Guild Wars 2

Rezok.2709:

Why should, say, a LB ranger be worse than a thief? That’s just asking for your personal favourite profession to be god-mode.

Ranger: Pet and invulnerability – Thief not. Give thief invulnerability and a companion (and then I could play ranger) and it would be even again.

Rezok.2709:

While thief isn’t the easiest, it isn’t the hardest either. Now, playing it as main since the start I might not be a good example, but thief ain’t THAT hard to play, just need to understand their strength and weaknesses. I DO agree that thief got some problems atm, mainly in PvP (they seem fine for WvW and PvE), so does a lot of other professions. That’s just how MMORPG is.

The weird thing is that I kill thieves left and right in wvw recently. No matter their build, as a D/D thief who isn’t that much into fighting anymore anyway as it’s pretty useless (= I’m not giving “my best”)
So, I guess thief is hard to play. Otherwise every other build would defeat me.

Rezok.2709:

Every profession does not have revealed. 4 profession does. And not even all of those 4 can play good builds that involves it.

Question is why it has been brought into the game without counterplay for the thief – that is a slap in the face.

Rezok.2709:

How does thief NOT have counter to other people? Insane mobility (especially with the new DD traitline), great control and high damage. That’s enough already.

Problem is, you as a thief main should know that, that all other classes have invulnerability and dish out as much damage as thieves with backstab with a single skill.

Rezok.2709:

Sure thief might be in a little tough place atm, but don’t forget they have been masters of 1v1 since release more or less. I think we can let other professions shine just a little for now.

I’m 1 vs 1 with thief for ~1,5 years, so basically since ferocity has been introduced – and during that time the class wasn’t the “master of 1 vs 1” but with some skill “even”. I don’t think that “letting other classes shine” because of poor balance is an argument.

Rezok.2709:

Of course they intend to make it playable (which it already is). It’s not like they can just tune up thief and call it a day. It affects all of PvP and WvW if you buff one profession.

True, but some of the descisions of the June patch are petty poor – they should’ve seen that instead of bringing it into the game.

Rezok.2709:

Because thieves are great at mobility, dodges and got stealth. You can’t have everything, why would you think thieves should have that? If every profession got everything, then what’s the difference between them?

Now you’re contradicting yourself: With revealed skills all thief has got is mobility with the “right” weapons and the “right build” so basically all you should equip is S/D and SB or Staff and SB – what about the rest of the builds? I’m not using ports – I don’t like the playstyle – so where’s my survivability?

Yeah.. one of the commanders I ran with yesterday demanded to “STOP AOE!!”

Cool story, bro.
(There’s an edit function)

Caliburn.1845:

Plus, when you’ve been in a tier for a decent length of time you don’t need to see guild tags to know who you’re fighting, you can tell by how they manuever or the profile pictures of their commanders, or other indicators.

EU = non locked tiers. It’s a lot more fun.

Beldin.5498:

Yeah .. bring back Culling .. since people are simply not able to turn down their
setting from everything max by themselfs

Really .. is it so hard to set character model limit and quality to medium ?

I’ve been yelled at recently because I dared to post screenshots of medium quality. Even my argument that I’m a wvw player who needs smooth gameplay didn’t help me..

ETA: That is to consider when one thinks about lowering the graphics… Better don’t tell anyone.

Wryscher.1432:

One minor point, most of the fight guilds like you to know who beat you. Bragging rights and all that.

You have a point, but you underestimate the power of trolling – and there’s always youtube to prove that it was indeed said guild.

ETA: Or they can just tag up when they wiped you.

That would be interesting indeed – [Ash] facerolling everything “Oh, it’s just a PuG”.
Well guys, become better, right? You never know who you’ll be facing next.

You can also put down waterfields for poor thieves like me who equip shortbow, daggerstorm and signet of malice and kill the little skeletons while healing the zerg.
But I might be the only thief doing that actually.

displayname.8315:

Fingers crossed. Would love a reason to log in.

They could even leave the old servers in place for people who can’t accept reality. Playing on dead servers gets old fast. Gold/Silver/Bronze leagues is cool and all and maybe could still for work for tournaments.

I’m currently on a T1 server and this has got to be the worst server I’ve ever been on. Be careful what you wish for.

Swampy.1359:

Probably gonna get loads like this but…

I love that screenshot!

Lavexis.5360:

Thief literally has nothing against wells and traps. D/D thieves can vault and dodge around, but once he land on that stacked traps and wells..hes done for, but classes like warrior can just stand on it for a few second.

Do you mean DD thieves? As D/D still means Dagger/Dagger (thanks again, anet) and that weaponset has been pretty dead in especially pvp for at least 2 years.

kakumbien.8047:

If they enjoy . That ’s the logic …

#SadButTrue

I didn’t buy the game because they didn’t balance – see it this way.
I will buy it once there will be some balance again and for that you have to live with nerfs as hard as it is.

1k ToT bags is peanuts.
If I’m in a really good Lab I make a stack in less than 45 mins, If I’m in a slower it’s 200 bags in ~1 hour.
The event is up 2 weeks and you get ToT bags everywhere, so I don’t think that being disappointed after 1k bags really says something, sorry.

Edit: I wrote that I make 1k in 45 mins – fixed that.

Why do we even have to discuss whether or not there’s a wvw only population? I’m pretty sure people want to see/test what they have paid 50+$ on – why shouldn’t that be okay?
The problem with wvw is that you “need” other players for it – and there are no megaservers, so when stuck on an empty borderland “Well, I can stand here and wait for someone to come by, or I can do some Halloween stuff or unlock some Masteries, or farm flax to help my guild upgrade”.

L2P

/15 char

I have 2 personal guilds – created the first out of boredom, the second because I don’t really like the guild’s name.
I have been mostly alone in both and used both guilds to +5 camps. I knew that I wouldn’t be able to do it alone anymore after HoT, so I asked some friends to help me with that (for one guild, I’m not that greedy). We’re all in several guilds and after seeing what we have to do to get where I want my guild to be I give up on it – I can’t ask my friends to do all of this for 2-5 guilds.
I don’t really know yet how all of it works, but it would be nice if we could at least create simple banners and +5 (only) camps with some easier guild missions. I don’t really need a guild hall, I don’t need an arena.

Why I’m not playing wvw right now:

Halloween
Balance issues (It’s no fun to get up and victory dance each time I kill an enemy because it’s so unlikely).
Bugs (AC bugs from before the patch which annoyed me loads, our green corner in EB constantly contested (no knocker), the WPs in the BL constantly contested and a lot of other bugs).
Can’t solo towers anymore – because of guard stacks removal and again bugs (who would’ve guessed).
The quality of wvw players in general “hurr durr, I’m doing whatever I like whether it makes sense or not.” The latter has been also caused by balance issues and changes to overall pvp gameplay, like the stab changes – pirate ship meta is no fun, but it’s the only reason I can still run with a zerg as a squishy thief.

I hope anet really stick to their word and make wvw “a priority” as the game mode itself is/was amazing – just after now a year (for me) of annoying stuff I’m burned out.

franxi.6513:

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In case you wonder about the weird replies:
We tried to make constructive suggestions right after June 23 – they were left ignored, so we officially burried our thieves after the first balance patch in September.
We have since received a buff though, at least D/D.

Anyway: We gave up long ago, that’s what not regular visitors don’t know when they come here. The general attitude in this forum is: “Yeah, whatever”.

Ok – then good luck.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

‘This final collection unlocks the recipe to craft the polished final iteration of the precursor. For all of our existing precursors, this is a tradable exotic weapon, but they will all be updated to use new skins that look much like the legendary weapons they’ll one day become.’

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-legendary-journey/

“Let’s use the Moot as an example. A moot is a norn celebration of prowess, so that’s the basis of our themes for the legendary mace named for it. The first collection is all about the hunt, so you’ll be proving your abilities by fighting fierce creatures around Tyria and acquiring a trophy to show for it. By completing this collection, you’ll unlock a recipe to craft the first iteration of your precursor—a nontradable exotic weapon with a distressed version of the existing precursor skin. It could use a little polish and refinement, which will be the focus of the second tier collection.”

From the same link.

grifflyman.8102:

I’m really bummed out, 370 gold is a lot for me, and if I end up with two precursors of the same kind it’s going to really hurt.

As far as I know you can still craft the legendary although you equipped the precurser (haven’t tried it, though) – I have no idea whether or not this is then soulbound or if you can still sell the made legendary.
The precursers (and probably legendaries?) you crafted via HoT mastery path are account bound though.
So: craft the legendary with your precurser and do another precurser path in HoT.

glaphen.5230:

Pretty useless build, this item already does everything your Thief does but faster.

Whenever I see screenshots of someone’s inventory I have the urge to sort it.

Keitaro Dragonheart.9047:

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The June nerf is actually the indirect fault of 3 thieves on the forums. 2 always complained that the SA line was too strong, I discussed might stacking with someone and also explained how CiS works. So, they did listen to us and should’ve never done that. I hope the next balance patch will be without influence of the player base. And that they fix some bugs as some classes are “OP” because of that.

Yukatana.8901:

@Jana I worry that buffing Shadow’s Embrace may have bad effects on thieves who stay in stealth for long periods, like d/p. It also doesn’t address how inferior trap stealth is compared to other stealths when they are 2 and 4 seconds respectively.
There are also other reasons to want a slightly longer stealth duration, such as Shadow’s Rejuvenation healing for more, or setting up basilisk venom (1s cast) and still having time to position yourself and line the shot or whatever.

It would benefit me actually as I’m rarely stealhed for longer than 1-2 seconds (D/D thief).
And it would be a nice buff, no matter the build. I don’t think it would make D/P “OP” as they aren’t really melee fighters anyway = can avoid a lot of the conditions.

How about lowering condi removal to 2 seconds instead?

Sandrox.9524:

I have the crossing i can make a video of my thief using it if you want

Would be nice, but ou don’t have to – I think I’ll make that thing anyway and be it for my necro. And I’m not HoT yet, so my thief can’t use it anyway.

As an archaic D/D thief I have my problems with D/P and S/D thieves – so please don’t make it more evades than there already are. Maybe it’s just time to buff the base stats of thieves.

The OP asked for the runes to become a skill or for Meld with shadows to affect non skill stealth.
Someone else suggested it was a bug
Someone else replied it was a bugfix
You were outraged because of that reply

Maybe it is you.

skogkatt.7586:

Jana.6831:

And yes, you overreacted – I get how Azure meant it – but I’m honestly tired of drama right now

What a coincidence. Implying the bug was that thieves hadn’t yet been nerfed and expecting people trying to find viable build not to “overreact”. Go on mapchat and ask about the nerf and see how many people are just saying “good”. I’m sick of that. If you’re sick of drama, I mean, whatever—you blamed me for asking the question which I didn’t so I can’t help this here. You also thought I thought it was a “personal attack” at me—before I had even posted. You didn’t read what I posted, so please just skim past them in future. I’m glad you’re happy with your thief build, a lot of people are still stuck finding one that might even be viable for them. I feel sorry for any F2P player wasting a slot on it.

Oh my, you are exhausting. Have some nice tea or coffee and calm down, seriously.
Yes, I mistook you for the Op as you became very personal in your very first post to which I apperantly replied before you even posted it..

Have a nice day.

messiah.1908:

i get what you saying

trap is the skill which proc stealth from the rune

probably you are correct but still think it should be fixed

It was just fixed – it was either the rune or the thief – one of the two was going to be nerfed after a major outcry because of ghost thieves. I have never played that build myself. I came across a halfway ghost thief today who rather ran away than to fight, so I don’t really know if he was able to extend his stealth with D/P alone like people said he would.

Yay, I have a good excuse not to get it. But honestly, Nevermore is nice, but not for a thief and Revenant can’t use it.
BUT a necro can.

ETA: I was actually looking at the staff skins tonight and Bo is nice and some other, but everything else doesn’t look ninja. Wanted to get The Crossing, but I’m not sure it would look good on a thief – but then again my thief is very special (nothing really looks good on him, probably because he looks like an accident to start with).

skogkatt.7586:

No. It wasn’t an answer, it assumed we all didn’t read the same notes they did, which was incorrect. I don’t understand the “Enjoy + smiley face” at the end. Maybe I overreacted, in which case I apologise, but we’re trolled enough. I went simplest-answer/Ockham’s Razor on what the cute little cue meant.

This was about the trait and why it did not affect the stealth duration of the rune. It was specific. THE TRAIT. I provided a better explanation for why it may not extend the duration of stealth of the rune in my reply on the bug forum. The wording of the trait implies it extends the duration of stealth skills, and perhaps not stealth in general. A better nerf to control trap troll thieves (who don’t really benefit from their behaviour anyway except to be malicious—the strategy is tedious) would be if it did activate a skill like Blinding Powder for all classes and had a cooldown. If you wanted to stealth again quickly, you use another skill like everyone else.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Meld_with_Shadows
skills
A rune doesn’t seem to count as a skill.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_the_Trapper

And yes, you overreacted – I get how Azure meant it – but I’m honestly tired of drama right now

fixit.7189:

While wiki does have some good info, I find it’s usually outdated and no I am not going to update b/c I go there to find answers to questions yet I rarely get it there…just like these forums, I go to look at “post your build threads” and most them are 2 years old. It seems only the good info sources that are updated is places that have nothing to do with Anet at all.

fixit.7189:

Absolutely nothing, I said wiki AND these forums have outdated info. Please read again.

Look at this thread for instance!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Guide-to-Thief-Guides

2 years old since last update and stickied. Yea, ok.

And again a post about builds – a wiki doesn’t list builds.
I read again, I hope you read what you wrote again as well.
The wiki is pretty much up to date but we just had a major patch so things might take a bit longer.
If you want builds (which wiki isn’t for), google metabattle – but I’m warning you even those aren’t up to date as we’ve had a major patch in june and a week ago, so people are still trying to figure things out.
If you want to play thief, well then good luck, you can basically use whatever build you like, you’ll die instantly – that’s as much advise as I can give you as a 2 years thief main.

ETA: Oh and btw, read the most recent post in old threads – not sure if there is any in the sticky post you’ve mentioned, but I’m pretty sure they aren’t 2 years old.

ETA²: And you can always ask nicely on any forum if someone can give you build advise – but you should know by then wherefore and what weapons you want to use so people have a clue how to help you.

ETA³: Yeah, you compared an for you outdated wiki with for you outdated forums – and I finally answered that. Wiki is really fast, as soon as info is availlable they have it. Just that there’s too much new stuff right now – the same with builds and also that there is no viable build for thieves. If you want it for PvE then you can run any build you’re personally comfortable with, unless for fast dungeon runs in which you want to have as much damage as possible – but I guess even for dungeons thief will be replaced pretty soon.

skogkatt.7586:

Please read the post to which you are replying. They are referring to the trait that extends stealth by one second not affecting the stealth afforded by the rune.

I really hope you weren’t thinking to seize upon a potential opportunity to troll and posting thoughtlessly. Thieves have a very high skill floor and are very hard to play and derided by most players, especially disheartening when it’s other thieves who either play well or think they do (fair enough—I’m terrible—I have no interest in judging people’s skill, how they act is another matter.) It would be nice as one of the harder classes we actually helped each other like how I get enthusiastic advice from others when I attempt playing with my crumby uplevel engi. We have some gross macho fighting-game-like culture amongst thieves and I hate it.

So? Your question was whether this was a bug or intended which was answered – how do you see that as a personal attack? Your trait in SA doesn’t extend the stealth given by the runes – you already answered that yourself, actually.

fixit.7189:

While wiki does have some good info, I find it’s usually outdated and no I am not going to update b/c I go there to find answers to questions yet I rarely get it there…just like these forums, I go to look at “post your build threads” and most them are 2 years old. It seems only the good info sources that are updated is places that have nothing to do with Anet at all.

What do builds have to do with a wiki?

Zero Day.2594:

Guys guys…

Quit crying and wasting nerves (some can’t regenerate…), just re-roll. I recommend a revenant, Shiro S/A feels like an assassin try that.

It’s very hard to let the character I’ve been on for the past two years go. But yeah, I know things look grim. But I refuse to accept that plus 1 is the designed role of thief – I cringe when I hear and see that as I’ve been a pretty good fighter back in the day – but can’t anymore – not alone of the nerfs btw, it’s also bugs “You say you used CnD? Oh yeah, your initative is gone, but the opponent didn’t feel it although he didn’t dodge or evade” (50+% of the times), lags, stealth related bugs “Oh, you stealthed, well yeah this NPC sees through it and hits you with his 5k auto attacks for the duration of your stealth (after SR)”, tinkering with the camera “What, you were able to turn your mouse after a CnD and BS in one go? Too bad, now you have to get your mouse up and do 2 turns” (I work on that endlessly as everything is constantly changed, so sometimes I am able to get everything back to how it has been before, but that takes me 1-2 days, a week after that everything is changed again and I have to adjust my mouse setting once again).

The above is a load. If I were more competitive I would scream and smash my stuff.

What you are requesting is way too much information for an in game description.
Take candy corn as an example- you can eat it or you can craft with it. All “professions” can use it, but it can also be used to be turned into cobs of candy corn which are used to buy other items.
How is it too much to ask for to use the wiki?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Piece_of_Candy_Corn
I like the wiki, everything is linked and listed, I just have to get to what exactly I want to know and click the links. If the description were in game I’d spend ages just to get one “simple information”.
I get where you’re coming from but I think the GW2 wiki is really good -as is Dulfy’s site. So maybe yeah, if you dislike this then maybe you don’t like MMOs in general.
Btw: I played wow first and I spent more time googeling all kinds of stuff than playing the game- there was no wiki back then, I think. It was aweful and the items had no real descriptions at all asfar as I can remember. When I started with GW2 I took the liberty to be a noob and just did what I wanted to do with “I don’t need to know that yet” in mind.

I want to throw in that I’m looking for a server who knows how to play wvw – I don’t think I care that much about coverage but I always want to scream when I read “inc keep” or when someone rather mans the ac instead of the cannon when 5 omegas are incoming.
In the end you can get as much coverage as you want to but if no one knows how to play it becomes stale very fast.

Fat Disgrace.4275:

I persoannly think that that infinite light is a better skin then bolt.

It’s nice, yes, but Zero wants a legendary – other people get fast cars…

AnttiV.4297:

My bad. I meant 2000 gems (which is close enough 25€ so I messed it up). If that is true (I haven’t checked) that you can transfer to low-pop server for less, I think I’ll take that one, thanks. But all the server I tried just gave me the 2000 gem price. (I have 400 gems on my account and it shoved I was 1600 short for every server I checked).

And that megaserver does sound good… so I wouldn’t even need to do the worldselect -> guest -> play anymore? Just teleport to guildies/party and off we go? That does sound good. (I never cared about PvP, so I don’t care about the WvW limitations).

There are 10 EU servers with medium population – transferring to them costs 500 gems. Try to chose one with the blue EU flag though as they are “English”. (Here’s why: ) Megaservers mean that you’re grouped with people from all other servers but preferably with those who are on the same server like you. So LA it’s ~50% your server, ~40% all other servers with the same language and 10% with other languages who didn’t fit into another LA. As an example, can happen to anyother map but those are mostly not that populated anyway so you’ll be probably mixed with all servers.
But if you want to play together with a friend, just group up, right click on his name and “join in xyz” and you will be redirected to the map he’s on.

AnttiV.4297:

Just so happens when I quit, I left my character in a US server…

Now, year or two later… server transfers cost 2000 GEMS? WTF? And they lock you out for SEVEN DAYS?

(though you can transfer for free if you delete all your characters? I mean what the kitten is that for?)

And it’s great that you can create free accounts.. that are not even able to SELECT a server, they just assign you randomly to one? Yeah, nice one. We play together – each their own and just describe what the others do?

I though I’d get HoT and start again, but yay, I can’t play with any of my EU friends anymore, unless I pay for an ADDITIONAL 2500 GEMS? And my wife and son can’t even select their preference so they could play with me on the US side, nor can they even select to be on the same server (yeah, this isn’t that bad of a thing because “guesting”, but it is still an unnecessary step).

I have never tried to delete all my characters to transfer for free – it probably doesn’t work anymore as anet finally took a look at the coverage issues wvw is having.

You have always been locked out from transfers for a week, that at least for 1,5 years (that’s when I transferred first) – the highest amount of gems you have to pay is 1800, so no idea where your 2500 is coming from. If you only want to transfer to EU or NA, take a lower populated server (500 gems) if you want to play pve only. The only time you can’t play with anyone of the same region is in wvw. (Others already stated that we’ve got megaservers (for 1,5 years now) which means that all people from the same region are theoretically put onto the same servers)

MUDse.7623:

yes 2nd fight the reaper was from KISS – dont get tho what about em?

thats point there r bad players on every servers wvw and they r the majority.
if i as a bad thief can just spamm other same bad ppl to death without em hittin me..then ye i think i dont need buffs.

That was a joke – I have been in that guild and on the server they’ve been on.
When thief wasn’t nerfed into the ground (before June 23th) I have been able to do the same like you as a D/D thief in pvp (with some exceptions if the opponent team was really good) – so I guess there are bad players everywhere.
I would give it some time before judging actually, as currently wvw is more laggy than usual and people try to adjust to their new classes/builds – or the opponent classes/builds – when the June patch hit people were saying “way too much damage everywhere” then things settled but no one dared to rez anyone anymore as that was certain death. Now they again realize that there was a power creep which might not have been that good.

@ MUDse: Were any of those roamers from KISS, probably? No offense, but AG just got a giantic influx of lower ranked servers but:

I’m currently on deso and what I see is just as good/bad as everything I knew from bronze – silver tier EU. I just defeated 4 viz silver ranks after another; guard, ele, warrior and something I don’t know. As a D/D thief. But I do think that lags might have helped with that and the fact that a D/D thief is a precious little unicorn which people haven’t met yet.

Problem with this is: It won’t happen, at least not in the foreseeable future. Right now they only have the thief forum in which people are unhappy, if they’re going to take away all the nice stuff other classes have…

The only possible solution (and a rather quick fix) would be to give thieves passives.

bliss.4305:

“Oh you got legendaries eh? Kitten please, I’m a thief… I AM legendary.”

Sigh… don’t know if I should feel sad or special

So that’s why my thieves sparkle – mystery solved.

bliss.4305:

Nah, its just that so many thieves actually own an Incinerator, the chances of running into a bad one (since most legendary owners are SW monkeys – except a few) is much higher than running into a good one Simple logic really.

Yes and no – when I started with GW2 I hated legendaries (although the only one I really knew was twilight) – my first kill in wvw was a guy with twilight (I’ve been a noob ranger) – my whole server knew that I would never make a legendary – and then I got spark.
So yeah, each time I died on my D/D thief I though “well yeah, the noob with the legendary”. Now I think: “well yeah, I’m a thief”
And I’m pretty sure that thieves will die out in competitive mode anyway.

bliss.4305:

Incinerator to be… basically just another thief (possibly a bad one, too). Seriously, are they handing out Incinerators to all newly created thieves as a compensation for their horrible choice of class now?

So you assume that I’m a new horrible thief? I don’t really get where you’re coming from, sorry =)

AC isn’t too bad- if you were on EU we would run it together.
I can’t really help you more as my main was is and will be thief. Although at some point I will get hot and then I’ll try revenant, but what I’ve seen so far of them is pretty cheesy, so I might not switch classes.
You can give him a sex change? Bolt looks better on female characters.

Descision help.
But see yourselves: with which weapon does my thief look cooler?

Give it some time until people got used to it – I bet the distraction will lower itself.