Guild Wars 2

Stealth.9324:

You don’t want to be the same level as him,you are better than him, so don’t repeat what he did

Do you really know how this “feud” started between our guilds? To really ask is to open the door to the whirlwind. The answer may annihilate the question and the questioner.

Why would a random stranger started trolling you? It seems almost absurd that one would do so… the answer could be that I am a lunatic… perhaps… perhaps… perhaps…

If you have never considered the possibility that the people from your camp were wrong… if you have never questioned the history you know of the matter and the source… and if you have no wish to do so… then you are likely ignorant.

He is better than me? Pfft…

If you’re looking for a relaxed PvP guild with stellar players who can not or do not want conform to the demeaning and loutish behaviour of traditional “hardcore” gaming teams then this is the guild for you.

Our players demonstrate above-average intelligence, exemplary skill, a thorough understanding of game mechanics, maturity, a strong command of the English language, and a lack of kittening, kittengery, kittentery, and anything else that would make themselves unpleasant to be around.

We are more than just good players, we are looking to for a team of people who we will enjoy killing other players with.

P.s. We are also very good dancers.

IGN: Chris Lawrence
Main Profession: Mesmer
Account Name: Jasher.6580
Time Zone/What time can you get on: I am on the same time schedule as the East Coast of the United States, Eastern Standard Time, except during the period of daylight-saving time. My country does not recognize daylight-saving time.
Current PvP rank: 38

I can crush a Phantasm Mesmer with my Sword/Dagger Thief. Cake.

I’m 100% certain that all the people complaining about the lolPhantasm build are either:

A. Have been playing the game for a long time, are bad at it and there is no hope for them to get better.

or

B. New at the game and will get better but they are currently bad.

ronpierce.2760:

Who all here is a Phantasm Mesmer, raise your hand.[/quote]

You must be joking. :\

I hear a lot of people saying that they are “over the top 1v1”… I can think of a few specs that are more than capable of smashing them 1v1.

BM Ranger
S/D Thief
S/P Thief
Minion Necro
Bunker Engi
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Now considering that there are 5 specs which can smash them 1v1 on top of the fact that they are useless in team fights… you should know by now why Mesmers who are serious about sPvP choose to be shatter Mesmers.
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I’ll say this as well, I think that Engineers, Guardians, Elementalists and Thieves have better 1v1 specs than the joke that is Phantasm Mesmers.

The number of top teams with Phantasm Mesmers = Zero.
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The number of good players who have a problem going up against Phantasm Mesmer = Zero.
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All I hear from some of you in this thread is… “I don’t like this style of gameplay, it shouldn’t be in the game.”

Newsflash… a lot of people enjoy it. The build is far from overpowered, and borderline useless in competitive gameplay.

Leave it be.

Hi Jon, I really appreciate your time and your involvement in the forums. I must say however that after testing… it’s most definitely not “damage floaters”. Well… let me say… it’s not just a “damage floater” issue. The damage (or lack thereof) is borked. I urge you and your team… please fix it. Please.

Kind Regards.

I don’t have an issue fighting against Asura.

Stealth.9324:

HeroxZ.7196:

Decrypter.1785:

Jasher.6580:

Decrypter.1785:

Who is jasher ? lol

I thought I introduced myself appropriately and in great detail. I am a very bad player who is better than everyone on your team.

Yes you introduced yourself when me + pugs beat youre premade Guild group yesterday 500-200

p.s You really as bad as you say

Pugs what pugs? those werent pugs.. also dont really need to be all happy over one win sir. as i recall we beaten you plenty of times…

He has 4 team mates + 1 pug that beat your pre made grps, unless u have pugs in there too.

Oh really… let me reiterate… I am BAD… if a PuG carried any of you baddies and beat us… then that is understandable… why? Because I am very bad. Nevertheless… your core team is incapable of beating us because you are all worse than bad.

Decrypter.1785:

Who is jasher ? lol

I thought I introduced myself appropriately and in great detail. I am a very bad player who is better than everyone on your team.

I thought I was the worst player imaginable… let’s face it folks… I’m pretty terrible at this game…

I’m willing to bet that your great grandmother could beat me at this game blindfolded…

Yes, I am bad… I thought I was the worst…

That was until I met these guys.

They are inexperienced, uncoordinated, disillusioned and incompetent. Good luck winning anything playing on this team.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Toss out ranger disadvantage “not very mobile”. They are one of the most mobile classes in the game. Otherwise, you nailed our limited group utility on the head.

Also add “aoe buffs from pet” and “lots of built-in evades” to the pros.

I updated it.

aydenunited.5729:

shockwave.1764:

Engineer
Advantages
+High damage output for a bunker
+Lots of control (knockbacks mainly)
+High dodge rate
+Lots of blocks
+Condition heavy (for a bunker)
+Knockbacks are easy to time for interrupts
+Lots of AoE
+Many Blast finishers (good for stacking might/healing)
+Ability to self revive (If running Elixir R)
+High regen uptime
+Can decap a point very fast
Disadvantages
-Susceptible to burst
-Not much condi removal
-No stability
-No viable access to buffs
-Bad for rezzing down allies in a fight. (excluding throw elixir R)
-Not much team support

Just wanting to add here, unlike other bunker professions, Engie bunkers often have sutble to major differences in between builds, just because of how trait dependant we can become, so these are subject to change depending on bunker type.

Good point, I’m trying to think of a solution on how to structure the OP around these subtle differences.

yolosmurf.8052:

He`s not playing tourneys – pretty much not at all -!

That’s my point. You ARE wrong. He is in my guild and we are a pvp guild. We play tourney’s every day.

yolosmurf.8052:

shockwave.1764:

yolosmurf.8052:

so you just copy paste what a random r 27 who never ever plays the game posts

NICE!

overall i gotta say QUATILITY THREAD!

are you talking about me?

I play everyday. Refute some things I say, rather than be some annoying kitten

Idc if you play everyday with your kitten – keep that to yourself.

Your gw2 shack stats show very nicely that you havent been playing jackkitten in months except for that one thursday.

He’s in my guild. He plays every day. He’s also a very good player.

yolosmurf.8052:

so you just copy paste what a random r 27 who never ever plays the game posts

NICE!

overall i gotta say QUATILITY THREAD!

First of all… even if someone supplied counterfactual data, it doesn’t negate the actuality that the thread still possesses the potential of being a thread filled with Quality* data. The expectation I have for this thread is to stimulate healthy discussions on bunker builds.

The information garnered will be 100% community driven. The original post is not set in stone.

If there was misinformation uploaded to the OP and you disagree with the information, you could simply highlight the reality of the situation and ping pong the “facts” among other subject matter experts contributing to the thread.

Awesome feedback, someone sent me a PM updating Mesmers as well.

Someone sent me some information to update Rangers. Still looking for more feedback from the community.

I updated the original post. I got some additional feedback in game and in my inbox… Nevertheless, I would like to urge everyone to participate actively in the thread and refrain from sending me private messages. I’d like to encourage some healthy discussion and debates as well concerning some of the contributions.

Kind Regards

I’ll update the original post as I procure feedback from the community. This will act as a guide for players both new and old. I think it is important for players to identify and subsume realistic expectations of themselves and their team-mates in regards to the capabilities of each of the Bunker varieties.

Format:

Guardian

Advantages
+ Stability
+ Boon-Sharing through Shouts
+ Condition Removal
+ General blocks to assist in avoiding burst (aegis/shelter/ focus)
+ Best class for rezzing (traits, sanctuary)

Disadvantages
- Poor Mobility (in terms of kiting and getting out of a fight)
- Not a true bunker when compared to other bunkers (more of a hybrid group support)
- The least capable bunker when solo bunking
- The most susceptible to burst if you are not paying attention due to low health pool.
- Very low damage.

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Engineer

Advantages
+High damage output for a bunker
+Lots of control (knockbacks mainly)
+High dodge rate
+Lots of blocks
+Condition heavy (for a bunker)
+Knockbacks are easy to time for interrupts
+Lots of AoE
+Many Blast finishers (good for stacking might/healing)
+Ability to self revive (If running Elixir R)
+High regen uptime
+Can decap a point very fast

Disadvantages
-Susceptible to burst
-Not much condi removal
-No stability
-No viable access to buffs
-Bad for rezzing down allies in a fight.
-Not much team support

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Elementalist

Advantages
+Good damage output for a bunker
+Good condition removal
+Good heals on a low CD
+Great team support (boons, heals, condition removal)
+Ok stability uptime
+3 Stun breaks
+Mist Form
+Mobility (if you hit your target)
+Good for rezzing if Mist Form is off CD

Disadvantages
-Needs boons to be effective => vulnerable to boon removal
-Low HP => vulnerable to burst
-Needs to dodge a lot to tank => vulnerable to immobilize, knockdowns, etc.
-Mobility (if you don’t hit your target)
-Bad for rezzing if Mist Form is on CD

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Ranger

Advantages
+High Damage
+Condition Removal
+Very good Healing/Regeneration
+Decent group synergy (combo fields)
+Powerful Elite
+AoE Buffs from Pets
+Built in Evades

Disadvantages
-Limited group support
-Buggy Pet AI

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Mesmer

Advantages
+ Great group support through mantra heals, random boons and vigour.
+ Invulnerabilities vs Bursts
+ Great in-combat mobility
+ Decent cleansing
+ Stability
+ Good defense vs CC through instant casting heals/movement skills while stunned

Disadvantages
- Dies to condition overload
- Susceptible to Interrupts
- Weaker if solo-bunkering

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Necromancer

Advantages
+ Deathshroud
+ High HP-Pool
+ Plague form

Disadvantages
- No stability (besides the useless trait)
- Not enough healing
- No stun breaks
- Nothing to defend against projectiles
- No viable access on boons
- No support for the group, besides fears and wells

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Thief

Advantages

Disadvantages

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Warrior

Advantages
+ Boon sharing (warhorn, banners; statincrease)
+ AoE Rezz
+ Condition remove (warhorn, shouts, mending)
+ Good in Rezzing (traits)
+ blocks / 0-dmg receive (endure pain, shield stance)

Disadvantages
- Not enough healing to sustain (shouts not healing effectively)
- Doesn’t bring much teamsupport in
- Bad in 1v1 situations
- Not enough stability / save-stomps (balance stance has a too high cd)
- No synergy in traitlines/utilities for bunkering (endure pain and balance stance are not shouts = not healing)

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bhagwad.4281:

Jasher.6580:

bhagwad.4281:

Archaon.6245:

bhagwad.4281:

Guild Wars 2 is NOT a team based game. Just because you have the option to play in a team does not make it team based. When I roll a phantasm mesmer in hotjoin, I couldn’t care less about the team and I usually end up getting the highest rank points of everyone in the arena.

What was that about “team based” game again?

Yeay i get the highest glory in hotjoin so i’m sooo good….

Not even worth an answer, i don’t like flaming ppl to death…

Since the entire goal of PvP is get rank points, I think it’s pretty obvious that those who get the most are the best.

Do we really need to debate this?

“Rank Points” are meaningless… if you lose game matches, your footing on the leaderboards attenuates.

Losing/winning matches is a reflection of your team not personal skill. I think it’s pretty absurd that leaderboards are individual based for matches that are not really individual skill related.

Rank points are the only measurable form of progress in the game along with better gear etc. Ergo, the person with max rank points is by definition the best PvP player.

You are the bad player who stays on points to cap them with 2 other people just to accumulate points.

bhagwad.4281:

Archaon.6245:

bhagwad.4281:

Guild Wars 2 is NOT a team based game. Just because you have the option to play in a team does not make it team based. When I roll a phantasm mesmer in hotjoin, I couldn’t care less about the team and I usually end up getting the highest rank points of everyone in the arena.

What was that about “team based” game again?

Yeay i get the highest glory in hotjoin so i’m sooo good….

Not even worth an answer, i don’t like flaming ppl to death…

Since the entire goal of PvP is get rank points, I think it’s pretty obvious that those who get the most are the best.

Do we really need to debate this?

“Rank Points” are meaningless… if you lose game matches, your footing on the leaderboards attenuates.

Hexs.8015:

I think its reasonable to assume the devs are looking into both BM rangers and phantasm mesmers

How many Phantasm Mesmers are in the current meta? Oh that’s right… zero… I wonder why?

applied disbelief.8763:

If you make projectiles in this game fast enough to where they have to actually be dodged in order to dodge, then there is no problem. If you are going to leave them so slow that simply jiggling the left and right buttons will allow a target to never be hit, then you need to make the projectiles track. Otherwise, your entire projectile mechanics system is simply broken.

John, I agree with the above poster. Strafing from left to right shouldn’t completely negate damage like the video below.

Warriors are the “Golden Child” class. Both devs in charge of balance main on a Warrior.

Even if you have stat boosts from trait lines, your stats would be significantly better if you have the stat boosts PLUS combat-centric gear.

The only thing someone accomplishes from wearing magic find gear in a party is perpetuating selfishness.

Also, very good Thieves… and I’m not talking about your average run of the mill Thieves, I’m talking about top players… someone who knows the Thief inside out, will eat up a Phantasm Mesmer for dinner, no matter how good the Phantasm Mesmer is.

Power Necro’s, Bunker BM Ranger and a well played Engineer are counters to Phantasm Mesmers.

A toggle is needed, like yesterday. This will singlehandedly break PvP for me.

Luthan.5236:

Or you could just stop falling.

Please don’t force me to squeeze your nose and twiddle your ears. Because I will… trust me, I will!

Is it possible for the devs to remove this “feature”? Also, I find that I randomly get put in combat for no particular reason. No enemies around, no fall damage… nothing. This may be a bug. But it is annoying, since it slows down run speed.

I agree with the OP. I hated potions and mana in other games.

I updated my original post with the relevant information.

daydream.2938:

If your going to get feedback you need to post your playtimes, whether your Eu or Na.
etc

Oh you’re absolutely right… I didn’t think of that!

Okay, I’m from Jamaica (in the Caribbean). We are on Atlantic Standard Time, which means that in summer it’s one hour behind Eastern Standard Time, and in winter it’s on EST.

That being said, I usually get home from work at around 6:00 PM my time. I get something to eat and get settled in and ready to game around 7:00 PM till whenever. I play on a NA server.

Thanks for pointing that out. Looking forward to hearing from some folks.

I’ll just take an inbox message here on the forums. Or they can send me an in game mail through my forum tag. I don’t think the server matters beyond the fact that I’m on a US server.

Hi there, a little about myself.

My prior gaming experience was primarily World of Warcraft. I did however dabble in other mmorpg’s as well. I was a hardcore raider for about 5+ years. Nevertheless, I found the hardcore raiding environment psychologically toxic so I decided to take a step away from that domain.

I’m looking for a relaxed guild/team with stellar players who can not or do not want conform to the demeaning and loutish behaviour of traditional “hardcore” gaming teams. I would love to be a part of a group where the players demonstrate above-average intelligence, exemplary skill, a thorough understanding of game mechanics, maturity, a strong command of the English language, and a lack of kittening, kittengery, kittentery, and anything else that would make themselves unpleasant to be around. More than just good players, I’m looking to join a team of people who I will enjoy killing other players with.

My friend and I have been looking everywhere for an active/organized team/guild for tournaments… to no avail.

I’ve been playing a Guardian exclusively these days… I’m rank 30. My friend is rank 34. We both do a lot of research and theorycrafting of our own… we aren’t kitten’s who rage, but we both play to win and take constructive feedback.

I’m from Jamaica (in the Caribbean). We are on Atlantic Standard Time, which means that in summer it’s one hour behind Eastern Standard Time, and in winter it’s on EST.

I usually get home from work at around 6:00 PM my time. I get something to eat and get settled in and ready to game around 7:00 PM till whenever. I play on a NA server.

Thank you.

My friends and I are looking for an active spvp guild. Can’t seem to find any. I use TS3.

George Steel.1804:

Is there any chance we can get a confirmation that the Guardian scepter is broken? ETA on a fix? Or we just moving past this issue? Video shows the crazy level of ineffectiveness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSJ0pqRwjuU

They will have to acknowledge it first.

I think the cooldown on the shield is way too long.

I’ve also noticed that the shield doesn’t last for 4 seconds like the tooltip says.

Has anyone else noticed this?

What would it take for them to address this? This has been broken forever now… and in the last SOTG, they said Guardians were in a good place…

Aenaos.8160:

Still not fixed.
Anyone knows if there is an ETA on this?

Maybe it’s a complicated coding process?

Kami.7369:

It’s not a bug… Scepter is actually just bad.

This isn’t a bug?

The projectiles are broken. All you have to do is strafe from side to side and it wont ever hit you… or simply just keep running around in circles… Why wont they fix this?

My “My Story” pane doesn’t allow me to scroll down and see the last few selections in my story. Even though I already completed my story.

Does anyone else have this issue?

My “My Story” pane wont allow me to scroll down and see the last few selctions in my story. Even though I already completed my story.

My “My Story” pane doesn’t allow me to scroll down and see the last few selctions in my story. Even though I already completed my story.

I have to admit. Ele’s are really op on this map.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Look at the many bugs we have besides our class ones. I have little hope that these problems will get fixed in a reasonable matter of time..

This is a community driven game. If we are vocal enough, the developers will address it in a timely manner.