Guild Wars 2

^ The problem with Microcenter is everything I want says “In store pickup only”, they have a great deal on a 3570K… “In store pickup only”. Boo.

The two other video cards 650ti vs 7850.

The first benches I saw, it was a virtual tie. In that case I lean Nvidia for compatibility.

But then I saw this and it is a clear advantage for the 7850:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/680?vs=549

That system should run solid. You have a legit chance at high settings. The 650 (non ti) is a bit of a stinker, but it’s a little stronger then a 460 and I’ve seen GW2 run well with a 460. The 3550 CPU is strong enough and should carry you threw.

kirito.4138:

That frys deal online died fast, but at physical B&M stores they might have it.

(snip)

But the biggest reason to build your self is choices and custom tailoring.

I called, any Fry’s in my area (B&M) sold out. Norcal.

No argument on getting the exact parts you want on building your own, I just haven’t found it cheaper anymore.

finlock.2918:

Okay I shall await your response on the laptops ability. Will you post on here? @horrorscope
Also I do not feel comfortable building a computer just yet. I would really want a laptop because I’m going to college soon and would prefer to have a semi decent laptop for that too.

Yep I’ll come back right here, I can also PM you. Figure it ships Thurs ground, not sure where from yet. Most likely early-mid next week. Same for my son, dual purpose laptop w/college.

kirito.4138:

Horrorscope.7632:

I don’t think building yourself is cheaper, esp if you want a leigt copy of an o/s.

If you get in on the black friday deals etc its much cheaper than prebuilt systems. Plus you get to pick quality parts tailored for gaming. Even windows 8 is heavily discounted.

This is what I built over this week.
180 -CPU/Mobo- Intel i5-3570k & MSI Z77A-G43 combo at frys
90 -PSU- Seasonic X650 at newegg
70 -CASE- Antec P280 at newegg
40 -RAM- 16GB (2×8) G.skill 1866 ram at newegg
25 -Cooler- Hyper212 Evo overclock cooling at newegg
60 -HD- Kingston Hyperx 120GB at newegg
00 -Input- Already have Logitech keyboard/mouse
00 -Monitor- Already have dual 20" Dell LCD
00 -GPU- Already have GTX 660
00 -OS- Already have.
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$465

A 300-400 budget build is possible too.

I think you have $400 not listed that many won’t have. The GPU and O/S. I agree input devices and monitor most have those to carry over.

More importantly…. Is that Fry’s deal still on and if so would you please link! I have to order a new combo and that is amazingly priced.

UPDATE: I called Fry’s those are sold out.

Finlock: I am thinking pretty confidently it will, I have various systems I’ve tried GW2 on so I have a decent feel for it. I just ordered the bottom one I have listed (acer), ships ground… I’ll know for certain in a few days, if you would like to wait. I have no idea how long the sale is on though. Last night I had two other laptops inline, both dropped their sale price today. Then I found this gem, which overall was better then last nights that I had picked out.

But the Acer’s i7 CPU is as strong as a desktop intel 3570 and that is nothing to sneeze at. The GPU (which isn’t the issue with GW2) is a little weaker then that 7750 or nvidia equivalent 550ti you listed on your desktop. For a laptop, though it’s respectable.

With all my testing with GW2, it has been consistent. CPU, CPU, CPU. This laptop has the CPU for high.

I doubt it very much, what is the cpu?

Look at this, please be sitting:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+6150SE&id=1189

These two laptops are the same price as the desktop, it’s not quite as strong as that desktop, but noticeably stronger then the laptops you have:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100006740&IsNodeId=1&PropertyCodeValue=393%3A49576%2C402%3A266883%2C402%3A304112%2C402%3A305523%2C402%3A350842%2C402%3A284980%2C402%3A154106%2C402%3A167527%2C402%3A155119%2C402%3A155126%2C402%3A100439%2C402%3A314897%2C402%3A314898%2C402%3A266888%2C402%3A347918%2C402%3A267294%2C402%3A314655%2C402%3A348770&bop=And&CompareItemList=32|34-310-625^34-310-625-TS%2C34-310-630^34-310-630-TS

If you want a laptop over a desktop and want something stronger then the desktop you listed, here is what I think is the best deal in laptops performance wise (someone show me a better deal):

http://store.acer.com/store/acerna/en_US/pd/productID.259012300

I don’t think building yourself is cheaper, esp if you want a leigt copy of an o/s.

wauwi.9162:

any other attempts to increase my performance failed miserably (reinstalling GW2 and win7, OC’ed CPU to 3,8 then 3,9 then 4 and 4,1GHz, etc…the usual stuff)

usually, games wouldn’t need high-end CPU’s and GPU’s or high-end in general, unless you want to show-off your super awesome pointless 600+FPS

1. If you feel comfortable with computers, you should know if your system is running well, so installing game and o/s shouldn’t be needed. This is the Internets solution to seemingly everything, that’s a lot of BS to me.

2. Oh yes, this game wants all of your cpu, no other game has been this kind of demanding. I have one more Dual to update to a nice i5 for Christmas, the mouse is smooth, but the world feels like it strobes in comparison to my i7’s.

Good for you on picking up decent FPS %‘s, on my Dual, it’s almost like nothing affects it.

More info:

Here is a comparison of your videocard and the other system I mentioned, also notice I added the Intel 4000 HD, the VC in the system you have listed is similar to a std Intel 4000HD.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html

Check 82, 101, 209 and 247 (By the way that is the # they rank the videocards)
Then pick the games in the little box
Then click Restrict, this will show a nice little comparison between those and the games you selected, pick a couple from 2010, 2011 and 2012, not all games/vc’s are tested.

Another system in between that you could squeak by on for GW2 and it will run many other games very well…

Take your pick, screen size rez, being the main difference, you may want to choose the lower native rez’d one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100006740&IsNodeId=1&PropertyCodeValue=393%3A49576%2C402%3A266883%2C402%3A304112%2C402%3A305523%2C402%3A350842%2C402%3A284980%2C402%3A154106%2C402%3A167527%2C402%3A155119%2C402%3A155126%2C402%3A100439%2C402%3A314897%2C402%3A314898%2C402%3A266888%2C402%3A347918%2C402%3A267294%2C402%3A314655%2C402%3A348770&bop=And&CompareItemList=32|34-310-625^34-310-625-TS%2C34-310-630^34-310-630-TS

I just bought this today (far bottom link) for my son who wants a reasonable gaming laptop, to replace his older reasonably priced gaming laptop. His current is one of those ASUS Gaming one’s of a couple years back (http://www.circuitcity.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1104483&csid=ITD&body=MAIN), which he used for GW2 on medium, runs ok @1600x900.

This new one the GPU is relatively the same but the proc is twice as strong, just what GW2 needs. This still isn’t like a really nice desktop, but this is the lowest I would go if you are thinking GW2.

It’s a steal with the $200 off and I can’t find it anywhere near as cheap elsewhere.

http://store.acer.com/store/acerna/en_US/pd/productID.259012300

1. I think we all get the first time turnaround stutter when loading into a new area. I just do a 360 each time and then I’m glass. I’m not sure there is a way around it.

2. 3770 and 3820 Intels are still 50% faster then what you have and this is a cpu based game. Both your video cards for GW2 totally sufficient, are you interested in selling the 470?

3. The proc % of use, don’t be fooled by that. It’s how multicores work, it’s not like the chip is idling at 60-80% free, the % is spread amongst all cores. This one is a common issue understanding. Those puppies are giving you their all.

Already said above what is needed and to put minds at ease, 30 FPS can vary game to game. To me it’s how FPS mixes with the user input device. 30 FPS in GW2 the mouse is butter, you don’t feel friction/stutter. Say in GTA 30 FPS and it feels sluggish as all can be. 30 FPS in WvWvW feels really good with a huge mob. Get out of that and you’ll be pegging 60.

Overclocking and ram speed are optional, if you aren’t going to do it, don’t pay extra for it.

If you are not playing this game maxed settings and if you like + the injector, then you are missing out. This game max’d looks so much better then medium/low settings. In those arena’s the game actually looks a bit icky. To me this game has a wider range than most games in medium to max look variation.

Enoch.1058:

Kings X.5082:

ANET needs to make the game solo friendly. Maybe they should look at GW1 for inspiration.

In what ways is GW2 NOT solo-friendly?

Dungeons.

FWIW, I did run the event without lag with an i7/660ti. So it can happen. 25FPS was my low, but the mouse was still smooth, so all was still good.

Raf.1078:

Good grief…then go play another game for awhile. There is no sub here, so you can come back when your attitude is better. Or not…as you choose.

I will never understand the mindset of people that seem to just need to share their ennui in game forums.

Funny, that is where I thought you go to share your feelings “within reason”. We’re all building that perfect game in our heads and we all hope “the next game” is closer to that ideal. If not, we say why not, right or wrong.

I am one to agree, I thought this game was to be PvE to 80. WvWvW until next expansion. Some event diversions from time to time. At least in a general sense.

“Upgrading from a 200-300$ CPU to a 1000$ CPU SHOULD NOT BE THE SOLUTION.”

I agree we need performance updates, but no reason to exaggerate either. For $325 you can get MB/Proc and Ram to run this game well. The best news, everything else will run better to.

Kings X.5082:

I brought this exact problem up during beta and got excuriated by everyone and now only 3 months later. People are complaining they cannot get through the game because the population has dropped off.

I was told that people would be leveling alts? Nope.

I was told after the initial zerg people would revist maps to “explore”. Not happening.

I was told there would be lots of new players to fill in the gaps. What a joke.

ANET needs to make the game solo friendly. Maybe they should look at GW1 for inspiration.

KingsX, same with me, I held off buying for a few reasons and as you say… everyone thought these things wouldn’t be a problem. You can take things today and simply say “Three months ago did you foresee what today’s game is like?” You would have been laughed off the boards (and worse) suggesting what we have today, 3 months ago.

Elsewhere I had that post back then, they reassured me. I revived it late last week and no one wants to touch it now.

GregT.4702:

Why on Earth would they make the same game twice?

There were plenty of traits you could take, expand upon and add new things, not to make the same game twice. The open world, the jump, swim, dodge itself are major additions to GW1, if nothing else changed. No one said removing those changes, so it’s not the same game twice.

i5 3330 as mentioned above $223 w/mb.

http://www.portatech.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=73240&O=74751%2C74663&r=p

endless.1376:

But…there is no monthly fee. Why do so many people insist on treating this like its a sub based game.

Come back and do whatever you want in the game. As long as you have fun doing it who the heck cares! Jeesh people get a grip.

I do it all the time with DDO with a sub. What does subs have to do with it? Some make it sound hard to re-sub for a game.

That lore answer just won’t sit well with me.

I go by GW1’s pre-release, beta’s, them talking with us etc. then. The actual Guilds War’ing vs one another was a MAJOR feature in the game that they sold us on. We never heard about Guild Wars NPC Guild lore then. PvE they felt at that time, while nice, was a tutorial to PvP. I think they learned the lesson a lot of people just want PvE. But somewhere between then and now this “Guild Lore” is rewriting history a bit, imo.

GW1 – Skill Selection

DDO – Most Unique Dungeons

CoH – Best Overall combat model

GW2 – Best Open World

DDO – Best Character Customization

C9 – Best Combat/Skill Mechanics

WoW – Most Players

Aba.6419:

Maybe some more opinions ??
Bcs those doesnt clear anything for me

With those two choices the AMD one is better, neither is really ideal. You cannot go any higher?

I always play the tween-er, good fighter, good support, good heals in any game that allows it and most do. I do miss it, because it’s very exciting having so many options and knowing when to switch up in the heat of it all.

I still play support classes in GW2 and I do splash the heals they do have out there, they just do diddly poo, but I’m still staying greased in case someday they just might do something.

I’d take a 1/3 of the healing power other healers in other games have. I feel like I have a 1/10th the healing power right now. What I’ve played so far, I’d be better off with a different skill.

I am good though with not wanting or having to have a dedicated healer, I don’t miss that at all. But the heals in this game still could be better so they have some tangible affect and not being known as a “true healer”.

Love it:

“And, honestly, hardcore players are just terrible, terrible people, and they’re lucky that they’re barely tolerated to play this game instead of being put in jail, where they can whine about how lenient parole systems are ruining the challenge of the custodial experience.”

Another one was Wish I believe, again a lot of people looked at it as the mmo’s great white hope (boy if we don’t fall for that every time). They did an open beta for a couple days, it was bumpy, but not the worst ever… A few days later the server was on an auction site and they cancelled it. That was different.

I’m all for different servers other than just name, that is in mmo’s future, someone will try it and it will succeed.

But I do chuckle at this: 2. “It will stop a ton of people from leaving for Darkfall 2”, please kitten, that is a small small niche game.

I get the OP.

I mentioned this elsewhere and I don’t hate GW2, just putting this out there, because it’s a way to nicely package this all up.

3 months ago, if I were to tell you that GW2 would soon have additional level 80 progressive gear to grind for. That it would be locked in once place and nearly all level 80’s running PvE content would be running that instanced dungeon to obtain that gear over and over and over, while the open world becomes barren…. You would have called me King Troll and impossible. So who made who? Because I’m certain I wouldn’t have been believed.

Other ideas instead of inflated stats:

1. More cosemetics, tons more, City of Heroes more. You continuously get new pieces you can mix and match, like dye, but even more.

2. You hunt for skills like GW1. They are balanced with one another like LoL. So it’s not a #’s benefit, but things to tinker with and like better.

3. Keep everything in the open world and make it more lively day by day. Make that a world no one can compete with. All zones worthwhile, if it’s even an event that runs daily in one zone, then the next day another zone runs the big DE. Have 1/2 off nights at rotating cities.

There isn’t a mmo that I’ve played where I haven’t said to myself. “Instead of making more land mass to do the same basic things. Take what you have and add more interactivity.” To me Gameplay=Interaction. Not just more of the same.

Why can’t pubs be a place to gather where we can sit down at, a table chat pulls up and we can play cards like Pogo, but be in GW2 and hang that way? Perhaps that is the process on how you get a team to run a dungeon. But just keep adding interactive content to the backdrop you already have, don’t make more of that, you keep spreading everyone out.

As a wise man said just but yesterday. If GW2 is going to be about loot, well my friend there are much better mature options out there right now, it was offering something unique in that category, aka “the hook”.

OP… Maybe Arenanet is trying to show us that virtual stuff isn’t worth putting time and money into. I think they might be right on.

I’m not sure I break it down to a second chance. My plan is to play this casually, meaning I’m going for 100% map completion as my first goal and possibly only goal, I’m leveling a couple players as I play with different groups. If there is something more for me at the time map completion is done, then I’ll stick around longer, if not I’ll see what the expansion looks like and decide then and move on to something else. Satisfied. If I make it close to map completion I will be satisfied, I’ve paid the same for much less already.

In regards to those that were very hurt by the changes, to me why would words change it? They are upset at the change and it’s affect. Words don’t change that. If you hate vert progression, if they apologized for it but still keep it, words in a case like that don’t matter. You now have 100’s of hours in front of you of something you don’t like. Those words will fade much faster then that.

This doesn’t change my view that I hate dungeons in GW2, pretty much from A to Z. Funny thing is my fav mmo is DDO and was all dungeons, it’s just how they do them in GW2 and how it also affects other bigger parts of the game.

Ualtar.5047:

There are people that are to invested in their hate now. They have gotten themselves to worked up, and said to much to admit they were wrong. This is the kind of thing that causes parents and children to not speak for decades, and what causes generational wars. Here it is just a computer game, but it is the same principle.

Perhaps some have, I don’t think that vaguely fits that many. Nothing has changed for anyone to change their stance that I’m aware of.

There are 3 of us in two different parts of the country, we are being disconnected a lot as well the last two nights.

arcaneclarity.5283:

The problem is, Guild Wars 2’s itemization is horrible and lacks in comparison to any modern MMO. If one wants to gear grind, there are options out there that do gear grind better.

Now that is fact, they really can’t even compete and we all thought they weren’t trying to compete, so it was all good.

Karizee.8076:

Also, a vocal minority cannot overtake Reddit, they would get downvoted to oblivion.
Valid concerns of the majority of players will naturally rise to the top.

Would you say their concerns there are pretty much in line with those stated at the Official Forum for GW2 here?

Here is what I’m getting. I’m doing my map completion with my little band, then will come back in a year. They plan to touch basically everything with a fairly heavy hand it seems and I know this will take a lot of time. Can’t wait to see what GW2 2.0 looks like.

Valhallen.1693:

I’ll probably never “quit”, since you can’t really quit a game with no subscription fee

Almost all games in my life I quit and they didn’t have subs. I know your line is said a lot, I just don’t buy it.

Panda Shepard.1248:

ProphetSword.5427:

What I used to do in GW2:
- Enjoy the content
- Explore the world
- Make friends
- Participate in dynamic events
- Level my characters

What I do now in GW2:
- Enjoy the content
- Explore the world
- Make friends
- Participate in dynamic events
- Level my characters

Hmmm….seems like nothing has changed for me.

This is me exactly! Except dynamic events would be a couple higher. I love those things.

Yup, same. And that is where the game should focus non-stop on. That and it’s PvP is what GW’s 2 is, not dungeon grinding, imo.

There should be loads of content and new things added to the open world, nearly non-stop. I heard there were supposed to be mini games in towns?

All zones need a reason for top level people to go to regularly. All cities need a reason for top level people to go to regularly. You would think they would be so emotionally invested in the world they built, to the point they want all that work and talent to be used all the time and not a one run through trip never to be seen again. They have to sit there sometimes and think “why did we build all of this?”. I dunno.

tigersrule.5309:

Don Zardeone.8730:

Do away with servers and just have districts like in GW1.

This messes up wvw but…

Turn wvw into house vs house. Guilds can join a house that fights for a deity or purpose or whatever. 3 houses fight on the battlefield. There is a maximum of houses set by the game (as many as there are servers now)
Every guild is randomly assigned a house and can swap houses for an amount of influence every 14 days (swapping loses all upgrades). Add limitations like capping the membercount of each house (like servers seem to have when they go full)

There we go, no more having to try out servers, maps are relatively filled now and there is no need to worry about server transfers since there are none.

yeah, but then people not in guildes cant play

There are ways to figure out that problem, one way could be that they go on the side that is losing, in hopes to balance. But I do like the suggestion above, I think bringing everyone together and figuring out a new way to make WvWvW without separate servers would be great. I’d even put the WvWvW on the PvE map and have it just another zone, the center of the map would have been ideal. Not that I think we’ll see it.

Galen Grey.4709:

We keep thinking that a small minority wanted vertical progression but it could also be that unfortunately the majority of the people just cant play a horizontal game like we do ! If you dont get a sense of wonder exploring, enjoying the art and experiencing stories what is there left for you to do in a horizontal progression game? If you cant enjoy a really beautifully crafted dynamic event chain, will you enjoy a skin that gives you no better stats?

I snipped a lot for everyone’s sake. Well I don’t have #‘s to give you on who likes horiz or vert, but it still goes against everything they been selling fans and if you didn’t like horiz, you bought the wrong game from the start. How do you make a game for 5+ years, say the same thing over and over and in a few months change it that fast? Even if the #‘s bore it out, that is a lightning quick design change, they seemingly didn’t even attempt to keep it horizontal. Typically the forces of change like that are: Money crunch, change in design leadership or a call from above.

I actually held off buying GW2 for a couple of months, I was one that didn’t feel it was ready, I actually got in because my son got it for his birthday, so I jumped in. The games handling to me never felt like GW1, I just recently found out two founders and a lead designer of GW1 were not on the GW2, that explained all I needed to know there. What I do find is the best open world game I’ve played, so I am enjoying my time, I would say if they needed to make a big change fast, they should have looked at the games strengths and strengthened them more. Even though the open world is great, we all can imagine it even better and guess what, that would have continued building community and not separation.

And the broken record I am, they should have gone for tons more unique looking gear to go for and not better stat’d gear. All would have stayed in line.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Silentstorm.7531:

Just because you don’t agree with a subject. Why because I called people whining care bears? For one whining itself is care bear regardless of the subject people should man up.

So, when GW2 actually looked like it was following its manifesto, and a subset of the players complained about no endgame because they sped-run their way through everything, that was also whining, and they should have just manned up. You cannot have it both ways. Guess what, they didn’t just man up and shut up, and there has been a change. So, there is a precedent for complaints getting responded to.

Solid point. They could have been told, “hey we told you how this game was going to be and you just ignored that and ran the content at light-speed and now you get what you sow. We aren’t changing our vision we’ve had during the entire development of GW2, for a % of power gamers”. Or simply “Man-up”, meaning shut up and take it like you take everything else. That one works both ways.

plasmacutter.2709:

Horrorscope.7632:

Op that got to political for me on this forum even though it was pretty good…

I think there are two choices for the game. Have progressive stats or have tons of gear variations in terms of looks. Since one of GW’s things was horizontal vs vertical in stats, the game should have had 1000’s of variations in equipment look. That would be the carrot and yes you do need one for many playing a mmo. But a looks slanted view doesn’t imbalance the game but still adds nice re-playability for many. Looks also give an individual their unique look which I’ve found in many mmo’s players prefer. In GW2, it’s pretty basic, too basic.

Having neither is pretty darn boring, the game borders on being boring in these two areas. Even though there is progression, it’s not amazing and all about that. Even though there are different looks, there aren’t that many.

I counted at least 25 different, coherent armor sets for light armor alone, and ANet made commitments to expand upon those.

BTW: there are not much more than that in WoW for clothies (please don’t count re-colors of the same skin…).. and that’s a 10 year old game with 4 major expansions.

And WoW is all about progression in stats, so they have that. GW’s needs its thing and from what I gather a number of buyers believed it wouldn’t be stat progression.

Op that got to political for me on this forum even though it was pretty good…

I think there are two choices for the game. Have progressive stats or have tons of gear variations in terms of looks. Since one of GW’s things was horizontal vs vertical in stats, the game should have had 1000’s of variations in equipment look. That would be the carrot and yes you do need one for many playing a mmo. But a looks slanted view doesn’t imbalance the game but still adds nice re-playability for many. Looks also give an individual their unique look which I’ve found in many mmo’s players prefer. In GW2, it’s pretty basic, too basic.

Having neither is pretty darn boring, the game borders on being boring in these two areas. Even though there is progression, it’s not amazing and all about that. Even though there are different looks, there aren’t that many.

I heard two sides here. How do I know which one is the minority or not? Math says one side has to be, unless it’s a tie and then both sides are right.

There is a chain for the DE you are describing and several other events do have chains. Some start right after one finishes, some have time between them and we don’t stick around to find that out.

Here is a list of events with chains, I don’t even think this is totally complete:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Meta_event

mosspit.8936:

I dont get why we have to set up restrictions or even put up “punishments” for skipping mobs? Right now you have the CHOICE to skip trash mobs or otherwise. Why do you want to control how ppl play that much?

It’s up to the devs. If they really meant or wanted you to do everything to get credit, they should add those requirements to completion of a dungeon. DDO struggled with this, people would find ways around everything, exploit. They started making quests have to kill at least X, put in alerts that if you skipped baddies, the dungeon level would heighten and toughen. In the end they have all types of dungeons now, and thee top players will always look for the edge to take advantage of any slip up.

So to answer you, if the game doesn’t stop you, then what can anyone even do? For every flower sniffer there is a max’er. The two don’t mix well.

SirMirex.8543:

Okay, I hope this gets ArenaNets attention… it’s something that utterly pisses me off when going for groups in dungeons.

A lot of people ask to “skip” various parts of dungeons for the sake of “saving time”… why do I find this annoying? ArenaNet has made content there for you to enjoy so, how can you enjoy content when you are skipping it? To me it seems dungeons now only have the ultimate goal of obtaining the dungeon tokens, that’s it. For that reason, it’s seems that dungeons are just an obstacle of insane repetitiveness to gain the goodies; dungeon armor.

That happened a lot in DDO to. It all became about XP/min and loot. So for many only a very small % of content would be played, all max, all the time to them. I think you get that when you have 24/7 servers and some people that are obsessed with playing hours per day, year after year.

Neverwinter is now struggling with this in development to, how to make all the rewards equal so there isn’t a reason to only do A and B and never C and D.

Personally I will never be a maxer, I don’t veg in a game, I have much smaller gaming windows, get bored hammering the same thing over and over. I’m for the status quo, but in addition to… if there were some way to add server instances that run a few hours per day a few times per week, boy would I be there. That would be a huge huge step forward for games like this and players like me. Who plays monopoly, goes to work while others continue playing, then come home to find out they’ve been lapped 10 times and feel ok with it? No traditional gaming is based on that gross imbalance.

So when people state, the community doesn’t talk much, support much. Well… we are all on different levels. Since it never stops, I get my own little band together and play these huge open worlds like a small coop game, which breeds the lack of community to some level. Why do I do this? Because there is too much everything else going on that I can’t put my arms around it all. So we just go on our little way as if others are nothing more than smarter NPC’s.

To Guild Wars credit, they really did something right with Open World venturing that has made me take notice. It does allow strangers to play a much more real part in our own group when venturing the open lands. I hope other dev teams see it and this becomes the new norm with then their own spin on it. How this game is designed and how it executes, dungeons aren’t even needed and perhaps more trouble then their worth. This game would be just as healthy if not more if there weren’t dungeons, just continuous improvements to open world.

15 to 60 min between them all.