Guild Wars 2

Slyk.1452:

Tc dancing in the end zone ,. lol some great fights , but sincerely witness many occasion, if we fielded the same amount of armies youd be destroyed, as for camping so be it , that the way the world works , . SoS we had our reign of terror many times , an tolerated exploiters hax etc good luck to you TC in your Quest for T1,. well be back Muahahahha , some day lol

I’m guessing google translate…..?

LilMcGinley.3890:

Snowreap.5174:

on the surface, Vizunah Square vs Jade Sea vs Desolation looks a bit lopsided, but this is a T1 vs T2 vs T3 match, which is exactly the kind of match you’d expect to see every other week if we were using the Winner-Up-Loser-Down system that so many people are claiming would be better. so there’s little point complaining about that one.

It’s a 106k BLOWOUT, can people finally stop saying WULD is better, because this shows that it is not.

Speaking of blowouts: TC is currently about 210k ahead of SoS. :-/

I’d love to hear how many more weeks we’re going to have to endure at this heavily weighted rate of variance. Variance is fine, but I’d love to limit the damage a bit… This is getting a little tiresome.

Or just give us T2 back. >:[

Things I want to see on the guild API (some of these may be dependent on the OAuth system completion):

Member List
Upgrades (and buff activations?)
Currency Information (influence, merits, etc)
Member list with online/offline status
Member last online date
Member last rep date
Guild Chat (eventually? please?)

Since the in-game guild tools are somewhat lacking, the ability to write an informational app for use by guild leaders would be great. Roster management/maintenance/culling is pretty much impossible in-game at this point.

Littlefeather.8623:

Hickeroar.9734:

Littlefeather.8623:

Hickeroar.9734:

Littlefeather.8623:

Orb of Wrath: Increased the projectile speed of this skill by 30%.
Chains of Light: This ability now deals a small amount of damage.

I want to know what Dev really likes the Scepter? I mean cmon who really uses it?

It’s a great PvE weapon. It’s absolutely invaluable in high level fractals.

It’s also the only ranged weapon guardians have. :-/ Very glad they added the speed increase. It really needed that.

How many End Game (WvW) guardians do you know think this is a viable weapon?…

Oh, none. It’s worthless in WvW. :P Totally agreed on that point.

I know, when will the devs pull their sandwiches out of the soup and realize Guardians need a real range weapon…

I would love for guardians to get rifle or at least longbow skills.

Littlefeather.8623:

Hickeroar.9734:

Littlefeather.8623:

Orb of Wrath: Increased the projectile speed of this skill by 30%.
Chains of Light: This ability now deals a small amount of damage.

I want to know what Dev really likes the Scepter? I mean cmon who really uses it?

It’s a great PvE weapon. It’s absolutely invaluable in high level fractals.

It’s also the only ranged weapon guardians have. :-/ Very glad they added the speed increase. It really needed that.

How many End Game (WvW) guardians do you know think this is a viable weapon?…

Oh, none. It’s worthless in WvW. :P Totally agreed on that point.

For the “End Game” Fractals and Dungeons, it’s still invaluable. I do WvW and PvE (sometimes), so I still use a scepter fairly regularly.

deviller.9135:

Warrior still…… duh…..

(hoping warrior get torment too….)

Ele is hit too much. Cleansing fire does not give stun break ? Signet of air now stun breaker …

What trickery is this….

Yeah moving those stunbreakers to the utilities they did is just…odd. I understand wanting to move them, but those are lame places to move them to.

Littlefeather.8623:

Orb of Wrath: Increased the projectile speed of this skill by 30%.
Chains of Light: This ability now deals a small amount of damage.

I want to know what Dev really likes the Scepter? I mean cmon who really uses it?

It’s a great PvE weapon. It’s absolutely invaluable in high level fractals.

It’s also the only ranged weapon guardians have. :-/ Very glad they added the speed increase. It really needed that.

covenn.7165:

Also cleansing fire is now a worthless ability to slot. The only reason it was useful before was for the stun break.

It cures three conditions, which means it will get you out of immobilize, which is often far more dangerous (and common) (and long lasting) than stun.

Fuzzion.2504:

Im happy for my dnd ele. How about you guys?

We lost two stunbreakers (cleansing fire and lightning flash) which is a real bummer, but they did both have their cooldowns reduced quite a bit. I’ll probably keep using them both. Other than that, is there anything else that directly affects D/D in the patch? There’s a lot to wade through.

Freaking SoS. You guys are NINJAs. Suddenly….garri was gone!

Your ability to just gank something without anyone noticing makes me double-take every time.

Seriously people. It’s time to knock off the back and forth. Reset is tomorrow, let’s just put all this junk to rest and have a fun 24 hours.

JudgeD.5673:

Well, thank you to CD for showing me you can bring it.

NooooO!!!! I can’t believe I missed that!

/angry

Yeah, the idiotic loot system, especially around precursors, needs to change. I have 2200 hours and no precursors.

The only time I don’t like upleveled players is when we’re running an organized, untagged guild zerg and an upleveled player falls in with us. We’ve lost fights more than once due to squishy uplevel players, or non-guild glass cannons, rallying half the enemy zerg.

At the end of the day, though, you just have to deal with it. It’s not like our guild owns the game or anything. Just part of what you have to deal with.

GvG is about head-on simple fighting, not taking property. That’s what people want.

sostronk.8167:

Hickeroar.9734:

2500 health is not that much… This is not the huge deal you’re making it out to be. It’s not like a player’s heal compensates for the extra.

I run around on my thief with 10,000 health. Adding an extra 2500 health (25%) will make me near unkillable. Sure, it won’t matter a lot to my Hammer Warrior who gets around with 34k health or my necro that gets around with 25k health, but its looking great for my thief.

The thief base health is 10,805 (BEFORE the WvW weekly bonuses), not 10k.

Also, if you are running glass, an extra 2k health isn’t going to mean much. I can spike a glass character for half their health on my tank guardian. Having to hit you three times is an insignificant difference to me.

Another mindless idea from ANet’s “We didn’t find out what the players actually wanted” department.

Snowreap.5174:

only 2 million rolls? I’ll do some runs with 100 million rolls and add my data to that thread.

-ken

That statistical difference between the two is insignificant.

Or were you actually being serious?

2500 health is not that much… This is not the huge deal you’re making it out to be. It’s not like a player’s heal compensates for the extra.

Shazirah.8350:

Runamok.9638:

…got all crazy town today playing GW2…

-brotha

Are they still a thing? Crazy Town, I mean. The only thing I remember from them is Butterfly.

Come my lady.
Come, come my lady.
You’re my butterfly.
Sugar.
Baby.

LilMcGinley.3890:

Runamok.9638:

Le Rooster.8715:

Though if KH had wated a little later you would have got some awesome battles,

awesome fights in SoS bl against CERN-EP and co that random open field Server v Server fight we had was awesome fun, great to see improvement among SoS more of us getting on teamspeak and communicating.

I was really enjoying the fights and fun this morning. Those CERN guys are starting to grow on me even if they are TC rp’ing yak diddlers. So kitten ed that I had to bail to go to work. I knew I should have skipped that whole work thing and pounded a case of Keystone Light and got all crazy town today playing GW2 on one of the nicest days of the year. WTF was I thinking, I guess a man can dream of what could have been.

-brotha

Keystone Light..???? Sorry. I’m gonna have to kick you out of FoE for that remark.. Best of luck.

My personal WvW drink of choice is Shiner Bock. :-P

LilMcGinley.3890:

Usagi.4835:

Huygens.4075:

Le Rooster.8715:

Keeping it classy KH, Keeping it classy.

I don’t get it.

KH are classy even when they sleep.

Is that because they wear fedoras to bed?

No way. They wear Stillsuits: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_of_the_Dune_universe#Stillsuit

Swiftsorrow.9451:

To be honest, I think this matchup is really good for CD, simply because we are slowly but surely becoming aware of what it is needed to close the skill/tactics/logistics etc gap between us and the leading server.

We may not be winning now, but I’m sure if we pause to reflect on each encounter with TC & SOS, no matter how good or bad the outcome, we can take something away from it.

I don’t speak for CD, but thanks TC and SOS, for the battles, no matter how lopsided the score seems now. Its mid-week, but I’m starting to observe positive changes/adapting in the CD WvW general population, especially those that are still fighting in the mist war. Slowly but surely..

;)

FWIW, we saw more CD in one place last night than we have all week. Really really fun fight between Jerrifers and Golanta. You guys have an insane amount of necros (marks and wells EVERYWHERE), and tons of CC. Would love to see more of that organized gathering today and tomorrow!

Dual.8953:

Hickeroar.9734:

Dual.8953:

Hickeroar.9734:

Yocairo.4257:

Thief’s perspective here:
IMO it’s justified to stealth stomp in this meta game, and for one good reason. I suggest everyone tries to make a thief and finish off a player without stealth. You will realize half the time a player can actually down you if you have +-5k hp left after a fight, not to forget if he has a friend and you DON’T stealthstomp him, you are dead, simple as that.

Take this any way you like, whether stealth is OP or not, without it thieves would be like a turtle without a shell. There would need to be a complete class haul over for it to even work, peace

Thieves are a medium armor class sharing the same health pool as eles and guardians.

Eles, in light armor, are forced to spike people without the aid of stealth. Why do thieves get a break when their armor value is better?

Don’t run glass, and you have nothing to worry about.

Because Ele’s can bunker, have all the heals, access to aoe burning and bleeds, ect. Why even stomp when you can dps the opponent down just as fast while keeping your guard up? Also, even in Knight’s Armour Thieves are still squishy, and Soldier’s Thieves have trouble just plain killing.

You do realize that bunker eles really don’t deal that much damage, right? They win by wearing the enemy down over time.

Burning still is strong against downed foes. And if the strongest Zergs run Soldier’s, does damage really matter in large battles?

D/D eles aren’t traited and specced for burning.

bladie.5084:

Hickeroar.9734:

Dual.8953:

Hickeroar.9734:

Yocairo.4257:

Thief’s perspective here:
IMO it’s justified to stealth stomp in this meta game, and for one good reason. I suggest everyone tries to make a thief and finish off a player without stealth. You will realize half the time a player can actually down you if you have +-5k hp left after a fight, not to forget if he has a friend and you DON’T stealthstomp him, you are dead, simple as that.

Take this any way you like, whether stealth is OP or not, without it thieves would be like a turtle without a shell. There would need to be a complete class haul over for it to even work, peace

Thieves are a medium armor class sharing the same health pool as eles and guardians.

Eles, in light armor, are forced to spike people without the aid of stealth. Why do thieves get a break when their armor value is better?

Don’t run glass, and you have nothing to worry about.

Because Ele’s can bunker, have all the heals, access to aoe burning and bleeds, ect. Why even stomp when you can dps the opponent down just as fast while keeping your guard up? Also, even in Knight’s Armour Thieves are still squishy, and Soldier’s Thieves have trouble just plain killing.

You do realize that bunker eles really don’t deal that much damage, right? They win by wearing the enemy down over time.

And how does an ele wear the enemy down over time? Being rewarded with rotation of attunement and speccing into the ultimate tanking/healing/condition removing ele with a bundance of boons. And don’t forget their graceful up to par, in combat mobility as well.

Your 2nd post defeats your 1st post.

No, my second proves my first. Eles have to do this crap with cloth armor. They wear appropriately specced armor to the fight. Thieves should have to do the same, except ANet gave them a cheat tactic.

What’s really hilarious is that thieves can stealth…then ANet will ban non-thieves for stealth-hacking to accomplish the exact same stuff thieves use it for.

Yup…makes perfect sense. “Cheating.”

Dual.8953:

Hickeroar.9734:

Yocairo.4257:

Thief’s perspective here:
IMO it’s justified to stealth stomp in this meta game, and for one good reason. I suggest everyone tries to make a thief and finish off a player without stealth. You will realize half the time a player can actually down you if you have +-5k hp left after a fight, not to forget if he has a friend and you DON’T stealthstomp him, you are dead, simple as that.

Take this any way you like, whether stealth is OP or not, without it thieves would be like a turtle without a shell. There would need to be a complete class haul over for it to even work, peace

Thieves are a medium armor class sharing the same health pool as eles and guardians.

Eles, in light armor, are forced to spike people without the aid of stealth. Why do thieves get a break when their armor value is better?

Don’t run glass, and you have nothing to worry about.

Because Ele’s can bunker, have all the heals, access to aoe burning and bleeds, ect. Why even stomp when you can dps the opponent down just as fast while keeping your guard up? Also, even in Knight’s Armour Thieves are still squishy, and Soldier’s Thieves have trouble just plain killing.

You do realize that bunker eles really don’t deal that much damage, right? They win by wearing the enemy down over time.

Chris.3290:

On a side note, I see TC is laying off the pain sauce today, and we might get some interesting fights this evening.

Hopefully the fairweathers and completionists have gotten bored and moved on. :-/

kRAVen.4195:

Ah ic. Thank you for correcting me. I think we both agree then. Come back to CD?

And I don’t think Kreaven will be upset cause hes already ran me down twice with his 50 man zerg. The last time was so terrible. Somebody in chat was like “what, we are getting face rolled again” and I was like “what are you talking…..death”.

Kreaven’s a really great guy though. Relatively new to commanding, but he makes the right calls, and is quickly becoming recognizable by militia.

PistolWhip.2697:

Hickeroar.9734:

kRAVen.4195:

PistolWhip.2697:

@Kraven
While your posts wreak of assumptive judgemental behaviour and rude claims. Please do not reply to my posts, I do not wish to converse with someone who is too arrogant to see that other CD members have made those claims and that I merely highlighted them.

Why is everyone assuming that I made these claims? I pointed out in my post it was gathered from the Posts of CDer’s on this thread. I decided to give a few posters benefit of the doubt when it came to their claims that CD doesn’t care as much as TC and that’s why they are losing. If I’am oh so wrong for taking these posts seriously, then I will disregard these posters as trolls, but I must ask, clarify for me now, does CD as a general server attitude want to strive for a win or not?

Lol. Every post a classic. Shovel please. Any other rules of yours i can follow?

Kreaven, from TC, is going to feel very abused by the end of this thread.

I don’t know why I bother to be honest, you treat someone as an intelligent individual and they do all they can to disprove your generous assumption.

Anyway, I won’t bother with Kraven anymore, he obviously has nothing worthwhile to contribute to this thread but “Its numbers! All the numbers! So many numbers it all numbers!” Lol.

I… Er…

Sorry, I was just trying to be funny.

kRAVen.4195:

PistolWhip.2697:

@Kraven
While your posts wreak of assumptive judgemental behaviour and rude claims. Please do not reply to my posts, I do not wish to converse with someone who is too arrogant to see that other CD members have made those claims and that I merely highlighted them.

Why is everyone assuming that I made these claims? I pointed out in my post it was gathered from the Posts of CDer’s on this thread. I decided to give a few posters benefit of the doubt when it came to their claims that CD doesn’t care as much as TC and that’s why they are losing. If I’am oh so wrong for taking these posts seriously, then I will disregard these posters as trolls, but I must ask, clarify for me now, does CD as a general server attitude want to strive for a win or not?

Lol. Every post a classic. Shovel please. Any other rules of yours i can follow?

Kreaven, from TC, is going to feel very abused by the end of this thread.

Waffler.1257:

I picture Maguuma as Archie Bunker from All in the Family, while TC is definitely Marie Barone from Everybody Loves Raymond. Seriously, try reading some of the TC posts in her voice, it’s spot on.

I am.
Quite literally,
Laughing out loud.

I CAN’T TURN IT OFF!

xD

Edit: How so I make this stop. Srsly. Marie is everywhere.

Toxic.4320:

Hickeroar.9734:

Toxic.4320:

Chris.3290:

Ha, we finally agree.

However, this is no way rock bottom for CD (vs Kain after losing guilds and getting back to t3 imho). Despite some peoples unwarranted expectations I think we will finish about 100k points behind SoS which is exactly what we did for two months. Yes CD’s attendance is down this week but ghose of us out there are doing the best we can.

+1. I’ll be back in once I get done making like an adult

@ Venton. I’m a she

Impossible. Girls don’t play computer games!

/run

(My wife totally plays GW2)

Best keep running, Mister! Btw.. you always had my respect when you commanded. I only left TC almost three weeks ago.

Excalibur.9748:

Is it true that CD doesn’t have enough numbers during NA to field a resistance in EBG?

Cuz every night when I get home I find myself spawn camping CD at their keep. It’s getting kind of old lol

Which is it? you come and spawn camp CD at their keep or you do it on accident like you said here:

“Well, it’s not deliberate it’s just that we push them all the way back to the spawn. We move back a bit and then push again etc etc. There is nothing we can do if they don’t want to push.”

All I’ve seen or been a part of is that we own LLK, then we take off for a while and do other things on the map, Then CD comes out of their spawn and pushes LLK. We come en-masse back to LLK, go around back, and push CD back to their spawn…because there’s really nowhere else to push them. That’s pretty much the direction they run and come from.

We then hang around for 2 minutes, repair any damage, and go about our business on the rest of the map.

Is this what you saw? Or was there an organized, camped out, sieged up spawn-camping effort?

The former really isn’t spawn camping. Just defending something we presently own. The latter, I definitely neither approve of, or find fun in the least.

Toxic.4320:

Chris.3290:

Ha, we finally agree.

However, this is no way rock bottom for CD (vs Kain after losing guilds and getting back to t3 imho). Despite some peoples unwarranted expectations I think we will finish about 100k points behind SoS which is exactly what we did for two months. Yes CD’s attendance is down this week but ghose of us out there are doing the best we can.

+1. I’ll be back in once I get done making like an adult

@ Venton. I’m a she

Impossible. Girls don’t play computer games!

/run

(My wife totally plays GW2)

People should be able to rally, for sure. It’s a core game mechanic.

I do, however, believe that it needs to be limited. Rallying half a zerg because your zerg has a zerker militia in it just penalizes the people who came prepared and did all the initial hard work of downing those enemy players in the first place.

I support 1-for-1, or at least 2-for-1. Heck, if they just capped it at SOMETHING that would be an improvement over “Wow, they’re all rallied now.”

Yocairo.4257:

Thief’s perspective here:
IMO it’s justified to stealth stomp in this meta game, and for one good reason. I suggest everyone tries to make a thief and finish off a player without stealth. You will realize half the time a player can actually down you if you have +-5k hp left after a fight, not to forget if he has a friend and you DON’T stealthstomp him, you are dead, simple as that.

Take this any way you like, whether stealth is OP or not, without it thieves would be like a turtle without a shell. There would need to be a complete class haul over for it to even work, peace

Thieves are a medium armor class sharing the same health pool as eles and guardians.

Eles, in light armor, are forced to spike people without the aid of stealth. Why do thieves get a break when their armor value is better?

Don’t run glass, and you have nothing to worry about.

Vashti.8179:

LameFox.6349:

Sounds like someone was slapping people with his mobility-paddle.

This sounds…dirty.

Omai.

Meglobob.8620:

Stealth stomping,is it fair?

NO.

Next, I like the easy questions…

The silly thing about it is that attacking someone while stealthed gives you the revealed debuff. Unless, yaknow, if you’re spiking them.

It would make sense that spiking would give you the revealed debuff….

Whether ANet sees that sense or not is another story.

Shazirah.8350:

Chris.3290:

I sometimes wonder if this is what happens when a bad mathematical experiment meets a bad psychological test.

I will say there is one thing of value in all this. Each server is learning what it’s made of, and knows who will be there when rockbottom hits.

Er, except for TC. I’m busy playing Dishonored. I think I’ll go back to Civ 5 once I’m done with this though. Hmm. Maybe I’ll read…. a book.

I’ve been considering playing skyrim again… I still haven’t played Uncharted 3 either.

TooBz.3065:

JakobGW.5730:

To Tarnished Coast:

If there is anyone who needs to “learn” from this match, it’s your small man groups. This is where we shine. We enjoy the 3 – 10 man fights, something you are not used to with your zergs. We actually use the target system – you know, hitting the TAB button or left clicking a name. Since you’ve forgotten, this allows you to actually use an ability against a single person. You also have to time your dodges, use your stun breakers effectively, and watch your opponent to gauge his/her cool downs so you know when to capably use your abilities.

Also there is a major problem when one of our berserker warriors eats an entire 100 blades from a TC player and it only takes 1/5 of our warrior’s total health. That tells us that your players are so used to running pvt gear that they don’t even know how to properly fight in smaller skirmishes. They are so used to the zerg meta that they are clueless to anything else.

If you need more advice, all you have to do is ask. I’m sure we can help you “learn” from this engagement, just as you’ve graciously offered your advice.

At the risk of sounding reasonable, I think that’s fair. The gear that I would use in a small man havoc squad is entirely different than the gear I would use when running in a zergball. Heck the weapons and traits I’d use would be different also.

If you encountered a havoc squad in PVT gear your comments are well founded. However, you may also have jumped on a group of people running back to the zerg, who didn’t re-equip for the journey.

Yeah, typically I use neither the same gear nor characters nor classes for small group vs zerging. Occasionally I’ll bring my tank guardian with a small group for support, but usually I have a D/D ele or a Ranger geared and built completely differently.

I can’t say this as a blanket statement, but I wouldn’t think warriors are particularly well suited for small groups/havok anyway. I’m sure there are those who disagree with that though.

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

I do hope ANet gets the message though because it is an even worse situation than a deliberate effort on TC’s part – because most of TC’s “regulars” aren’t playing at all.

Typically when I have a no-commitments “free night” I dedicate it to WvW.

Last night was the first time in months I spent a “free night” watching TV instead of playing WvW because this matchup/matchup-system are just so horrifically screwed up. :-/ I definitely hope ANet are paying attention.

timidobserver.7925:

Rawr.5930:

Spawn camping is not ok and not fun for those on the receiving end.

But it’s one thing to have 3 exits camped with excessive siege and another to have a few misfits throw down a ballista and mess around.

On the whole as a server, spawn camping in any form is strongly discouraged in Map/Team, but we cannot CONTROL what anyone does.

There’s a HUGE difference between something that’s stupid and spur of the moment and an organized attempt to grief.

I think that TC is making an effort to show Anet how their matchup math is failing in order to ensure that we get fun matchups in the future. I think servers faced with this have been trying to be nice so far. However, I think Anet needs to be shown that matching up T4,T5,and T6 servers with T2 servers is not okay, so I guess that TC has decided to go for the utter destruction of CD and SoS to the point of spawn camping in order make sure Anet gets the message.

There’s nothing organized at all going on on this front. I can guarantee you that. If people are actively spawn camping, it’s definitely not a “server sanctioned” event.

TC are also not trying to “manipulate” the system. There are just a TON of people who came out this week to get their world completion, and are flooding WvW. It’s kinda a domino effect, I think… There’ve been a lot of self-formed zergs, usually commanderless, who are just taking requests on what to take for people who need POIs and Vistas.

The dominant theme in TC from the regulars is just that we want a properly balanced matchup system back. This current setup isn’t fair to anyone, and morale has been dropping steadily since it started 3 weeks ago.

:-(

Aurust.8961:

Rewriting history? You yourself said TC was never spawn camped by SOR and i provided a pic…. Im just trying to stop you from spreading misinformation.

This is what I said…AND YOU QUOTED IT:

That said, I’m not saying you made it up. I’m just saying I didn’t see it or hear about it.

I also originally thought he was talking about the last matchup, not the one in January.

(Go back and troll the T1 thread.)

Toxic.4320:

SoR did, in fact spawn camp TC with balis and arrowcarts. EP must have been on break back in January when it was going on and we drew SoR three weeks running. Why would I make it up?

EP disbanded in early december. EP was reformed with only a handful of original members in march (IIRC).

The former EP members didn’t quit the game (save for a couple), and were still playing the game through january.

That said, I’m not saying you made it up. I’m just saying I didn’t see it or hear about it. I’m also saying that it just doesn’t matter… There are other exits from spawn which are quite a bit safer are much less “direct.”

Toxic.4320:

Are you paying attention at all, Venton? I was on TC when SoR spawn camped. Christ, no wonder people are getting aggravated in here. No one is listening to one another. Everyone is too busy being nasty.

Peace out and I’ll see y’all on the battlefields.

I’ve been on TC since the game launched…and I saw no spawn camping by SoR.

If they did spawn camp….who cares? Like…really. Who-Cares?

Who.
Cares?

I’ve said it three times now: Take a different exit from spawn. It’s THAT simple.

Spawn camping is an ugly tactic…but people are just gonna do it. That’s why ANet designed the game to be immune to it. Except…people would rather whine about it on the forums than turn 90 degrees at spawn and go out a different exit.

Toxic.4320:

uneditedbrute.8136:

Toxic.4320:

To TC: I wish y’all nothing but the best. I made some really good friends over there but I would ask that y’all maintain the 10 commandments, ok? It made my heart hurt a little to see y’all spawn camp us.

your tears taste amazing.

snip

‘your tears taste amazing’ This is the kind of crap that is unneeded and uncalled for.
That wasn’t a QQ. It was a fact.. TC is a server that I really admire and learned a LOT from. To see them do something that they, themselves, hated? Sucked.

You’re dropping a pretty big blanket over top of all of TC there…

Toxic.4320:

Venton, scroll up. It was openly admitted that TC was spawn camping because they were bored last night.

The three other exits argument is not valid. Why? Because TC got equally frustrated when SoR spawncamped. I was there.

I don’t care if someone “admitted” to it. All anyone had to do was take a different exit and stop fighting out front. They would have just gone away on their own out of boredom.

Also: I don’t recall any QQ about SoR spawn camping TC. I don’t even recall it being mentioned. Even if they WERE spawn camping us…I would have just changed direction and headed out a different way, or left the map.

TC has been “spawn camped” by DB, FA, SoR, and plenty of other servers. It’s just part of the game…. Yeah, it’s not classy, and I wouldn’t do it, but crying about it just makes you look silly, because all you have to do is take a different exit from spawn to avoid the campers.

Toxic.4320:

To TC: I wish y’all nothing but the best. I made some really good friends over there but I would ask that y’all maintain the 10 commandments, ok? It made my heart hurt a little to see y’all spawn camp us.

There have been a few times this week when we held an enemy keep, they were attacking, we pushed out of the keep (or around it) enmasse, and pushed the enemy all the way back to spawn. We then left within 30 seconds.

If this is what you’re talking about…it’s not spawn camping. I personally haven’t seen any spawn camping.

On top of that, every spawn has three exits, two of which cannot be camped in any way, one of which is defended by legendaries. If people are fighting in front of the legendaries…I can’t exactly classify that as spawn camping. It’s willful. All they had to do is take a different exit.

Toxic.4320:

When did this become the rip on CD thread?

I think it’s more of a “CD ripping itself and everyone else” thread. More to the point, it’s just one or two CD guys picking fights. Just ignore it. Walls of text and long diatribes are summarily ignored by most people.

For a 5-man:
D/D Ele, Ranger, Engi, Thief, Heavy Guardian.

You can switch out the Ranger or Engi for a Mesmer as well.