Guild Wars 2

I miss Bowie

Some of my best Wvw memories are pre-culling days and suddenly my screen has me eating dirt for no apparent reason, only to see the dust of the hooves of War Machine treading over my corpse on their way to flip Speldan.

My point being, if you’re alert enough, you have better odds than the culling days of countering.

Mind you, your graphics ceasing up were kind of an early warning system then.

YOU CAN DO IT!

If you see 10 people gleefully running towards your blob of 25, it’s a clue.

Anyone in the blob drops a mesmer veil and half the blob gets revealed, lol.

Heck, we used to play this way daily in the culling era. It’s not unbeatable.

Uphill, both ways.

/nod

Aezyr.5304:

If it’s red it’s dead (or me :p)

Anyway I repeat my question from page 1: What is the actual reason to duel in EB instead of, lets say Os?

Jayne.9251:

So you’ll build all the siege, pay for it too, refresh it every hour for hours and hours, scout, get zero loot, while I’m sitting in queue for an hour for taking five minutes to duel in OS and keep up on my skills so I can defend with a handful of people?

Ok.

So you’ll build all the siege, pay for it too, refresh it every hour for hours and hours, scout, get zero loot, while I’m sitting in queue for an hour for taking five minutes to duel in OS and keep up on my skills so I can defend with a handful of people?

Ok.

Happier since the WPs were reverted and that awful oasis event removed.

They tried it with DBL and the keep WPs remember? And it didn’t fly.

And they have, by having rotating pairings to counter the grande bandwagon effect.

Stack up again? Anet changes the pairings.

I think, given all the other options, it’s quite brilliant.

Now if they could allow people their server tags, I think it would be a coup.

I want my giant 100-step tower with the WP at top. Sadly it would only enable Mags with player punting from the 99th step.

DeWolfe.2174:

Darwin Iznang.1342:

Stop blaming Anet for coverage issues, that’s what I say.

Oh whoa whoa whoa… right there! If Anet is going to lock the Worlds and be the sole creator of these pairings, then it falls upon Anet to balance coverage and create fair matches. This is an “either or” proposition. If you do not empower the players, then the responsibility and effort falls upon the devs. That’s why I gave them a low rating at this time.

Why?

When Players were “empowered”, they did nothing but kitten it up in the first place.

If we had managed to spread ourselves out and not create the stagnant matches that everyone complained about, then they wouldn’t have had to step in and play parent.

This is on us.

Keviin Snow.5760:

Teon.5168 I was getting tired of that on my T8 server.
you should of transfer server

Kevin, see that little arrow at the bottom of my post that points to the left? That’s the quote key.

Puck.9612:

Jayne.9251:

Puck.9612:

They should also introduce a feature that makes people get stuck when building siege and they have to /dance to be able to move again

Honestly, outside of death from above mesmers, that was the best bug ever.

I don’t know, having a warrior traited for fall damage and running down the stairs through a bunch of enemies was always pretty funny.

Or what about warriors on ACs immobilizing entire zergs?

Puck.9612:

They should also introduce a feature that makes people get stuck when building siege and they have to /dance to be able to move again

Honestly, outside of death from above mesmers, that was the best bug ever.

@Dank

Again, you’re speaking about guilds. Not everyone plays or wants to play in a guild. The vast majority of your server’s defense team fall into that category.

And those players are not only the backbone of you team’s WVW, but are the ones most invested in community.

Lose your defensive team and you’ll just get a giant pve champ train map.

Lose your guilds and people will get bored with nothing to fight.

Guilds may have loyalty within. But it’s important to recognize that there are other ways to play, and boths sides of that same coin are necessary in order to have a healthy, competitive game.

I don’t personally have a problem with the pairings. I think it would be nice if all players retained their server name, regardless of pairings. It would help alleviate a lot of things.

Puck’s right. What happens in EoTM has zero effect on server effort or ranking. It’s meant to be a place where you go while waiting on WvW queues.

EremiteAngel.9765:

I’m not sure why cloaking waters was added, but MASS INVIS to an entire zerg is extremely destructive to the enemy.

Imagine an entire enemy zerg standing right on top of your zerg and bombing you to shreds before you can react.

I’m from TC and we control SMC with cloaking waters for large periods. We get almost zero fights because enemy zergs do not even want to fight us when our entire zerg is cloaked.

Couple things wrong with the above:

1. The minute you go into combat, you drop the invis.

2. Organized guilds/servers have been doing this (with. coordinated discipline and multiple golems) since waaaay before this was implemented. Ask Kodash.

3. Watch for the random pug that invariably doesn’t cloak, but runs gleefully beside the blob.

4. Mini pets.

Silberfederling.9302:

. So far Debbi was the one that had me laughing

Last patch changed xp in wvw. Check notes:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-April-19-2016/first#post6102561

Sirendor.1394:

• Ring of Fire + Whiteside Ridge: ‘Ridge of Fire’, ‘Ring of White’ (feels like nonsense)

How about White Fire?

*lightning bolt! lightning bolt! lightning bolt!

Erthor Skeven.1680:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Let me try:

• Yak’s Bend & Anvil Rock = Yak’s Bend
• Blackgate & Eredon Terrace = Blackgate
• Jade Quarry & Isle of Janthir = Jade Quarry
• Tarnished Coast & Kaineng = Tarnished Coast
• Dragonbrand & Sanctum of Rall = Dragonbrand
• Fort Aspenwood & Borlis Pass = Fort Aspenwood
• Sea of Sorrows & Gate of Madness = Sea of Sorrows
• Maguuma & Devona’s Rest = Maguuma
• Stormluff Isle & Crystal Desert = Stormbluff Isle
• Darkhaven & Ferguson’s Crossing = Darkhaven
• Henge of Denravi & Ehmry Bay = Henge of Denravi
• Northern Shiverpeaks & Sorrow’s Furnace = Northern Shiverpeaks

Wow, you must be really fun at parties!

He just needs occasional hugs and then he’s fine.

I love reading this thread. Not even on the servers involved. But love the community spirit of both servers.

Gives me hope.

Virtute.8251:

Again: In GW2 WvW, the sort of feelings and behavior shown in these threads is more appropriately attached to guilds, not worlds. Even in WvW. Especially in WvW. The facts are in the design, and those facts existed before this week’s patch.

Going to disagree with you Pants.

You can have a cohesive group of people who are entrenched in a server because it’s been built as a community. That community weathers and withstands assaults from bandwagoners, trolls, etc. It’s a neighbourhood where everyone knows your name and you can log in, no matter what time, and you know each other.

You can also reasonably rely on each other to do X duties each day, because you know these people from time playing together. You come from different guilds and different countries, yet you all work together towards that team goal.

There’s value in that, and it’s the key reason why WvW kept chugging along for so many years.

It wasn’t because of the guilds.

If you ask these people if they’re attached to guild or server, they’re repeatedly saying server. Perhaps you just don’t want to hear that, or maybe you’ve not experienced it yourself?

To add to the context of this thread: Anet consider leaving server tag names on each person. I think that would do a lot to alleviate the feeling of loss. It won’t be that confusing, considering red = enemy still exists no matter naming conventions.

DeWolfe.2174:

Jayne.9251:

Nope. Would just eventually lead to the stale old server stacking, with the same old stale complaints. With arbitrary ability to change pairings, this allows Anet the freedom to prevent Hegelian mistakes.

Jayne you are utterly wrong on the subject. Tiers had play styles and not everyone wants to play WvW the same. Especially not the same as you see it. Players were in the lower tiers by choice. Players were in the upper tiers by choice. This change by Anet is removing the choice and forcing everyone to play one way. Which is not only boring, it’s annoying.

That is beyond the fact that we cannot “pair” two worlds easily. Getting everyone in voice comm’s is a disaster. The capacity to communicate between the Worlds is not even present in game, nor these forums. It’s a mess to say the least. Which doesn’t equal exciting or fun.

editing to add, Diku, would you please learn to use “map mechanics” and “match mechanics”?

I’m not disagreeing with you about playstyles etc … Not sure you understood my post.

I was quoting the guy above who said just merge it once and be done.

I was explaining that the same complaints would arise with a static change and lead back to the same issues that prompted this change in the first place.

slimike.1693:

You enjoy small tier game play, that’s good, the bls still allow for that. It is 2 days after reset on the weekend and a wvw patch, your queues will go down. Wvw is finally alive again and there are fights, or ppt if that’s what you prefer, you can roam/havoc in the bls, zerg in eb, idk what you people are all crying so much for. Server loyalty died years ago.

There are tons of people who’s sole motivation is server pride and loyalty and the community that’s evolved from it.

I"m hoping Anet comes up with a way to let people keep wearing their server tags, even when combined. It won’t be that confusing. Red = enemy, no matter the tag name.

Erthor Skeven.1680:

Debbi is the best server!

Didn’t she have a series of highly successful films? Doing stuff?

meerfunkuhtron.9725:

Stoney II.7385:

Hey everyone,

first of all thx for rebirthing WvW with a lot of changes!
I just wanted to share some concerns towards the world-linking as I dont see the value nor the sense of this world linking beta due to a couple of reasons:
- TS communication
- Raiding Guilds
- Server Communitys
etc.

I wondered if ist not better for everyone to just Close down Servers, before you scream ahhh my Server, mind the following Situation:
- paired up with new Server on reset
1. Need to check ts
2. Need to check who tags
3. …
Next week:
- paired up with another Server on reset
1. Need to check ts
2. Need to check who tags
3. …
etc. etc…
wouldnt it therefore be much more easier to just have to go through the pain once? Instead of getting shot in the breast and letting you bleed out slowly, id rather take one straight and go on with it :-)

As also posted above there will be lots of Drama to be caused by this System.
- Who tags up
- What strategy
- What builds
- What so ever :-)

However I guess most can agree that we are thankful that there is now something Happening and is tested, it might turn out i’m wrong, but currently I simply cant see the benefit in it.

Nevertheless good reset for everyone!

I’m with this one ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nope. Would just eventually lead to the stale old server stacking, with the same old stale complaints. With arbitrary ability to change pairings, this allows Anet the freedom to prevent Hegelian mistakes.

Virtute.8251:

Essays aren’t changing the fact that stubborn small town pride is misplaced in this, here and now.

If anything, the responses here are a great indication the community ties and server identification are still incredibly important motivators as to why people still play.

I think this is a good idea and likely will help with the server abduction feelings.

Lord Kuru.3685:

What’s with the obsession of placing names on siege? It’s not as if we don’t know who the siege trolls are. We do. It’s not as if we’re unable to video the trolls in action and report them. We can.

Who the trolls are and what they’re doing is common knowledge. The problem is that you can’t build an AI smart enough to recognize siege trolls and Anet is unwilling to spend resources to deal with them manually.

Well that and you get some poor new soul to WvW who accidentally puts down a bad placement and gets screamed at and then never comes into WvW again.

Heck, I purposefully put down odd placements to experiment with trajectories. Some of those experiments have yielded successful new placements. My server thankfully knows me, and lets me do this stuff, but someone new?

I did an experiment, and went to an NA server and started dropping siege in the newfound places I’d discovered that I knew were really effective and even offered to show my new teammates how great these placements were … result? A few “vets” on map started raging because it wasn’t in THE spot they’d used forever. Nothing I could do to explain that these new placements were fantastic would work. There was a stubborn, nope, we’ve always done it this way and I’m not listening to you lalalalala response. Was silly.

I did, however, find like-minded souls later on that server who were overjoyed with the new placements and told me to just ignore the blowhards

LoneWolfSpectre.6412:

lower tier servers. YOUR CONTRIBUTION STILL MATTERS. I know it seems like a bummer your glicko seems frozen, but you’re with the other server for 3months, kicken kitten , getting to know eachother. besides, it may result in you being matched up with your server again!

p.s. looking forward to working with the people of eredon terrace

This is the right way to promote!

Adula.3698:

Lol mag and DR,, inc tier 1 stacking

Proof that Anet secretly loves Mags.

FogLeg.9354:

Anyway, we from FoW play for Gunnars now, so… (waves to all GH people). Anyway, I had great fun tonight, against FSP+UW and Dzagonur. There were queues below 10 on BL maps at the start, but I doubt this will be very common as everyone rushed to WvW.

While this basically means we got free transfer to GH, I honestly do not see how it could be solved any better.

Well until Anet randomly changes the pairing if things get too stacked.

.

Oh man .. so much for logging in when I get home from work

LoneWolfSpectre.6412:

can you post NA as well. would be nice to know who we’re working with

Think they only do it shortly before actual reset so there’s that thrill … I know it was always fun on Fridays to find out “who” as much as it was playing the crazy chaos.

Very glad EU is being handled differently than NA. Two different playstyles. Much respect for that consideration.

Now now, Piken hosted them for a bit, it’s their turn.

Poor bandwagonners .. such a never-ending journey.

Anyone who’s played wvw has done a thousand faceplants.

Get back up. Respawn. Go at it again.

Eventually it will happen less frequently as you hone the timing of your class.

Once you let go of a fear of dying, you’ll play much better. And enjoy it more, too.

Dawdler.8521:

Plus, it would wreck havoc on the communities if they part ways after a long 3 months.

This suddenly feel… not so good.

Don’t panic. Not quite yet at least.

At core, you’re staying within your existing community, your existing server, no matter who you’re paired up with. That means the people you’ve been playing with for years stay with you.

Every three months (and I believe this is an arbitrary number and just meant to advise people it can change so there’s no forum freakouts and is actually quite clever in making sure the game isn’t, well, gamed), you get “guests”. So you still play with the community you know and love, but you get extra people visiting.

Now that could be great or it could be destructive, but if you come from a particularly strong community, you’ve been through it at least once with the bandwagonners.

What I took away from it was good, they’re leaving us intact.

And a reddit post said that they will never pair national servers with international ones in EU, nor will they merge the top EU gold servers with any other server for the near future. So for EU, it will not be much of a difference, except in the lower tiers.

Best thing in patch notes:

We have the option to link different worlds together as populations shift over time.

So players do it again, and superstack a pairing. Anet can step in and change the pairings. It’s the antisec of gaming the system

And as long as I stay with my existing community, having an extra one with us that changes isn’t as bad as the megaserver/EoTM thing.

Lady Sapphirah.6234:

Can the people complaining say they have never spawn camped even once lol really?

I have never.

I actually log into game and yell at our guys if there’s posts about them doing it. Super mom-nag-mode. I’m not alone.

Thankfully people are respectful and stop doing it. But that’s EU. We have good folks there, who want to fight. (You’ll notice the bulk of the people calling spawncamping kittened are from EU )

If it doesn’t affect you and your own meta choices, why is it a big deal if others want it back?

Want to drive spawn campers nuts? Slip out the side and start flipping camps and towers behind them.

Spawn camping is for people not confident enough in their skillset that they feel they can only win en masse. It’s embarassing.

I think I’m just thrilled that players decided to fix things themselves instead of coming here expecting anet to play parent. Even if it’s chaotic now, it’s not the stale status quo and shows that, if organized, stalemate can be broken.

Imagine if players did this throughout ALL the tiers..

FogLeg.9354:

Just because we had more possible options to tick did not make more builds viable. If you are given option to choose between really bad trait, another trait that gives very little under certain conditions and really great trait, everyone will always choose same thing.

Depends on what you consider a bad trait.

I ran a hybrid build all the way up until they simplified it and it was fantastic.

The status quo is not necessarily the best pick for your playstyle. It may be the “easiest” pick, but not always the best.

If there’s no impact to the game with re-opening up the trait lines, then let me feel free to pick bad trait lines.

I’ll politely bow afterwards.

SloRules.3560:

Dal.5872:

SloRules.3560:

Man, you have no idea what your talking about. There are so many builds in use currently, our server cant even detirmen which one would be meta.

With the current trait system and the must have HoT trait line we have less builds. Fact.

I don’t know howto make someone do basic counting better…..

In my guild we currently have:
4 guardian builds
2 warrior builds
3 revenant builds, with another 2 in consideration
1 ranger build
2 engineer builds
3 elementalist builds, with 1 in testing phases
3 necromancer builds, with 2 more condi builds being developed
2 mesmer builds, with 3 in consideration

All those builds diverse in atleast 1 traitline, a full set of gear, weapons or utility skills.
And the thing is, those builds are optimized for certain parties/roles so none of them is inferior to other, if just put in right party and played in right style.

So dont bullkitten me about no build diversity.

This was more for people who didn’t want to use existing “meta” enforced builds.

The previous trait line let you pick up to five variables. The current one is three. And some of those old five variables were one from each line, etc …

Three vs five variables = fewer choices.

Yes please. I liked the idea of trying out builds others hadn’t considered because there were so many variables. I liked having a build no one else had.

Would it hurt the game any to at least give folks choices?

Yup. Take a break.

Then come back and offer to teach siege clinics to new people on map. There’s always new people. . Engage other community members by asking for help testing out new placements. Try really absurd placements. Laugh. Rejoice when you discover, together, an effective way to thwart proxy catas. Laugh like a lunatic at the next blob that tries that.

Don’t stress if the entire map flips, concentrate on sticking your hands to your ears and Nya nya you can’t get this tower.

Just make it fun for you.

Changed about month after HoT release last year I believe.

STIHL.2489:

I have heard, that this used to be the case before mega-server, where WvW affected PvE. I can honestly say, I would not want them mixed, I mean can you imagine how upset WvW players would be, if let say, The PvE players failed to kill to Shatter, and thus we take a negative for that?

I don’t feel mixing the two is a good idea. I would much rather see more WvW stuff being given to WvW players, to make WvW profitable and fun.

I think that’s a fair point in a peanut butter in my chocolate way.

It’s why I started the thread; to generate conversation and look for flaws.

I think you’re making it too complicated. Simple is better to get people interested.

Those who get used to having those bonuses, will most certainly notice them when they’re gone and will be more inclined to participate to maintain it.

It shouldn’t be based on contribution. This is just a lure to get people into WvW and make it more immersive between pve-land and WvW.