Guild Wars 2

Chaba.5410:

Were you around this game when the damage by ACs was buffed? Ever since then, ACs have been a big discourager of fights.

Do I need to know how subpar the damage of ACs was to judge how the now buffed damage of ACs is? I don’t think so. I know that one AC alone can’t kill anyone, I think even 2 usual ACs can’t kill anyone, but I’m not sure – 1 sup and one usual or 2 sup can kill, yes – but once upon a time we found our ways around it.

Edit: And like I said before: Always remember that there’s not only attackers but also defenders who are likely in the minority. So give them a chance to defend, golems made it hard enough.

Super Kruegs.8967:

Please consider nerfing all siege damage to players while you are at it. I think we can all understand siege v structure or siege v siege but the damage cannons, acs, ballistas, and mortars do to players is ruining good PvP and players ability to counter siege with skills. Especially consider nerfing the condis of these siege items like dat insane mortar burn and cannon chill.

Let me think when someone died to my sup AC the last time….
Never, I guess.
They might die if there’s 2 ACs though, but the times I’m with someone in a tower are really rare.
Solution to too many ACs – get either a balli and get them down (or an AC ‘til they will be nerfed) – if that isn’t possible, get a cata or treb and knock the walls down. You’ll still have the problem of too many ACs in the tower, so you ask a friendly mesmer to port you into the tower and destroy all acs you can find so the rest of your zerg can follow safely. If there’s no mesmer around tell your zerg to dodge twice to the stairs, empower, group aegis, kill the ACs.

Not saying ACs don’t do too much damage, although I really don’t think so, but you might be right, but there’s always the defending side and also ways around ACs.

Zero Day.2594:

@Jana

That direction is MOBAs… Hence the talk about them.

True – but in GW we once were one man armies as there are no roles in this game – and I think that’s one of things I liked the most.

Why are you even arguing about another game?
I think GW2 might be pretty unique but it’s headed into a direction I really don’t like. That not because of my favourite class (and spec) having been nerfed into the ground but the recent and upcoming changes will be hard to undo and they will have to undo it – question is why do they implement it in the first place.

Zero Day.2594:

Is that a challenge to the devs?

I expect them to win this.

Would be really cool if there was an option which lets you write something to a guild member.
My note would be: “Diehard D/D thief” so people are prepared when they ask me about builds

Spartacus.3192:

LOL
I go to WvW for one specific objective. Find Red tagged players and kill them. Not invite them over for a cup of tea and cookies.

Our zergs can come by without thieves. We did some duels and talked about builds.
In case of the Golem: I have been alone on our BL late at night and there was no siege or supply in bay, so there was nothing I could do anyway. He was from a server that had crushed mine endlessly until we turned the tables and crushed them – so their morale was low and we talked about that and about thieves until someone from my server came along and we destroyed the golem. He then went on whispering me that he built x new golems to annoy my server – which was okay by me – I trust my server to handle it ;)

“If it’s red it’s dead” still is valid but there are times in which no one really needs to fight.

Even possible in “real” wvw – but then again we were 3 thieves.

And two thieves, although he was in a Golem most of the times.

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Add me to the guild too guys. Will join in on the convo aswell

Done.

Chuck Zitto.2367:

So why does everybody feel anet included that its just not ok to make tier 8 low pop like they actually are and let some people transfer there for free. How could that do anything but help these dead servers in tier 8. Nobody is ever gonna pay money/gems to trasnfer to the lowest servers.

Servers aren’t just people who happen to play together, they are indeed communities.
I wrote this before and now again:
I have been on an high bronze NA server when spring tournament 2014 took place. Back then only the best servers were able to get enough tournament claim tickets to affort mist forged weapons – so of course everybody wanted to have a chance at that. So we had about 100? who came from higher ranked servers (most annoying karma train smartypants) but knew their server wouldn’t make it into the top 3 of their tier, we’ve had PvE players who had no clue what to do and just before the tournament started there were free transfers to lower ranked bronze servers. All people went to the highest ranked that was free. This server then had a 24/7 coverage and steamrolled their way to place 1. All of what we had worked for was worth nothing. My server was dead afterwards – all of us left either the server or the game. And yeah, we miss each other.
Free transfers might cause a massive imbalance, so it’s better to wait until things even out.

I disagree with both of you, Jayne and Serious:
Yes you can treb SM from the Red Keep but it can also be trebbed from SM and trying to get that treb out might be difficult as usually the strongest server holds it.
And yes it’s on a hill and there’s a hill opposing it – perfect for 8 trebs and 16 catas, leaving you no chance. But on the plus side, wasn’t that keep the only keep where you can’t reach both gates with one set of rams?
My favourite Keep is Blue Keep, but I think Green Keep might be the easiest to defend.

Edit: OP, I kind of feel you, we’ve been blue on IoJ (when I was there) for at least 3 months. Had the negative side effect that afterwards I ran into all blue camps to grab supply – took a while until I noticed that it wasn’t ours.

Edit²: Surrounding towers and defensive siege from the Keep:
Red Keep: you can defend OW, Vel, Anz. Keep can be trebbed from Mendons, but not the other way around.
Blue Keep: You can defend Langor and Bravo, not Durios, not QL.
Green Keep: You can defend Jerri, Aldons and Klovan, and probably WC if you’re fast and smart. You can also do a lot with some trebs in Jerri.

Westwater.1095:

Jana.6831:

Tell me about it
Did it twice, once in Gendarren Fields when I picked up a bomb (at the pirates) or something and once after teq, I leaped through something but don’t ask me through what.

I’m pretty sure these sparkles just come with your character’s husbando face.

Come on!
“He isn’t gay, he just likes to sparkle!”

Still he’s my favourite character and hey, people really think I’m male so it can’t be that bad.
But truth be told, all people, including me, make jokes about it.

Edit: Have to add that he’s my main and 98% of the time I spent in this game is on him ;) (13 characters and 4 other thieves)

Kitty La Boom Boom.4065:

I ran around all sparkly like that for about 5 minutes, even in DS. It was neat! Why did that happen and how can I do it again???

Tell me about it
Did it twice, once in Gendarren Fields when I picked up a bomb (at the pirates) or something and once after teq, I leaped through something but don’t ask me through what.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

There has been no real progress for the Thief, only regress.

Yes, and maybe that’s the problem, maybe that is why no one is talking to us.
I think although we are a bunch of weirdos we kind of grew together and managed to produce something constructive over the past few weeks.
But: Thief is at a breaking point, the class has been ignored for too long. Anet better comes up with something good and maybe they know.
They have made some really bad choices when it comes to buffing other classes: Passive protection, passive heal, passive this and passive that – Since they just buffed these classes they can’t nerf them right away (although they should), so they’d now have to buff other classes likewise so we all become tiny tanks steamrolling our way through wvw and pvp and QQing each time we lose. I’m curious what will come next.

Sparrow.5936:

Well I got an infraction almost immediately by posting in the general discussion and my topic deleted. So there are still plenty of ANET employees out there.. just not here..

Was infracted because of something I wrote on this forum the other day
So someone is out there (here).
We are being heard, question is if anything of what we want is going to happen.

Yeah it was really bad in SM yesterday with our 3 blobs. I have been the one on the only ram and please don’t ask me how I opened that gate as I couldn’t press anything and everything just stood still – for 3 minutes ;)
Probably my blob PvD-ing the gate. Didn’t ask if they were able to click 1. If not we opened that gate with our minds!

azizul.8469:

at least update the population status everyweek before the reset….. as of now it seems no changes at all while we know some servers received lots of transfers like the T3 servers.

Piken went from “full” to “very high”

Sandrox.9524:

it wouldnt be staff it would be offhand hammer

Kitten, now I have to decide between Team GS and Team Offhand Hammer

reinforever.8902:

You’re righto on that, everyone I’ve tried to convince that the build is good says it sucks. But good idea, I think I will make a short montage vid!

Edit: Suggest me some decent free recording software. Does the built in windows 10 stuff actually work?

You tried to convince me and I said “Aha” so, please, I didn’t say it sucks or anything.

Overwolf is decent and free. No idea about win 10

Serious.7083:

The issue is that anet still hasn’t fixed the ability for people to whisp players of the other side in WvW. They could do this simply by disabling the /w command in WvW. To be honest they could disable it everywhere.

And how should my buddies ask me to marry them without whisperers?

Btw you can turn it off for yourself, just uncheck it in all chat windows.

briggah.7910:

I clearly stated we have been outnumbered during prime time for a few weeks now by medium servers so not sure what you are talking about not having a night shift has anything to do with the status of the servers. I could care less about scores, winning or losing but to be considered high yet be pretty much the lowest populated server for a few weeks now tells me something is wrong..

I can’t say much to your case – what I said was “give it more time” – I don’t know your server, I don’t know the server you’re up against – I just know that it’s very hard to estimate a population for each server which everybody agrees on. And they couldn’t go lower than “medium” as transfers to low were/are free. So currently medium servers are more in limbo than the others as for them the population count is more or less accurate whereas there seems to be a wide span as to what is “medium”.
Good luck to you.

Chaba.5410:

Jana.6831:

Basically to you two before me:

Give this system a bit more time before you judge the effect it has had.

My server (very high EU) usually crushes any of the two we’re up against during EU prime, so we’ve got ~300-600 PPT for a few hours, afterwards we lose everything as the other servers have got their early morning Karma trains and we have around 3-20 people on all maps from 2 am until 9 pm the next day. But anet can’t say: “Lets make this server medium, they’ve got no night shift” as maybe all of those who’d sign up would be prime time players as well.
And I got to this server when they were “high” btw. I don’t really care about the ratings, all servers I’ve been to had times in which no one was online; I’m used to it.

I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say.

Briggah asked: “Who would transfer to a high server for more gems that gets beat by medium servers?” You’re saying your server crushes during EU prime so why would it be relevant to the question?

I already said that I was answering 2 people – the first was mainly to briggah – does it make sense now?

The second block was for the person who posted after briggah – even celarer? good.

Sandrox.9524:

We have one thing to hold onto,they changed feline grace like everyone wanted.That gives us a bit of hope they do see this forum.

Doesn’t look too good if the thief of your winning esports team quits because he can’t play his build anymore (if that’s really the reason why he left).

Basically to you two before me:

Give this system a bit more time before you judge the effect it has had.

My server (very high EU) usually crushes any of the two we’re up against during EU prime, so we’ve got ~300-600 PPT for a few hours, afterwards we lose everything as the other servers have got their early morning Karma trains and we have around 3-20 people on all maps from 2 am until 9 pm the next day. But anet can’t say: “Lets make this server medium, they’ve got no night shift” as maybe all of those who’d sign up would be prime time players as well.
And I got to this server when they were “high” btw. I don’t really care about the ratings, all servers I’ve been to had times in which no one was online; I’m used to it.

Thief
They’re still good in PvE.

I don’t want to be OP to be honest – I guess I want my old SA line back and I’m happy.

Edit: BUT anet really should think some more about the revealed traits and skills. Notonly from the viewpoint of thief but also the classes which can equip them and miss out on traits useful against all/more classes because of it.

Serious.7083:

The problem is it would be very difficult to cure this issue.

Disable first person view in wvw = problem solved

Magira.6390:

What is cof? And how much are the costs for a arena?

Citadel of Flame – a dungeon.
200 gold to create, 2 gold per day to maintain it.

Midi.8359:

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I already said that you are right – but that it would be a massive wall of text.
So I proposed that people make a thread with their build and their playstyle and rate the traits and skills after that – that way you only have the stuff which is used.
I’d make a post with my pve and wvw build and rate the traits/skills/weaponskills according to that.
I know that anet has got access to all the skills and builds we use but they don’t knw which thieves are built for competitive play, so maybe that would help our cause.

Tongku.5326:

It matters a great deal. I personally think the transfer costs in this game are a complete joke. kitten you can farm it in silverwastes in like 4-6 hours if you’re lucky, 6-8 hours if unlucky or have ultra low MF. With this kinda time investment you can go server hopping once a week with ease even if you are a casual player.

So you make 330 gold in one day by doing Silverwastes? Anet should look into that (and no, I don’t believe you, unless you’re very lucky and find precursers non stop).

Tongku.5326:

This in itself is wrong and GREATLY contributed to server stacking, guild buying etc. No one should be able to buy guilds, ever for any reason, period. Each and every individual player should be responsible and have a pause at the word “transfer” which is not the case currently.

Guilds have been bought before – I know of a guild which wasn’t only bought but is also paid for filling the off hours. So even if that happens the new system hasn’t changed anything regarding buying guilds.Personally I think it’s too early to say what this system did/does but I’m glad anet acknowledged that there is a population issue and tried to tackle it. By changing the status of low populated servers from “very high” to “high” they increase their chance to get new players. Not because of the status butbecause of the costs. Right now a lot of people may panic and still opt for higher tier servers “because they could be closed a week from now” but who knows. At least it’s a start.

Midi.8359:

The traits are all the same, but the context is very different. I could list how but I’m pretty sure you already know how.

I’m not sure if there’s a good way to tackle balancing an entire class for three game modes without making a wall of text. But irregardless, good luck in however you end up deciding to approach the issue.

That’s what anet does. So what good is it if we split it into 3 modes when it will be one in the end anyway?

I’m with you.

/15 chars

Midi.8359:

If you guys do ratings again, separate PvE/WvW/PvP ratings would provide a much more meaningful critique. I hope you guys consider putting in the extra effort to do so.

But the skills and traits are the same in all game modes.
I get your point but that would be a wall of text
So in the end maybe we should make a thread in which all of us post their build sheets and in which all of us say what problems we have/what we liked to be changed
And of course which game mode we play. We could still do that – I mean, since the “Nerf stealth” threads disappeared basically overnight there’s not much going on on this forum anyway.

Personally I’d like a thread in which all thieves list what skills they use as I bet it’s only 6 which are used which is the problem with the new condi removal options – there’s no use in splitting them into trickery, acrobatics and shadow skills as all of us use the same skills, no matter what build/weaponset.

I’m EU =)

/15 char

Sunflowers.1729:

I knew someone would come up with that argument. Just because I actually put time into playing Thief and can kill people means I’m somehow lying? Want a screenshot? Or will you just say that I stole it from someone?

Because you don’t seem to understand thieve’s mechanics – otherwise you would’ve gotten the point long ago.

Sunflowers.1729:

What point am I missing? The only actually viable counter stealth skill now is Lock On because you don’t have to take a valuable utility slot right now. You can take Sic Em, okay, but it wastes a utility slot for a 40s skill that does pretty much nothing else but reveal.

Other defenses like protection have counter skills like boon strip so why shouldn’t stealth have some too?

Edit: Damage isn’t a counter to stealth any more than damage is a counter to protection/regeneration/healing/anything that isn’t invincibility or blur

Because too much is tied to theve’s stealth, still and that should be changed if reveal is brought into this game as a mechanic and that is the point

Edit: And do me a favour and don’t pretend that you are playing thief – the wrong people might believe you.

Sunflowers.1729:

What point am I missing? The only actually viable counter stealth skill now is Lock On because you don’t have to take a valuable utility slot right now.

But you have to take a master trait and are missing out on other traits – also I find easier to change a skill than to change one’s build.

The point is that there’s stealth counter given to some classes but thief don’t get anything in return, so we are being nerfed by that. We’re just lucky that a) 99% of all rangers I ever met suicide on my daggerstorm, no stealth needed for that and b) no one uses these skills/traits. Still, implementing them into this game is bad design.

Not me, you’re currently talking to two people – and are missing the point.

Edit: No one ever said D/P sucks. Thief is pretty much at the bottom right now, yes. You can make one shot builds and die to condis or you can “permastealth” everything else is pretty much dead.

Sunflowers.1729:

Most classes have only 1 or 2 strong builds anyway. What’s going to happen to Eles if people have more ways to permanently chill them, for instance?

EVERYONE is forced to play a set way. I don’t like it but don’t pretend it’s only us who gets shafted. I’m not saying that crappy builds like P/P shouldn’t get buffed, I’m saying to stop pretending that our best build (D/P) sucks too.

scratching head where did you read that?

Sunflowers.1729:

You know shadow shot blinds right? All I’m saying is that you can keep your enemy blinded whenever you want.

Faux already answered that, although I already said it in my post: we have cooldowns and initative costs as well and opponents can either dodge or block our attacks.

Edit: And as a matter of fact I’m not a D/P thief – can I live too, pls? Honestly, I feel lucky that most of my opponents in wvw don’t use the reavel skills and traits, otherwise I would stand no chance. It’s poor game design.

Sunflowers.1729:

Our defense is being able to reset the fight at any time you want, keep an enemy permanently blinded, and also a zero-cooldown ranged daze (hi rapid fire)

Edit: Permanent blind may vary depending on enemy,

No sorry, we still have cooldowns, you still need to stealth to blind your enemy and that trait setup leaves you even more vulnerably than any other thief build – so yeah, the revealing in game is really bad for us and we got nothing in return.

Ilias.8647:

Regarding condis…

Its not condis themselves that are too storng… its the particular professions and skills that can apply many different powerful condis in large quantities over and over.

Try out Hybrid/Condi Warrior and you ’ll see its performance is not even close to a Condi Mesmer or Engi. When was it the last time you lost to a condi warr?

Even if you use Burns and fully go into condi damage a Warrior can’t reach the Burning levels other professions can…

Burning and confusion are out of control, so maybe your condi warrior can’t apply enough stacks, I have no idea, I just know that burn is really mean and I got hit by 16 stacks yesterday, by a guardian.

A bit earlier than 9 pm CEST (except fridays, sundays and today) and I’m in =)

Edit: Forgot, I’ll bring my necro and ranger – perfect, right?
(just kidding)

Yeah, rezzed our commander 3 times in midst of a zerg the other day – finally I’m useful!

Tongku.5326:

O ?

All my GW2 traffic ends up on Amazon Cloud. Literally. Not too hard to look it up on how to trace your own traffic so you can see where / who you are connected to and verify for yourself. Wasn’t aware of anyone except Amazon actually owning Amazon Cloud, unless the traffic gets forwarded from there and thats simply where the trace ends, though that is doubtful.

Registrant Name: NCsoft Corp.
Registrant Organization: NCsoft Corp.

Doesn’t look like amazon to me – that’s the last 3 servers on my connection.

Thought about it some more – side strikes could need a percentage buff since critical chance has been stealth nerfed.

TEAM GREATSWORD

kitten widget.9301:

Just for curiosity, what is your build Jana?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVl0MhunY5Tw6JQ/EH7EkfKb5K8TMiOsDQtnAA-TlCEABLq+TK7PYwDAgJlTNpkBQlgtpvAhjIAAnIgHOEAkBQfMA-w

My main, my other thieves have got different gear and use haste instead of thrill of the crime.

Edit: The food differs depending the situation this is the easiest for me to come by.

Don’t really agree with side strikes and hidden killer – I think both traits are fine as they are – but I have no troubles to backstab my opponents, except if my game bugs and lags and the targetting system isn’t that good either. But otherwise it’s just something to get used to, I guess.
I’m not happy with Signet of shadows, I use it (yes, I know) but once activated I’m dead. Also I still seem to be a lot slower than everybody else, not sure why that is – so in my opinion it could use buffs all around (I often turn it off now because it’s more or less useless, I’m just too used to it to ditch it completely).
I still want CiS in master tier, I want to be able to take SE, CiS and Shadows Rejuvenation. I don’t really understand why there’s two traits in the same line which regenerate health.
Also I’d like a way to counter fear as previously possible with SE and it would be great if condis were removed faster, or if the condis were toned down in general – it’s really depressing to watch myself die to 5 stacks of confusion I can’t clear.

As usual I’m talking about the traits and skills I use from the viewpoint of wvw – I don’t think anet should leave that game mode out when it comes to balancing – or they should remove runes of perplexity from the game if it’s not allowed in pvp, the game mode used for balancing. We really could use some help in wvw.

Edit: Good job Teefs (and leader and yolo) =)

Vegetation.6419:

It’s because they can spam emotes and fill your chatbox.

You can even turn that off – I used to block everybody who was spamming emotes – now I don’t have to anymore

Anyway, in general: I like it like it is right now – noobs don’t know how to whisper you, those who really want can do it – I had a lot of funny encounters with enemies and some of them are the reason why I transferred to my current server which I don’t regret.