ever get large stacks of confusion, and the little stacks a mesmer can stack can be removed easily by the d/d ele.

And you mentioned arcane theivery, that can steal a random 3 buffs and give you 3 conditions every 40 seconds. But other than might, those buffs wont help you kill any faster because the ele not having protect wont matter if you are a condition build and with might the ele can still negate the damage of confusion and shatters if you dodge. It can help a power spec, if you are lucky and steal protect but I mentioned that in my post.

Honestly a good ele should never die to a condition mesmer 1v1

I am a bit perplexed with the situation you have provided that it seems the mesmer in that fight is so bad and lame he deserves to lose in the fight rather than the ele winning indefinitely because of OPness and the mesmer can’t do anything about it.

If an ele with a stack of confusion does not attack, isn’t that in favor of the mesmer too since the ele won’t be dealing damage to the mesmer anyway? :/

If the ele decided to move into water to cleanse conditions, don’t you have any daze to at your disposal to prevent the ele from cleansing most if not all of the conditions you threw at him?

And Arcane Thievery is such a nice tool it can turn the tide of the battle when used in the right moment. The skill having 40 seconds of CD means that it is not meant to be spammed anyway knowing how powerful it can be when used right. And you didn’t mention Null Field. You can sit in the field knowing for sure the ele will lose his boons once he tried to come close and damage you since d/d eles are melee. Or Shattered Concentration trait to remove condition with shatter. Arcane Thievery isnt just your option. And don’t start arguing me about “So I have to equip specific utilities or traits just to counter one build?” Duh? Eles have evolved into the all cantrip utilities they are now because without cantrips, and not building for survivability you die in those one trick pony Bulls Charge Hundred Blades or Backstab builds. Glass Cannon eles get one shot it’s not even funny. They have no built-in survivability mechanics like stealth and/or clones.

Yeah, certain builds are required to counter other builds, and that’s good for the meta, IMO. It allows diversity in a way, rather than having homogeneous specs across all professions. The only sad thing unfortunately is other options for eles right now are so situational and limited or that this is the only build for eles right now to play competitively in the meta. They have no real options. I just wish other traits, weapons sets, and utilities of the ele gets buffed when the nerf on d/d arrives to allow for more builds to emerge.

I can go on, but I just want to point out that saying mesmer conditions builds are terrible against eles just because of the scenarios you mentioned is a weak argument. But I am not saying certain ele builds don’t need some nerfing. A certain spec of ele is far too good and becomes very OP in the hands of a good player. Any viable spec for any class can be OP in the hands of the right player, anyway.

Doomsayer.8250:

DiogoSilva.7089:

And because devs decided for the earth’s skills to be combo finishers instead of combo fields, let’s be creative here:
- Unsteady Ground would be a chained skill. If you activate it the second time, the ground would blow for a blast finisher and some damage (and launching foes to all directions? xD).

They could make it the functional opposite of Mesmer’s Temporal Curtain: Cripple when you pass through it, detonate it for an AoE knockback. Fun If Mesmers can pull me off keep walls, I want to be able to blast them off in return.

That is SO COOL! I want this change now!!! >.<

IMO conjures are very situational. I’d rather spam away with my regular attunement skills rather than using the charges in the conjured weapons. They feel so clunky to use.

But one thing I realized is that the 0/10/0/30/30 can be very flexible and it’s a strength you might want to utilize when coming up with you build.

It can go full offensive with Air VI, Water II, IV, VI, Arcana I,V,XII or build for tanking with lots of healing/condi cleanse with Air I, Water III, V, XI, Arcana V, VI, XI. The water trait line is just so perfectly designed for this flexibility. Same goes with Arcana in a way. Most if not all options in these trees are very useful in any mix you can think of.

Iavra.8510:

It has been nerfed? I truly don’t know about this, last thing i know is it being buffed to be available directly after going down.

Also, not any movement skill can escape a stomp. Thief can still be blink-stomped by guardian, thief, mesmer and ele. Mesmer can 100% escape but has to time it right so he doesn’t appear too early and must be lucky to port far enough.

It was buffed because if it hadn’t been buffed, eles will ALWAYS be a guaranteed stomp. At least it ensures that an ele will have a chance at delaying a stomp like everybody else rather than no chance at all.

Now, don’t tell me “but eles are so freakin tanky with OP healing you can’t down them instantly, blah, blah, they should be a guaranteed stomp when downed anyway, blah blah” That’s a different argument. Yea, you can never prevent vapor in downedstate. But after those 2 seconds of vapor, it’s a guaranteed stomp anyways. -_-

And can we please get back on track? There are other threads about downed states already. XD

Eles at melee can deal serious damage with an offensive spec OR be unkillable as tank but I don’t believe eles can be so good at both that they are so entitled for a qq merit like so many people have given them lately. But yeah, a certain spec of this class seems so good, others pale in comparison, which is just sad.

the guild missions blog is up. maybe there will be another one for PVP changes in the coming days before the 26th. If not, we can always rely on the patch notes come the 26th.

Patience

I think gone are the days where bots are running around in groups as rangers with bears. But yea, that somehow gave a bad reputation to rangers.

I hardly see any bots now. Mainly due to the teleport hax these bots have ingeniously come up with to avoid being reported.

jportell.2197:

So is it safe to say that instead of ruining the only viable ele trait trees we should get the other trait trees on par and make them appealing… Then maybe look at toning those currently (OP) trait trees down?

Yes. More viable builds pl0x. Fire Trait Tree is HORRIBLE. All I see there is burn here burn there. -_-

condiments.8043:

There are a couple of large flaws with your analysis of this “dichotomy” you’ve constructed of how damage dealing methods scenarios should play out.

Using the single target vs. AOE argument fails because of how easy it is to hybridize damage sources through weapon swap. Even the thief can easily sit on his shortbow for 90% of his gametime for providing safe highly sustained AOE damage with trick shot, and absurdly high AOE damage with short range cluster bombs along with choking gas for downed enemies and disabling shot for easy resets with damage avoidance. Saying a thief should win 1v1 encounters solely on the basis that one component of its damage dealing is single target is a mis-representation of the complex interactions between classes in team fights when viewed through the lens of 1v1 battle with no contextual value.

This is perhaps why dueling isn’t representative of game balance whatsoever. I could easily make non-standard thief builds and be one of the deadliest 1v1 classes in the game because of how powerful some of the stealth tools are but you wouldn’t be contributing adequately enough in a team fight. Burst specs, while not great in 1v1 fights, maximize their damage potential for priority and out of position targets.

Good thing you pointed out the weapon swap ability which basically allows any class to mix both single target and AOE skills depending on the weapon sets.

But I’m afraid the OP will regard your argument as irrelevant just like mine and other players posts. Based on the OP’s replies, he’s just clearly stating that mesmer shatters and d/d eles are OP and not AOE in general. The AOE versus single target damage design principle is just a veil to hide the qq.

Athel.2076:

Theres plenty of room at the bottom of the ocean…. Or so I’m told. (Hint: quaggans are poor at fighting back)

Nuuuuu! Please don’t hurt quaggans. Foooo you!!

NevirSayDie.6235:

I think a redesign of free tourneys is already in the works. I would be fine with paids being the only game mode playable by a 5-man team. Honestly, though, just switching frees to the same format as paids—single match with matchmaking—would go a long way to fixing the problem.

Yes to this please

Mufa.1326:

Guys, please have so much sense to understand that discussing skill coodlowns and other skill characteristics is irrelevant.

That is all encompassed in the following fact:
Shatter mesmer and d/d elementalists are mostly AOE dmg classes that are comparable or stronger than single target dmg classes/builds.

It is irrelevant how classes/builds get to that strength in 1v1, what IS relevant is that they are there.
And then what is further relevant is that they become MUCH stronger than single target dmg class/build in team fights.

That is severely bad design.

I am sorry many people just cannot follow and get lost in the details.

You are impossible man. With all the reasonable stuff and argument some of us are saying to help out improve this discussion, you just merely go back saying irrelevant this, irrelevant that.

Mods, for the love of all Risen Chickens, please close or delete this thread. It’s clearly a troll post. -_-

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Ursan.7846:

What if like, when you start a guild mission, it spawns the boss, and bystanders kill it before anyone guild-related can get there?

In this case, only guilds who currently have the mission to kill the boss will be able to initiate the event to do so. At that point any player can jump in and assist. If they earn participation, they’ll be presented with the event’s rewards. The guild members who participated in that event will receive an additional reward, which should be explain in an upcoming blog post (real soon).

Awesome

Another reason why Tornado is a pretty trash Elite. Epic suicide elite.

Mufa.1326:

Arheundel.6451:

D/D ELE AND SHATTER MESMERS HAVEN’T GOT A SINGLE TARGET SKILL COMPARABLE TO HEART SEEKERS SPAMMERS, GET YOUR FACT STRAIGHT!

Dude, it is irrelevant. Going into details of what each class has just goes off topic.

The fact is that shatter mesmer and d/d ele and s/d ele are one of the strongest, if not the strongest 1v1 classes. And then their AOE (and team abilities and healing) scales like crazy in team fights.

Do you deny that fact? Or do you think shatter mesmers and d/d eles are much weaker in 1v1 than single target classes/builds?

When you proclaim that any counter argument by anyone in your thread is irrelevant and leading them into your very leading and biased questions and opinions without supporting them in any way, then there is no way this thread is going to discuss anything meaningful.

Yes. Certain AOE skills will definitely have much higher DPS output compared to certain single-target skills when taken into account the number of potential targets an AOE can cover which is limited to 5. However, saying that other factors such as skill cooldowns and the fact that you can simply walk out of most AOEs red circles and that single target skills are generally auto-targetted and home-in like heat seeking missiles are irrelevant, will obviously win you the case. However, DPS IS NOT THE ONLY THING YOU SHOULD CONSIDER IN THE DESIGN PRINCIPLE YOU ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. Certain classes and weapon sets were designed to be AOE-centric or single-target damage focused. Certain builds and classes are weak against AOE, some are difficult to kill using single target skills because of WTF mechanics like stealth. This s a much more complicated issue than just a matter of DPS difference. I just wish Anet gets this thing right.

Arheundel.6451:

But hey why don’t you propose to change D/D ele and mesmer aoes to single target skills which of course will deal more dmg? So shall we change ele aoe to single target skills with more dmg? …oh boy I gonna back you up all the way if you suggest that

That would be awesome.

Problem is, you now can’t do anything about stealthed targets with single target skills. :O

LordByron.8369:

Henrik.7560:

…..O_____o

P.P.S: armor nerf O__o lol i read it just now…..ele will be the first class with UBERlight armor…..because light is not enough

Yeah, he thinks ele wearing light armor is unacceptable! Ele should be naked!!

Med.6150:

Let me Head Shot you a few times and tell me how you feel on that subject again.

^This.

Sigh, another indirect ele-bashing and nerf-ele QQ thread.

For the love of all the Risen Chicken struggling to cross the road, mods, please merge “Nerf Ele Threads.” -_-

There is always a ninja in every update.