Guild Wars 2

Id like to try this, just for funzies, but getting those people, in that gear, in that stats…next to impossible

people will lie about builds
people will claim they dont have gear
people wont understand how to run it etc..

but that would be sooo cool to see a organized guild run this. post a vid if you get it!

i dont think the poster is asking for tips. hes pointing out the current mechanics and the problems with them. ofc its “Do-able” And its why he posted dont post l2p, similar to giving him baby guide of tips. He knows what to do, hes saying the way to implement and do all that stuff is not proper

Whenever I party for AC there is usually at least 1 low level person, if not more in the group unless its one of those special 80 only groups

So If my team gets stuck on a mob that we cant kill, your saying we should have to revert to the start, and lose our progress vs skipping that group after an hour of trying? No thanks.

^ no. Just did 2 cof back to back, DR’d. on 2 diff chars. happened 3 days ago also. What once was a week ago, is not necessarily today. Its been changed.

^ Pretty much indisputable. Skip Kholer in AC if your looking for ultra-ez. Skip bridge on CoF p1 for an easier run also

Imo, playing a guard and a war, guardians will never be able to match the damage of a warrior, so if slave driver dies too slowly, the wars die, and they will blame any non-warrior class. It is true though, but if not a 5 war team, they cant expect it to die as fast. Your build is good.

Healing and Vitality are some of the worst stats a guardian can pick. They can do wayyy more valuable things than just heal.

why would a warrior need defense?

If people skip kholer, I dont mind if they are level 1. If there is lower levels, bring a ice bow. If we fight Kholer or Troll, automatiically makes me want 80’s, warriors etc because its so painful usually.

20 minutes. Warrior, Necro, Ranger, Ele, Mesmer.

play how you want. dont feel like you have to do damage over support, the support is there for a reason. i know and see lots of wars running regen banners as its tier 6, better than most eles or they use heal shouts. i personally like to see 25k end burst from GS but as long as the person is a warrior, idc what gear or weapon they use as i know they will be doing better DPS than most other players. what i hate though is auto attack riflers when the enemy is very easy and you know they could be in melee and just sit at range auto attacking. as long as your active, it helps ALOT to be a warrior in a team

No amount of cripple, heals, chilled is going to save the team from ADD’s. Giving minor heals when mobs comparitive to damage being taken will not save anyone. Also, when have you guys EVER seen a team so balled up that a AOE heal would affect everyone? (Lava would pwn them) When have you EVER seen a symbol from guardian that the entire party stands inside? (Most play ranged damage) How would one even know the engi is about to throw a elixir if you dont say it over VoiP? When have you EVER seen a person at 1200 range benefit from a shout? If you guys use the kits and all to heal yourself, and then proceed to DPS, more power to you, but to suggest you can carry a team when no profession can heal to carry a team is laughable.

Btw, Healing/Medical Kit or whatever is a consumble. Its not engineer specific.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Medical_Kit

What im trying to say is Engineers are not top tier so dont act like they are the best ever. They are OK, just like every other medium/light. They cant do the things people desperately need or you would see more youtube videos of them, you would see more LFG’s for them after people see the same results as others. They help but they are not far superior above rangers, which is what started this.

Exactly. If I dont go meta (which clearly isnt engi) then it doesnt matter what other class joins. They are all sub meta. But it works

I find that major sigils, while obviously are less, are pretty decent and most of them are like 4s per. Assuming your being serious about only having a MF sigil atm and the reason would be money. If you want to play to the max, and you cant afford a better sigil than Luck, you should at least go for a Major of <DPS/Life/Whatever>. Feels stupid even saying this since obviously your trolling, but js, fail troll.

Regardless of blind, the oozes are spread out like crazy. Even with crowd control, i.e. binding blade you will never get them all. Knockbacks would be kitten as that spread them out further. Youd need the whole island filled with AOE blind to even attempt to get them all blinded. My virtue of justice blinds and my GS blinds, I think nothing of them. I would get downed in 0.5 seconds if i relied on AoE blind to save me. I use it yes, but i still take MASSIVE damage from add’s as there is tons of them. Refferring to high levels? Theres even more, driving it home harder.

Cripple and chill? They shoot projectiles I cant see how this would help ever besides you having to run to the corner and hide and have them not follow you. You just need them balled, not snared. No one needs them crippled and chilled to live. Ive never had a group go PLS CRIPPLE OR PLS CHILL. You also will not be able to get them all..no way…

Id like to see someone tank a pack of monsters by spamming blind. The only class that I can even remotely see doing that is thief and thats so sketch I dont even want too.

Support, is best by guardian. DPS, best by warrior. Other classes offer forms of support/DPS but nothing is as good. It does work though.

Lets even say warrior dps with longbow = any light/medium. In the end, they have heavier armor so it might take 2 hits vs 1. No matter how small, its better. They also can quickly switch to GS, bust that 100k burst of 100b and go back to range.

I dont want to make this profession/class wars but just I cant see how you think your engi is so good when clearly, other classses are better. And if your not playing the best, then shh because Ranger’s arent as bad as you make them out to be. If i dont play with all warriors and guardians, I dont care what medium/light classes join because they are all the same to me. Basically, were going to frontline, they are going to support and pew pew. I dont care if they heal, blind, stealth, projectile mitigate because I am self sufficient.

I never have found myself going “YAY” a <Insert non-heavy> Class is in my party. None of them bring anything to the table a war or guard cannot do. Becuase of that I dont see how you can say rangers are so bad.

This is getting so into specifics but honestly, if you wanna go there. You know what the best team is, dont kid yourself. 4 warriors, 1 guardian. It really doesnt matter what you can do because they can do something different, itll work, and since it involves lots of DPS, itll be faster. I dont doubt your engi can do even 40+ level fotm Grawl. But not to say its the most efficient. Sure, people dont scream for rangers but ive never seen a post for engineer either, but I have got 3 free dailys by being the only guardian on failteams on 3rd fractal by helping them.

There is no build that counters the damage from the Add’s lol. You crazy. The tankiest of tankiest cannot just tank through the Add’s. Obviously you need to mitigate, kite, CC, something. So ranger doesnt really need healing spring to counter the adds as hopefully they will be far and kiting good enough.

Idk but thats then and now is now and right now, there is ascended ammys for 30 laurels. You should just get it

Rangers are not the worst class. I really dont give two cares about blast finishers, plenty of teams do fine and actually do beyond fine into quite well without blast finishers. I dont think ive eveer used a blast finisher on guardian or warrior or mesmer and I dont care too because the weapons which have them, suck. Hammer guard/war is not for dungeon, GS is.

Rangers actually have good AoE FOR THE GRAWL FRACTAL but you must be traited, and also it takes skill. Arrows pierce targets. Its not ele AoE, but then again neither is melee weapons. The difficulty comes in, you have to select the farthest back target to get them to pierce everything and in a huge zerg of monsters its hard to obtain a target like that.

Im not defending rangers, or saying they are “good” but just wanted to dispel some of the reasons why people arent taking them. Theres plenty of reasons why I might not, but definatly not for the reasons above.

When will people realize EVERY class can do everything. Yes your engi is good at grawl. Gz. The thief daggerstorm build seems cool, Id like to see it, I bet its good. Mesmers are good at grawl. Guardians are good at grawl. CONGRATS. None are better. Its just theres more emphasis put on REFLECT PLS over engi, which takes seemingly alot of work and steps, but when done properly, achives the same affect.

My staff ele hits 1.8-2.8k spam #1 skill (aoe) in fire attunment in exotic MF gear. Thats decent DPS imo. Especially for auto attack + MF gear.

Remember, when your kiting and running, you deal 0 damage (conditions aside) so a ranger who can spam auto attack and run at least hits for something

I dont stack healing power nor vitality. I only have toughness (And power/precision). Healing power doesnt make sense to me because it doesnt increase my surviviability. My heal signet thingy still heals for a massive amount of hp, usually filling my HP pool. Altrusic Healing, the only other biggest source of a heal, isnt affected much by it. I use virtues sometimes but only 1 heals and I dont need a extra 100hp from it.

In fact when I use omnomberry pie, I find it heals even better than any amount , even 5000000000 healing power could do if I have a problem surviving, which I dont really and if it is, itll be something absurd that no one could survive

i.e. dying to alpha aoe, dying at lupi etc..

I never found the point in running Clerics for guardian. Your job isnt to heal people, its to protect and mitigate damage while also doing DPS. Im not sure if its true but also someone said healing power doesnt really work with your AH trait. Clerics is making your DPS worse and you can still be epic tanky without it.

Agree with the reason is because of old CM Story farming.

Id like a job as a video game tester so I could have a job and play a game at the same time

I would like to try playing my mediums/light armors in CoE but have no idea where to start, all I have is zerker gear atm and dont wanna buy bad armor or armor just for CoE. Also want to be able to do some damage so if anyone has a guide for that, it would be appreciated. Not so much specific classes, just in general for non-heavy.

Do not DPS it too fast. I have helped 3 groups over the past few days and noticed some heavy groups would DPS the shaman so fast, my cooldowns were not recharged yet and I had JUST used my heal leaving me with little options to deal with the massive ADD’s. Remember, he only bubbles at certain percentages of HP. There is technically no “rush” to dps him down, unless your party is dying from the agony arrows which ofc, is extremely possible but even if someone dies, the team can res easier during this phase than during the bubble ADD phase. Make sure the add’s die, teammates are “ready” for the next wave in essence.

The problem is a team of 5 will never be perfectly in sync, someones cooldown will always be on recharge, and you cant perfectly coordinate it. So make sure if your relying on, lets say, a mesmer to feedback, that the mesmer is ready most importantly.

Agreed Travosaga, but what is the alternative because if they changed this it would “Nerf” the entire fractal imo. I feel it could be changed, but only if they tweaked other areas to “make up” for the nerf. Until it has a reasonble buff idea in place, I dont think it can be made easier without turning this fractal into a joke, as like you said, its not challenging or hard, just frustrating.. long..etc..

Ah. Interesting. As one would not want to spend 250 P. Blood on a +5stat + 5 AR inscription, only to have to upgrade the amulet later and lose that infusion.

Ive never seen them glitch past my wall of reflection. It must be the positioning of the wall, I guess you might not be aware that at certain angles, projectiles can actually pass over the wall, and hit the team (Example: SE P1 Triple Golem Part has shot over wall and hit my team)

In a way, it seems this purpospely was designed so you couldnt easily see the red circles to make it more challenging. You have to react VERY quickly, most of the time I cant even do it but it is possible if I were super focused.

Makes you re-utilty your build for this part. If your not asking your teammates for reflects, stability etc, you should

Without the knockbacks, this level would be wayyyyy to easy. As it is, it is still easy, just very costly on repairs, and takes longer due to frequent downs/deaths.

The decreased movement while in combat has been inherent since ….as long as I can remember. Its not a bug. Use swiftness or wait to kill the harpy till you jump if its a issue. Also you might not realize, the harpies CRIPPLE in mid air and there is nothing you can do if your in mid jump. If your crippled, you dont jump as far and you fall.

Its not my job, nor the communities job to level your characters. If they do so, I would be very thankful and appreciate the generosity. A nicer way to do things is, play a level 80 for the dungeon, switch to a alt character at final boss who is lower level. That way the party is happy, your happy and its a win/win.

Alpha doesnt require toughness. Fastest groups are zerker, if your stacked, even if one gets downed from Alpha’s melee, you have 4 people ressing instantly as your on top of them. Also, I have tried to fight him in path1 on a guardian with over 2,310+ toughness and Alpha can still do enough melee damage to me to kill me if he focus’es solely on me. So your gonna die if he wants you too, its just how fast can you burst him down before he can do this enough to where it overcomes the team.

A dev has already confirmed this type of information about FotM levels. Read old threads.

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Kamahl.3621:

There’s a distinct feeling of hatred I have every time I see a Tropical Bird [Worthless Player’s Guild] spawn when I’m in a dungeon. I saw one spawn on level 28 of Fractals of the Mists, and we were already taking a while to kill things (2 rangers, enough said) – you can bet your bottom dollar I said something along the lines of “This upstanding gentlemen appears to be doing us the disservice of utilizing Magic Find armor, let us convince him of his errors and continue the dungeon without such impedances”. Except the opposite of that, I right click -> kicked and pulled one of my friends in.

The other give away (if you’re going to say WELL I DON’T USE ALL SIX PIRATE RUNES) is if someone’s saying FOR GREAT JUSTICE when uh.. you’re not a warrior.

What’s your problem with someone using MF runes ???

Personally i have 2 magic sets that i use.
1) Explorer’s set with pirate runes for solo farming / pve
and
2) Soldier’s Set with superior runes of the noble that i use for dungeons. Does it hinder me in dungeons and makes me less valuable than the rest of the group ? No because, unlike going full explorers set and losing toughness / vitality with that i have increased survivability , +90 power from runes plus an extra 50% magic find. Combined with a secondary berserkers weapon with sigil of luck and omnomberry pies i sit comfortably on ~100% magic find.

What’s your problem with that ? To me it’s clear that you suffer from one of the following :

1) Warrior that thinks the only set available for your class is the berserker set so you don’t want to lose “stats” by stocking MF

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I agree that going full explorers armor in a dungeon makes you lose out in other stats and be less effective than the rest of your group but if you can manage to combine it without rendering your self bad like the example i gave you above, i don’t see where is the problem with that.

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Its that when people die in MF gear, spawning tropical birds over their body, I always think, well if they had a little more better build, maybe I wouldnt have to stop DPSing them and res. Now granted, they might of died anyway even with better gear, but you always wonder “What If”. If the person performs either as well or better then the team, I wont say anything and its a no issue. If they are being carried, I will make a public comment.

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JJBigs.8456:

^ I wonder why people farm anything besides CS if they are looking to make money
(Besides CoF, AC).

Do not forget about Fractals and CoE when you are speaking of farming for the monies.

I didnt. Farming FotM and CoE are horrible for loot per hour/minute compared to CS. Even if you get lucky. In a 5 minute event I get multiple t6 mats, insane amounts of heavy moldy bags, possible rares since i wear mf gear, tons of trash drops to sell + chance @ high level exotics/pre-cursors

you should get zerker armor

Epic thread /closed

^ I wonder why people farm anything besides CS if they are looking to make money
(Besides CoF, AC).

Uhhhhhhhh. Right…..

Its right after the initial 3 silver Godforged are killed, Magg goes into the first cell to search, he should go inside and spawn the devourer mound, with about 5 silver devouerer add’s. However, after saying his little “Weve…..” he just stops, follows people and wont start the event.

The chain pulling is after the 8 or so mounds up the hill, after you killed the 3 silver Godforged before Prision Warden which as far as I know, has never glitched. So not this.

If you say there shouldn’t be a condition cap, then likewise there should not be a boon cap. Thought 25 stacks of might warrior dungeon clears were lopsided? Well get ready for 50 STACK MIGHT COF RUNS.

No, I vote leave condition and boon the way they are. Obviously it is done to balance the game.

This happened pre patch. Its only happened to me once, but it was at least a month ago @ the devourer nest part where he says “They’ve been feeding prisioners to devourer’s” then…nothing…..exit dungeon

Another bug which im not sure if its been fixed is sometimes if you fail the bomb event, Magg will get stuck in the wall from the explosion, and you are no longer able to hand him in the bombs, hence you must start the run over entirely.

When someone specs bunker, to me its not carrying the party even if they are the last one alive, its gimping it by making things die so slow that the proper DPS’ers cant stay alive long enough to kill things. To properly carry a team, you got to DPS + Support. Not one or the other. Not “Decent” DPS. Normal DPS. Not Zerker, but not 0 power/prec gear either.

Your post says your so good at healing , keeping tanks alive etc, but then you go on to say you find yourself the sole survivor, implying the tanks die.

I did a HotW and during the Aldrus boss fight, ALL of my teammates, who were all medium/lights (one engi too) ran up to the boss and helped me melee it. it was so epic. they were fast and quick to move but still held their own easily without needing seemingly much support at all. It was a good eye opener and this was one of my best teams in a long time (1 heavy, 4 nons). I could of half leeched and they seemed to be able to do it.
IT IS POSSIBLE!

Most people range this fight and sit back and auto but this was a great reminder and lesson on how to play certain classes.

Im sure everyone has seen or heard about

1. Full Zerker Warrior Solo’ing Lupi
2. Guardian Scepter Solo Lupi

So no, guardian is not needed as the warrior did it.
And no, epic DPS is not needed as the guardian did it.

I bet other classes could too. This is just saying there is no “1 Sure Fire Method to carrying the team during Lupi”

If its not stated in advance such as COF P1 LF Mesmer or Need 1 more ele for AC then they shouldnt be picking on you after you join. If they cared they should state it up front. Those people dont sound too nice, but remember in beggining level fractals, people are wary, new, unsure of what is good etc…

You might actually have better luck just doing fractals a few levels above your current level like 5-9 so people are more adjusted in what to expect etc..

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It should imo….

Think of it. 100b whirring at the speed of light. How should that NOT reflect.

How many PUG groups do you guys know that
A. Recognize Combo Fields and use appropriate finishers
B. Have the correct weapons equipped to sync fields/finishers properly, in essence, knowing what the other classes are running
C. Sync the finisher at the right time, not using that skill before hand

Etc…

Problem is PUGS just dont use field/finishers correctly to make them to the maximum potential

Example: My warrior GS only has 2 combo finishers. One is Whirl wind attack which I dont use because it makes me fly away from the enemy. Im left with one combo finisher which is also a cripple skill, which is also a regular attack. I dont use it because it does crap damage. So as a GS Warrior(Common) I actually pretty much never finish a combo.

I was going for mannuerisms but it didnt really work and thought it sounded quite exotic.

Its like saying, get a warrior.

15-20k+ 100b. Permanently. Your fractal life will be easier.

It makes other people lul when he falls of the bridge, duh.