Guild Wars 2

Stooperdale.3560:

CoE isn’t a bad dungeon and has plenty of good/fun features but it isn’t run that often. It looks great. Ignore the typical forum chatter saying that everything is easy and anyone who doesn’t find everything easy should learn to play. CoE is one of the dungeons that will eat you and spit you out if you don’t know the tactics. Plenty of groups go into CoE with partial knowledge of tactics and still find it pretty hard. Specific reasons why people don’t go into CoE might be:

- the gate can be contested and you can lose 15-30 minutes opening it
- there’s a jumping puzzle and that’s trivial for some and impossible for others
- Subject Alpha – repeated boss who is different on each path – a tough boss
- plenty of champions who are not difficult but have way too much health
- puzzle/tactic bosses that can take a long time to get right
- runs take longer than the fastest paths elsewhere
- experienced players can’t keep new players alive

1. The gate contesting can be avoided by having players guest around, and find a open server. Much like COF runs are done atm.

2. The jumping puzzle requires 2/5 members to be across the lasers. A far cry from the 3 , at the same time, that COF requires. Again, this puzzle can be trivilized by a mesmer who has portal.

3. Yes, hes tough arguably. I used to dread CoE. He still kills me after 100+ runs. The key is pure dps, since he 1hits, you m ust burst him down ASAP. Most players are more ranged/defensive oriented and are using bad specced gear on him

4. Most champions can be skipped or avoided. Imo, its not skipping, if you dont aggro it to start. I.E. Champ Icebrood, Skippable and let spire run past. I.E. Champion abomination after bomb room, Avoidable, let him pass by. I,E, Champion Destroyer Crab – Skippable by running and not standing in her Lava AOE

5. Yes, tactics can be hard to communicate to newer teams. Even when I explain things p[eople dont listen. However its not much different then CM P2 Bomb Part or COF P3 Torch Part etc.. Nothing “harder” than exisiting “Hard” content in other dungeons

6. It provides more loot though. Source: Farmed my legendary in coe alone w/some cursed shore (pre nerf). People who cant farm it properly, sorry your missing out bra!

7. True. So many times a player runs out of corner, unreachable by me. So many times I have them 9/10 Ressed and AOE hits and they die totally just 1 sec before I can res them. Its unforgiving.

You have some good points, but most are really players cant “run random builds, tactics, and need to learn to play”. Which is sad if thats what stopping people.

Warriors have a different ruleset than the general public.

Very interesting thread. I look forward to the developments. Is there a disparity? Or can the dev’s justify it somehow?!

Its a scam. Just got exact same message but for “Battle.net”.

Having Low HP Is a benefit, not a detriment. Would you guys rather try to heal 30k HP that drops with a pindrop? Or heal 12k that barley ticks, goes down slowly, doesnt take burst hits etc..

Id say with the guardians healing abilities, you would take the 12k pool. Something you can refill to maximum easily.

Ive never had a problem staying alive with the guardians current utitilies/skills and I run 0 Healing Power.

Personal opinions aside, since i use GS always, honestly, to call any warrior build “Low DPS” You have to be either a idiot, or have never used warrior before. Naked warriors could out DPS some other classes. Just becaues a warrior isnt critting 100b for 25k etc, doesnt mean their 10k burst is “bad dps”. Sure its not “Warrior potential highest” but compared to other classes, 10K IS GG.

Sawnic.6795:

Treadstone.2564:

I’m no expert, but it sounds like it’s not one person spamming the chat, but rather a variety of people all doing it independently and of their own volition.

Of course, if the method to win the giveaway is to send the text ‘123456789’ over and over and over again, then those who spam that phrase ARE spamming.

But if it’s just a guy saying “guess my age” and a dozen people take two or three guesses each, I don’t think they can be accused of all being spammers.

It’s one person inciting the rest to spam.

Your misinformed on what spam is. Remember, GW has a spam filter in place. If someone meets the spam defintion, it would of triggered. If not, your being oversensitive than Anets own filter, which makes no sense. If he incites them to spam, the filter would kick in when they meet Anets legal definition of Spam. If he somehow tells them an exploit to bypass the Spam filter to Spam, you have a case.

Theres a way to be a tank and DPS at the same time. I am incredibly tanky due to the use of some utilities + traits, also while allowing myself to wear some decent power/precision armor. Dont force yourself into trinity roles : DPS, Healer, Etc… Guardian is well rounded. You should DPS and support

Falunel.7645:

You could save up Laurels to buy an Ascended accessory from the Laurel vendors, and then buy a Simple Infusion from the Fractal Relic merchant. That will give you +5 AR, which actually helps quite a bit. (EDIT: though I read your post again, oops. No, there’s no other way.)

Otherwise, it is very possible to just fight the Maw at level 10 with no AR. You just have to stand somewhere safe in case you get downed and heal yourself as much as possible. That’s the only situation in which Agony is unavoidable- for other bosses, you just have to be good at dodging.

Id like to see anyone besides the most seasoned of pro’s dodge the Lava Bird’s Agony Arrow always. To say a total newcomer to fotm (If you have 0 ar you are) can simply “dodge agony on all other ocasssions” is a true, but highly unlikely.

Secondly, the bosses also can trig agony if you melee, if he is a melee class, he will get agony way easier. To dodge agony on per say, Captain Ashym, he would be forced into ranged combat.

This is also assuming he makes perfect use of endurance, and for lets say Dredge Suit end boss, where you need to double dodge everytime to avoid agony, if he dodged 1 time before that, he would be applied agony.

Sure its POSSIBLE, but your team will be 1. carrying you 2. you will be burdening them slightly if you die

Defianatly doable, but why make the game harder for yourself?

My core team which ranges from

4 Wars / 1 Mes
5 Warriors
4 Wars/ 1 Guard

Kills Alphas is under a minute, under 2 minutes maximum for end Alphas.

Its just zerker warriors flock to COF, but round em up for COE and you have similar results

Nuka Cola.8520:

and why would u even bother with coe in 2013?

Im guessing you either

1. Dont have a legendary
2. Have a low-tier legendary such as “Moot”

Ruby orbs all the way in everything

same. the only one close is slave driver and 1 encournter = nerf everythin?!?

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Not to rain on your parade, but when fighting an enemy with 25 stacks of vulnerability while having 25 stacks of might, any DPS heavy build can hit that hard, regardless of class.

Totally wrong. You have no idea what your talking about. The misinformation in your post is oozing out everywhere. Contain yourself please. Any DPS heavy build wont hit 18k. Source: 6 level 80 alts in zerker gear ascended.

he hit me in the lava and i couldnt get back up for the team to res me during the whole fight. i had to wat till the end. why do other bosses have a net like evolved destroyer, this one should too. i was behind him and it hit me back with its whirl and it pushed me in lava

7 level 80’s. warrior is my favorite by miles.

Rising Dusk.2408:

People underestimate Thieves and Necromancers heavily in fractals. Both have very valuable roles in stealth/blind/offensive support. You’ll never move as fast in the Dredge fractal as you can with a Necromancer and a Thief, for instance, one to strip permanent Protection in an aoe, and one to solo stealth the parts that call for it. Fractals is not about bashing your face into the brick wall that is enemies all the time, and it rewards thinking outside the box. These classes may be harder to play well, but are extremely rewarding to the team that utilizes their talents.

Furthermore, Warriors may be nice, but they’re not required for any run to be smooth or as fast as possible. In my opinion, I will bring any class that is played well to L48 (or L79 if progressing). They are all meaningful when played effectively. Even Rangers have their share of valuable roles, such as Entangling the Grawl boss, or other such stuff. Pets getting AR is very valuable in high level fractals, because the dang pet can tank certain bosses fairly well.

tl;dr: Play what you want, and if you play it well you will be valuable.

This may be true. But regardless if your right and the rest of the community is wrong, the GW Fractal community disagrees with you. Facts aside, he wont get as many teams as necro/thief as Guardian/Mesmer. Doesnt matter even if they are golden, the pug mentality stands and you solo cannot change it as a whole. Maybe slowly over time, but the way FoTm stands, he will be best off as Mesmer/Guard/War

When you see each of the following Warrior Types what do you think: (PVE ONLY)

1. GS Zerker

2. Cleric Heal Shouts w/ Life Sigil

3. High Tuff/Vit Axe/Mace

4. Pure Hammer War (I have only seen once, a rare spectacle indeed)

5. Banner Regen with all 3 banners in utility + Warbanner

6. Bleed/Burn Longbow/1h Sword

Id list my reactions, but id perfer to comment on what the community thinks first before I let my thoughts be known.

Wall of Reflect, Shield of the Avenger (People, this is why your wanted in PvE) And either Signet of Judgement or Stand Your Ground. Meh.

Ive never seen a mesmer take priority over a guardian. guard> mes/war tied

Fastest/Most Efficient : Karma Vendors.

2nd Fastest/Most Efficient : SE P1/3 Runs on alts. (Path1 is fast, but must have reflects for one part or your team will die so I perfer p3 as it is more “anyclass”)

3rd Fastest: HotW/AC. HotW only has path1 thats fast, so its hard to get 60 tokens over and over since DR hits. AC takes ages and is difficult, but has 3 paths open to get tokens. Id go with choice 1/2, but if you must do choice 3.

-Or WvW badges like that guy said, but honestly these ways arent hard so I would save badges. From a person who doesnt WvW alot, badges arent easy to come by.

CoE. P3. Evolved Destroyer.

- Maybe three times out of lets guesstimate, 50 times I have fought time, he has used this AOE Knockdown that almost wipes the team. No its not a tooth. Its him. Its so incredibly rare I never think the incorporate any type of defense to counteract it. But every so often he will do this wierd leap thing where he splashes the floor and it just makes everyone scatter.

Anyone know what causes it, what it does, how to stop it or tell if he will use it etc..

Also My mesmer wants to steal his 25 might stacks to spread to team, but they dissipate often. What is the mechanics behind that?

I think he is pretty balanced post patch with the HP nerf. What does everything think of him now? Pre-Patch this guy used to be complained about just as much as Dwayana did so I am suprised at the lack of chatter now.

Seems like one of those “Easier said than done” things. Im going to chalk it up to that. Everyone has a ability, as you said Hippo, which can carry. However, certain people pulling it off, thats a different story. Everyone can post “My class does A,B,C, to carry”. In theory, it sounds great. On the battlefield, I think Results May Vary for some of these ideas/tactics.

Im at 2,863 hours across all characters. Not bored yet.

A big part of this game is meeting people, doing things with friends etc.

I also only PvE. I have done WvW for Map completion only, Dont do s/t PvP at all. With all 3, it would be too much.

Im all for more fun things, varied things, focused content to do. But by no means is the existing content lacking.

Nikaido.3457:

Rash.6514:

Then, your attacked friend will have to respawn and try again, now being the sole center of attention for all mobs.

Being the sole center of attention for the mobs is not an excuse for being unable to skip most things unless you’re playing a class like necromancer that has no access to invuln/block/vigor/endu regen. I’ve practiced soloing the skip in dungeons like arah on all my four lvl 80s, and except for the guardian, they’re all in berserker gear, so they can’t really take a lot of damage. I still solo skip fine.

I tend to waypoint back and help whenever I see a necromancer or ranger having trouble with the skip, but I don’t bother if it’s a war/mes/guard/thief, they can do it without assistance and should learn.

Im pretty sure it has to do with, any “Pro/Elite Speedclear Mob Skipping” player, would not use a Ranger/Necro to do dungeons with, since clearly their are higher DPS choices, which would make their skipping/clearing experience faster.

The first week of Guild Bounty’s you could get 4 commendations for that week, instead of 2. Also last month there was a laurel bug where people got an extra 10.

They are availible for tokens. Whats the issue? You want it for free? Poor you. He probaly realized there is no need to change it. Also forging 4 exotic runes (that you get commonly or for tokens) And having ability to get any exotic rune is Overpowered for the commonality of the exotic superior runes. They probaly realized this too.

Aphix.9846:

Necro, while everyone’s dieing in 2 hits im dealing massive dmg and ressing the party and kiting mob zergs, bra.

I have 7 level 80s. They all have the same gear (Zerker). They all have the same traits. (30/30/x/x/x). Necro doesn’t do massive damage compared to other classes. For a necro, it might be. But remember, the team isnt exclusive to your class. So I am doubting this claim on those grounds. Also how do you res while kiting? Is this a new thing? Stationary res yet kiting same time? I am jelly.

Cures.7451:

altough presented rather weird and unlikeable, the girl got a point: guards and warriors dps are nearly the same – walk over to gw2guru to look at the math (and people that actually got a clue of this game

what she actually wants to tell us (i guess) is the old guards are OP jazz – which is utterly boring.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Damage-Record-Thread

/Thread

Over 120k DPS in one cleave total. 50,655 DPS on single target. I LOVE WARRIOR

I suggest Jade Quarry. As long as your into WvW too

< One Happy Customer

You should search Dungeon forums for “ranger” and read ranger forums to base an broad opinion. Some of these classes might require additional things you might want to consider

In b4 dont play necro/ranger in pve

I have this thing, whenever I think in my head before the screen loads like " Ugh, dredge" or “….LAVA BIRD” it always is. Its like it seals the fate. anyone else have this

I wish I could of gone!

Its kinda fun to look back on what you posted a month ago and either still agree or disagree now. But yea, all these threads Im seeing are being bumped. Its OK, just kinda wierd when all the comments are pre-patch

Its faster to just wear zerker gear, farm guaranteed drops vs do low dps, take longer in runs hoping or that 1 magic item.

but claiming stealth buffs and updates makes us failers feel better about ourselfs c;

Hence, the term “trash” and hence the popular phrase “skip trash pls”

actually its known that people looking to power level start in cantha, not nightfall.

Nightfall is one of the longest campaigns to progress through, partly due to the requirement of attaining sunspear general before you can leave the continent.

secondly, thats the reason “Vabbi” runs were popular, which are now pretty much extinct, or absurd prices. you skip to vabbi by being ran because no one wants to do nightfall.

bad advice. only worse advice would be to start in propcies.

pros looking to power level/clear = cantha.

emikochan.8504:

Wethospu.6437:

Warrior, doesn’t matter whether team is alive or dead (preferably dead).

IWAY?

my ele and engineer keep people alive and tank mobs pretty well. dps isn’t everything :p

Im sure you heal through that 1 trash mob great, except your team could just hit their own heal skill and heal through it too. then on a boss or any hard mob, they die. your not doing them a favor

I partly agree with OP. I partly agree with Zyphent.

I had done several t3 bounties in the early days, as my guild unlocked them ASAP with 300G+ in influence.

Half Baked Komali? Joke. We owned him hard.

Fast forward to last week.

Half Baked Komali. OWNED US. OWNED. We started with about 8 on him, they needed help so we sent our guild, 20 people or so to come help. OWNED US. everyones dying. I spam healing seed pods to get rid of fire. Still. Only at 50 percent HP. couldnt kill him before timer.

Stealh buff imo.

I like your tactics, but I dont understand. So wait, he has stability, you need to remove it, then knockback once to remove fire shield? Please post more detailed tactics on how to beat him, it would be great.

Ok well I was new to warrior at the time and didnt understand endure pain totally.

What happened ( I think ) now is.

V Shape Attack Knocks Me Down
Somehow afterward agony gets applied to me and I take damage (But didnt notice the source of the damage)
I assumed the damage was from the V Shape attack since it knocked me down.
It might or might not of been from agony idk.

I see now using endure pain in other areas, that I get knocked down all the time.

Thank you for the clarification on 1. endure pain 2. other invuln skills from other classes

Direngrey.8376:

Bunmaster.9734:

I see many posts of getting griefed and such, but it never happened to me before. I have pugged pretty much all my dungeons and fractals. And so far i only kicked 2-3 players, because they were a kitten to the group.

Players tend to get irked when a complete stranger start giving advice on how to do stuff, regardless of your tone/intention. In their minds, you are being elitist and a kitten. Let your game speak for you and only give advice when asked for. Or if you must, after completing the dungeon.

^ This.

QFT. But honestly, ive been booted maybe 1-2 times total from groups. I could smell it coming a mile away too. Obvious was obvious. Theres so many times where there was so much tension, but still no kick.

I dont see how people get kicked so much. Either making it up or they do something totally absurd. I give people advice constantly.

I constantly give orders such as “Skip” “Dont attack this” “Pull here” “Equip defensive skills to make it through” . Never have been kicked for that

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

What if we give all of the trash mobs unicycles and clown suits so that they could chase after us when we run past them? I think that would make everyone happy. Just imagine those cute little Abominations in Arah wearing big red noses while being piled into a miniature clown car in hot pursuit.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm.

lol’d irl

More info is needed OP.

PVP aside since im not sure, I dont see why anyone would run a Guardian over a Warrior in anywhere else that IS NOT Arah (Strictly for the orrian turrets that blind) or FotM. Maybe SE p1 for the golems?

Granted, FoTm is a big part of the game, but I wouldnt call filling a niche role in 1 dungeon, “OP”

That being said I do think Guard is #2 player for pve. My order is
Warrior, Guard, Mes, >>>Doesnt matter. I have 7 level 80’s and my guard deals more DPS than any of them besides warrior. Idk how people call guardians low dps’ers. I guess if i use scepter, but most of the time I dont.

I feel bad for other classes (Engineers thinking they are good) but not because guardians are OP.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Lyndis.2584:

Out of all the classes, would you say ranger be the one you’d kick after the patch?

Then again, rangers were being kicked before patches, so I guess that’s a little redundant.

Will never kick any profession even rangers in any dungeon. However 2 is the absolute maximum I would ever take in every dungeon except COF p1. Sadly that is the same limit I would say for necros as well.

I did a 5 ranger run cof p1. Quite fun. Sure it wasnt SUPER FAST SPEED CLEAR. It wasnt slow either. Also, no wipes. 1-2 downs from slave driver. Dont think any during boss.