Guild Wars 2

Actually if you leave, you get throw back to the match, so you can only escape with alt+f4 and staying away from the game.

Usually the leavers are PvE guys who don’t even know what1s going on and wouldn’t want to come back, so a debuff is nothing for them.

sjatzkov braskav.3689:

I would stab Ventari and burn his tree together with all the peaceloving treehuggers he had gathered on that little island in the middle of nowhere surrounded by jellyfish… Just so we can be sure that Trahearne would have never been born! Sorry Sylvari lovers but you will have to suffer for his crimes.

WAIT!

I would assassinate king Doric while he was traveling to Orr! That way we would all have insanely overpowered mages in GW2.

Doric was living in Orr.

Dustfinger.9510:

Gandarel.5091:

You are clearly a charr fanboy who never played Gw1.

This topic is for the opinion of the ones playing human as a main, therefore your view doesn’t matter and you’ve got nothing to do here.

Go to the charr forum.

Oh, I can still separate charr hatred that isn’t actually based in lore from actual lore reasons, here. But I played and I still don’t hate the charr. Amazing how a player can disassociate from their old character in another game, evolve 250 lore years and have an outlook that isn’t as outdated as their old characters are in lore. It must baffle you!

Well I would like the charr now, but… I liked Ascalon better

It’s the same situaton as if in WoW they would decide to make the Horde ultimately nuke the whole Alliance, and then make peace with them, with the Alliance having only one last stand left.

It’s just something that can’t be done to a split playerbase, to make one achieve ultimate victory and then even make the war stop.

And they did it everywhere. ‘Ah, so there’s a gap between GW1 and Gw2 where we will destroy everything what Gw1 players fought for, prove their deeds wrong and their reasons false. Okay, let’s do this, they will love it!’

Prety much what happened :P We lost Ascalon, the whole Elona, battle isles, Luxons/Kurzicks and so on.

Ty guys, it’s probably gonna be CoE, Vanguard or the Dragon’s Deep

Or Slingshot. Maybe >_>

Invictorum.7643:

Rytlock Brimstone. he is poetry in motion, if poetry could stab you with a FLAMING SWORD OF DEATH!

You mean the human-made sword he looted from Ascalon?

Dustfinger.9510:

frans.8092:

Have you not played GW1? Did you see any Charr structures other then those made from sticks and hides?

Feel free to google any number of ancient cultures who weren’t nomadic and were still limited to stoneage technology. Beside which : being nomadic doesn’t mean land isn’t yours. it just means you choose to use it differently.

Neither Kryta nor Orr had ever been Charr territory, so no, it was not about ‘taking land back’. And if it is about subduing a foe who can stand against them, then that is a very good reason to annihilate them rather then try and make peace with them.

1st page, 13th post up.

You are clearly a charr fanboy who never played Gw1.

This topic is for the opinion of the ones playing human as a main, therefore your view doesn’t matter and you’ve got nothing to do here.

Go to the charr forum.

What Short Bow skin would you recommend for a thief? I’m searching for some dark, kitten stuff.

Who cares about lore, endgame, PvP and lack of promised features if we can have a freaking mini hippo, a charr plush and a quaggan backpack? That’s why we play an MMO right?

Arenanet nowadays…

Without the wiki, I wouldn’t notice my Order has an effect in later story. We just need more interaction with them, focusing more on them.

synk.6907:

Gandarel.5091:

Remember, Rurik owes us a dwarven ale!

He sure does.
I might have to go and raise my ancestor as a minion now in order for him to give me that ale, but hey.

Deal is deal.

Ascalon, (if still needed, Rurik), Tybalt, Forgal.

In this order :P

Remember, Rurik owes us a dwarven ale!

I understand that we need the Pact to fight Zhaitan, and got no problems with that. For first.

Also, I understand that making 1 path is easier than making 3, but if I join the Order of Whispers, I’d love to take part in the war against the dragons, but with tasks fitting my order. In the Pact it feels like every order abandons its methods, ways of thinking and basically we can’t see differences.

It’s an alliance between the 3, but in later expansions we should be tasked with operations fitting our order, so taking part in the fight in our own way, while other orders are taking care of other objectives.

Side note: if ther’s a way, give us back tybalt ;p

Dirame.8521:

I saw the name of a map (don’t remember the name now) I had never seen before on one of the Custom Arenas when they first came out. It was named something similar to a PvE map that already exists in the game. I wonder if this is that map.

That was Brisban Wildlands. I think that was a bug. Btw the PvE area is a jungle, while this PvP map looks like a desert, probably Elona or the Crystal Desert.

This would be a pretty cool feature that could be made interactive, like you have to collect relics, scripts, jumping puzzles and so on.

But only 10% of the playerbase cares about lore. sadly :/

Bigtony.5089:

The Ascalon destruction could be a good start, since we have a lot of information ( gw1) , the territory (Ascalon ) and the Urban fractal ( it’s the siege of Ruin i think)

If you like the Norn, like me, it could be fun to see the Norn immigration.

I think you mean the city Rin. No, that’s just a random city in that fractal, somewhere north, you can’t even see the wall.

I just don’t get it. They don’t want to take anything from their previous game, not even popular,good-working features like capes. They rather add back-banners, a fail design that is almost the same, however 99% of the playerbase loathes backbanners, but no, we can’t have capes.

Only because it was in GW1 or any other reasons?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Uh, we do have more specific ins and outs of jotun culture. It’s mostly in the blog post on them from way yonder back. They live in small tribes which are rivals to each other, and led by the strongest individual who rules through his strength with an iron fist – if he’s beaten, the victor becomes the tribal leader. It’s fairly similar to the ogre leadership, except that for ogres it’s “strongest pet” and not “strongest self.”

Not to mention that the jotun hide away their women and children from site to protect them, which is a MASSIVE downfall for becoming playable, and differneciates them from every single playable race and even minor races sans the kodan (who hide their children away, but not their women).

Just once couldn’t you agree with someone..? We both know that the last chance for the Jotun to be playable was some thousand years ago.

We know some, very very few and very very basic informations about the Jotun, but not even they do. Their last lore-keper is in Hoelbrak. They live in tribes, got no capital and no common ruler for ages.

Dustfinger.9510:

Hoelbrak is Knutts big yurt. The Wolfborn act as police but that is nothing the Jotun wouldn’t have if a-net got more specific about which particular jotun runs which particular village using which particular inner circle of his own thugs.

the only real difference between the Jotun and the Norn is that the Norn are playable so the NPC’s are named while the Jotun are far less so. But each jotun settlement is still going to have it’s own chief/leader and inner politics.

Q_Q Dust sometimes you make me cry.

Jotuns are a fallen elder race, who lost all of its own history and knowledge, most of them aren’t smarter now than the animals.

And that is the difference between the two. Like.. everything.

Narcemus.1348:

I was extremely disappointed in the fact that Zhaitan’s body was not anywhere to be found in Arah. It’s ridiculous to think that his whole body exploded on his death (without seeing that in the game itself).

He haven’t exploded, just fell down.

That area looks more like the Desolation not the Crystal Desert.

Parisalchuk.9230:

Gandarel.5091:

Parisalchuk.9230:

Django.5923:

it’s important to mention it further and further, so arenanet sees what the community wants most^^

I honestly think that arenas are a precursor to the first iteration of GvG. It would be so very easy to add a map that is based on a larger number of players (8v8) that would not be added to the tPvP map rotation. With passwords, team locking, spectators it would be very easy to set up a match vs another guild in the exact same manner as player run leagues and tournaments will be ran.

So a guild ranked 6785 would easily meet the top 3rd guild this way, because they were the ones to join your room. Not working idea.

And 8v8 would be just mindless aoe, 5v5 or 6v6 is the max that could wor i think. Maybe with different objectives that splits your team to smaller groups in the map would work with 8v8.

Did you miss the part where I stated that a new map would need to be created to facilitate 8v8 play? Also, assuming you own the arena you get to allow who joins and who doesnt… people wouldnt just ‘happen to be the ones to join’.

So you could face your friends all the time. And from where would you know the random enemy’s rating? Genious.

Parisalchuk.9230:

Django.5923:

it’s important to mention it further and further, so arenanet sees what the community wants most^^

I honestly think that arenas are a precursor to the first iteration of GvG. It would be so very easy to add a map that is based on a larger number of players (8v8) that would not be added to the tPvP map rotation. With passwords, team locking, spectators it would be very easy to set up a match vs another guild in the exact same manner as player run leagues and tournaments will be ran.

So a guild ranked 6785 would easily meet the top 3rd guild this way, because they were the ones to join your room. Not working idea.

And 8v8 would be just mindless aoe, 5v5 or 6v6 is the max that could wor i think. Maybe with different objectives that splits your team to smaller groups in the map would work with 8v8.

Parisalchuk.9230:

Do you just never read the PvP forums? People have been asking for GvG since release. With Arenas one day we may see a map that is based on an 8v8 game (assuming GvG from GW1).

I do, that’s why i was cautious with the thread title. 99% of GvG topics are just pure QQ, at least I brought some reasons to try to convince them.

Everyone has his own rating, however the best tournament players actually play together in guilds. Even in the top 1,000 few play without a random team and play even less (if they do at all) in soloque.

Usually to play GvG, you need to be in that guild, leaving your previous one, this can be the reason that this mode is really resctrincted an was avoided here, since you have to decide between friends or PvP.
But dear Arenanet, your system supports the opportunity of GvG the most in the entire market!

Since you can have 5 guilds, GW2 has a system that really supports GvG. You can have a main guild, use another for core team with friends, one for practice, and one for the PvP core of your main guild (just examples).

To avoid best players abuse the founding of new guilds just to farm newbies, make the exact same thing as in GW1, award rank points for wins only above a given rating (some new titles are needed for that).

If PvE guys have 4-5 types of guild missions, we can have 1 for PvP I guess.

Dirge.1250:

That is silly, i joined the Vigil because it was the most straight forward and fastest way to get my story line complete so i can move on
there was no indication that tell you otherwise or that says you wont be able to use certain armor light or heavy.i didnt realise that joining the vigil would restrict my access to either faction armor, im a thief which makes all the vigil gear useless for me… sigh i cbf starting all over again just for armor piece gg nomore GW2 for me unless they make it so you can change orders

Every order has 3 types of armor… light, medium (thief), and heavy too, it’s just that you wanted another one I guess.

I know what’s the root of the problem you have guys. Only 4-5 PCs told you that this choice is permanent, and that’s probably waaays tooo few for you to understand…

Aelelan.1639:

I can’t say that it’s that big of a deal. As it is a majority of esport viewers do so through streams rather than direct in-game spectating. Any match worth watching likely would be one you would be better off watching with a shoutcaster to begin with.

I don’t want to log out, search a channel and watch the match with narrating, and I can’t even decide what to watch.

In Flame and Frost, Braham eventually gets mad in front of Knut Whitebear about that “every hunter is at his own” among the norn.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

To make a nemesis that everyone in the game hates just do the following:

Step 1: create a cut scene with said nemesis.
Step 2: In said cut scene have said nemesis kill 1 baby quaggan
Step 3: After killing said baby quaggan, have the nemesis exclaim: “I Balance the classes in GW2”

Step 4: Watch as the player base attempts to disembowel the nemesis and make continuous death threats against her.

Step 5: Be a twin to Trahearne, born together from the same pod

Evan, the problem is, you want to force the founding of those communities, making already existing communities go mad and leave the game. We want to watch the top rated tournament battles, not r5 rabbits zerging in a mini wvw style hotjoin and have like 3 spectator slots.

Custom Arenas are great, but we need a real observer mode, and for tournaments.

Obsidian.1328:

Based on Lokheit’s post, it might just be that if Cantha does make an appearance at a later date, it will be a very reworked Cantha. Given NCSoft’s wishes to stay away from Asian themes and keep it “universal” as they put it, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Cantha heavily infused with non-human races. Perhaps the Tengu? I have no idea how they would do that…it seems counter to the current state of Canthan affairs.

Yeah, would be strange to see Cantha full of other races after killig off every other races 200 years ago.

captaincrash.6528:

As far as I know the old Iron legion capitol was in Ascalon until the humans moved in and kicked them out, the Black Citadel is the successor to the old capitol and the only one since. Blood Legion have theirs in their homelands, and Ash is unheard of.

Source? And Rin was that human city that was later destroyed and the charrs build their Black Citadel there.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Gandarel.5091:

@Konig, Doric was the ruler of a united tyria. To make the spirits rest needs a descendant of Doric, not necessary to be the Ascalonian line.

@Frosch, Adelbern was never a commoner, everyone knew he is a descendant of King Doric, it’s just that he wouldn’t be the next in the line.

Firstly, from The Movement of the World:

Some believe that one day, when the rightful king of Ascalon returns with one of the two flaming swords—either Adelbern’s Magdaer or his son’s, named Sohothin—the legion will abandon the city and sink at last into peaceful death.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World#Ascalon

Nothing’s ever said about Doric’s line. Just a rightful heir to Ascalon. This means the bloke that has the sword doesn’t even need to be of royal descent. Just recognized by Adelbern (I presume, since the ghosts seem to hold Adelbern’s mentality) as worthy of leading Ascalon. On the other hand, it could mean that whoever has the sword has to be of royal Ascalonian descent – thus being Queen Jennah wouldn’t matter (moreso due to Adelbern’s hatred of Krytans).

Secondly, Adelbern was indeed a commoner, even though he was a descendant of King Doric. Similar to Shiro, who was a commoner but descended from Kaineng Tah and able to prove it.

These Royalist fools oppose King Adelbern because he was not born into nobility.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Opposition_to_the_King

If he wasn’t born into nobility, there’s only commoner for him to be born into. Or lower, but I doubt he was lower than commoner.

Hier to the throne – > a person who has the right to rule over Ascalon. Since noone ever been a king of Orr, Kryta or Ascalon without being from the Doric line (not even Adelbern was considered as a hier just because he was not the next in line, not even after the rightful hier resigned, and that is a very very strict view).

The hier must be from the Doric line, not a random bloke with Adelbern’s mentality.

Ludovicus.7980:

I wonder how far Zhaitan’s influence went. We don’t know if Palawa Joko has been able to think by himself while Zhaitan has been alive. And with the fall of Zhaithan I wonder if he will be willing to help destroying something that threatens him as well: the elder dragons. I mean, he could capitalize on that threat to gain even more power but doing so could also be his undoing. If the ED destroy Tyria he will get caught in that.

Palawa Joko is an undead lord, but not a minion of a dragon. He was never influenced by Zhaitan and his army is fighting Zhaitan’s.

Tuomir.1830:

Gandarel.5091:

How do you know palawa’s intentions? Just curious.

I don’t claim to know his intentions, I predict his possible actions by examining his past ones.

Also, I feel like it should be noted that the undead servants of Palawa Joko retain their memories, self control and will to some extent, and he controls them much like a king or a commander would control an army of living.

Well, any of us can be right, but note something.

You guys base your ideas about the GW1 Joko. Back then he had to rebuild, get back the control over his army and land from nothing, and that took a while. He could make the player help him, not because he likes us or he changed, but we were the only ones pending on him.

I base my ideas on the gap between GW1 and GW2. By now he gained back the power, conquered Elona, and no longer needs help. Now, that he has an empire behind him and a large undead army, he can be who he really is.

@Konig, Doric was the ruler of a united tyria. To make the spirits rest needs a descendant of Doric, not necessary to be the Ascalonian line.

@Frosch, Adelbern was never a commoner, everyone knew he is a descendant of King Doric, it’s just that he wouldn’t be the next in the line.

How do you know palawa’s intentions? Just curious.

GW1 GvG ladder had a pretty good method for this. The inactive guild is removed from the toplist, but can keep their ratings.
If they play a game they will get back to the leaderboard with their former rating + the win/lose from the match played.

Tuomir.1830:

Phew, that was quite the read. And quite the off-topic, too! What a bargain.

Palawa Joko doesn’t want to destroy, he wants to rule. He’s no idiot, either, as stated multiple times here. Between Desolation and Tyrian lands there’s nothing but desert, branded and a big angry dragon. So, in other words, there’s nothing to rule. Directly to the north the mountains are impassable, and sea is no good either, because of DSD and Orr. There is no good way for Palawa Joko to invade Tyria in the current state of things, and he knows this. Now, since river Elon runs through Crystal Desert, it might provide farmland, but again, a big angry dragon is sitting there. If anything, he would help Pact deal with Kralkatorrik in order to claim the land for himself.

Note how Palawa Joko conquered Elona and when. Kournan army was destroyed, Sunspears fatigued from fighting it, and Vabbi had been ravaged by Margonites. Palawa Joko diverts River Elon, the lifeblood of southern Vabbi and most of inhabited Kourna, causing a massive famine where the people had no choice but to bend their knees before him. He clearly doesn’t take risks, and being a lich, he can bide his time. Sure, given enough time he might attempt to try and conquer Tyria, but not as long as Tyrian lands remain capable of defending themselves.

You and Konig probably mistook what we are sayig. We aren’t saying that Palawa will take over the world.

We are just saying that Palawa is oppressing Elona, slaughtered most of the population. At the worst case, the Pact will throw over Joko after the defeat of the dragons. The Order of Whispers is from Elona, still helping the resistance there. They are known for their political influences in each race, and if needed, I’m sure they will convince the Pact about that Joko is a threat, doesn’t matter if he really is or not.

Also, Palawa wants the Cryastal Desert and maybe Orr too, so after the defeat of Zhaitan only Kralkatorrik left who stops him from that. And the devouring of Orr would make some skirmishes with the pact, which would be another reason.

Zhaitan is dead, only pact troops and remnants of undead are waging war there. With no real forts, no real nation to devour, only two factios fighting each other, Orr can be considered as an easy prey for him.

We will have to fight Palawa and that’s for sure. Maybe not because of these reasons and events, but we will.

Konig, logic says. Logic.

Dustfinger.9510:

Gandarel.5091:

This can be taken in many meanings, you picked one, I pick two. They were fighting all over Ascalon, or mostly in the middle of it, and that land became Ascalon.

Second: you do realize that a land has more than 1 borders. lolz. It could be the most northern border of Ascalon, so the Forgotten atually controlled all of the territory.

So you are now saying that it may not even mean what you said it did mean. LOL. I agree with this. Like I said, no matter how you slice it, the charr were on ascalon as long or longer than humanity was. So, neither has more right than the other because they are even. Nice try though.

Got a point there. Charrs got no more rights than humans. Still the game is forcing us to support charrs, even as humans, destroy remnants of Ascalon, even kill the ghosts, bomb their statues and so on.

And if I disagree I am the badguy and considered a separatist. This is a twist after Gw1 that many can’t swallow and was a trerrible idea for the moral.

Even in fractals we kill the Ascalonians, as Flame Legion! We can’t even be against the Flame legion if the other choice would be the Ascalonian side.

I don’t think they got a capital city. They are skirmishers, prefering fighting alone.

Also i see no chances to be a playable race, since they must be able to play as all of the professions. They oly wield swords and spears, so…

And they are a very very new race to the lore. Even the sylvari was hinted in GW1. No largos anywhere before GW2 release.

They (mostly) also avoid any connection with other races.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Gandarel.5091:

Tyria won’t let Palawa rule over Elona.

Funny, because they kind of did for 90 years, until they simply didn’t have a say in the matter anymore thanks to Zhaitan.

Because Kryta alone couldn’t defeat Joko, but 5 races united got some chances.

And Arenanet simply didn’t want to write off an expansion

Dustfinger.9510:

Gandarel.5091:

Charrs don’t vene consider humans a threat. They think they are weaklings and just having fun killing the ‘easy prey’.

Stop with this ecology of the charr bullkitten. That is a fully post-made thing and is only the oponion of the charrs, not always the reality.

About the forgotten:
They originally resided all over Tyria. At an unknown time before 100 BE, the Forgotten were at war with the Charr on the border of what would become Ascalon
They lost the war and had to give up Ascalon.

“Stop quoting A-Net because it’s destroying my arguement” is what you just said. Like it or not, GW2 lore is still lore. A-Net specifically sais: “and the Charr soon faced the true challenge to their dominance–the threat of humanity.” But even if it is written from the charr perspective the humans were the first ones to beat the charr back like that. That is a proven threat no matter who looks at it.

Konig already showed you how you can’t take that line about the forgotten at face value. They were all over the world. that doesn’t have to mean they were on every inch as Konig already explained to you in another thread. “On the borders of what would become Ascalon”. ……….. Isn’t Ascalon. it’s the borders of Ascalon. And you still failed to address that if they were in Ascalon, your own time line gives them up to a full century to wage a war and still be in Ascalon as long as humanity. No matter how you look at it, you don’t have a leg to stand on here.

edit: if the ecology is written from the perspective of the charr, then they DO consider humanity a threat. If it is written from an outside perspective then it can’t be dismissed as just “charr opinion”.

“On the borders of what would become Ascalon”
This can be taken in many meanings, you picked one, I pick two. They were fighting all over Ascalon, or mostly in the middle of it, and that land became Ascalon.

Second: you do realize that a land has more than 1 borders. lolz. It could be the most northern border of Ascalon, so the Forgotten atually controlled all of the territory.

Konig. Once in a while admit it you are wrong.

Ofc Palawa changed and is a god ruler and no threat to anyone and is playing with rabbits and butterflies in his Bone Palace.

Then why did he kitten a river to bring drought to a whole continet, enslaving the people and anyone who can do flees Elona?

Tyria won’t let Palawa rule over Elona.

Dustfinger.9510:

Dream Runner.8546:

lolwut? The Charr attacked the three major human civilizations, one went into the ocean, another got nuked into the ground, and the last one was only saved because of the White Mantle. The Charr wanted to get rid of the humans all together.

yeah. that too. they either kill or dominate their threats. Humans were the biggest threat in their history. It would make sense.

edit: Just realized what you are implying but killing is subdueing.

Charrs don’t vene consider humans a threat. They think they are weaklings and just having fun killing the ‘easy prey’.

Stop with this ecology of the charr bullkitten. That is a fully post-made thing and is only the oponion of the charrs, not always the reality.

About the forgotten:
They originally resided all over Tyria. At an unknown time before 100 BE, the Forgotten were at war with the Charr on the border of what would become Ascalon
They lost the war and had to give up Ascalon.

Konig, don’tforgot the Forgottens were in Ascalon too. Dwarves + Forgottens means that the charr were a really temporary inhabitants there (maybe it’s just me).

Solved, thank you

We won the match at the moment the servers crashed, and now we can’t leave the match or the map.

It’s our 2nd hour.

They did not move in to human houses, but catacombs and altars, like the Flame Temple near Grendich Courthouse and the Cathedral of Flames, which was of human origin, even had a Balthazar statue.

And show me one metal structure from GW1 if I may ask..

Narcemus.1348:

For all we know the charr could possibly outnumber humanity. Remember they have the Blood Legion Homelands up north of Ascalon, and if I remember right they have lands east of the blazeridge steppes as well. It’s speculation, but I would say Charr and Humanity are close ties for first.

Charrs only inhabit Ascalon at the moment I think. If they would still have some ground in the Blazeridge or the Blood legion homelands, i think we would know and Ascalon woudn’t be filled with the members and leadersof all the legions. Besiedes, Blood legion homelands is cut off by the Flame legion and the Blazeridge is full of ogres atm.