Guild Wars 2

Nokaru.7831:

If the tank minimizes movement, Elementalist can perform very well. Many tanks are running all over the place in the first phase when they don’t need to for example. They also can move more predictably in the second and third phase to make uptime on elementalist damage much higher.

Because the auto attack hurts. Seekers hurt. And the friggin blue AoE teleports you away if you don’t dodge it properly. In the later phase, you have to be on your toes quite a bit because of the blue orbs and the laser floor. Getting rooted sucks. Also good luck on not getting aggro.

Reapers are gonna suck less than Staff ele at that fight

So last night I did a raid in NA with a couple of PvP friends. In fact, only me in the group is a tryhard PvE hero. We were able to down the Raid boss to 33% with some 2minutes left. We had a Tempest (me) and a Daredevil while the rest is a mixture of a Guardian, Berserker/Warriors, Chrono, Revenant/Heralds, Engi/Scrappers. Somehow, I got the aggro almost 100% of the time. I feel that with the chaos of the fight, playing staff is really taxing on top of having to kite the boss around. There are very few times I was able to pull out a couple of AoE burst. On the other hand, Tempest feels far more mobile. I played with Rabid gears, a bit of toughness really goes a long way for sustain the collision against the Seeker. Besides Tempest traits/utils have good synergy with the condi/tanky role: plenty of damage reduction, high boon uptime, a lot of dodge, Rebound as AED or Elemental for extra damage, plenty of blast on top of engi water field. I was able to consistently pull 5k Burn/3k Bleed per tick while kiting and up to 10k/5k Bleed Burn when bursting on top of Boon share and generally being quite healthy without the need of dedicated healer.

Looking back, we only have 1 ventari healer, 2 condi classes and a bunch of hybrids or glassy zerker specs in Vamp runes. We splitted 3 at Red, 3 at Blue and 4 at Green and always managed to kill three of them at the same time. We could have made some serious progress if it wasn’t like 3-4 am for some of us and fatigue started kicking in.

The split bosses requires some CC to bring them down after their HP reaches zero. I can see thief/Daredevil can make a short work of them.

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Iris Ng.9845:

Dear Diary,

Today I realize that my favorite 2 x (PS War, Guard, Staff ele, Chrono, Herald’s) group comp is falling out of meta.

Our team comp was 3 reapers, 2 heralds, 2 druids, 2 chrono’s, one guard.

Our biggest mistake was the reapers. They are still bottom tier DPS and DPS is where we suffered most. We just couldn’t do enough damage to get the boss below 50%.

We made it to phase 2 every attempt, even almost cleared phase 2 once, but our dps was not enough to burst down the individual bosses fast enough. I think in future runs if we make sure we don’t have any necros we should have enough dps to get further. If we swapped out the necros/reapers for sinister engineers I think we probably would have had enough time.

I thought the encounter was sufficiently challenging, with a good mix of mechanics, hp, and situational awareness required. Random PUGS’s won’t clear it, and organized pugs may clear it once the best class comp is known.

I am right when I said that I should wait until raid becomes farm-status.

Where did you get that post from? Because I really don’t want that first part to be true. Or was it the setup you guys actually went for?

From someone who seems experienced in the Raid Boss fight.

Dear Diary,

Today I realize that my favorite 2 x (PS War, Guard, Staff ele, Chrono, Herald’s) group comp is falling out of meta.

Our team comp was 3 reapers, 2 heralds, 2 druids, 2 chrono’s, one guard.

Our biggest mistake was the reapers. They are still bottom tier DPS and DPS is where we suffered most. We just couldn’t do enough damage to get the boss below 50%.

We made it to phase 2 every attempt, even almost cleared phase 2 once, but our dps was not enough to burst down the individual bosses fast enough. I think in future runs if we make sure we don’t have any necros we should have enough dps to get further. If we swapped out the necros/reapers for sinister engineers I think we probably would have had enough time.

I thought the encounter was sufficiently challenging, with a good mix of mechanics, hp, and situational awareness required. Random PUGS’s won’t clear it, and organized pugs may clear it once the best class comp is known.

I am right when I said that I should wait until raid becomes farm-status.

Gabe, you don’t have to play druid if you don’t like to. No one’s happy when you’re not happy either

We could make do with blasting water, vampiric aura and passive regen. Tom had swapped to cele the second time specifically for healing and we did great.

It ends at Noon (PST), today. I tried to grab u last night but u weren’t online.

Anyone wanna join a Raid attempt in EU with me and deSade’s group at last minute?

Rad was one hella fun. I love it!

Just did the Aetherblade path 2 hours ago. It didn’t seem to be bugged for my group.

You need to let the first ooze killed. The elementals always aggro on the ooze first, then the nearest players. Pull them after they kill the oozes.

Remember, the Ooze can’t be knocked back, launched or pulled, but they can be feared. The Elementals are susceptible to every crowd control effect. If possible, group the elementals up, blind and cleave them asap before they aggro on the oozes (600 range).

After you kill all of them, it would take around 30 seconds for the next wave to spawn, enough to guide the oozes through safely without getting immobilization.

Spoj-chan is the best when it comes to Necro.

Take a moment and read his guide: http://dulfy.net/2014/06/30/gw2-necromancer-pve-guide-by-spoj/

dlonie.6547:

Heh, what a crazy weekend.

TIL:

Zaroua.2714:

NikeEU.7690, Pandabro.8743, Laggo.8973, Purple Miku.7032, HwaRyun.1807, TheFamster.7806, Brimstar.9036 and Zui.9245 all give off white knight vibes.

I nearly fell out of my chair laughing at a couple of those.

Inb4 “illiterate whiteknighting” :^)

You see, there are a couple of posters I have stop bothering. You won’t get anywhere with whom will not listen to reasons.

Spoj-chan,

I told you so. It seems not simple with a few workaround after all.

Shhhh…. shhh…..

spoj.9672:

Im not saying i disagree with the devs decision. Just pointing out it never completely locked us out of anything until they actually disabled it. Some would certainly prefer trying to work with a broken system than not playing at all. Its a valid opinion.

I was just clarifying what Wizeon meant. Dont assume i agree with him.

Not really spoj.

I couldn’t enter the Raid instance before they disable the Squad UI. Then after they implemented the temporary fix, tagging up made me unable to log into the game for twenty minutes. When I logged into the game, I could not join my friend instance (open world shards, fractals, COE, any). We had to re-make the group a couple of times, and finally after we all had to refresh out client one more time after the patch and I had to remake my beta character, we were able to do some… fractals.

I couln’t fathom what kind of workaround I would have to pull to be able to do raid. Maybe a 5-man group? Since squad was broken.

It’s regrettable that we can’t test raid during this beta weekend.

#BelieveInTheRaidTeam
#NoPressure
#CookiesSlashCoffeeAlwaysAvailable
#HaveSomeRest
#StillBelieve

Does Rebound work for glassy eles?

I think the message is either you beef up sustain or maximize your burst. A full glass ele probably doesn’t have much to kite the boss easily in a solo setting. A group with 7 glass ele? Better get him down before he hurts. DPS check, maybe?

They are not bosses. Their profile status means nothing, really: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Thoughts-on-the-Tutorial-Trash/first#post5565429

They seem to be random at the moment, spoj.

It was in your combat log that you evaded and blocked the Magic Aura. If it’s his auto attack and it has no range, it could be used to prevent people kite him forever and cheese him. Your heal can’t be up forever, right? Also, it’s far from the rumored Unavoidable damage, isn’kitten

800 is quite a lot for background damage. Do we miss any hidden mechanics? Hmm… It seems that you can evade and block it too, so it’s unlike agony damage and some canon damage.

I wonder if it’s okay to not able to pull the guardians separately. Together, they could pose some challenges instead of the following scheme:
- Pull one
- Get the right set of build, solo that one
- Get out of combat
- Change builds and gears – (I hate the ideas of lugging many gears and that also eliminates the need for different classes/roles)
- Pull the second
- Rinse and Repeat

Most boss duo whom we have seen so far have a decent pressure to the players like Molten Duo, Sparki and Slick. Each boss itself is quite simple to solo, but together, they make it more interesting, right?

Also, I didn’t see anyone use Rebound. Why not? Impossible to time it right?

@Spoj: I would love some voice-over cues. Or even the classic blinking big red text “Danger!”, “Incoming Threat!”, etc. before the massive one-shot over the light ball of a boss.

Maybe you should change the title of your thread to : Green Guardian Difficulty instead of RGB

A… Adam?… I’m sorry I didn’t recognize you. Have you gained a little weight during the past few weeks?

Well, if it’s easy, doesn’t it feel… wrong to spend 30 minutes on one trash? Let’s say you spend the whole night to raid with your friends, the first easy trash mob could be used as a warm up, or a DPS check even. You could spend between 2 to 10 minutes to burst it down then tune your party setup a bit for either more DPS or not. I don’t know, dlonie. It is like the Spider Queen. You can either spend 5 minutes to solo it (kiting-easy!) or your group kills it in 10 seconds. Should the Spider Queen be appropriately harder for a 5-man party?

I think Time is a challenging constraint here. You wouldn’t want to spend way too much time on one encounter and have to organize the same raid party for many nights later to finish the whole wing.

That said, I support your idea of shaking up the Green Boss a bit. He seems a bit of sponge-bob, err, I mean high-HP and dull boss.

I was just able to log back in. Good luck, guys!

Settler’s guard :p

My point is, there should be a mix of both types of damage in a well designed encounter. That’s why I listed “Boss with evades” in one of the assumptions

Taku.6352:

dlonie.6547:

Hmm, all this talk of crippling has me interested…sounds as if crippling a certain boss makes them more powerful.

Ah, got it! Did you guys give a boss a pre-nerf FGS? :P

They just slapped in a few teragriffs and made them gain 25 might from being crippled.

Not funny =__=

If you manage to unload Confusion and Torment? Yum!

Something like 100 blades doesn’t have damage up front

Eh, don’t you want to save it to dip in your tears after the raid?
I’ll make it extra sweet just in case…

I still ask them to drop it for my poor mesmer :’(

Bank your sweet +10, +15, +20 agony infusion as well, just in case

Good job, dlonie. You are now admitted to my deep-fried oreo party!
/hand out cookie

In before bosses are immune to Burning damage :p (Actually I hope not, because they are all plants! They ought to be flammable). Have you guys tried a bleed build? You can stack 50 stacks of bleed in one burst and it’s as sweet as the burning build.

deSade.9437:

I’m gonna play ranger anyway, suck it up.
And I’d love to have a good reaper in party to control adds, give sustain while being tanky, and deal good damage on top of boon/condi control.

Did you hire Spoj yet? :^)

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Iris Ng.9845:

• Evade doesn’t avoid condi damage…

This is a fairly common misconception. Evades avoid condition damage exactly how they avoid direct damage. direct damage is applied immediately, condition damage is applied over time, but dodging a direct attack is the same as dodging a condition application, they both stop the same amount of damage from being applied.

Unfortunately, in addition to all the normal counterplay, conditions can also be cleansed before they deal their damage, leading to overall lower dps for condition specs in almost all cases.

Hopefully in raids bosses have higher base toughness so that condition specs can at least be competitive.

Let’s say some boss has a multiple evade frame skill (like, revenant) and activates it during your burn. He will evade all the direct damage during that time but the condition damage already applied to him still tick. Is that rewording fair enough?

Wow, I’m super hyped for raids now. Nice to meet you Crystal!

laokoko.7403:

Tierce.5370:

On topic: OP is just asking. It doesn’t make anyone selfish, self-centered, or entitled to make what reads to me as a polite request.

What if… I want spoilers.

I keep asking for game of throne spoilers and everyone in like “no no. Dont’ tell me.” As someone who isn’t very literate, I can’t understand the book, but would like to know the story before watching the tv show.

Show Spoiler

hide spoiler

oh ya, my friend tell me Jon Snow end up coming back as a white walker next season and become the leader of the white walker

Why do you do this to me?
o___o!!!

I will find you and I will… kitten you.

1 hour of booster and sit in one spot farming Pocket Raptor. It is a very fast way to gain experience

Other than that you can try running around and shamelessly tag event trains. Not remember whether Adventure gives u any EXP.

One more cheese tactic is to do fast map completions (hero point only for normal maps or simply log in for city maps), then go to Verdant Brink and open all the bouncy chests.

bladex.9502:

I can’t keep myself from clicking videos about raids, so nobody should be able to enjoy videos about raids, even if they want to.
I’m sorry but this is just extremely selfish and self-centered

Obviously I’m an extremely selfish and a self-centered person who has to forbid everybody else to play the game or even enjoy watching it in anyways because I ask others not to post completion videos in the forum and on reddit during the beta weekends. Let me tell you one more truth about me: I murdered every single friends of mine who went to watch a movie before I was able to in order to prevent them from spoiling anyways.

I’m well aware of obvious spoilers and of course can stop myself from reaching out to those. However, there are substantial precedents of cleverly disguised text that leads to some videos just to prove a point in a discussion. For example: Lupi is too hard, I should try better [link] to a one-shot video. Of course on the internet I can’t read all the tones and sarcasms, or maybe even the subtle excitement to show off to steer myself from all the hidden link.

The reason I’m asking for not posting the completion videos – I’m not against streaming in anyways – is because it gives out the thought process over the organization, team comp and maybe even strategies to overcome a certain challenge to a certain extent of success. On the other hand, as dlonie suggested, streaming is a nice, alternative way to showcase the raid encounter live. There are much trials and errors involved during the process. People are watching live stream for the information and spoilers anyways – and people like me can stay away from it safely.

Also, once the solution is spoiled in the big venues like forum or reddit, talk will circulated to even in game and it’s just so hard to close my eyes against all the ready information.

@Top players: in the end, it’s up to the you to keep your videos unlisted or public. You have my thanks if you decide to listen to my request. For the better service to the community, how’s about announcing your streaming plan here and direct people who are interested in watching raids to your channels instead? I’m sure it can keep both sides happy.

Pukc.6328:

I have a question….. What if the bosses strip profession buffs? Banners, spirits, and empower like traits?

“Well, then we die or we bow down to our new overlords.”

- Interdisciplinary Accessium

Greetings,

This weekend comes with the first time ever we are able to try out the new Raid content. My plea to our beloved top players and elite guilds to refrain from posting your World First completion video on the public venues like the forum and reddit during this weekend. I’m personally very excited about the encounter and would love to figure my way out the encounters without getting spoilers unavoidably (I’m an avid forum and reddit reader and a very curious cat). Let us try our best wholeheartedly and relive the moment of first timers to a challenge without any direct guidance. That said, you guys are free to post your amazing feat when the beta weekend is over. It would brew up some really nice discussion and feedback.

If this plea reaches you – top players, I thank you very much for your understanding.

P.S. Please be kind and tag [Spoilers] on your bug and glitch reports. I totally understand that those issues need to be addressed asap but they may still be some minor spoilers for the rest of us. Anyhow, have a blast!

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Iris Ng.9845:

My opinions

Your setup assumes:

• All attacks are blockable or semi-blockable or reflect-able (unlike burning dart,

Well staff Eles can block those attacks with Earth ele so there should be no need for a facetank nomads player

Try summon your earth ele against Sparki or Alphard during those phases and then report the result. No, you don’t need a nomad to face tank. It’s a simple mechanic to pressure you to break combat. Whatever strategy you come up with to fill up that down time is up to you though.

Similarly, no one stares at the Clockheart blankly doing nothing when he goes to invuln either. You either kite him to the Holographic or pull the Holographic to him to break his invuln state. Guess which way is faster? who does the better pull job? Who can guarantee that those side puzzles aren’t present in raids?

ZudetGambeous.9573:

OK lets look at some of these:

If boss moves or has invuln phases then we will need to do even more dps during burn phases to beat it before enrage timer. Comp stays the same, locks out lower dps classes even more than before

Listed comp can break a break bar exactly the same as any comp including the other classes can. Break bar even easier with listed comp due to 4 IB’s giving almost 20s of break bar reduction.

If I can’t block attacks then prot uptime and healing becomes even more important. This may let me swap out a single guard for a druid, but that is just trading prot uptime for healing, no net gain unless for specific gimmicks.

Can stack boons on the move, none of these builds require everyone to stay in a single spot for more than a few seconds.

You can’t hard rez in raids so you will only be soft rezzing. Reinforces the need for 2 warriors and sticking close for buffs/healing.

High toughness boss is the one thing that could change team comp significantly here. I would swap out an ele for a sinister engineer, and a guard for a reaper maybe if this was the case. Might be able to take a venom share condition thief as well.

Moving or stationary doesn’t change much comp wise.

Bosses can’t be kited with those things in any game mode now or ever so not sure what you are implying here

If a boss can evade it can evade all classes, no effect on team comp, favors high dps comp due to enrage timer

This team comp has high condition cleanse and high stability, making it ideal for high CC bosses. Other classes like reaper have very little stability making them even worse for these encounters

If boss has quickness we have 2 chronos who can quickly strip it off. Good thing I took this team comp and not a bad one.

So yes, thank you for reinforcing why we need to exclude those other classes.

In according response:

• You look out for highest burst classes, not highest DPS classes if burning window is too short in comparison to the whole length of the encounter. Does alacrity become necessary when your burst already comes off CD for the next burning phase?

• Breakbar has its own staying duration. 5 sec, 10 sec, 20 sec? No one knows. Will your team be in the right position to coordinate Deep Freeze in a small windows? Don’t forget the cast time and the arrow’s velocity.

• Protection uptime (guardian) depends on melee up time.

• Moving means that a lot of classes which are rooted by their burst cannot complete their DPS rotation all the time. Boss moving out of your AoE burst also has the same effect. Imagine if your ele had to DPS during the cannon phase of Mai Trin, or during the Poison Rain attack of Bloomhunger without that attach being blockable.

• Remember the centaur boss with Dodgy crowd?

• When I say boss cannot be kited, I imply boss directly teleport to you or pull you, forcing dodge or defense, stopping DPS. A certain Tegariff comes to mind…

• Evade doesn’t avoid condi damage…

• Stability is now stacked or pulsing, so it’s not a fool proofed against highly frequent CC up time. Shocking Aura or Foreman’s spinning attack comes to mind. Reaper has little stability but while they are CC’d like everyone else, their passive/well damage still do half the work.

• Cool, you have two chrono for boon strip. Then how do you build for damage, team support, block, reflect, defiant stripping, condi cleanse all at the same time?

• Did I mention boss can block or reflect attacks?

You hire a new coder.

@Donari: pop an XP booster and go farm some Pocket Raptor

Can Paul or Bobby pass the mic to Byron?