Guild Wars 2

LetoII.3782:

Quit fighting each other SoS and TC

I wish this was possible, but SoS seems to have an obsession with TC only… :-/ SoR will be pushing TC….and SoS sees an opportunity to join in the fun or something. It’s been the source of a bit of frustration in TC this week.

I don’t know how much more obvious than “TC and SoS make sure you 2v1 us so it’s an interesting week” it can get.

/shrug

I’m hoping the (usually pretty strong) weekday NA presence can give you guys a run for your money, at least in that timeslot. :-) They don’t call it Tarnished Tuesdays for nothin!

It’s been neat having SoR and SoS around this week (and last for SoS), but I am really starting to miss our old matchup system.

It was nice to start the week knowing all the servers were stacked pretty similarly, and that no one really knew who was going to win. Now…At the T1-T3 level of competition, it’s going to be statistically improbable that there won’t be at least a couple severely unbalanced matchups.

It may become more about survival…and less about competition. I fear that in time this way of playing is really going to lead to a lot of servers/players becoming demoralized, and will hurt the overall experience of WvW in a big way. :-/ A real T2 is right where we wanted to be before…and I want it back.

Still gonna fight hard and have fun, but anyone else feeling this? Feels like a dark cloud or something.

mikey.1537:

Do the EU T1 servers have 24/7 coverage like the NA T1 servers? If so would it not make sense for them to play one another? They could call it a champions league or something.

The EU servers are housed on a different continent from the NA ones. Pretty much the opposite side of the world…

tym.3791:

IMHO, Anet is watching the new system. They are seeing the blow outs and mis matches. Right now,Ferguson’s Crossing is getting Stomped to the point WvW is unplayable. We are out numbed really bad.

They will adjust and fix it. They want people playing, not quitting. I can not imagine its not much fun for the servers that can walk all over the other guys any time they want. Game is no fun if its to easy. No one around to fight.

Just be glad when its fixed. Time to find something else to do until it is.

I have a feeling that another couple weeks of this utter madness will see players leaving in droves. ANet had better not wait around too long to “fix” this garbage.

qualm like a bomb.6512:

Well Anet is kind of between a rock and a hard spot here. kittened on if they didnt kittened on if they did. A little change never hurt anyone, so everyone needs to put on their big boy panties and roll with it. It was us the players that broke the original system to begin with. Now the majority of these servers get to see the complete lack of hope, and no chance of winning that DR faces everyday of the week. :-D

Quote from what I said earlier in this thread:

What you should have done was set it up so traversing between tiers was a much more compressed process that required real effort on a server’s part, but nowhere near the tier-breaking garbage that it required originally.

This is what ANet should have done. Not this crap they ended up implementing.

Yeah, if ANet is going to keep this stupidity of a matchup system….3 day resets would be fantastic. Having to endure horrible matchups for a whole week is just painful.

Interestingly enough, I’ve heard several players in-game suggest the same thing.

tpvp tactics would evaporate the moment they got run over by a zerg.

end of story.

@Torrad:

It’s a random roll. The system will NEVER know how to match people up…because it’s largely random. There’s no “adjustment” period here. It will randomly roll and match you with another server.

It’s a broken, idiotically designed system. I just HATE the fact that ANet will drag us through this mud for months before finally coming to their senses and changing it to something else.

Really, ANet… Go out on a limb and poll your players. People do not like this garbage. It’s far worse than what we had before.

Liquid.9672:

Saruon.4085:

Thanks for all the fights tonight on DB BL and JQ BL.

Shoutout to LotD, KnT, SF, and AoS for coming out and playing!

Dear Agg. /respect /bow

Nice movement tonight. You reminded me how fun open field can be, and how lazy we may have gotten in some ways.

/salute

Edit – Miss ya!

Agg is pretty amazing. We loved them when we were facing them in T2 (before ANet lost their effing minds and did this RNG matchup garbage.)

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Hickeroar.9734:

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Good Job TC and SoS!!!

We drove [TW] from SoR!!!

xD

Yeah, I’m sure that’s exactly what happened.

Yeah, so what if we prolly drove them away with boredom…

I’m happy in my delusions and take my victories where I can get them!

Yeah, it’s probably a good thing they’re not here…simply because A: they’d be bored, and B: much more of this kitten kicking and I’m not sure I’d be able to sitdown! :P

Ghedoriah.4290:

Avenge.1478:

The amount of arrow carts in every kitten tower we tried to take tonight is absolutely unreal. Whole zergs and like 10 AC’s in a tower is hard to take, well played :c

Only ten? Clearly we’ve been slacking. Build moar, little zerglings! Moar AC’s, I say!

A few weeks ago I was commanding in EBG, outmanned, and Novus had one of his FA megazergs running around. They knocked down the gate to Valley Keep, and nightlight’s zerg showed up in the nick of time. We built arrow carts everywhere in inner.

I counted when we were done driving them off…

19 arrow carts.

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Good Job TC and SoS!!!

We drove [TW] from SoR!!!

xD

Yeah, I’m sure that’s exactly what happened.

Aeros.2046:

Bandwagoning is really what has killed the entire system. Tiers were never meant to be based on skill. They were supposed to reflect server population. Less populated servers fight less populated and large servers fight larger servers.

Its this nonsense that assumes the tiers are some sort of skill ranking is what really is the problem. Being tier 1, 2 or 3 does not mean you are awesome at WvW. It means you have a ton of people who play WvW at all hours.

There is a clear and distinct difference between a T3 skill level and a T2 skill level. It’s like night and day, when you put a new T3 server against experienced T2 servers.

Yes, population has a ton to do with winning, obviously, but 30 people can wipe 60 people if they are “skilled” about how they do it.

ErlendR.6107:

DevonCarver.5370:

This is going to result in blowouts, no doubt about it. However, we are not going to make changes

WOW
/Rage quit

Yeah, that’s a pretty blind point of view. “We know it’s going to suck, so get used to it.”

What ANet should do is run this RNG system for another two weeks, then re-implement the old system. This would allow them to see if the tier rankings have, indeed, been sorted out properly, and they could use the RNG system once every six months to level things out if they become stacked again.

This is the ONLY way the system could sort itself out.

Aethilmar.3951:

Maybe the new system will sort itself out in a couple of weeks.

That’s the problem with this system. It CAN’T sort itself out because it’s based on RNG.

People complained about the matchups, so ANet “randomized” them…when all people actually wanted was to be able to push up and down tiers without a combined perfect storm of a server crashing while another destroyed their current tier.

This is a stupid solution to what was a simple problem.

The problem is that the system is INHERENTLY bugged this way. It’s a BROKEN system.

People have done nothing but complain about your excessive “random roll” junk in this game since day 1. So…when faced with a REAL problem, what did you do? You tried to solve it with more RNG.

People did not want this. READ: People. Did. Not. Want. This.

Let me say that again:
People
Did
Not
Want
This

NOW, lets talk about what people wanted:

People wanted something very simple.

Extremely simple, actually, and something that you could have accomplished very simply by tweaking the way Glicko works.

It would have made a lot more sense and worked a lot better than what you have now.

People wanted you to make it easier for tiers that were unfairly stacked to be evened out. That. Is. All.

All you had to do to accomplish this was implement a system where traversing to the next tier, or previous tier was “compressed.” Before, you had to absolutely destroy the previous tier to move up…COMBINED WITH…a server on the previous tier completely tanking. That was a very hard condition to meet. All. you. had. to. do. was. tweak. glicko. so. it. was. easier.

DevonCarver.5370:

The concept of tiers has little meaning at this point and you should try to stop thinking of matchups in those terms even though you never asked for this, didn’t want it, and our change makes no sense. Servers are matched up by random draw that puts servers against other servers they never should have faced.

Fixed that for you.

Your idea of a matchup system is just….to be frank….idiotic.

What you should have done was set it up so traversing between tiers was a much more compressed process that required real effort on a server’s part, but nowhere near the tier-breaking garbage that it required originally. No one wanted random draw, your random draw values are just wildly out of control with no logic at all, people are overall pretty unhappy with the system, and you need to seriously rethink what you’re doing here.

Seriously…at the end of this week, check the average attendance on servers facing off against higher tiers that they shouldn’t have been matched with.

1) I guarantee you it’s much lower than normal.
2) You very well may destroy the entire spirit of WvW on these servers. Turning something competitive into a useless slaughter for points is nonsensical in the extreme.

Having a lot of fun in there today and last night. Great action in TCBL today, and Traxien got the opportunity to train a lot of Militia in open-field fighting….and general “how do I WvW?” stuff. We’ve almost broken 200 PPT a couple times. xD

I am very excited to see how our NA primetime does during the week. Tuesday-Friday are our strongest days every week. Just keeping everyone optimistic at the moment and having a ball!

Thanks to all the SoR who have been very good sports with salutes, wave, and bows, etc. Really appreciate that kind of attitude. :-) It’s a pleasure to bore you guys. xD

My personal hopes for this week are that during our high coverage periods, we can provide good fights to SoR, learn a lot, and just choose to have fun. I think we’ll get a very good map of our coverage this week overall, as well as where we need to improve in strategy and tactics.

Had a TON of fun on SoRBL and EBG last night. If we can get on and have nights/fights like that every night…this is going to be a very fun week.

I think we can see (and probably already knew) that our late oceanic & SEA coverage is probably our weakest spot numbers wise, but I’m really proud of our guys for fighting as hard as they did (and will). I’m so glad to have them on TC. Keep up the great work guys!

All Server Caps have been raised. Everything is Medium/High/Very High now. Get your transfers while they’re hot!!

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Shiren.9532:

Who cares about rating? All most of us want is to enjoy playing the game. When the matches keep screwing servers over it’s really hard to enjoy the game. SoS went from fighting 11th and 12th place and now it’s fighting 1st and 4th place after a week of fighting 4th and 6th place (and not even coming close to winning). This kind of ratings mismatch is incredibly destructive to morale, it’s what pushes people away from sPvP and it’s what pushes people away from WvW. At this rate it could be months before SoS is fighting against similair strength servers, and even if that happens there is a good chance the bizzaro ratings will start mismatching again.

Yeah, ANet screwed you guys over. Man, I thought it would be bad when T1 got matched with T2… But a T7? Best of luck. And well, I hope ANet actually realizes what happened with their new match-making.

SoS was at the top of T4, btw. They were good enough to be top of T3 though.

Even so…this matchup is entirely unfair to them. :-(

Aieo.2815:

Jahn.7019:

rhyein.6172:

Chris.3290:

TC, let’s make this 2v1; SoR is going rack up massive PvDoor points during the work week against both of us; so let’s not get up in each other’s faces so much (looking at you PINK)

TC spent almost the entire night attacking SoR in the south on SoS BL. First thing SoS does when they get garrison back is to try to take TC’s spawn tower, losing Garrison again to SoR. Don’t think PiNK is your problem.

We were gonna stay on hills and let SoS keep their garri, but they kept attacking bay.

Don’t feel bad. Think of it as a lesson to the commander in question to upgrade before advancing into enemy territory. With most of our organized guilds and commanders gone during the exodus, our new emerging commanders are still inexperienced when it comes to facing equal or greater force.

And that’s OK. Just use this as an opportunity to learn some higher tier tactics, and grow from it. You kinda got shafted this time around :/

Hoots.9564:

Shiren.9532:

Who cares about rating? All most of us want is to enjoy playing the game. When the matches keep screwing servers over it’s really hard to enjoy the game. SoS went from fighting 11th and 12th place and now it’s fighting 1st and 4th place after a week of fighting 4th and 6th place (and not even coming close to winning). This kind of ratings mismatch is incredibly destructive to morale, it’s what pushes people away from sPvP and it’s what pushes people away from WvW. At this rate it could be months before SoS is fighting against similair strength servers, and even if that happens there is a good chance the bizzaro ratings will start mismatching again.

I agree, I’m not sure what Anet is thinking but this new system seems quite broken. Why on earth would you have Rank 1 vs Rank 4 vs Rank 7 in one tier, that does not sound like variety it sounds more like a blowout. Anyway great fights on SoS BL, its nice to see some of the old faces from SoS and TC!

I think we’re all just hoping that things will normalize after all this swinging back and forth. :/ This is not where SoS should be.

Aurust.8961:

As per my post in the “Who would you like to face next week” thread…. i wanted to face TC, and Anet has answered!

I think it will be very apparent just how massive the gap between SoR and Everyone Else is….. and hopefully Anet shelves this silly system.

Fixed that for you.

No one is debating that SoR is fantastic, that’s for sure. :-P

OH NOES! This is going to be a crazy week!

I had some weird mental image of this matchup earlier today….

SoR: /cry

SoS: Boy, this ranking system is LEGIT! xD

TC: Let’s fight like we think we can win. xD

Usagi.4835:

I’m in five different guilds so that statement doesn’t really hold water; moreover, we were roaming. There were 3-6 of us, not hiding in a zerg at all.

You can blag all you want but if you’re so good, I don’t see why you keep dancing around my request for some duels/4v4s at the windmill. I ask politely, you keep refusing… what’s the problem? It’s a game and we’re all here to improve/play/have fun.

And your friend needs to grow up. I don’t see what’s so funny but every other second, I read “HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAA.”

More golden lines…

Just take it as a compliment. If they refuse to duel you, it’s obvious that they’re afraid they may lose….and all their bluster will mean nothing.

These are basic, playground politics. Bullies talk big.

Stop. Stop. STOP.

Stop trying to discourage zerging. I am SO sick of seeing these whiny threads over and over with people crying about zergs endlessly, and how they’re unfair to small groups of roamers. OF COURSE they are. That’s the POINT.

The majority of people in WvW love the zerg experience. There is NOTHING wrong with the zerging experience. Strength in numbers. It’s simple, elementary math.

If you don’t like zerging….don’t do it. Simple as that.

I personally only like to zerg when it’s in an organized guild setting, and I roam/havok the rest of the time, but zerging is a VERY IMPORTANT part of WvW for a myriad of reasons. You can roam on any class you want. You just have to build for it. I’ve done it on Ranger. I’ve done it on Ele. I’ve done it on Guardian for pete’s sake.

If ANet removed the ability to zerg from the game, WvW attendance would plummet.

If you want 1v1, go play sPvP. You get objective capturing, and small groups.

Hadan.2841:

usagi dont be mad. u post our convo here like we give a kitten if others see it. Truth is the truth, You and your guild hide in zergs, stick in the back and only push when you have more numbers and yet lose 80% of the time.

Classy. On all counts.

Y’all need to keep that in-game.

purplepegasus.2791:

This week has been great- haven’t had this much fun in WvW in a while. Both FA and TC have my respect- best of luck in future match-ups!

Considering this matchup moved you to your proper position, at the top of T3, I am sure we’ll be facing off again soon. Maybe even this week!

I’m PERSONALLY hoping for TC/BG/DB. That’d be epic.

2-ways in SM still lag the crap out of EBG for us. 3-ways are just unmanageably bad…

2-way open field fights are causing major lag as well. It seems like these have gotten worse, actually, but that might be my imagination.

anzenketh.3759:

I wonder what would happen to WvW in GvG was implemented.

Well, for the first few weeks, I’m sure you’d see a noticeable drop in guild attendance.

After that, people would get back at it.

I would love a personal DPS meter, but as people have pointed out, unless you’re doing speedruns, this is unquestionably irrelevant as public knowledge.

When I had my guardian as healer spec, i did hardly any damage at all, but I had great success at causing our groups to “win” engagements by keeping people protected, booned up, and healthy.

I would rather have an inspect option for other players. I don’t care much what their DPS is, as long as I know they’re not running all blues.

People troll in WvW. Just don’t let it bother you. Take it to them on the battlefield, and /dance on their bodies afterward. The last laugh is always the best medicine where trolls are concerned.

Amins.3710:

We do not need an “organized”, large scale “Arena”.

That’s just dumb.

Are you kidding me? Guilds have been begging for this since launch. It was also in GW1 and was one of the favorite features…

Mysticjedi.6053:

Isn’t GvG naturally happening in WvW?

A GvG is an organized matchup between identical numbers of players involving no pugs/militia. It’s a controlled thing. You can’t do a 20v20 in a regular open field fight.

We need a real GvG solution.

Escthiil.3210:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

I’d like to add that the person who trash talked me from shatter inc. also posted a fake LFG for me. Classy guild, they are.

Same thing happened to me multiple times today. People putting up fake LFGs in my name. I wouldn’t say who, but from inference, probably the exact guild you mentioned as well.

Ugh. Sounds like a real set of winners.

I give them points for their creative trolling methods though… Next time don’t accept the party invite. :P

(Or can they get your account name without that?)

Phaedryn.3698:

Hickeroar.9734:

Gear the 80, play WvW. WvW is the most brilliant and amazing end-game ever.

Fractals, also. I poured a ton of time into fractals and had a ton of fun doing it. Fractals really are the raid-alternative that GW2 offers.

I wouldn’t say it’s the “most brilliant and amazing end-game ever”. Certainly the best GW2 has going for it, but not “ever”. WvW is a poor imitation of DAoC’s RvR.

There’s no accounting for taste. :-P

Droughboi.2945:

Hickeroar.9734:

Level the thief to 80 before you consider another toon. The last 10 levels are the easiest, imho, and you’re already almost there. Don’t abandon a lvl 67 character.

WvW is full of endless entertainment possibilities. You can have fun on any class in there, so just go with what you enjoy playing.

Mesmer is a lot of fun, but one of the harder classes to truly master. Thieves can be effective by spamming #2 on your skill bar…or you can become super deadly by really mastering your class.

What kind of things do you see yourself doing in WvW? Zerging? Defense? Roaming? Havok Squads?

Man I don’t even know what any of that is. when I tried wvw, all I did was run into a crowd, stealth, shank and kill a couple guys n that’s it. never really tried wvw again. sooo…. Yeah I’m ignorant when it comes to anything wvw.

Everyone is ignorant to WvW when they first start, so don’t feel alone in that. I would be more than happy to give you a tour. I do it all the time for new players. Once you understand the basics, and get the hang of it, it’s downright addicting.

Just friend me in-game (account name on the left, character names in my sig) and I’ll give you a walkthrough.

Zikory.6871:

Mek.2947:

Hickeroar.9734:

Terkov.4138:

Hickeroar.9734:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Did you know that thief can easily chain 12 seconds of stealth from just 1 black powder? (4 x hs)

Yeah, and if you attack someone while stealthed…you’re no longer stealthed. That’s 12 seconds where the thief is useless at doing anything but hiding.

No, its 12 sec of him wasting time of few other ppl, because if they justleave him, he will kill dolly, destroy siege or w/e

You don’t need to be a thief to destroy a dolyak or siege. :-P

Nope, you only need to be a thief if you want to destroy a dolyak or siege with 5+ people guarding it and get away.

Fixed that for you. Any high burst build can do it easily, its the getting away part that is hard for anyone but a thief.

Getting away on a D/D ele or mesmer is trivial

Terkov.4138:

Hickeroar.9734:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Did you know that thief can easily chain 12 seconds of stealth from just 1 black powder? (4 x hs)

Yeah, and if you attack someone while stealthed…you’re no longer stealthed. That’s 12 seconds where the thief is useless at doing anything but hiding.

No, its 12 sec of him wasting time of few other ppl, because if they justleave him, he will kill dolly, destroy siege or w/e

You don’t need to be a thief to destroy a dolyak or siege. :-P

Master of Timespace.2548:

Did you know that thief can easily chain 12 seconds of stealth from just 1 black powder? (4 x hs)

Yeah, and if you attack someone while stealthed…you’re no longer stealthed. That’s 12 seconds where the thief is useless at doing anything but hiding.

Atrophied.8725:

Well, to be fair, we did push into FA after that duel.

Watch (and listen to) the video! They started the push! :-P They do sound like a cool group of people though. No trolling going on there.

Sparkfly is notorious for being empty (except for the lousy dragon event). I leveled a sylvari, and didn’t even realize that sparkfly fen was a map until two months after game launch.

Gear the 80, play WvW. WvW is the most brilliant and amazing end-game ever.

Fractals, also. I poured a ton of time into fractals and had a ton of fun doing it. Fractals really are the raid-alternative that GW2 offers.

Kaga.7629:

the dragonbrand guys keep insisting the afterhours krew has nothing to do with their victory.

Uh…dragonbrand is quite up front about their after-hours coverage being their most important timeslot.

DB rode to T2 on the backs of their SEA coverage.

Furiousbeard.7602:

Hickeroar.9734:

ninjambo.3784:

For anyone who remembers the old days of [RET] we will be back in full force soon. Give it a week or 2, and you will be running for the hills (or maybe bay, or garrison) :P

Meanwhile, heres a video of me dueling Nightlight from [CERN] lol All for fun and games, since after lots of ZvZ fights we were too outnumbered and decided to duel for fun.

I heard about this. xD This has been such a fun, low stress week. We love Nightlight. He’s a great commander and a great person on top of it.

Ranger Vs Warrior : Ranger always wins (unless they suck). Rangers are bloody amazing at 1v1.

Rangers can still lose in a 1v1 to a warrior, but if they do, it’s a build/skill issue. Either that or the warrior got a good jump on the ranger.

I’ve seen a lot more rangers lately with really strong builds and a lot of escape/survivability traits.

I’m glad to see the good sportsmanship shown by the two sides though. This would not happen months ago.

TC and FA getting along. It feels like there’s something wrong with the world right now. Or maybe it’s always been wrong…and right just feels wrong!

The Humanity!!!

LumAnth.5124:

My Mesmer wears more of a “battle mage” type of armor (1st pic). It’s not Mesmer~like or elegant at all, he looks more like an Elementalist if you ask me!

So I had to make a new set for him (this would be his Berserker’s set) that only Mesmers would wear (2nd pic)

There’s a mesmer in my guild that I could swear is just a confused Necro. At least…by the looks of him.

Level the thief to 80 before you consider another toon. The last 10 levels are the easiest, imho, and you’re already almost there. Don’t abandon a lvl 67 character.

WvW is full of endless entertainment possibilities. You can have fun on any class in there, so just go with what you enjoy playing.

Mesmer is a lot of fun, but one of the harder classes to truly master. Thieves can be effective by spamming #2 on your skill bar…or you can become super deadly by really mastering your class.

What kind of things do you see yourself doing in WvW? Zerging? Defense? Roaming? Havok Squads?

Best community of GW2 = TC