Guild Wars 2

Any ele build requires high APM because of core mechanics. But if you think about it, most if not all classes have very engaging builds too that don’t rely too much on passive play, AI, or condi-spam. It’s just that these less engaging builds are the most rewarding and least punishing that’s why people prefer playing them than other builds.

Take for example necro. You can build zerker Dagger Warhorn/ Axe Dagger or any other power weapon combination other than staff and S/D. It’s harder and more fun to play IMO than the standard condispam necro but we see less of it because going condispam on a necro is waaaay more efficient at the current state of the game.

Darek.1836:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

instead of priority, could we set it ourselves what conditions we want to be removed?

how about we introduce a new gui menu.
lets call it

the “Boons & Conditions Management” menu
select what boons to strip first, you set your own priority order
1. stability
2. protection
3. …
etc.

select what conditions you want to remove first,
set your own priority order
1. immobilize
2. burning
3. poison
4. bleeding
5 …

etc

otherwise, just use a

first in, last out
last in, first out

system.

I’ve always wanted something like the first thing you said. currently condis work as the second way you mentiond, but it sucks.

It does

Excalibur.9748:

Nice pyramid, it’s very pretty and detailed.

Demonts.4593:

Eles are very strong. Very high AOE, mobility, survival… Bad eles do suffer but good ones thrive

As with other classes, bad players suffer but they don’t suffer as much if they ain’t ele. And good ones thrive. Therefore argument is invalid.

Lopez.7369:

I prefer the current system. As a necromancer, it takes a lot more skill and thought to remove stability — easily the most important boon to corrupt — because it’s last on the priority list. That’s much more interesting than simply corrupting it every single time, no questions asked.

It’s good on that scenario. But on the condi removal side of things, when a typical condispam class can unload a plethora of conditions, there also has to be some sort of priority in removing the most dangerous condi first since condition removal is not that easy to get by on most builds. Because AFAIK, condi removal works on a FIFO sort of mechanic. I honestly don’t know. But if I want to use condi removal, it’s usually because I want to remove immob, chill, a minute stack of burn or 25 stacks of bleed and not Vulnerability.

4 thieves on a 4v5. It couldn’t be worse than that.

But yeah, lately, SoloQ matches are almost always unfun because of either AFK, 4v5, or very lopsided matchups (total noobs or clueless PVE farmers being eaten alive by clearly better players). And this is regardless of being on the pwning team or the being-pwned team.

Good idea. Problem is most if not all conditions are spammed through auto attacks or hard to read animations that all look the same on a particular profession. And most of these condition stacking skills apply more than one condition most of the time so..

No.

What we need is some sort of downtime to condi-spam. A necro-engie tandem can nuke a point and will eventually apply all kinds of available condi on anyone standing there regardless of how many blocks, evades, condi clear and whatnot since condi spamming skills in addition to random procs recharge way faster than all your defensive cooldowns.

Mrbig.8019:

I see bunker/bunkerish prof everywhere, TTK is slow and th game is dominated by wars/guards/engies/necros, with the last one rising even more now that godmode soldier hambows and thieves have been nerfed.

There are a lot more necros and engies as of late. I thought it was just me.

And yeah, as for the fun part, it’s slowly going away. At this point, I really don’t know anything that can save the game. Increasing population size by attracting PVE farmers is good. But the quality of matches has gone from bad to terribad. It’s just sad.

Gorni.1764:

FrownyClown.8402:

i think im done with tpvp. literally every time my team loses i’m getting blamed for it lol.

yeah, I’m getting flamed for joining solo-Q with my ele. Can provide screens if you don’t belive me.

Yeah, the usual calls are:

“Hey ele do you mind switching to another profession?”

“We lost because we had more eles.”

Durzlla.6295:

scerevisiae.1972:

As i’ve been saying for weeks now, Elemental Attunement is a class-defining trait. A caster-only version of it should be baseline, then you can have a 20pt trait for the AOE version.

I can’t agree more with this.

I concur.

I was kidding around about the 25 skill point cost of the new healing skills when they were not out yet just based on the Toxic Spray healing skill that first came out. Then I lol’d that they did the same for the new ones.

If healing skills cost 25 skill points, how much would new Utilities and Elites cost? 50? 100?

Combat is fun for certain specs.

Mind numbingly boring for others.

You should easily figure what those are though.

oZii.2864:

That’s not a bad idea at all if alacrity aligned with element cd reduction so you could still flow with your rotations. I know Jon mentioned the thought of making alacrity reduced by 25% not sure if they are going to do that or not.

I really really wish they do add elemental CD reduction for every particular alacrity traits. Like in the lines of:

20% reduction on X element spells
10% increased attunement recharge rate on X element

Only then will I consider ever traiting them.

In team/node fights, zerker staff excel at wiping the other team so fast with just one meteor and lava font as long as heat is not on ele and he’s on a safe range WITH teammates fighting on the node.

In other cases, like 1v1, when ele is alone and is forced to fight ON the node, or a roamer is always on his tail, he’s dead meat and useless unless he’s really good at positioning and evading because zerker ele is so paperthin.

The common thing with the meta builds right now is that they can sustain, survive and fight on a point and can do well alone. Zerker staff ele don’t excel at any of those things.

Condition spammers cry a lot especially with 1v1 if DS traited. Teamfights, it’s barely noticeable or rather useless most of the time.

Other than that, I’m better off still going 30 water with the new Soothing Wave since it’s a party-wide effect. DS is pretty selfish.

Nyxion.9142:

Water have still better dmg traits than fire.

Which is really really silly. LOL

Incurafy.6329:

It’s planned that all PvP/PvE armours will be able to be taken to each other game mode, but I think that is the wrong direction to go in, personally, because it devalues the sets in PvE that are hard to obtain there at the same time as devaluing the sets in PvP that are hard to obtain here.

They should keep them separate, I don’t even know why they’re joining them.

Yes there are sets that are easier to obtain in one area or the other way around but I think they are going in the right direction here. What they should have done or should do though was/is to make PVE exclusive sets and PVP exclusive sets. That way, the essence of prestige and separation of game modes are there even if gears become universal.

That heaven sent QoL for tab targetting was so short-lived. It’s just sad..

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

And the glory exploiters just made a fortune while the honest players get screwed over. Well I know what I’ll be doing next time.

I concur.

clint.5681:

Its all the new playes attracted to the gold rewards and the new glory vendor

HURRAY FOR ESPAHTS!!

I like the changes. Yeah, arcane wave ain’t that instant because it’s ranged now but there’s an option for fast cast AOE spells. Just hover your mouse on top of your character if you’re about to faceroll all your instant skills including arcane wave. It does suck to be changed when you really liked how it worked before, but hey, at least it’s ranged now. Not everyone likes PBAOE and melee fights. XD

entropy.9613:

Balefire.7592:

magical giant.8650:

About that new necromancer heal doesnt it steal health? I mean you say that the new heal is bad and that diamond skin is overpowered why not just use your new heal steal health 1 or 2k and bam diamond skin aint taking effect.

Wasting my heal, given my profession has some of the worst sustain in the game, just to overcome your passive effect seems kind of unbalanced.

Of course any scenario where Necro doesn’t immediately melt face and have a heal left over for afterwards is ‘unbalanced’. You’re not ‘wasting’ the skill, you’re using it for effect.

Don’t expect a lot of sympathy if you have the capability to win an encounter but refuse to use the appropriate skills on principle.

But, but, but, what about build variety and play how you want to play kind of principle?

Yeah, whiners gonna whine. This trait is definitely a diamond counter and is absurdly OP in a 1v1 situation however only against a certain type of build but borderline useless in teamfights. Learn to pick fights or adapt to a well-rounded build if you want to stand a chance against all builds available out there.

Pro-tip: Don’t 1v1 a DS ele if you’re a pure condi-spam build.

Don’t get me wrong. I personally do not like this kind of approach to fix a broken condi-spam mechanic. Instead of fixing the real issue, they add yet another facepalm issue. But as it stands, DS will stay for a while, and until that nerf or change to DS comes (probably won’t), like what all eles did after the blow by blow nerfs and dhuumfire patch, try to adapt or reroll a warrior.

I wonder who now has the most amount of glory stocked up to take advantage of this moment and get buttloads of gold to shock the economy. Hm..

gesho.9468:

dunno what the point of this video. i can always make a specific two builds where one would trump the other to ground. so what?

QFT

Aridia.3042:

I’d be happy with just reflecting projectiles.

It’s pretty hard to survive using it. They should rename it kamikaze until it gets buffed.

I notice more and more afk-ers in SoloQ. Are these preparations for the incoming gold rewards regardless of win or lose?

Raven.9603:

If they wanted to make fire viable for wvw/pvp, they would turn fire aura into a solid defense mechanic.

This.

Tier 1
Guardians
Mesmers

Tier 2
Warrior
Necro
Engie
Ranger
Thief
Ele

Tier 3
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cymerdown.4103:

The very simplest thing you could do is have some sort of chime play when your match is ready (and have that sound always play, even if Guild Wars 2 isn’t the active window). The chime alone would reduce 4v5s by a good amount. Even better than that would be to have an “Are you ready?” pop up to verify that you aren’t afk when the queue pops. If you click no or don’t answer, you get removed from the queue and the others go back into queue and wait for a replacement. This is super necessary for solo q.

What he said.

I’m guilty of being afk for a few minutes into a match sometimes because I kinda got lost into my browsing some stuff or doing things IRL while waiting on a queue since queuing sometimes takes a long time. This suggestion should help alleviate AFK/4v5 issues.

Thorquist.8126:

In other words… In the future, every simple cof farmer will get hands on everything pvp will have to offer? Because they won’t be obstructed by glory anymore. Or will there be any constrain?

I hope that this will not be the case. The new rewards/progression stuff they said they aren’t ready to talk about yet might be the sort of constraint you are looking for IF the existing PVP skins (which will not be MF craftable anymore since PVP MF will be abolished as stated ) can be bought with gold.

I’m not entirely sure where we’re really heading with this since like you, I’m also worried that PVE players can just hop in on PVP and buy everything with their stack of gold once glory is removed and gold becomes the universal currency. THAT would be a total ripoff to the hardcore PVP community. However, I’m hoping that the new system they will implement can at least iron out the items and currency system we have right now:
- WvW players can buy gears with badges and gold
- PVE players can buy gears with gold and dungeon tokens
- PVP players can buy gears(skins only) with gold and glory

After changes:
- WvW players can buy gears with badges and gold
- PVE players can buy gears with gold and/or dungeon tokens
- PVP players can buy gears(skins only) with gold and ???

But with glory being abolished, what’s there to distinguish PVP players from PVE players? I get that they want to integrate PVP with the rest of the game, but with the removal of glory, what kind of system will differentiate PVP stuff from PVE stuff? The OCD in me doesn’t like the idea of PVP and PVE being too meshed together since it feels unbiased to PVP players if PVE players can easily buy PVP stuff after the changes just because they have more gold than the typical PVP player especially when there’s no glory-gold exchange that will be happening other than the temporary glory vendors which sells stuff for both glory AND gold. That’s just a bit unjustified IMO. If they are doing this to limit the buying power of skyhammer glory farmers, I think that they have to deal with them in a way that does not kitten the legit PVP players. They should have dealt with those guys with perma-ban or rollback.

dzindzinier.6138:

from engi point of view ,my new heal skill will be useless probably , 4,4k heal every 32 secs(if traited) when i can have 5 k heal every 16 secs XD with heal turret or med kit
this new heal skill would be viable if it was instant cast ,would be good for condi burst builds …

You haven’t seen ele’s new healing yet? It has no base healing value. Anet expects you to blast it on a water field for it to heal.

That was quite an entertaining read.

Krayiss.4926:

Spirit rangers ahhhhhhhhhhh

You live up to the name of the class you play: necro-ing threads.

dietzero.3514:

1200 range AoE blast finisher arcane spell, that heals you. Sounds fun.

OH. MY. GOD.

Unfortunately it doesn’t have healing values. Are they still undecided with that part?

Grevender.9235:

I play both classes and here is my 2cents:
- thief has mobility, stealth, very high single target spike and can easily reset the fight
- elementalist has nice animations

I giggled.

But it pretty much sums it up accurately though.

DiogoSilva.7089:

unless Anet decides they should have some ridiculous costs.

Like 25 skill points for a useless healing skill?

Rednik.3809:

Losing tPvP match will be more profitable than hotjoin win?
Gratz, you just created new skyhammer farm.

“LFG: Team Arena auto-lose farming. We just let ourselves die and don’t cap points. The quicker the matches end, the faster we get gold per match.”

I can see it already. >_<

Krayiss.4926:

since ele has so many skills

I lol’d at that one. If number of available skills is a warrant for being the best class, I don’t know what to say anymore.

Anyway, shocking aura on a 25sec CD may sound OP. But that 25second CD is not an automatic proc every 25 seconds. It procs when the ele is CCed. It cannot be activated by the ele at will. I can easily Magic Bullet the ele from a safe 900 range on my Mesmer and that Shocking Aura will do NOTHING to me since it only stuns melee attackers.

Avead.5760:

Although to be entirely honest..If the enemy team manages to acheive that level of teamwork to protect that paper made ele from you then it kind of deserves to have access to that pwoerfull aoe.
I think this game lacks defined roles where you have tanks ,defined supports,nukers etc and that would be very similar.I kind of hope it works but i really doubt

Pretty much this.

Nuker staff ele will basically be useless once a deeps roamer whatever even tries to chase it away since it’s usefulness is solely based on nuking a point on a far and safe range. Once that safe position is harassed, it’s a dead ele either being chased away from doing what it’s supposed to be doing or dying in less than 3 seconds. But if it is completely ignored, it will definitely bring havoc on node fights. So that’s pretty much an appropriate risk/reward kind of gameply right there.

And if OPs prediction really does come true after the patch, that’s just good news because to be honest, staff ele or heck any ele build is seeing ZERO play in it’s current state. When was the last time you ever saw a successful zerker staff ele on a competitive scene?

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

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They’re nerfing warriors on the 10th anyways, so.. yeah. Okay.

Proven.2854:

They reverted the change because it had unintended consequences in PvE. They’ll probably bring it back as an option at least once they set up the system to be able to split the functionality between PvE and PvP, if at all possible.

Bummer. That QoL was the best that’s happened to PvP and now they reverted it?

Healing Signet is the new sexy signet.

SOR was basically gutted to oblivion.

Cynz.9437:

Scarlet did it.

Why am I not surprised?

I do not like Scarlet Briar. It isn’t the hate you feel towards a villain or stuff like that when you get absorbed by a story or something. It’s just that she sucks as a villain – just plain crazy and unoriginal and always behind everything villainy just because she wants to be a villain, i.e. too shallow a character. The only thing good about her is her voice actor.

Reinassance Era type of skins. Like Granado Espada. That game even had a community contest for designing new armors and stuff. The first pic I posted was the grand prize winner of the said contest. Although their armors will greatly benefit Humans and Norn and Sylvari to an extent but might be very tough to make Charr and Asura versions.

Leo Paul.1659:

Scarlet will be revealed as the person behind Tixx’s toys rampaging.

You don’t say??

As if we haven’t had enough light armored human players running around wearing practically the same T3 set. Now we get more clones of other races running around with a reskinned version! And they’re from the gemstore! LOL

I also felt that it kinda got reverted back to prior the fixing and stuff recently. I’m not so sure though.

I run staff nuke. But I can only play with voicecomm on weekends. XD

ronpierce.2760:

Evocatus Rex.6857:

Marcos.3690:

50% reduction would be fine

150% reduction would be a start

Hopefully this is a joke, if not “Lol” and such.
Also; a 20% nerf tops would be sufficient. Any more than that and it’s completely useless AGAIN. x.X (don’t play warrior)

If every warrior always picks up healing signet amongst the other choices, then that’s silly. IMO healing and utility skills should be toned down or brought up so that the player will have some kind of tough choice to make. If this does not happen, it means the other skills are useless or the ones always picked are too good or borderline broken. Just sayin.