Guild Wars 2

apharma.3741:

Um which other elites remove something for their elite?

As far as I know the others have their class mechanics change (guard virtues, necro DS) but the basic functionality stays the same. Additionally guards keep the passive bonuses and the activated effects can become much stronger or at least stay the same depending on situation.

Tempest also gets overcharge added. Sadly I wasn’t in the beta so never got to test it. I know it’s bad at the moment but it could end up really good eventually. All added nothing taken away there and it’s arguably the strongest class atm.

So…why are you advocating taking away?

Necromancer has had their original shroud removed in place of the Reaper Shroud. Guardians have had their original virtues “removed” (reworked) for the new virtues. Elementalist, although I haven’t played Tempest yet, has a “lockout” after they have overcharged. Chronomancer is the only elite specialization that has absolutely no downside to their profession mechanic, only gains. Unless you count Continuum Shift “stealing” clones from the other shatter skills which I wouldn’t.

Esplen.3940:

Iavra.8510:

Using the number of new weapon skills as an argument makes actually no sense at all, since you are not losing your old weapons which are perfectly fine. In case of reaper, the GS is even entirely useless and might as well not exist.

It kind of does make sense, because you can only equip the weapon if you equip the elite spec.

I was actually not aware of this and now that I know about it, I don’t think I agree with it. However, if these new weapons are suppose to be of the same power as other weapons for that class then it shouldn’t be relevant, i.e, Mesmers shield is equivalent in power to a pistol and Necros greatsword is equivalent in power to a staff. Having these new weapons doesn’t increase the power thus meaning that the new mechanics added must have a downside placed somewhere else. If it is true that the new weapons are part of that downside then this would mean that the new weapons each profession gets is indeed suppose to be stronger than the base weapons for that class. This would be horrible if true, so I’ll assume it’s not, which leads me to believe it’s not relevant and that the downsides of each professions elite specialization relies on a combination of the new traitline and the new mechanics themselves.

In the case of the Chronomancer, their mechanics are only boosted meaning that the entirety of the downside is placed on the traitline. I was suggesting that some of the downside be placed on the profession mechanic, i.e, replacing Distortion with Continuum Shift. For balance sake as well as it just making more sense for the class.

Yeah, balance is second to fundamentals. Numbers can always be changed.

Most importantly it would solve the UI issue. :P

Unlike the other elite specializations which have to remove something in order to gain their new mechanic, Chronomancers simply add a new mechanic ontop of everything they already have leaving their weakness to be placed on the traitline that provides it. I think it would be nice if some of that weakness was instead placed on the removal of Distortion. CS would be a good enough replacement for it in my opinion.

It would relieve some of the pressure off the elite specialization traitline having to be very weak in order to compensate for Continuum Split.

Bugs out almost 100% of the time when I’m downed on my revenant. They get the stomp as if they were never slowed though their animation shows otherwise. So annoying.

Blackarps.1974:

I think Rytlock being a Charr and Revenant is very cool so I made one. I wasn’t fond of the animations though. I think I’ll just stick with humans as I mostly have in the past. I’m going to make a few tonight though and see if any of the others have animations I like. So yeah, its mostly about animations for me but if it was lore related, Charr or Sylvari for sure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3gbl7x/video_of_revenant_skill_animations_on_all/

I actually think there’s still a major issue with clarity when spectator. As someone who’s played GW2 since launch, it can be difficult to know exactly what’s going on at all times and this is probably the biggest obstical GW2 faces from becoming a better esport. I can’t even imagine how bewildered a completely new player would find these matches. Very little enjoyment can be obtained when the player can’t discern any information just from watching. In all honesty, even reading player name tags was a chore.

Other than that, and China not really bringing anything to the table, the whole event was pretty awesome.

Also, Unyielding Anguish is AMAZING. Complete counter to shadow refuge. It even knocks out the downed and can single-handedly ensure a decap.

After having tried only one Revenant build so far (carrion – demon/dwarf – staff, mace/axe) I noticed a few things. Though I only tried one build I found it quite successful, able to win 1v1s without too much difficulty and also able to put a lot of pressure in 2v1 situations so I thought what I gathered would still be relevant.

1) Pain Absorption cost a bit too much energy. Couldn’t justify using it many times especially when traiting for resistance on all demon skills.
2) Rite of the Great Dwaf is just all around terrible.
3) Renewing Wave on staff is not strong enough to justify both a root and 1 second cast time. Skill 2 on staff could also be more interesting imo.
4) For the love of god let me get some movement speed.

But he wasn’t winning 1v1s vs eles. He either died or had help. I think at one point in the finals he died to the same ele twice in a row.

Toker really is MVP. He did everything every other thief was suppose to do and he did it amazingly well. Decaps, rezzing, plus ones, and he barely ever died.

“hate”, what a lovely take on my comment…

Anyways, they clearly didn’t have a solid enough idea for Revenant. That’s all I’m saying. Major, fundemental gameplay mechanics are still up in the air.

I honestly dislike how much of a hand the community has in the creation of the Revenant. It just proves that Anet wasn’t able to do an adequate job on their own and that’s disheartening.

Kidel.2057:

yet it’s vital for Revenant and no better solution has been provided.

More utilities for each legend. There’s literally not a single reason why there can’t be more than 3. It gives more depth and customization for each legend.

Operator.6523:

Weapon swapping feels like an afterthought

It was a neverthought.

The problem was that each weapon set was designed as a standalone. They honestly need to be reworked a bit to be more effective at certain roles.

I don’t think it’s asking much to give each legend and extra 1, 2, or even 3 utility skills. I think it’d add a lot more depth to the class. The first time I clicked the arrows to select utilities and only saw three for the purpose of moving them around I couldn’t help but feel there was so much missed potential there.

@Gabriell

First of all, why do so many people seem to think that condi damage is unavoidable? When talking about mitigating condi damage, the only option people seem to see is condi removal when some of the same tools used to prevent direct damage can also be used to prevent condi damage (invuln/dodge).

Second. In what world do you think you have full control over which attacks hit you and which don’t? Condi or not.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

As I always like to say when on the subject of conditions and whining; People just hate condition builds because they get to think about it before the conditions kill them.

Lol

Don’t bring WvW into this. Condis are a mess in WvW simply ‘cause of the condi duration food. To put it simply, if the opposing player doesn’t have the counter condi duration food then they’re dead. It boggles my mind people don’t get that yet. Regardless, this is about sPvP.

@nearlight, I don’t see how there’s a problem with condi burst. Just how there’s direct damage burst such as how a thief or mesmer would play or sustain damage how a ranger would play, the same should be allowed for condi damage. Every class in the game has the ability to handle condi burst. It’s just that players are more compelled to cry about it than to do anything about it. I honestly feel most of the hate toward condi burst stems from people not knowing how it happens, and not because it wasn’t well telegraphed but because it’s so uncommon to go up against these builds. People have no idea how any of the main damage sources get applied. And yes, there are main damage sources. It doesn’t just get applied from any action. I have even noticed that when I go up against some of the same people I’ve played against before, they end up adapting and doing much better than when we had first fought.

Calm your hormones, Aeryn. :P

But seriously, where are the pics?

There are captains?

What is this sick idea everyone has that if you die to condis then that class is either overpowered or ridiculous or aids or tumors or stds or did nothing or skill less? I’ve literally heard all of these and more. No matter what class it is, if it’s condi and it killed you it’s “aids”.

Then there’s other ignorant ideas that go around such as, “how am I suppose to cleanse all of these condis?” Or, “why can’t my class cleanse everything like others?” Can you or can you not “cleanse” all direct damage you take?

People forget there are two kinds of damage in this game. Just because one is much less popular than the other doesn’t mean it’s any less fair and viable.

PS. I would like nothing more than to have condis be as popular as direct damage but with things like diamond skin, necro’s ridiculous transfer rates, structures taking no condi damage, and people screaming “aids”, it’s never going to happen.

I disagree with the existence of this thread but while we’re on the topic, condition classes should be able to do damage to structures such as the gates. I feel like condi damage and direct damage should be completely interchangeable and useful in all aspects of the game and it’s stupid how direct damage just outclasses condi damage in many aspects of the game.

The hardest class in the game to play has always been and will always be engineer. Engineer are 100% about combos and ontop of that, their combos aren’t as obvious as other professions. It’s very easy for them to miss a skill in the combo leaving the player to come up with a new one on the spot. To add to this, their kits have no cooldowns unlike elementalists attunments. Because of that the player has to be even more aware of cooldowns in each kit. For elementalists, you can basically expect everything in an attunment to be ready once the attunment is off cooldown.

Most faceroll class is ele.

I hope this isn’t an attempt to spread WvW players out between all servers. There aren’t enough players interested in WvW to have them spread out. It’d end up only killing the servers that have already aquired all the players interested in WvW.

I agree with all that ladders/seasons crap but honestly, if Anet were to start putting the same number of premades on both teams what would the difference be between that and solo queue? Both teams are equivilant in premades and pugs and it would feel equivalent to a solo queue match. It would make matches more balanced while keeping the queues short.

Necro shouldn’t even be in this conversation, Dirame.

If you think the pvp community is big enough to split with solo que then you’re crazy. The team and solo queues would surpass even 30 min.

Cele necro hard counters anyone who even dares touch condi damage stats so there’s a problem in that of itself.

For gods sake…

No. It’d end up being an endless counter build senario. Every two seconds you look at the opposite teams build to see if anything changes, then out of paranoia everyone changes at the 2 second mark cause none will have time to counter it.

Are you talking about someone in particular? Who complains about hybrid Mesmer…

If it was intended to be so reliant on kill shot than it should at least have some better utility or adrenaline gaining skills. Which would make it very fun actually.

It needs to be a good weapon with or without its burst skill like every other weapon. People probably don’t even realize it but the only thing you think about when using rifle is that you hope kill shot crits/hits ‘cause that’s the only time it’s useful.

Kicker.8203:

An indirect buff they got was the removal of counterplay against confusion. Should be split for pvp. Anyway condi thieves need more condi traits honestly. There R too few

There is still counterplay it’s just that now the counterplay doesn’t remove 100% of the damage. I personally love how confusion works now. Like torment but with a different trigger.

Agent Noun.7350:

The problem with Mesmers is that we’re not just “not meta” without reflects—we simply don’t offer anything valuable without reflects that another profession can’t do better meta.

That’s literally what you just said.

I love how you all pretend you’re entering some sort of fractals esports tournament that’s going to be live streamed on twitch with 200,000 viewers. “My class isn’t meta without its reflects. How am I going to win the $0 prize money, Anet?”

Okay, I’m going to alt-tab back to GW1 now where a player had to actually think. You kids stay mindless ya-hear.

Yeah, and the new ‘prestigious’ golden fractal weapons are actually insulting. An ugly re-color with sparkles? … Eww. Have some class, Anet. I’m not a skritt.

Such cluelessness is a prime example of why Anet’s probably never going to read this thread. These forums are riddled with diseased comments like yours.

Edit: To be honest, that first part about blast finishers is actually a good idea for an instability. The second part is where your disease kicked in.

Is even that too long to please the casuals? Kind of weird to cut the runs by 75% in the name of accessibility.

It’s a smart instability and forces you to play a different way which is exactly why it’s so good. Just about every aspect of this game can be completed with ease using a single build and that’s the main problem with it in my opinion. There is no thinking and I’m glad anet’s trying to change that.

As for class balance, that’s a different topic. Stop blaming the wrong things.

There was never a problem with acrobatics. It was a strong build but even still not as strong as shadow arts. The nerf was unnecessary and now the risk thieves have to go through far outweighs the rewards. Acrobatics is weak and not worth the investment.

I want this ^ so bad but it’s been 3 years and if Anet hasn’t realized it by now then I don’t think it’ll ever happen. The pets in this game function as they did in GW1. Just copies of creatures from PvE and that just doesn’t cut it for a game so vastly dependent on reactions and movement. Not to mention the creatures in this game are complete pushovers compared to GW1.

I like how tempest stole feline grace from thieves and signet of inspiration from mesmers… brilliant.

Anyways, I’ve said this before, vigor alone is not enough to keep a thief alive. They need the old feline grace especially in sword/dagger builds which was more dependent on sustain. Thieves had two forms of defense, blind spam/invis and evade/dodging. Evade/dodging was unnecessarily nerfed thus destroying a whole style of thief gameplay.

I think part of their horrible responsiveness is just how sluggish all of their skills are. Pets could REALLY benefit from a global cast time reduction and movement speed increase. And for the love of god let them break movement speed limits. Why in the hell should I ever see my pet struggling to even touch the enemy? It’s embarrassing to see it just walking behind them as if it was their pet. Could we have pets that are actually feared for once in the life of GW2? I could care less about their stats. They need to be more effective and quick in their actions to be a useful AI.

I have a dream people will actually want to play ranger because of how fun a pet can be.

So you think just because it’s only one class that can make condi classes completely ineffective it’s okay? What if diamond skin prevented all direct damage if an elementalist was above 90% health? It’s the same exact problem. There are two sources of damage in this game and there should never be a way to completely nullify either one so trivially. On top of that, you don’t have to be a full condi character to have extremely useful conditions. Blind, chilled, crippled, fear, immobilized, poison, vulnerability, and weakness; all accessible and useful to direct damage characters that become completely useless because of a single trait.

And don’t lie to yourself about this “dps sacrifice” garbage.