Okay Drps and Stealth… we get it… Jeez. Why do you have to go on and on and on about everything and cry and cry and cry? /facepalm
If its so good and thakittens the “best” one out there, put videos vs. top/good players. ANY statement requires credibility and that’s pretty much a given.
This build is too frivolous just by looking at it.
So in other words, you don’t believe me… you are a meanie dummy head.
Way too incompetent and heavily punishable. Mainly due to Axe autos being weak by itself, off-hand Axe getting destroyed by retal, and Hammer being extremely telegraphed.
Try again.
Don’t force me to squeeze your nose and twiddle your ears whilst whistling the theme song to the Andy Griffith’s Show!
Here’s your answer
The current patch is an attempt to do small “shavings” to bring the class into line with these goals, in the same way we tried to “shave” the Ele numerous times, rather than “nerfing it from orbit”. Are all Ele specs equally viable in all game types? No. Is this ok? Yes. Staff can see play in one game type while D/D or S/D see play in others. As we’ve said, we’ll split skills/weapons more and more in the variuos game types, but each time we split a skill, it gives us more update work down the road. We have to be very prudent when we split skills.
@Jonathan Sharp
This is sad. I don’t really play Elementalists that much, but my heart cries for them.
I do not want this. I only want people watching me on my terms. I don’t always want someone watching me play. It makes me uncomfortable and I wouldn’t enjoy the game if this option was made available for all rated matches.
The build for Mesmer in this comp is not the usual Shatter build but you can tweak it however you like. If you’re tired of this meta and want to make them eat BURST try this!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RREYzw6wjTVnXltv9IslcwA-fOG701FAOWqDNcI96U4/edit
You know what… hats off to Helseth for thinking outside of the box and trying something new. Nevertheless, when playing this build, you feel like you’re trying to fit a large square peg into a small circular hole.
In other words, I don’t think it can fulfil the the intended function.
I tried a lvl 2 mesmer in spvp and stomped everyone.. Mesmer is the most powerful profession if you ask me… So much damage with so little effort
lol… I know you’re trolling bro. Too obvious. lol
Don’t expect a response on this one. Anet has already addressed this thread many-many times. “The use of clones is only meant to provide a temporary distraction.” “The clone is intended to provide the foundation for the mesmer shatter abilities, not to leave a opponent entirely unsure which one is the player.” If you back read through the mesmer forums you’ll find they have answered all of your questions in this thread, apart from the red arrow in down state.
I actually went to the trouble of reading through the entire Mesmer board. This is not true. They said they wouldn’t give clones dodges, which is fine. The offhand bug though is ludicrous and needs to be fixed.
Not just the offhand bug, but the big arrow on the head when downed. Ridiculous.
Regardless, Mesmers are in a fine place, but the current meta revolves around Necromancers, and certain Necromancer builds are direct counters to certain Mesmer builds. Therefore people automatically believe Mesmer is completely utterly unviable, when that is simply not the case.
I feel dumb for responding, but I must respond to this…
Let’s get rid of the Necro condi spam meta… and turn back the hands of time. Which builds are viable for Mesmer in the high end competitive meta?
Oh that’s right Shatter… Sword/Focus. What else? Phantasm? NO!, Condi? NO!, Bunker? NO!… that’s right Shatter.
One build. One. 1. Uno.
Even if we got rid of the current meta Mesmers would still only have one build. One. How is that Mesmer’s being in a good spot? And if you mention crappy non viable builds like Phantasm and Retaliation Bunker as being a possibility in any meta then you are a joke and a terrible player.
GS Phantasmal is viable, it’s also the current roaming meta, and if you disagree with me, then you aren’t as familiar with Mesmer as you think you are. Shatter is viable, though significantly underused in today’s meta. Prismatic Condition was also made very powerful, but the stealth unfortunately makes it unviable. So yes, 2 builds. I agree, that’s pathetic. If you want to complain about build variety, then fine. However, Mesmer is still viable. Since they provide a burst and utility combination no other class can.
Yes, I agree, Mesmer’s build variety sucks, but that’s not grounds to say Mesmer sucks.
GS Phantasm build is a joke. If you play against a good team, you may as well 4/5. I can’t take you seriously anymore. Thanks for the confirmation.
I know you. I spoke with you in Team Speak one night when you were “teaching” me about Necromancers.
Obviously you weren’t one of my better students, since I tend to remember them.
Well I play a Mesmer, and I’m ranked in the top 400. I’m not the best player in the world, but I’m not terrible and I know more than a little about my class. Mesmers are NOT in a good spot right now.
I can prove to you that they are ingame.
Also, never point to rank as a viable argument. Ranking in the game is broken, and tends to be based more upon luck than anything, and most of the players that point to their rank for viability tend to not know what they speak of.
Whatever. Obviously you have some hidden agenda. I’m done responding to you. I’ll leave you to continue to troll the current state of Mesmers and every other sensible Mesmer worth their salt.
I know you. I spoke with you in Team Speak one night when you were “teaching” me about Necromancers.
Obviously you weren’t one of my better students, since I tend to remember them.
Well I play a Mesmer, and I’m ranked in the top 400. I’m not the best player in the world, but I’m not terrible and I know more than a little about my class. Mesmers are NOT in a good spot right now.
@J. Sharp-Mesmers have some counters to conditions but when specced completely to counter conditions they are doing that and nothing else. That is the issue we are coming across in this meta. Classes are able to use conditions and clear them. Or counter them and maintain a relative resistance to them while still doing something decent for the team.
Right now mesmers cannot both use counters to conditions and still be effective for their team. The CD on nullfield was a nice start but mesmers still need some sort of overhaul when it comes to considering how they counter conditions compared to others. It’s not that players don’t like to run those things in standard mesmer builds. It is once the mesmer starts running those things they are taking away from the effectiveness of their intended role. Necros/Engis/Warr/Rangers/Guards/Thieves are able to decently deal with conditions and still fulfill their team role.
Hi, I’m a Mesmer. I can do everything you said we can’t.
Now what?
You’re not a Mesmer. You’re predominantly play a Necro, I know you. You’re also not that “pro”. (I’m trying to be nice here)
Obviously you do not know me, then. I main Mesmer. I gave up Necro when I realized I had an unfair advantage over most other classes. I only use my Necro in high-stakes games, or when I feel the need to theory craft. I decided it would be a good time as any to master the Mesmer.
Any player that knows me personally, and fights against me often, knows what I am capable of. You obviously do not know me, or never fought me.
Or perhaps you’re judging based off of a random solo queue, when I was testing a theory crafted build. Because those always show pure skill.
So you’re new to Mesmer and you play against bad players. Okay gotcha.
I’m not new to Mesmer. I play whatever players I end up fighting. As I stated, you obviously do not know me, and I do not know you.
Anything else before I ignore you? Skeptical people that ignore facts/logic and choose to discredit rather than disprove tend to annoy me, and I tend to ignore them.
I know you. I spoke with you in Team Speak one night when you were “teaching” me about Necromancers.
@J. Sharp-Mesmers have some counters to conditions but when specced completely to counter conditions they are doing that and nothing else. That is the issue we are coming across in this meta. Classes are able to use conditions and clear them. Or counter them and maintain a relative resistance to them while still doing something decent for the team.
Right now mesmers cannot both use counters to conditions and still be effective for their team. The CD on nullfield was a nice start but mesmers still need some sort of overhaul when it comes to considering how they counter conditions compared to others. It’s not that players don’t like to run those things in standard mesmer builds. It is once the mesmer starts running those things they are taking away from the effectiveness of their intended role. Necros/Engis/Warr/Rangers/Guards/Thieves are able to decently deal with conditions and still fulfill their team role.
Hi, I’m a Mesmer. I can do everything you said we can’t.
Now what?
You’re not a Mesmer. You’re predominantly play a Necro, I know you. You’re also not that “pro”. (I’m trying to be nice here)
Obviously you do not know me, then. I main Mesmer. I gave up Necro when I realized I had an unfair advantage over most other classes. I only use my Necro in high-stakes games, or when I feel the need to theory craft. I decided it would be a good time as any to master the Mesmer.
Any player that knows me personally, and fights against me often, knows what I am capable of. You obviously do not know me, or never fought me.
Or perhaps you’re judging based off of a random solo queue, when I was testing a theory crafted build. Because those always show pure skill.
So you’re new to Mesmer and you play against bad players. Okay gotcha.
@J. Sharp-Mesmers have some counters to conditions but when specced completely to counter conditions they are doing that and nothing else. That is the issue we are coming across in this meta. Classes are able to use conditions and clear them. Or counter them and maintain a relative resistance to them while still doing something decent for the team.
Right now mesmers cannot both use counters to conditions and still be effective for their team. The CD on nullfield was a nice start but mesmers still need some sort of overhaul when it comes to considering how they counter conditions compared to others. It’s not that players don’t like to run those things in standard mesmer builds. It is once the mesmer starts running those things they are taking away from the effectiveness of their intended role. Necros/Engis/Warr/Rangers/Guards/Thieves are able to decently deal with conditions and still fulfill their team role.
Hi, I’m a Mesmer. I can do everything you said we can’t.
Now what?
You’re not a Mesmer. You’re predominantly a Necromancer, I know you. You’re also not that “pro”. (I’m trying to be nice here)
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Agreed.
You know what game has a real, balanced meta?SWTOR.
Hate on it all you want, but everything that GW2 is lacking, SWTOR has.
I almost peed myself laughing at this. lol. Thanks for brightening up my day bud. lmao.
Mesmer beat just about everything else in 1v1 except for warriors.
On a strictly 1v1 basis, I don’t think a good player should ever lose to a shatter Mesmer. That’s just my personal opinion. Shatters are very telegraphed and easy to dodge.
Fighting a Phantasm Mesmer, it’s a little trickier… Nevertheless, any high damage class should be able to beat them. The abilities are VERY telegraphed and delayed… you can also “line of sight” and dodge them.
It strikes me that the phantasm build could almost be viable in the low organisation environment of solo queue. Out of curiousity, what does it lose to 1v1?
Necromancer, Spirit Ranger, Shout Ranger, Stun Lock Warrior, Zerker Longbow Warrior, Engineer, Burst Elementalist, SD Thief, DP Thief and Symbol Guardian.
yep exactly thats what i thought too…they also put an arrow above the downed mesmer to show people who the right one is..thats ridiculous
I always wondered about this. It’s so stupid. What’s the point of the ability if it has a HUGE arrow pointing on your head saying “HERE I AM”.
Build diversity is actually not bad for the mesmer. There are basically a lot of possibilites, burst (shatter).
Note viable in the current meta.
dps (illusions/phantasms)
Not viable in any meta.
conditions (shatter)
Not viable in any prior metas.
support (mantra)
Not viable in competitive arenas.
deception (cc, glamour).
Not viable at all.
Did someone just say warriors hard counter spirit rangers…….
Yes, because they are.
Please for the love of god be joking. If your not may the gods have mercy on your senseless mind <3
I wouldn’t have been as curt if you didn’t respond like this ^.
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There is nothing worse that someone being condescending AND wrong on top of it. It’s one of my pet peeves.God than you must really hate yourself huh?
Did someone just say warriors hard counter spirit rangers…….
Yes, because they are.
Please for the love of god be joking. If your not may the gods have mercy on your senseless mind <3
I wouldn’t have been as curt if you didn’t respond like this ^.
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There is nothing worse that someone being condescending AND wrong on top of it. It’s one of my pet peeves.
Did someone just say warriors hard counter spirit rangers…….
Yes, because they are.
Please for the love of god be joking. If your not may the gods have mercy on your senseless mind <3
Anyone who knows anything about PvP right now will tell you that Warriors counter Spirit Rangers. You either don’t PvP much so you wouldn’t really know, or you’re a little new to the game so you’re low ranked and not as experienced with the intricacies of the profession mechanics… that’s me saying in a nice way that you’re probably just bad.
I think you are playing your ranger wrong if warriors are hard countering you.
I play a Mesmer.
This explains your lack of knowledge on the subject
Well, I main on a Mesmer… but I play most of the professions competitively.
Spirit rangers who are decent at their class shouldnt be getting hard countered by warriors. Either you played a warrior and owned some extremely bad spirit rangers or you were playing a spirit ranger didnt understand the class and lost to some warriors. Either way i am not sinking down to your level and calling someone else bad. It looks very childish to everyone reading this thread.
Maybe I should rephrase. A good Warrior -should- counter a good Spirit Ranger 1v1. Spirit Rangers bring more to a team fight however.
Maybe I should rephrase. You do not know what you are talking about. A Spirit ranger and a warrior at the same skill level will end with the spirit ranger winning
You sir are incorrect. I believe you are incorrect because you don’t know any better due to the deplorable state of your gaming capability and lack of basic knowledge of class mechanics.
Isn’t the entire point of warriors right now in the metagame to counter spirit rangers, condition necromancers and engineers?
Obviously, that is why tpvp teams consist of 2 warriors.
I’m speechless. A comment like this doesn’t deserve a response. I’m ashamed of myself.
sigh i didnt think i needed to do this but
S A R C A S A M
noun
1.
harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2.
a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
um… duh? Now re-read what I said with the fact now in your mind that I fully well knew that you were being sarcastic.
Did someone just say warriors hard counter spirit rangers…….
Yes, because they are.
Please for the love of god be joking. If your not may the gods have mercy on your senseless mind <3
Anyone who knows anything about PvP right now will tell you that Warriors counter Spirit Rangers. You either don’t PvP much so you wouldn’t really know, or you’re a little new to the game so you’re low ranked and not as experienced with the intricacies of the profession mechanics… that’s me saying in a nice way that you’re probably just bad.
I think you are playing your ranger wrong if warriors are hard countering you.
I play a Mesmer.
This explains your lack of knowledge on the subject
Well, I main on a Mesmer… but I play most of the professions competitively.
Spirit rangers who are decent at their class shouldnt be getting hard countered by warriors. Either you played a warrior and owned some extremely bad spirit rangers or you were playing a spirit ranger didnt understand the class and lost to some warriors. Either way i am not sinking down to your level and calling someone else bad. It looks very childish to everyone reading this thread.
Maybe I should rephrase. A good Warrior -should- counter a good Spirit Ranger 1v1. Spirit Rangers bring more to a team fight however.
Isn’t the entire point of warriors right now in the metagame to counter spirit rangers, condition necromancers and engineers?
Obviously, that is why tpvp teams consist of 2 warriors.
I’m speechless. A comment like this doesn’t deserve a response. I’m ashamed of myself.
Did someone just say warriors hard counter spirit rangers…….
Yes, because they are.
Please for the love of god be joking. If your not may the gods have mercy on your senseless mind <3
Anyone who knows anything about PvP right now will tell you that Warriors counter Spirit Rangers. You either don’t PvP much so you wouldn’t really know, or you’re a little new to the game so you’re low ranked and not as experienced with the intricacies of the profession mechanics… that’s me saying in a nice way that you’re probably just bad.
I think you are playing your ranger wrong if warriors are hard countering you.
I play a Mesmer.
This explains your lack of knowledge on the subject
Well, I main on a Mesmer… but I play most of the professions competitively.
Did someone just say warriors hard counter spirit rangers…….
Yes, because they are.
Please for the love of god be joking. If your not may the gods have mercy on your senseless mind <3
Anyone who knows anything about PvP right now will tell you that Warriors counter Spirit Rangers. You either don’t PvP much so you wouldn’t really know, or you’re a little new to the game so you’re low ranked and not as experienced with the intricacies of the profession mechanics… that’s me saying in a nice way that you’re probably just bad.
I think you are playing your ranger wrong if warriors are hard countering you.
I play a Mesmer.
Isn’t the entire point of warriors right now in the metagame to counter spirit rangers, condition necromancers and engineers?
Yes. He is just a bad player.
Did someone just say warriors hard counter spirit rangers…….
Yes, because they are.
Please for the love of god be joking. If your not may the gods have mercy on your senseless mind <3
Anyone who knows anything about PvP right now will tell you that Warriors counter Spirit Rangers. You either don’t PvP much so you wouldn’t really know, or you’re a little new to the game so you’re low ranked and not as experienced with the intricacies of the profession mechanics… that’s me saying in a nice way that you’re probably just bad.
Did someone just say warriors hard counter spirit rangers…….
Yes, because they are.
Rangers should not lose to stance Warriors. The spirit actives play a key role in that match up but if you are aiming high level then Rangers should win.
Warriors hard counter Spirit Rangers right now. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.
I thought of a great idea just now. All on my own… wouldn’t it be a great idea to have Profession specific finishers? It unlocks once you’ve achieved your Profession specific champion title. So like a Mesmer specific finisher once you’ve unlocked Champion Illusionist…
Or even take it a step further and have a Ransacker specific finisher as well.
What are your views?
When you begin to see 5 rangers teams, you SHOULD think there is a problem with the meta. Just sayin’ …
I’ve seen 5 Thief Teams, 5 Mesmer Teams (go team Mesmer), 5 Necro Teams, 5 Guardian Teams… and they all stomped people… This is not a reflection of “the meta”.
Spirit Rangers are good. But the way you are whining about them is stupid and unjustifiable. I’m hard pressed to think that you are a good player.
The map isn’t bad. I just think the canon needs to be nerfed. That’s it really…
What would be the point of this challenge though?
we need same kind of rivalry as some EVE “guilds” have!
I think we need more than that. The drama between EVE guilds were quite mild compared to what I have in mind.
look, warriors have one of their best build nerfed to the ground and its still one of the builds thats most used. gg
Contrary to popular belief, Warriors are in a pretty good spot.
This is pretty much the result of people talking “Mesmer is strong in PvP, doesn’t need buffs”. That’s just so wrong. Shatter Mesmer is strong. The rest is meh in PvP (mostly because of the only gametype atm).
The biggest fear I have at the moment are more useless interrupt buffs. I just can’t see interrupt builds work in GW2. Sigh. A game where everyone is spamming instacasts, on characters as big as a toenail and without any castbars. “Obvious” animations, and stuff.
Let’s make a class that’s focused on interrupts, sounds like a plan.Dear arenanet, please don’t screw this. :/
Precisely… only having the almighty shatter build is a flawed game design. They need to give Mesmer more options.
This is the best spirit weapon build.
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http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-7Z-g;1RFF80V3RG-90;9;4T;0JJ59A;428-48-S-F6;2H7l1AoF28BB
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I think it does more burst than any other profession in the game.
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Summon your weapons… Empower them with your staff… F1, Switch to Greatsword… watch your spirits die to aoe very quickly without doing anything.Fixd
It really depends on what classes you’re fighting against and how big the team fight is. Spirit Weapon build is much better as a far point pusher, you generally want to avoid 4v4 and up. I wouldn’t say any build that uses AI pets isn’t viable just because they can get cleaved, for example Spirit Ranger. For me, the biggest trouble I have is against good players that kite the weapons well and know when to dodge the hammer.
By the way, the build I posted was Cymberdown’s build. He is the best Guardian and Theorycrafter in the game.
I don’t agree with the OP. Voip is a good thing.
If you think spirit rangers are OP then you are a bad player. I play a Mesmer.
I agree. Please.
This is the best spirit weapon build.
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http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-7Z-g;1RFF80V3RG-90;9;4T;0JJ59A;428-48-S-F6;2H7l1AoF28BB
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I think it does more burst than any other profession in the game.
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Summon your weapons… Empower them with your staff… F1, Switch to Greatsword… watch your spirits die to aoe very quickly without doing anything.Fixd
Yeah… but still… if they don’t die though… MASSIVE damage!!!1one!!!
Mesmer is bottom of the list right now. Every other class can do it better. Zero Mesmers at PAX.
I also don’t want to be pigeonholed into playing a Shatter build again.
Mesmer is fine, Necro is overpowered.
Anything else?
You’re half right.
Necro is overpowered. Nevertheless, even if Necromancers were not overpowered, Mesmer still wouldn’t be “fine”. Having one viable build (shatter) isn’t acceptable. I don’t personally find Shatter fun, and Phantasms are not viable.
The current issue is that not even shatter works right now. So let’s blame Necromancers (they are easy target)… even if the meta flops back to what it used to be… having one viable spec is still stupid.
Anything else?
This is the best spirit weapon build.
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http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-7Z-g;1RFF80V3RG-90;9;4T;0JJ59A;428-48-S-F6;2H7l1AoF28BB
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I think it does more burst than any other profession in the game.
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Summon your weapons… Empower them with your staff… F1, Switch to Greatsword… watch everything melt in your path.
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It takes a lot of setup, but I’m pretty sure no other profession in the game does as much burst as this spec.
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This thread is about sPVP. Nothing in WvW matters.
I main ranger and this build is mind-numbingly powerful.
proc spirits
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dodge a few times for good measure
Target is either dead or running.I’m either a spirit crutcher or I end up having a bad time.
I’ll be shelving my ranger for a while.
You’re either lying or you play against very bad players due to the fact that you are in the lower level brackets.