Guild Wars 2

lil devils x.6071:

x indigo x.6981:

lil devils x.6071:

butch.8136:

lil devils x.6071:

illenos.5134:

x indigo x.6981:

Please don’t get discouraged .. THIS IS AN AMAZING CHANGE TO WVW! and all the true wvw players who has vision know it! .. You have my support here from TC.

“All the true wvw players”…well I guess I’m not trve enough to understand this change. For me it seems to be as half thought out as the golem rush event but I guess time will show us how and if it will change anything.

“Time” is a problem though during the time that people cannot play with friends or are logging into ghost town servers, we will be losing more players that " would have been" that will leave the game. The issue is this causes more problems than it solves unless the end goal was to have less players playing wvwv all together in the end.

Instead of telling your friends to come play with you , you will have to find a game you can actually play together now instead. For me to play with my Lil sis, we will have to play a different game instead.

Go to an open server to play with your sis.
Fixed your problem and maybe a bit more balance in the population of servers.

And what about my guild, my brother, my husband? I am supposed to abandon my guild and the rest of my family to play with my sis? We could probably make a server full just by us alone.. We pin multiple maps at once and run multiple time zones, and I am actually a leader in multiple guilds. Like I said, we are probably the largest wvw guild on JQ,… Did you read the sig? LOL

Balance isn’t going to be solved by this LOL.

ummm what exactly are you complaining about ? Your sis can’t get in cause now all of a sudden JQ is full ? Hasn’t JQ been full for like FOREVER ? :/

In the previous system, it would open in the evenings for brief times and people would get in slowly she had just been working during that time and waiting for a day off to do so.

Why/when did she transfer off in the first place?

rhapsody.3615:

Tspatula.9086:

Anyone know of a way to check the server pops via the toobs? or do we have to log into the game to see how the servers are ranked now?

Here you go~

lookit that healthy EU!

Samuel Loretan.8601:

This should be rolled out tomorrow.

To answer a bunch of questions that I’ve seen on this thread:

• The price to move to a server of a given population level isn’t changing. What’s changing is the way population levels are attributed to the servers.

• I won’t detail the way the new algorithm works, because I want to minimize the risk of people trying to game it. That being said, I am confident it is robust against such attempts. It’s not looking at a short period of time, and it’s looking at many aspects of the ways players are interacting with WvW to determine a server population.

• It will continue to be impossible to join or transfer to Full servers. It is possible that some servers are going to be marked as Full for a long time. While I understand this can be annoying for some, this is necessary to create a better experience for everyone.

• I agree that asking new players to chose a World before doing anything in the game is odd, now that Worlds are a WvW concept. This isn’t something we can change easily, however, but I’ll keep it in mind if an occasion arises.

• Please keep in mind that this won’t have an immediate, instantaneous effect on your WvW experience. The effect of the change will take some time to be observable from a player perspective – it should however be visible pretty quickly on my side, and I’ll make sure it’s going in the right direction.

Once this change has been deployed, I’d like to hear what you think about the population level your server now has. Specifically, I’m interested in hearing about feelings of mismatch (like “my server is marked as full, but feels really empty even at peak time”).

Thanks for the feedbacks so far! I’m glad most of you are liking this change.
— Samuel

Thank you for more info. This actually sounds sensible and will, over time, start to make a difference in WvW pops.

Tspatula.9086:

Alliances wouldn’t and shouldn’t be random. They should be player created just like guilds.

Sounds to me you’d be happy with a private server.

Not my cup of tea. I’d miss out on all the new and creative people that come into WvW every day and add to my gaming environment.

Menaka.5092:

• Trebuchets were designed as the ultimate long-range attack weapon, they are used 90% of the time on short range behind the gates to destroy rams/alpha golems with no counter

Sadly, they are easily countered if you understand placement/siege (and yes, without golems). This is a bit of hyperbole.

But but … You have The Edge?

gennyt.3428:

Jayne.9251:

1. Dodge. Dodge. Dodge.

2. If mesmer, use moa on thieves.

3. If not a mesmer or thief, use stealth traps.

4. Channelled spell skills will continue to target the mes/thief even while invis. Use them.

5. Dodge.

Wait what? What Mes/Thief is going to allow you to sit there and plant stealth traps? :x

I do it all the time

Then I stand on the trap and wait for them to be unable to resist trying to gank me. It’s all so fun

WvW is more about playing chess for me than it is anything else.

1. Dodge. Dodge. Dodge.

2. If mesmer, use moa on thieves.

3. If not a mesmer or thief, use stealth traps.

4. Channelled spell skills will continue to target the mes/thief even while invis. Use them.

5. Dodge.

lol, gosh the more people write about it, the worse it sounds.

One thing to be considered: If there’s a feature that can be abused by players, it will be abused.

The fellow one above me talks about portals from two servers onto one … Nooo, that wouldn’t be abused, at all. Nuh huh.

I absolutely love that we are getting feedback from a red name. I’m hesitant that there’s a lack of details, yet the devil-for-punishment WvWer is grateful for the interaction.

I’d wait on laying the laurels, until you find out exactly what this entails.

I’m truly hoping that it involves informing the community, seeking feedback for various pitfalls, instead of blindly (and stubbornly) plugging ahead with a plan.

I love Anet, but man, some of the choices could have had way less drama with community input.

their.

Wryscher.1432:

It is all fun and games until you log on one day and get the message, ’300 people from (Insert your Server name here) have already logged in and claimed this as their home Server. Please Select a new server from the list of Available Servers.

Oh God, lol. I will rage quit.

Jana.6831:

Jayne.9251:

If NA is smart, it’ll take this opportunity to emulate EU and spread out for the fights — not the blue ribbon (which is meaningless now).

You underestimate the effects of a high ping.
I have been on NA and wouldn’t go back there because of the ping.

Yes, oddly, I live in EST zone (NA) and I find my ping better on my EU account than my NA account for some reason. I have no idea why.

DeWolfe.2174:

Jayne.9251:

If NA is smart, it’ll take this opportunity to emulate EU and spread out for the fights — not the blue ribbon (which is meaningless now).

Just because Anet made 24 NA worlds at launch doesn’t mean it’s the correct division of players for today’s game population. People like fights of varying volumes of players. For me, fights are the most fun with high volume and full maps. So going to a higher Tier is better. If you like smaller scale then you can go a bit lower tiered. Spreading out evenly will more than likely make a lack luster experience for most. This change of taking into account the actual game modes population will help players find the experience they prefer.

It’s actually a fantastic way to ensure guilds stick together by giving them something to focus on/do. If you are facing new enemy servers each week, you get to face different guilds and test out your stuff vs them. That constant rotation, because of a close glicko (which would take a couple months to achieve in NA, but is doable), means more variety in matches and more challenges … which ultimately leads to improvement in skill.

I completely understand about liking massive scale fights. They can be fun, and they are not the cup of tea of everyone. But as a guild, if I was looking at maintaining a future and a robust roster on GW2, I’d look to move to a different server — if only to present more challenges for my guildmates. And I’d coordinate with other big guilds to make sure we all spread out so those challenges continued each week.

Whether your server is 1st or 8th spot, it doesn’t really matter much anymore. What matters is keeping your guild (and you) engaged.

Tspatula.9086:

Ok, how it would work would be you set your alliance and anet could calculate your active players, then at reset the boarderlands would be assigned to however many alliances were required to “fill the maps” within reason. Once those groups of maps were generated they would be set for the week, AND the alliance could also be set for some duration either week by week, or a longer match period. So there would be no mid-week realignments. Non-allied people who entered WvW could be randomly assigned an ’Alliance boarderland" the first time they when into WvW that week.

So if the map fills up and you’re part of the alliance, you have to sit out the week? Gee that would suck. I guess you aren’t used to fighting with the cooperation of an entire server — it’s something magical when it happens, believe me. You should try it. Then maybe you’d understand why this alliance idea is not a great choice.

Everything you are suggesting is a bit naive. You assume that an alliance would fill a map and no more — when there are intricate and intimate ties between guilds, solo players, scouts, roamers, havoc teams that don’t fit into your square peg in a square hole theme. Your solution would ultimately leave someone out and not where they want to be — or would, ugh, create overflow maps, where you could never count on having the same people on the map each week.

Have you played WvW outside of your guild .. where it takes many guilds, heck, the whole server, to push together? It seems that your scope is limited.

Tspatula.9086:

As to server stacking and stagnant matchups, that has much more to do with how the glicko is set up, it’s inevitable if there are competitive players, and fortunately for us NA players, the game isn’t played exclusively on EU servers so our situation matters regardless of the reason why it exists…

Yes but NA can fix itself instead of kittening itself. It’s just too many kids see this fake first place status and flock there for easy matches, instead of playing GW2 as a game and enjoying challenges — which is probably the reason why EU WvW is so healthy. But hey, if you enjoy stagnant matches, go for it. Just don’t try to shove a solution to a problem onto the game that was created by the players itself and can be easily fixed. And would likely revert to the same old sorry situation of population imbalance, even with this alliance idea — only by that time, server pride/connection/sense of community would be completely annihilated and there’d be nothing tying virtual strangers together to fight the good fight.

Tspatula.9086:

Jayne.9251:

Sorry, the more you talk about it, the more I hate the idea .. it sounds very superficial and prone to a shifting assembly each week, regardless of whether you pick alliances or not, someone’s going to get the short end of the stick (and then we’ll have the same complaints about population on the forum all over again) — otherwise people would just stack with Alliance A rather than Alliance B, because they know it’ll have more bodies. The possibility of that leading to overflow maps and separation of real teamwork created over time and trust and real relationships in WvW … this idea would completely ruin that bond.

Sorry no.

So the stale match-ups and map cues of the current status quo is good, you like that? I guess you don’t have very many guilds that you or your guild coordinate with and would want to ally with? I get that if you haven’t experienced coordinated guild operations on your server, the idea of Alliances could certainly lead to lots of hopping, but in my experience, I already know a large portion of the people and guilds who would ally together. We wouldn’t have enough coverage for all time zones and would actively recruit guilds into our alliance to gain it. There will always be stacking at the top, but this idea would allow for alliances to match up better against others, and to develop long lasting relationships. And there would be NO overflow maps, AND Alliance total active population would have to be limited to something close to full ques on the 4 maps. You can hate this idea, that is fine, I hate the current system so we’re kinda even….

How would there be no overflow?

You have 500 WvW players. They hear X guild is going to Alliance A — they all flock to Alliance A. Alliance B remains empty and barren and gives no fights for Alliance A. WvW dies.

As for working with guilds, and knowing organized guilds .. I guess you didn’t read my sig line I’m well known on my server for JUST that — coordinating with various guilds.

As for stagnant matches — that a NA thing. And you’ve done it to yourselves essentially. With TW moving to YB, that should shake things up a bit hopefully — but otherwise you have no one to blame for the stagnancy but yourselves. EU, even Tier 1, has different matches almost every week — without Alliances.

If NA is smart, it’ll take this opportunity to emulate EU and spread out for the fights — not the blue ribbon (which is meaningless now).

Sorry, the more you talk about it, the more I hate the idea .. it sounds very superficial and prone to a shifting assembly each week, regardless of whether you pick alliances or not, someone’s going to get the short end of the stick (and then we’ll have the same complaints about population on the forum all over again) — otherwise people would just stack with Alliance A rather than Alliance B, because they know it’ll have more bodies. The possibility of that leading to overflow maps and separation of real teamwork created over time and trust and real relationships in WvW … this idea would completely ruin that bond.

Sorry no.

Second video, lol: “Try inverse psychology!”

Hahahahaa

Posted in our match thread by Atoss from FSP.

Can’t stop laughing.

Think it’s much needed after this week.

God love EU players.

Tspatula.9086:

that’s not what I am talking about, guilds would form alliances not Anet, guilds within would have control over alliance composition, so it would strengthen the ability to play with whom you wished not weaken it.

What happens to people who are unguilded, but an integral part of the existing community? I know tons of people who are in small or solo guilds and losing them in the shuffle would not be good.

Puck.9612:

Jayne.9251:

They should really make Gaile the head of all communications. I like Gaile. I respect Gaile.

Oh I just peeked, she already is

Someone needs to whisper her and remind her that this forum exists

Shush you. I adore Gaile. Don’t make me thwap you.

They should really make Gaile the head of all communications. I like Gaile. I respect Gaile.

Oh I just peeked, she already is

Puck.9612:

I’ve also been here since the betas and the majority of what I’ve seen is that most posters are civil as long as the dev’s aren’t dismissive and show they really want to have a dialogue.

If they only come in here to say things like don’t bump old threads or you’ll get infracted, people will understandably be kittened off.

I just remember poor Habib trying to talk with the community and getting stomped, lol .. and then run screaming away from us. I miss Habib, he was a nice man. He tried.

Seriously though dear, can you come up with a way to control the abuse without having to employ 15 web guys to delete and infract 24/7? Cos they eliminated the match threads because they were too much work to keep up with all the “reports” …

The good news is people are passionate about WvW. But that’s kind of the bad news too — it often leads to lack of objectivity (I’m guilty of it, too).

Puck.9612:

Jayne.9251:

Puck.9612:

Jayne.9251:

you can be pretty sure this forum is read, even if there’s no response.

Yeah that doesn’t really count as communication. They need to do more than pop in from time to time saying nothing more than what basically boils down to “shut up WvW’ers”

If every time you and I communicated, I punched you in the nose, how would you adjust your dialogue with me?

I agree, there needs to be better communication, but after a certain point and effort, it becomes masochism. How would you do it?

You know message boards for games, particularly pvp-related forums. They’re always trash — there’s stories being written out there how the level of anger, particularly from gamers, is out of control.

If you spent years trying to have a relevant discussion only to be constantly ignored, told to shut up, or told your entire play style doesn’t matter how friendly would you remain when you are still being ignored?

Look through the responses when we actually get a red name on the forum that isn’t just locking threads or telling us to shut up. The responses are overwhelmingly supportive and grateful. All they have to do is stop in here and actually have a discussion and the negativity would drop drastically.

I’ve played GW2 since beta. I TOTALLY get your frustration.

But during that time I’ve also witnessed various WvW devs dip a toe into the WvW forum, only to get their heads bitten off by one group or another. It’s that old adage, “you can’t please everyone” and typically you are screwed if you even try — because deadlines aren’t met, updates don’t go as expected, they nerf a class because of forum outcry only to have more outcry. I’ve watched these devs dip into the WvW forum, try to have active discussions with us, only to be basically screamed at constantly because .. you can’t please everyone. There was a period in time where we were getting red names in here all the time — then little by little that slowed down, then stopped.

If you can come up with a solution on how communications could be handled here, I’m sure you’d be lauded. But having witnessed how it typically happens — it always devolves into a screaming mess.

And really, would you like to deal with that every day as your job if you didn’t have to? Honestly if you could come up with a viable way to openly communicate and not be abused, I’d love to hear it. No forum that’s pvp-related has been able to do it that I’ve seen.

Perhaps Sartre was right — Hell is other people.

Puck.9612:

Jayne.9251:

you can be pretty sure this forum is read, even if there’s no response.

Yeah that doesn’t really count as communication. They need to do more than pop in from time to time saying nothing more than what basically boils down to “shut up WvW’ers”

If every time you and I communicated, I punched you in the nose, how would you adjust your dialogue with me?

I agree, there needs to be better communication, but after a certain point and effort, it becomes masochism. How would you do it?

You know message boards for games, particularly pvp-related forums. They’re always trash — there’s stories being written out there how the level of anger, particularly from gamers, is out of control. (Here’s an example: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2013/jul/29/twitter-culture-gamer-rage)

Puck.9612:

Jayne.9251:

illenos.5134:

Jayne.9251:

illenos.5134:

Wow…gg Anet…G kittenING G! That’s one of the most pathetic actions I’ve ever experienced in 14 years of mmos from a dev team…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Dev-Paperchase/first#post5312693

He’s not a dev hon. He’s forum/web only.

Yeah. This makes it much better. The first red tag thingy post and it’s somewhat pathetic. Let other guys talk to us but don’t even bother to take care. I understand it when our forum specialist can’t do anything about it but Mark could do a little bit more than “kitten you! Leave us alone!”.

We reached this kind of impasse when they decided to eliminate weekly match threads.

I’d hate for them to get utterly tired of the vitriol and remove any form of communication whatsoever.

What would be the difference?

I understand the frustration .. but I’d much rather have some avenue of communication than none at all — even though it feels like that at times.

If they removed the WvW section entirely because it required too much maintenance, then there’d be zero way to talk directly to the devs — you can be pretty sure this forum is read, even if there’s no response.

Here, Atoss from FSP posted this in our match thread … it was the highlight of my week, so I’m sharing.

Now THIS is fabulous use of mass golems. God bless EU and its players

Cheers!

xox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwz2XKCnQ00

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Jayne.9251:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Not sure if it’s due to envy or jealously.

When in doubt, it’s always jealously.

… you sly uh, fellow.

I had one of the AARM leaders blame us for the collapse of TC one nite. Claims to have video evidence that he threatened to submit to Anet.

Ah, I was actually being this with my post.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Not sure if it’s due to envy or jealously.

When in doubt, it’s always jealously.

… you sly uh, fellow.

illenos.5134:

Jayne.9251:

illenos.5134:

Wow…gg Anet…G kittenING G! That’s one of the most pathetic actions I’ve ever experienced in 14 years of mmos from a dev team…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Dev-Paperchase/first#post5312693

He’s not a dev hon. He’s forum/web only.

Yeah. This makes it much better. The first red tag thingy post and it’s somewhat pathetic. Let other guys talk to us but don’t even bother to take care. I understand it when our forum specialist can’t do anything about it but Mark could do a little bit more than “kitten you! Leave us alone!”.

We reached this kind of impasse when they decided to eliminate weekly match threads.

I’d hate for them to get utterly tired of the vitriol and remove any form of communication whatsoever.

It’s ok to be frustrated by the past week. I was. I found it annoying and shared my pov here many times this past week. But at the end of the day, it is their company, they can do what they want — and if being angry and yelling isn’t getting anywhere with the devs, maybe it’s time to try another approach? Just suggestin’.

xox

illenos.5134:

Wow…gg Anet…G kittenING G! That’s one of the most pathetic actions I’ve ever experienced in 14 years of mmos from a dev team…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Dev-Paperchase/first#post5312693

He’s not a dev hon. He’s forum/web only.

Worked on season two living story, walked my dog, watched Princess Bride (sniff, such a great movie), went to the gym, even put a toe in EoTM.

I duel to improve my skillset. The people I duel with and I have an agreement to down, but not kill. That way you can get up, learn from your mistakes and try again, without having to run from spawn.

In my opinion, it’s the best way to learn your class and weaknesses, so that you can contribute more in an organized group.

It’s also a short distraction from doing some of the less-fun jobs on map (upgrading, sieging, doly walking, etc), without having to requeue to get back onto map. Most duels last a whopping 10 minutes, tops, then back to the grind.

coglin.1867:

Random.4691:

coglin.1867:

OP your argument lost the ability to hold water the second your post began to assume a mutual exclusivity between WvW players and PvE player. This whole flawed thought process that no one plays both WvW and PvE is absurd.

While you’re not wrong, according to Anet we all play both which is also not remotely close to true.

Do you have a link to something, in which they stated “WE ALL” play both?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Mike-O-Brien-thinks-you-re-all-into-PvE

GROMIT.7829:

How about an event where you actually pay attention to the WvW community and help us help you to make this game mode better/fixed.

Stop ignoring us and stop cherry picking all the childish nonsical suggestions you can tweet to make yourself look good. There’s only one way to make you look good and that is behave in a manner that deserves respect from your community.

You do not listen us – FACT
You do not care about us – FACT
You do not fix bugs until it’s been exploited for months/years – FACT
You do not ban hackers anywhere near as fast as 90% of the devs out there – FACT
You will delete my post under the pretext of it not being relevant or an insult to the devs even though by treating us the way you do YOU are insulting and disrespecting us considerably more – FACT

lol, I just read your tag line.

I totally am. We established this already.

Yeah I know .. it’s all I have though.

I’d offer a Leafs victory, but we all know I’d be lying.

I just want the Canadians.

All Canadians to Piken! Stat!

Tim Horton’s crappy coffee and poutine waiting!

I’d actually suggest Piken in EU with your hours. You’ll get enough bodies following and provide a much-needed extra blue icon on map to deal with other gold servers. We’ve had a ton of bandwagonners lately, so you’ll find EU players short on patience a bit lol.

I watched some new transfers the other day come onto map and start raging because only 20 players were on them. Less than 20 minutes later, same commander was raging that only 15 players were on him .. less than 20 minutes after that 10 players, lol. He quit shortly after that

Most EU players don’t have patience for those who come on and rage. They’ll just go to another map or find something else to do. It’s a game, after all, for most of EU. But prove your worth and you’ll have a relentless and loyal following. The bulk of Piken pugs are from organized guilds and just out playing outside of their guild’s raiding time.

Just don’t rage

Actually I believe the real money makers are from WvW, with all the sever switching.

Since they merged all the pve servers into a mega server, the only reason TO spend significant gems/cash is because of WvW and desire to try new pastures.

I wonder if anyone’s made the golem/wvw connection to living story yet?

Also: Whales dropped … German commanders? Lol. We were talking about this very thing the other day on map.

Coyote.7031:

Jayne.9251:

mikerock.6187:

THIS JUST IN!:
NOW WE WAIT TILL FRIDAY!

lol, when the event was scheduled to end anyhow

That’s the joke =P

I know hon

I was being tryhard!

mikerock.6187:

THIS JUST IN!:
NOW WE WAIT TILL FRIDAY!

lol, when the event was scheduled to end anyhow

Gosh, ya’ll need to re-read

Not a thing about the golem event.

This is about hacking.

I imagine this specific situation, since three pages in, not addressed: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Blacktide-hacker-is-busy-again/page/3#post5304776

lordkrall.7241:

I play WvW more or less daily on a high tier server and I don’t think I have ever encountered a hacker. And yet based on the forums they are running around everywhere at all times.

Oh we’ve had them.

The best was the guy who flew from the top of the dome in North East tower, then directly into lords in Hills. But usually talking to the other server at least lets them broadcast on map — and our hackers are usually solo guys who stick strictly to flying and not other OP hacks.

The Blacktide hacker seems endemic. If our entire home map was flipped in under two minutes, making it impossible to hold onto anything, I think the level of frustration would rise pretty quickly. More so if nothing appears to be fixed rendering the game mode useless. I think it deserves some attention — and apparently has gotten some resolution in the past. However, if this guy is popping up over and over after bans, then maybe it might be in Anet’s best interest to park someone on the maps for a month to permanently IP ban the guy. Even VPNs can be identified and nulled.

Few will get that. It’s too subtle

To be fair, I play WvW almost exclusively.

This week, however, I’ve been working on season two of living story.

So it could be she’s just sitting out the week like I am?

Omie.4519:

Check out this Staff Mesmer (yes STAFF MESMER) reporting people. Note the skill clicking. Note the badness. The the madness. I’m sure this is one of you people. Such a beautiful video.

Dear, aren’t you worried someone’s going to take your bridge?

redzerofighter.2381:

One last comment for this post, I heard of someone mentioned that people don’t exclusively play WvW. Well it’s partly true. After all, WvW costs money, and as a commander, you can’t hope to get superior siege just by WvW alone. PvE is there for us commanders to make enough money to WvW for proper foods, buffs, and siege, unless you have friends or guildies willing to toss all of that at you for free.

Piken has a “scout of the week” award because the server’s guilds and players recognize that those who dedicate their time to scouting, are often missing out on the so-called loot. They award five players 10 gold each week to recognize the efforts made by these players. Money is donated by players and guilds.

I think it’s a smart idea.

As for me — I’ve always used the ol’ CC instead of grinding gold in game (I should probably stop doing that) — so my 10 hours a day of playing GW2 are indeed exclusively in WvW. I guess if I stop playing then I’ll save some money on my credit cards lol.

Oh gosh, now you just shot yourself in the foot, lol.