Guild Wars 2

Tyler Bearce.3427:

It would be easy enough to move all the camp guards closer to the center, so you’d always have to fight all of them to flip a camp. But to be clear, you guys are arguing that you want to do ‘more PvE’, which seems to go against the forum’s current agenda of ‘less PvE.’

Real Life Hero.

You know those banners that appear each time a tower is taken? Similar thing appears server-wide. And no, you don’t need to participate in WVW to get the bonus.

But if you get a banner announcement saying you lost the bonus, wouldn’t you be more inclined to participate?

FogLeg.9354:

I thought this was already in the game. Better WvW score = better PvE rewards:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_of_the_Mists

You’ll note none of those stats have anything to do with loot drops though. Maybe the scavenger thing, but it’s not what I’m suggesting at all.

This should be something that’s universally known — and as for those who would jump into WvW and jump out when the ppt is highest, then that lacks understanding of WvW (something to learn!), in how the score fluctuates.

Generalizing it too much, say a week-end reward, already exists in the form of chests etc. And it only incentivizes people to make one big push if really needed.

A constant flux of magic benefits game-wide means a constant need for bodies on WvW maps to make sure your server stays on top. It ties the pve crowd IN with the wvw crowd — instead of this incessant us vs them mentality that’s existed since, well, forever. It becomes a team effort.

And then players MUST see very real results of those efforts: Not blues or greens or yellows. But exotics and ascended if you are at top of score — which means Team A could have top ppt for 2 hours a day (and during that time pve AND wvw gets this magic bonus), but then Team B comes in and takes that top ppt score away from Team A and they start getting the rare loot bonuses, etc ..

It makes it more competitive. And it ties in the pve crowd. And it forces people to learn the strategy of WvW because you can’t just flip a tower and leave it — you have to learn how to think ahead/plan/execute.

Sviel.7493:

The biggest flaw that I can see is that the people working for the reward are going to be in WvW too much to actually benefit from it.

The loot bonuses are server-wide .. meaning in pve-land AND in wvw maps.

Always the same “I won’t do anything to help myself” response.

Go to Silverwastes. Or HoT zones, or heck, anywhere in game. Grind gold for a single day, get enough gold to convert to gems, then transfer for free.

No real life money involved at all.

Most games won’t let you do that.

This came from another thread, (thank you) but thought it might be interesting to chew on, since the bulk of complaints on the forum are about rewards in WvW and lack of population.

I’m not fussed about rewards, simply because I fear the giant pve k-train and reduction of a strategic game into something very base.

And I’m not overly fussed playing outmanned, or getting nightcapped, or whatever — I think after year one or two, most people who play WvW don’t do it for the score.

But what happens if your server’s score affects your rate of loot drop everywhere in game? I know pve is megaserver, but each player is still attached to a single server because of WvW.

What happens if the better your team does, the more chance of rare loot drops. So in effect, high ppt, means you have chances to get ascended gear on the pve mob bosses (as well as inside wvw). It’s like a lever that pushes up the magic chance (I guess is the best way to quantify).

Upsides:

• Gives pve types a reason to come into WvW
• Helps with population imbalances, when people are invested in getting a return for their efforts game-wide
• More people learn about strategy in WvW — it’s not just about flipping towers; it’s about maintaining and defending them
• Encourages people to actually fight to win their matches and keep on top week-long.

Cons:

• Map in peril of becoming big gigantic pve-champ train (but if you explain that if you leave the tower undefended, your loot magic fluctuates).
• Encourages stacking to top servers only. (This needs to be puzzled out: Do you get top magic bonus for winning your tier?, does it increase significantly as you go up tiers? Or just 1, 2 and 3 spot variables PER tier?)

There are probably a lot of other flaws in the ointment, but I thought this might be an interesting way to engage players and wanted to discuss it.

Thoughts?

Well you know you could always do something about it right?

Move to a tier with your guild mates where you’re not overrun. Make a name for you and your team. Be your server’s hero.

Or, y’know, you could just join everyone else and stack at the top and then complain about it.

Players can fix this themselves. Stop asking Anet to play parent.

Renny.6571:

@OP Don’t matter really. Eotm is 100 for roaming now. I dunno how people decide which tier is better when match ups don’t change drastically (or at all, really). I haven’t noticed any one person from a server being better than someone else from another while roaming eotm tbh.

It’s different in EU. It does change drastically.

Poor Grommie will learn … be kind to him. He’s a cranky bugger sometimes :p

STIHL.2489:

Valtolimor.6230:

Tie loot to world score instead of offensive strength. Bags dropped from players are fine, and can stay as is. Creatures too. But instead of getting the bulk of loot from killing lords and taking objectives, award piles of loot at the end of the tick based on your world’s overall (in all 4 zones, even if you’re putting effort into a losing borderland you’re still contributing to an overall team) number of controlled castles, keeps, towers, and camps at that time. A looting system like this would encourage not only offense, but defense, roaming, and supply esoirts. Obviously this would have to be coupled with some kind of system that will be able to tell if someone is participating (y/n, not stages like in the jungle) to keep people from getting loot from AFKing and leeching off the team’s effort.

I welcome all discussion on my perspective

This is a pretty radical idea. Not sure if I like it, but it’s radical none the less that means it has the potential to be great!

They did something like that in Vanguard with diplomacy levers. Actually gave incentive.

If the score in WvW affected the loot drops in pve, you’d see a surge.

katz.8376:

hah. that’s gold. i wish he’d kept it too!

Lol that wasn’t his sig line.

GROMIT.7829:

So after some checking it seems the low tiers have the better roamers now i need to decide which server to join that is most likely to be up against the other servers with good roamers.

I keep hearing maguma has good roamers, if a bit rude and salty buti don’t really care about abuse thrown at me.

Hey now, I’m the only one allowed to abuse you!

*points at your sig line.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

We only recently uncovered what was causing this, and are working on a fix. The issue occurs when attacking any wide breakable gadget (wall/gate) that is positioned on a diagonal. The volume in which a hit is detected ends up being larger than is intended.

I’m a little sad you’ve removed your sig line.

People have forgotten patience and the benefit of teaching. Community building.

If you wipe once, it’s not the end of the world. Take two minutes to talk in /say on how to go at it a second time. Communicate.

Those fight guilds will love you if you direct their traffic … And you gain a rep for being reliable.

eithinan.9841:

This is pretty funny TBH. I remember this being a thing way back when.

I miss it. As much of a headache as it was for forum mods, it certainly unified folks, made them passionate about wvw.

Entenkommando.5208:

OP basically got the one point that defines wvw: server pride.

If you take this away everything will be like eotm. No matter the fancy mechanics that may come.

+1000

SkyShroud.2865:

nothing to do with stacking

it is more like the bad situations at the bottom servers lead to players going up and they happen to choose that server

the situation ultimately is the result of the players themselves choosing a easy way out which lead to further complications

what anet can do now is to merge all the servers and recreate them dynamically every X months, redistributing the population while having a population enforcement across the servers. this is not a popular solution but regardless, it is the only way to spread the population equally. or you can continue to have people stacking on one server.

Or y’know players finally clue in that stacking isn’t much fun and spread out to get more fights.

Anet shouldn’t have to step in like a parent with two cranky kids in the backseat. I assume most of us are adults?

donkey.1653:

you let us create such a mess its not even

FTFY

Trapper thief.

It’s the same time reset was for most of GW2’s history.

Puck.9612:

Kungsmurfen.2861:

I for one am not going to go back to doing all the upgrading for an entire server. No thx.

That’s fine, I’ll do it.

The only change the upgrade system ever needed was to change the gold cost to karma or badges. Auto upgrades and instant waypoints are a kittening joke.

I like and dislike this idea.

We all know that some mindless zergling isn’t going to cough up his precious badges or karma and contribute. The ones who will don’t typically zerg.

So with finite resources of karma/badges, it will eventually mean stuff just doesn’t get upgraded, because the regular upgraders ran out of badges.

I like it because it forces those selfless folks to go just have fun. But I don’t like it because at least with gold costs, some folks would send others funds in a pinch.

Plus badges for siege already ….

Y’know?

Edit: Per the OP, aside from the current hot gate and wall durability increase and sentry alert system, I agree, no hot stuff in alpine pls.

There are queues again? What?!

Lol when titles still showed, too!

This was a classic memory. Thank you Maladon for posting it. I remember the exact time that was posted. I saw it titled as “Asura. Alone.” I think you posted it with a single sentence: “I got this.”

:)

Maladon.5760:

Only a WvW player knows this feeling…

Maladon.5760:

Only a WvW player knows this feeling…

OMG I was totally looking for this photo for the best memories thread!

I remember you posting that and how it made me laugh and laugh.

Stealing it for the best memories thread

TorquedSoul.8097:

I was talking about the reset flushes for which I can correct for. I am attaching a chart to illustrate the current problem.

How exactly do you correct it without manually doing so?

TorquedSoul.8097:

This is easy to correct for so the data in the charts can assumed to accurate .

This is where I have a problem with your stats analysis: Having to correct the API feed means the data is not pure. Therefore, it’s not accurate.

You can absolutely make educated guesses, but definitively? Nope.

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jayne.9251:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/api/New-Endpoint-v2-wvw-matches/first#post5588283

I am aware of the old problems with kills. Up until two weeks ago the kill data was erratic. That problem no longer exists.

The only problem that currently exists is global reset flushes that I can easily correct for by adding up two totals.

Would you like to see a chart?

Even you acknowledge there’s bugs.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/api/NA-WvW-Kills-Deaths-are-flushed-at-EU-reset/first#post6054424

It’s not accurate.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/api/New-Endpoint-v2-wvw-matches/first#post5588283

Baratta.1083:

Simple fix if it is close let splash damage hit the cata and operator.

LOVE this idea!

Even just knock back would work, too.

HazyDaisy.4107:

Aliens briefly abducted the majority of the zerg. It’s rare, but it happens.

The Raptor’s Revenge!

covagashi.3510:

free pems for keep waiting for us

Perms are so 1980s …

On a positive note … it’s back to friday!

Players that were too lazy to do a mesmer sweep pre-HoT will only make a half-hearted attempt to do it with the training wheels on, I’ve learned. You don’t even really need to try that hard to avoid that 5 minute buff. Just run, like you used to pre-HoT. They give up.

Shadows Creed.3902:

Jayne.9251:

Shadows Creed.3902:

Trajan.4953:

#MagT2Push2016

It’s a-coming

We took a vote we pushing for EU tier now. Going to force a server to go to a different server continent o.o be ready for it!

Piken already full of bandwagoners. Sorry!

You clearly don’t understand what i mean. >D the server of maguuma will be moved to EU that is the real bandwagon hype. going up tiers in NA is so #2012-2015

Yes. You might try Deso or SFR if moving your entire server … Or Hey! I hear Ravya’s lonely on FSP!

Shadows Creed.3902:

Trajan.4953:

#MagT2Push2016

It’s a-coming

We took a vote we pushing for EU tier now. Going to force a server to go to a different server continent o.o be ready for it!

Piken already full of bandwagoners. Sorry!

I kind of miss the weekly matchups here too. That, for whatever grief it cause, seemed to cement server loyalty.

That Kaineng/Blackgate/TC matchup tops my list.

Same with Gary Busey..

Yours?

http://youtu.be/CdqoNKCCt7A

I want the old home BL WPs back.

I greatly enjoy stomping glass builds.

Takes longer to run them, but the walls take longer to get down now too. Most are still stuck on the old map method that if you see swords, it’s already too late to run and defend. Not the case anymore.

jrambo.8467:

What’s everyone’s opinion of the state of each tier. Obliviously asking all what server and tier you’re on.

Some are more oblivious than others

I preferred your original post saying the data was bad.

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jayne.9251:

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jayne.9251:

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jana.6831:

I think you’re underestimating EU players. We’re not just cattle to fill a time zone =)

Who thinks you are cattle? I think you are projecting. Maybe you simply don’t like North American players and project these negative views on to them to hide your contempt.

Either way, Anet will do what Anet will do. I doubt a lone dissenting voice from the EU will stop that.

Regardless, It is fun to watch all the different WvW factions voice their opinion in a quasi-reasonable fashion in an attempt cloak their real motivations.

She’s not alone. While I don’t speak for all of EU, if they wanted to play on NA, they would have by now. EU WVW is nowhere near as messed up as NA. There’s a (cultural) reason for that.

What cultural reasons would that be?

If you spent some time, say a year, playing EU, this would be starkly evident. It’s hard to quantify.

Honestly, this pairing idea feels more like we all got the same toys for Christmas, only NA broke theirs and now want to come break ours. :p

How exactly does NA break their toy? I’ve only been playing WvW for about six months. So fill me in so that I can better understand why EU players would be so adamant about not playing with NA players.

EU is in a similar boat and just as “broken” as NA. Your charts clearly show that.

Certain players are in denial to this and only look at the health of their server, not wvw as a whole.

Well except for the fact that it’s common knowledge that api for EU is broken and not accurate. Charts with incorrect stats are still incorrect.

What is broken in the EU API?

Ppk, pop demographics. There’s a bug in the EU api.

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jayne.9251:

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jayne.9251:

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jana.6831:

I think you’re underestimating EU players. We’re not just cattle to fill a time zone =)

Who thinks you are cattle? I think you are projecting. Maybe you simply don’t like North American players and project these negative views on to them to hide your contempt.

Either way, Anet will do what Anet will do. I doubt a lone dissenting voice from the EU will stop that.

Regardless, It is fun to watch all the different WvW factions voice their opinion in a quasi-reasonable fashion in an attempt cloak their real motivations.

She’s not alone. While I don’t speak for all of EU, if they wanted to play on NA, they would have by now. EU WVW is nowhere near as messed up as NA. There’s a (cultural) reason for that.

What cultural reasons would that be?

If you spent some time, say a year, playing EU, this would be starkly evident. It’s hard to quantify.

Honestly, this pairing idea feels more like we all got the same toys for Christmas, only NA broke theirs and now want to come break ours. :p

How exactly does NA break their toy? I’ve only been playing WvW for about six months. So fill me in so that I can better understand why EU players would be so adamant about not playing with NA players.

Go play the next six months in EU. See it first-hand.

Swagger.1459:

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jayne.9251:

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jayne.9251:

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jana.6831:

I think you’re underestimating EU players. We’re not just cattle to fill a time zone =)

Who thinks you are cattle? I think you are projecting. Maybe you simply don’t like North American players and project these negative views on to them to hide your contempt.

Either way, Anet will do what Anet will do. I doubt a lone dissenting voice from the EU will stop that.

Regardless, It is fun to watch all the different WvW factions voice their opinion in a quasi-reasonable fashion in an attempt cloak their real motivations.

She’s not alone. While I don’t speak for all of EU, if they wanted to play on NA, they would have by now. EU WVW is nowhere near as messed up as NA. There’s a (cultural) reason for that.

What cultural reasons would that be?

If you spent some time, say a year, playing EU, this would be starkly evident. It’s hard to quantify.

Honestly, this pairing idea feels more like we all got the same toys for Christmas, only NA broke theirs and now want to come break ours. :p

How exactly does NA break their toy? I’ve only been playing WvW for about six months. So fill me in so that I can better understand why EU players would be so adamant about not playing with NA players.

EU is in a similar boat and just as “broken” as NA. Your charts clearly show that.

Certain players are in denial to this and only look at the health of their server, not wvw as a whole.

Well except for the fact that it’s common knowledge that api for EU is broken and not accurate. Charts with incorrect stats are still incorrect.

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jayne.9251:

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jana.6831:

I think you’re underestimating EU players. We’re not just cattle to fill a time zone =)

Who thinks you are cattle? I think you are projecting. Maybe you simply don’t like North American players and project these negative views on to them to hide your contempt.

Either way, Anet will do what Anet will do. I doubt a lone dissenting voice from the EU will stop that.

Regardless, It is fun to watch all the different WvW factions voice their opinion in a quasi-reasonable fashion in an attempt cloak their real motivations.

She’s not alone. While I don’t speak for all of EU, if they wanted to play on NA, they would have by now. EU WVW is nowhere near as messed up as NA. There’s a (cultural) reason for that.

What cultural reasons would that be?

If you spent some time, say a year, playing EU, this would be starkly evident. It’s hard to quantify.

Honestly, this pairing idea feels more like we all got the same toys for Christmas, only NA broke theirs and now want to come break ours. :p

TorquedSoul.8097:

Jana.6831:

I think you’re underestimating EU players. We’re not just cattle to fill a time zone =)

Who thinks you are cattle? I think you are projecting. Maybe you simply don’t like North American players and project these negative views on to them to hide your contempt.

Either way, Anet will do what Anet will do. I doubt a lone dissenting voice from the EU will stop that.

Regardless, It is fun to watch all the different WvW factions voice their opinion in a quasi-reasonable fashion in an attempt cloak their real motivations.

She’s not alone. While I don’t speak for all of EU, if they wanted to play on NA, they would have by now. EU WVW is nowhere near as messed up as NA. There’s a (cultural) reason for that.

TorquedSoul.8097:

Of course merging NA and EU will resolved eliminate most of the problems with timezone imbalances but that is another discussion.

BITE YOUR TONGUE!

Leave EU alone!

Now shoo!

TorquedSoul.8097:

Points per Capture + Points per Upgrade + Points per Kill would probably be a good system. The differences in capture rates are generally pretty small but having scaled rewards for reaching different tiers creates the need to attack and defend.

This would only encourage the EoTM mentality of doing the map in circles — blobbing and nothing but blobbing.

This fits best for me:

Jayne.9251:

In the olden days, your team would respond en masse to a call out because you didn’t want to lose a WP that took forever to upgrade, etc. Defending a tower or keep had a feeling of reward when the enemy was pushed out. And that reward was defending something you worked hard on getting built.

Now, with nobody wanting to play the BLs, calling for help is like pulling teeth. Smaller groups that were able to jump between maps now cannot be bothered to respond because the new Bay and Hills doesn’t give them a chance to WP in and save it. So it falls.

And it becomes a domino thing. If Bay and Hills fall, what’s the point really of defending garri? The attitude is “let them take the map, we’ll get it back later.”

WPs need to be returned to the home BL map — not divided up by team like in EB.

I’m glad the dolyaks play a role in upgrades now .. but the auto upgrade system has simply taken pride of ownership away from those defenders who loyally covered the home map.

There is NOTHING better and more loyalty binding to your team than saving something in the “nick of time” … it’s the emotional connection of feeling you did it together.

And that’s what kept WvW rolling, despite the complaints, for three plus years. People scoff at server loyalty, team loyalty, but it was the glue.

Seriously, look beyond T1 please.

What would make you happy?