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I actually think condi engi is one of the stronger builds in the game. All the time you spend shrunken, blocking, or invis you’re still doing great damage.
Edit: but yes, ele is better obviously. It’s the best class in the game right now so comparing yourself is pointless.
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I’ve been playing S/F ele in sPvP with the Fresh Air trait and noticed a few problems. I’d first like to say that it’s actually quite a weak build in the current meta. Damage is mostly low other then landing fire skills which is where the main problems come in. Fire 2, I get it, wait then big damage. The problem is that this is practically the only skill available most of the time. Fire 3 has too big a cooldown, Fire 4 is useless for power builds other than might and keeping someone from self rezzing, and Fire 5 is whatever. The cast times in fire are also ridiculously high making Signet of Restoration less effective. Air skills actually all seem very good. Water 2 isn’t reliable enough for the main damage source in water. Water 3 has too long a cooldown. Water 4 and 5 are good. Earth is also fine except for Earth 2. I’m just not a fan of how it functions though what it does it does well. Anyways, I’ve barely played anything out of d/d, air, water, arcana, triple cantrip and was wondering how people feel this set is. I’ve been having fun with it and the super speed is cool though not as useful as someone would think as it doesn’t effect strafing speed which is what you should be doing most of the time.
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Good old observer mode. Recently logged in GW1 and saw it. Dozens of guilds still playing hourly.
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I get that some people might think Revs are fine with the skills they have, but why the vitriol? Is it really so bad that other people think the Rev needs some customization?
This is the definition of the internet (edit: the world). People love to senselessly argue without logic or reasoning. There is no point responding sometimes.
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Condi damage is connected to a precision trait line meaning you would need to take precision to really max out your condi damage.
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Limit FoV back to default when using siege and try to prevent an annoying auto zoom that would come of this change. Done.
Also, stop moving my camera to face where the siege is facing. That’s so annoying, Anet.
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Can swiftness and super speed effect all directional movement besides just forwards? Or at the very least just strafing. k thx
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Griffith, your desperation to dispute this suggestion is disturbing. There is literally not a single valid argument you can make. Adding more utilities for each legend is in every single possible way, a good thing for the class.
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There is literally a hundred threads on this topic. CAN WE PLEASE stay on one thread to improve the appearance of concern for this issue?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/8-Missing-Skills/first#post5373007
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Only-4-skill-types-in-the-core-profession
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You guys can say that the Rev lacks the same amount of customization as other classes ,but its equally traded for more versatility in combat. I don’t see any other classes getting 2 heal skills , 6 utilities , and 2 elites accessible in combat.
It seems no one understands the concept of a trade-off anymore. You guys will whine so much they will give you extra utilities even though they aren’t needed then will start asking for access to 3 Legends at once. It’s clear you guys just want Revs to be the be all end all of all the classes.
You’re kidding right? Revenants have two sets of utilities because that’s their class mechanic. Do Revenants have steal, pets, burst skills, virtues, death shoud, shatters, or tool kits? No, they have legend stances. That doesn’t mean they should be handicapped of options.
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Why are people bringing balance and viability of the skills into question? That’s something that can and should be changed by Anet. Regardless it has nothing to do with the fact that those classes still have options and customization.
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Even if it did deserve a nerf, this was absurdly overdone. 83% less stability duration, 100% longer cooldown, and a more sane 20% energy cost increase.
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and no, I’m currently not liking Revenant’s design so much right now. The whole class and all it’s builds are practically already posted on metabattle with how simplistic it is. I like to get creative and try new things with every class I play and Revenant seems immune to such things.
“Don’t play it.”
I’d rather help the developers create a more fun and interesting class then hide and let it be released with clueless people like you backing it in it’s dull and incomplete form. I’m paying for a new class just as much as the next guy.
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I personally don’t even care if they release Revenant with as many skills as it has now as long as they are willing to add some new utility skills in later. I understand they have severe time constraints, however, it doesn’t seem like it ever crossed their minds to add more skills for the Revenant pre or post HoT release which is the problem.
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Regardless of the elite spec, the class should feel just as complete as the other 8 professions have for 3 years. Bringing in a new class with elite specs already in mind is no excuse for it to feel lifeless pre-elite spec.
If we were to turn a guardian into a revenant, we would throw away their virtues and give them stances. A meditation stance, a shouts stance, etc. Are guardians locked into just 3 meditations or just 3 shouts? No, they have options to customize their stances and the same privilege should be granted to revenants. I haven’t even watched the glint stuff yet but that shouldn’t matter. What we have now should be complete.
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Honestly, they don’t even need to bother with more heals or elites but more utilities is a must. This class practically builds itself at this point. Everything is so overly defined, there is no room for creativity.
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Nice to see the majority of feedback and suggestions made it through. There are two issues you’re likely to have complaints about though…
1) The blast and end damage on Death’s Charge is too high for it’s cd and mechanic; at least from a PvP perspective
2) Chilled To The Bone is now almost as quick a cast as Jade Wind, has double the damage, and has in general more utility. I guess the long CD offsets some of that but I do feel the changes to this were in the wrong direction.
1) It’s literally their only movement skill.
2) Revenants can use two elites…
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I’m not sure how I feel about the Death’s Charge change specifically since we can’t test it. We have no control over the area we want to hit and we can’t make predictions on where the enemy will be so it has a better chance of hitting. I think I would have preferred it just get a 3/4 cast time like Burning Speed instead of it’s current 1 second.
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I’m not a fan of the Jalis changes. Why are the legends becoming so much more niche? Like Jalis will in no circumstances ever be used for damage now. Players are going to camp on a their desired stances even more now cause each legend is only capable of doing one thing. Ventari was already in this position and now Jalis is right there with him. This is horrible for the class.
I’m not seeing it.
If damage is really all your concerned about you’re probably going to be alternating Mallyx and Shiro on CD for maximum up-time on their upkeep skills.
Nothing is stopping you from using other legends, but… if your goal is as one-dimensional as “Max DPS” there is generally going to be one single best solution.
That’s exactly the probelm. The build just makes itself. I can never hope to take Jalis or Ventari and expect to put out nearly as much DPS. I am forced into something and that’s the death of this class for me. Hopefully Druid won’t be as brain dead.
Nope it will be cause just like every other class in this game and every class in every MMO on the market there is an optimal build for w/e content you are doing and its only one link away (metabattle.com). Perhaps you should try League of Legends were build diversity goes a long way.
Unlike the Revenant every other profession has multiple useful builds for different aspects of the game. Yes, there is a meta but that doesn’t mean there are 2 or 3 other builds that can compete. In the case of Revenant, there will only be a meta build because everything about the class is so overly defined. There is no secret combination that can produce similar results. It’s all out there for the player to simply use rather than create. This will probably be the most boring class I’ve ever play, in any game.
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I’m not a fan of the Jalis changes. Why are the legends becoming so much more niche? Like Jalis will in no circumstances ever be used for damage now. Players are going to camp on a their desired stances even more now cause each legend is only capable of doing one thing. Ventari was already in this position and now Jalis is right there with him. This is horrible for the class.
I’m not seeing it.
If damage is really all your concerned about you’re probably going to be alternating Mallyx and Shiro on CD for maximum up-time on their upkeep skills.
Nothing is stopping you from using other legends, but… if your goal is as one-dimensional as “Max DPS” there is generally going to be one single best solution.
That’s exactly the probelm. The build just makes itself. I can never hope to take Jalis or Ventari and expect to put out nearly as much DPS. I am forced into something and that’s the death of this class for me. Hopefully Druid won’t be as brain dead.
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The forethought and diversity between builds was already so minuscule. I really don’t understand what they’re thinking this profession’s suppose to turn into. I can’t say I give a crap about Revenant anymore. The builds just create themselves and the play styles it forces are boring and thoughtless.
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I’m not a fan of the Jalis changes. Why are the legends becoming so much more niche? Like Jalis will in no circumstances ever be used for damage now. Players are going to camp on a their desired stances even more now cause each legend is only capable of doing one thing. Ventari was already in this position and now Jalis is right there with him. This is horrible for the class.
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Tengu, tengu story, tengu leveling zones, tengu city.
It can’t be said enough… I still want tengu. I don’t care how little content it adds to the game. This is by far the most exciting thing they could add for me.
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In my opinion, Dire gear is really the only thing that makes conditions feel very strong in smaller-scale fights as it’s harder to counter-pressure something that does potentially it’s max damage for how tanky it is unlike in sPvP where Dire doesn’t exist. I think it’s mainly just low-risk/high-reward using conditions with these circumstances in WvW, which is the problem with a lot of builds in this game. I do like the idea of removing the -/+% condition foods from WvW that others have mentioned.
Burning is a bit strong at the moment as everybody knows, other than that I don’t think damaging conditions are too bad if you have an idea of what you’re doing.
There’s a reason Anet stuck the condi traitlines with crit procs. Condi builds sacrifice a lot not going into crit chance on any class.
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I don’t understand why Anet is trying to force people on to servers they don’t want to go on. The negative of being on a full server is massive queue times. This is something that THE PLAYERS SHOULD DICTATE whether or not they want to deal with, NOT ANET.
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I have a feeling Anet doesn’t want anyone to join T1 so they all spread out to other tiers. Then when T1 dies because they can’t recruit any new guilds or players simply can’t even get their friends on their server, all the dedicated WvW players will get kittened off and quit GW2. Subsequently WvW dies on all servers because Anet thought there was enough players interested to spread out between all servers… but there’s not.
So the answer to your question, SmokeyFrag, is when WvW dies.
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Players specced for zerging die to players specced for ganking and then they wonder why they die so fast?
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Please give one of the shouts resistance. Kind of sad that the elite replaced it with stability but there’s no reason it can’t be on a utility shout. It’s extremely useful not so much for the damage condis but the soft cc. There’s a trait to help with soft cc but alternatives are always nice.
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@OP
Only going to comment on things I disagree with.
- I like Death’s Charge as is. It’s a small dashing skill and I don’t think it needs to be encumbered with targeting mechanics. Especially if a player doesn’t have range limited in the options menu, this skill is going to be godly annoying to use for max distance.
- Greatsword AA, I agree it should be changed but I would like if it was different from the guardian hammer. Maybe the last attack in the chain can hit 2 or 3 separate times in its swing animation, applying chill with each one.
- No reason the damage on "Nothing can save you" couldn’t be higher, along with all shouts for that matter.
Just going to throw in that I feel resistance should be somewhere on a shout for the Reaper. It’s so crucial to be able to fight through soft cc and we only have one trait that can help with it.
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Making anything F2P gives the appearance of desperation. That the game is dieing. There is no need.
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… Because when someone entered the PvP lobby, they hardly saw anyone and ended up thinking PvP was dead. It also gets all the PvPers together to answer all the noobs questions.
There’s your answer.
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I would like if Ventari had a skill or two that would effect enemies. Such as an AoE pull toward the tablet. Like the tablet was trying to convert its enemies to be good or something, just incase people wanted it to fit some lore reasoning or something.
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… Guardians have more than 3 meditations to choose from. They have more than 3 shouts to choose from and they have more than 3 concentrations. Don’t be naive. It’s only fair that Revenants be given that same courtesy.
If your guardian was stuck with skills like Merciful Intervention or Sanctuary how happy would you be?
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Need more movement speed. I’m not asking for elementalist level, just something.
Staff 4 – radius too small, pathetic heal, long cast time, could use the “Staggering Blow” treatment.
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I want to have an emergency escape option where they are temporarily invulnerable but can’t do anything other than move around—similar to mist form and elixir s. Of course, there’s no cooldown on revenant utilities so perhaps the energy cost could be in the upper 50s-60s.
Also, more utilities to fill in the utility difference between the revenant and the other eight classes would be nice.
This is a common misconception. People are constantly making an argument that Revenant should be the opposite of thieves, aka, cooldown only on weapon skills and energy only on utilities, though some Revenant utilities DO have cooldowns. Both skill types already use both resources.
Edit: On that note, let’s be honest, Anet. Is 4 seconds taunt on one person or 2 seconds taunt on two people simultaneously such a sin?
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I can draw a diagram explaining it if you’d like but it’s my bedtime and stuff so you’d have to wait.
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Broseph… If you want to stay in Ventari, then ease up on the energy consumption. It’s as simple as that. Because weapon skills have an energy cost to them, their cooldowns are permitted to be extremely low. Take away that energy cost and you force the weapon cooldowns to rise. Now, what you’re asking for is to basically use skills before the cooldown is up. No bueno. Just stop being selfish with your energy and it’s all good. Aight?
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I think the energy problems people are having is basically because of too much mashing. Over item people will learn to conserve their energy or burst it when they feel it’s safe too. What’s good about it is that it allows for both types of play. Burst or sustain.
Another thing is that I don’t think people are swapping legends enough. It’s a free 50 energy people aren’t utilizing.
Then again, it’s Anets job to make each stance somewhat appealing, and more utilities for each legend would help with that. :P
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Completely disagree with option one. It literally removes all uniqueness of the Revenant. As for option two, however, I think it would be a crime if they didn’t do it.
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When I first saw Death Spiral it looked like the player was really thrusting the greatsword…
Increase Death Spiral range, please.
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Like every other class have 4 utilitys of a type. So should the Revenant for each Legend imo. It might not happen before HoT since Revenant its pretty much complete (Elite spec this week, and then we know everything about Revenant)
Some day after HoT I would like to see one more skill for each Legend.
Definitely. As long as it’s on the table, I’m fine with it not being available till after HoT releases.
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OMG, Kidel. Get a clue. You keep thinking the wrong thing in every thread. Whenever people ask for more utilities they mean that each legend has their own set of 5 utilities locked for that legend only. Nobody wants universal utilities available for every legend. That would completely defeat the purpose of Revenant.
When in demon stance, for example, you have a choice of 5 utilities to use instead of the forced 3 they have now. None of those utilities will be available to any other stance. Instead, those other stances will also have their own set of 5 utilities to choose from.
This is the best thing that could happen for Revenant.
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General: Give Rev in each legend 5 utilitys to choose from….so it’s in line with other professions (20 Skills) ans theres more variability in the builds.
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Like honestly, this is the most important thing for Revenant right now and I’m surprised this topic isn’t getting the attention it deserves. I wrote the same thing a couple days ago and nobody expressed any interest. I honestly don’t get it.
Edit: for clarification I mean 4 or 5 separate utilities for each legend (since there is another idea of universal utilities that I disagree with).
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There is literally not a single reason why each legend shouldn’t be able to have more than just three utility skills. I agree 100% with the fact that they should have more. It’d add so much more depth to the class. Why should Revenants be stuck with skills they don’t even want to use? I played a carrion, demon/dwarf Revenant. I loved it except for Vengeful Hammers. In my build it wasn’t the most spectacular skill so I rarely used it.
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They still haven’t fixed how the orb is suppose to slow down movement skills since that specialization patch where they changed it so movement skills weren’t effected by chill/cripple.
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As I see it, there is just very little reason for a player not to take Chronomancer. It essentially takes Mesmer and adds a very very useful extra mechanic. I thought this change would not just add to what Mesmers already have but change how they feel and how they play like the other elite specializations. Mesmer and Chronomancer could play like two separate classes rather than Chronomancer simply feeling like an upgraded Mesmer. As I’ve said earlier, this change could even warrant buffs to CS making it more reliable and useful for defensive play.
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@apharma,
Replacing Distortion with CS could warrant buffs to CS and also allow CS to play a more vital role in Chronomancers gameplay. It would give Chronomancers a more unique feel from Mesmers. At least more so than now.
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I know they said it, but i don’t think it should be this way. F5 is something you get for free, no matter what build you are playing. They should instead make the new wells more powerful and give a reason to take them over Blink/Decoy.
You do have to give up something: an entire trait line. Do you think all Mesmers get Chronomancer as a free fourth trait line or something? There is opportunity cost to it.
This is true of all elite specializations so Chronomancer would need to sacrifice more in order to equate themselves to Reapers or Dragonhunters.
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