Guild Wars 2

Bhawb.7408:

I’m not entirely sure if this was said or not: but how will condition/boon duration fit into the new system? Profession mechanics were talked about (half added to base, half added to profession trait line), but currently boon/condition duration don’t exist on PvP amulets, so will they be included in trait lines or gear now?

Edit: Also, with profession mechanic trait-lines getting a benefit to speccing into them (attunement reduction for example), will other trait lines see similar things? Otherwise it seems like the profession trait lines will almost automatically be significantly better since they are the only ones that give additional benefit on top of the traits.

thats a great question

You mentioned some classes gaining an off-hand weapon,

will they also be gaining a mainhand with 3 skills? i.e necro dagger and offhand dagger

It seems kind of unfair to only give a class 2 new weapon skills when some others will be receiving 5.

Please try to limit this thread to questions only, so we can get the most out of questions asked.

The flesh golem part was my favourite…how does something like that go untouched for so long?

BURN HIM AT THE STAKE BURN

I don’t usually agree with vee wee, in fact his/her post give me headaches.

But those were some solid ideas.

Next stop: hire new employees.

Please we need the looking for group thread back for PvP. The influx of posts from PvE and WvW guilds outweigh the PvP posts and they go unnoticed. Since we are not allowed to bump threads nobody ever sees the post. With the upcoming tournament of legends 3, we need this back, prontoooo!

For the love of all that is holy…..if you really want to test this out you don’t test it on an engineer exedore.

Hidden Killer on thief: 100% crit chance when striking from stealth, revealed buff is 3s. you have enough time to restealth and test the proc intervals. It may be off by 1 second or less.

Chaith.8256:

SobeSoul.6910:

Chaith.8256:

SobeSoul.6910:

Phantaram.1265:

I tested in about 5 minutes of my free time. Less than than most of you probably took typing the things you typed.

86.5% crit chance channeling Air #1 on scepter (elementalist)

1st 1 minute trial with fire sigil (5 second cooldown)
procced 11 times

2nd 1 minute trial with fire sigil
Procced 11 times

1st 1 minute trial with air sigil (listed 3 second cooldown)
procced 11 times

2nd 1 minute trial with air sigil
procced 11 times

Oh no. I’ve provided proof when the burden was not mine. Did I commit some kind of treasonous act?

No. But that isn’t scientific. Do you understand probability and statistics?

Air procs aren’t 100% every 3s. It’s 50/50 if it procs or not. Therefore 3s is the optimal time it actually procs, but that’s not realistic.

“Do you understand probability and statistics?”

Lol, this comes across as pretty unnecessary a comment when you consder how fast the rate of fire on the Scepter Air 1 ability with crit rate mentioned, a difference in the rate of procs would be immediately apparent if the cooldown on Air Sigil was indeed 3 seconds.

Your teammate obviously shows a lack of understanding of it. If he did, you and him, would understand 1 minute of testing doesn’t provide data that would even be acknowledged on an academic level. Learn what sample sizes are, and what is too small to take seriously.

You and your teammate might be top tier players. But neither of you are top tier mathematicians if you defend that as “testing”.

You could actually set up an equation. Figure out what he average time for different crit chances for the sigil to proc. And then you would need 1,200+ bits of data (more would be better) to see if the sigil ICD is in line with the tooltip for it. I’ve been in an upper level Economics class that involved Statistics. There’s no grey area between good statistics and bad field “testing”.

And have phanta show screens shots of his testing.

We’re trying to figure out if something is fishy here, not publish a paper.

Arc Lightning hits 2.8 times every second. Not once a second. To see no difference in proc rates between Air and Fire in two separate tests, maybe the people who have tested this are on to something?

I have not tested it myself.

Edit: I have Air and Fire sigil on right now, and I’m smacking an indestuctible dummy, and to the naked eye it appears that Air and Fire procs are matching each other at a 1:1 ratio.

I’ve now been doing this for quite a while and despite the RNG of crits, they’ve been exactly as spaced out as each other. I’ve never seen Air Sigil procs ‘lap’ or increase in procs per minute over the fire sigil.

Disbelieve if you prefer, I don’t give one expletive deleted if normal people methods don’t convince you, Sheldon.

" not trying to publish a paper" lol wut I’m laughing irl
He’s trying to explain basic math to you and you arguably make the most dumb comment of all. R.I P. Indeed

Even if you’re hitting more than once every second that is still a flawed method of testing it. You realize you need to take your critical hit chance into consideration? Lololol I laughed at “Sheldon” you’re only making yourself look dumber by making snarky comments at the guy who makes more sense than the person you were defending (phanta) excuse my grammar im typing from my phone

says sigil is broken, gets challenged, gets embarrassed and tells the readers to go test it.

lululululzzzz

You still never answered sagats question, what build or class are you talking about that can’t cleanse? Every class has some sort of cleansing.

If you are immobilized in an aoe chances are you are being focused. AoE is literally in every game, get used to it. There I no aoes that you can’t avoid in this game.

any update on this?!?!

Another wise guy who thinks he can cover up a nerf by calling it something else.

Please, before anyone says anything about the necromancer, enlighten yourself:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/external?l=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DPna1XlfVYqs

ronpierce.2760:

Jelzouki.4128:

“panic strike is dumb”

great title….not.

Seems to get right to the point, doesn’kitten You knew what to expect when you clicked on it. #SuccessfulTitleIsSuccessful

I don’t know what you just said.

But it is not a good way to propose change, making the claim that something is just “dumb”…there could be better choices of words, like (un)balanced, etc.

“panic strike is dumb”

great title….not.

Aktium.9506:

NeXeD.3042:

Terror is burst.

Them 2.5k condi tick bursts.

terror doesnt tick for 2.5k

I just sent this video in a PM to like 5 arena net employees with the description: pass this on to your employees please.

I KNOW IT’S DUMB BUT IM AT A BREAKING POINT. THIS CLASS HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL TO BE BETTER.

/caps

AND ON THE SEVENTH DAY GOD SAID BALANCE THE NECROMANCER,

……AND ARENA NET SAID NO.

1. Mr Maylo Guardian
2. Tage Guardian
3. ROM Warrior
4. Sizer Thief
5. Noscoc Necromancer

What: Reapers Touch, Spectral grasp
Suggestion: increase the projectile speed and reduce cast time to 1/2 second, spectral grasp cast time is fine as is
Why: the skill is too slow to land its full potential and the cast time on RP is too long for the reward, especially since it is most effective when close to your enemy to get all 3 bounces, you’re just left defenceless for a incomparable reward.

I agree with you in that case.

Why would you barely see it when that is the pure reason for taking dagger?

I agree, most power necros run dagger.

If you’re going to tell me axe is a ranged weapon i won’t bother replying to you because it is complete and utter poopy (as a ranged weapon). The axe needs a ranged buff, or needs to be turned into a cleave weapon similar to dagger or warrior axe.

Bhawb.7408:

Staff does not make every build better. It isn’t that good on anything that isn’t condi, its pretty much only taken in non-condi because power builds want something to do at 1200 range, and yes I’m still really salty about Putrid Mark’s nerf. The fact that staff is even considered decent anymore is a testament to how abysmal our ranged options are.

You are a sitting duck with a/d if someone is ranging you. Being able to cast your marks behind you is huge for peeling. It could use more life force but I love my staff. I agree it could use a damage buff maybe? But It does make every necro build better but whatever floats your boat bhawb.

I’m assuming everyone is basing this off a power build so have you ever tried casting the auto attack then popping your death shroud to get a life blast off and make your staff AA crit? Plus air and fire procs can equate to a lot of damage. The staff auto attack crits between 1500-2100.

In the grande scheme of things, staff is the LAST weapon that needs help on necromancer. Again….this is my opinion. Don’t get offended if you don’t agree with me, just rebuttle with numbers and facts as I have provided.

robertul.3679:

No stunbreaks on the most easily focused class, especially after the life force at start nerf.
No condi removal except a long cast easy to interrupt skill that also is your heal.
3s of protection won’t save you. Soul comprehension is a nice passive but it’s not worth building around it at all.

Oh and you severely lack ranged pressure. Staff may not be much but it has crazy life force generation. Axe range is a joke and only works to kite pure melee with no gap closers which honestly doesn’t even exist.

You will get targeted, chain immobilized and stunned and you won’t be able to do anything about it because you are right in their face with that silly 600 range axe has.

I agree with regards to the stunbreaks but what are you smoking kid? Staff has terrible life force generation unless you can position it pierce multiple targets.

On another note, take staff. It makes every necro build better.

I would say: yes roll necromancer.

As someone who has around 4k PvP matches played and two legendaries from PvE, I can tell you that necromancers are a fun class to play and they don’t get shunned. Yeah may be on a couple occasions but who cares, its still a fun class to play and still has a role in this game.

Its possibly going to get better with the expansion, and they are pretty good in the world versus world game mode. I don’t know what everyone above me is smoking.

Change the title of this thread it doesn’t relate to anything you’re trying to explain. You established there are 3 game modes, thanks captain obvious?

I’ve build crafted with power necro so much and I would honestly never move the 6/2/0/0/6 trait split. The only way you’re going to change the build is by switching runes and sigils and utilities and possibly the weapons. If you move any of the traits around the build suffers severely in damage.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

tronjeremy.5820:

Many people have asked about my current build so I made this video and posted the build on MetaBattle if anyone is interested in checking it out.

The build had a lot of variance over time, but it’s never about the build — your play style is simply exceptional. +1

Guys its never about the build so I guess I’ll start running my blood magic necro that’s OP. Maybe minionmaster? How about turret engi?

Stronghold tutorial would be nice, but not like the kitten one we have for conquest.

No I’m just trying to prove that stronghold has the potential to turn into courtyard if you’re against competent players. But if that’s how you want to take it then ya I’m the best player NA.

I faced a full 5 man premade consisting of well known players such as countless, kitten, genyen, ender and some other guy.

Luckily I also had some competent players like Quilja and Morfeus.

Basically what happened was the other team zerged around together trying to pick us off and get points for kills. The objective of killing the lord was gone.

We caught on to what they were doing and it became a courtyard match, but we did manage to pull off capping the hero’s and winning the match, but it was undoubtedly a good tactic that they used.

I don’t want to play courtyard anet come on guys.

How do we make stronghold less like courtyard?

agreed, arena net lost me when they forced us to queue from the mist

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Jelzouki.4128:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Jelzouki.4128:

Toughness while channelling trait has been broken for the longest time. Its probably hurting this build a tonne.

You do not gain any toughness currently while channelling.

It’s not broken, but is misleading. You truly don’t gain any Toughness while channeling, but you do get 400 armor during that period. Basically the same result, except for stat conversions

So you do get the buff?

Your armor goes up by 400, yes. But, for example, if you have 5 points in Death Magic, you do not gain another 40 Power (10% of 400).

still not seeing the stats just tried it out now

Ansau.7326:

Good old Helseth

Funny how many times he says the game is kitten, the game is broken, the clones are kittened, enemies play kittenty strategy… when something doesn’t go as he likes.

Helseth’s rudeness goes hand in hand with his skill. And he’s one of the best players out there.

PD: In the end of the video he duels a friendly engi and it takes ages to kill him. Don’t know how it would have been with MtD.

Until anyone from MtD wins any $$ I’m going to put my money on helseth over MtD.

Lol @ rude.

This is the internet, if you wanna cry gtfo.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Jelzouki.4128:

Toughness while channelling trait has been broken for the longest time. Its probably hurting this build a tonne.

You do not gain any toughness currently while channelling.

It’s not broken, but is misleading. You truly don’t gain any Toughness while channeling, but you do get 400 armor during that period. Basically the same result, except for stat conversions

So you do get the buff?

If only if only !!!!

Toughness while channelling trait has been broken for the longest time. Its probably hurting this build a tonne.

You do not gain any toughness currently while channelling.

Turrets should be susceptible to critical hits, not condition damage ROFL.

http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki

Roe.3679:

Pretty sure Vee Wee is a she.

Awesome.

Now that we know everyone’s gender roles everything makes so much more sense now.

Roe.3679:

ArrDee.2573:

Because burning from a Necromancer is much different than burning from an Engineer!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

How? Elaborate please.

Dhuumfire necros had tons of condition damage and cc if they successfully pulled off combos. Cele engineers have condition damage, direct damage, and tons of cc. The only real difference is direct damage vs condition damage. Unless you want to count that IP is a master trait, compared to dhuumfire at grandmaster, and that condition necros were a flash in the meta pan in comparison to engineers now.

You should know that arrdee doesn’t elaborate and say anything to back his opinion. He just states it and doesn’t take any kind of criticism because in his mind he is always right. Lol there is never anything constructive or productive when arrdee is commenting.

Wahoo Bye Frands!

Anyone can tailor a build to their liking for solo queue, the real way to get on the board is to actually do well in a tournament with it, get a team and show it off if its really that good.

Chaith.8256:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Phantaram.4816:

Warrior:
Call to Arms – Vigor Duration reduced to 6 seconds base
Charge – Cooldown increased to 20 seconds base
Reason: This ability currently cures cripple, immobilize, chill + converts 1 more condition to a boon and removes 1 more condition on a 12s cooldown in a 1200 aoe, just absolutely crazy powerful.

Warrior Warhorn dont need nerfs. Warrior have little acess to vigor and that acess is not viable in any trait line. Also warhorn is not a ofensive weapon so its better to be good at something and for all of those things to happen warhorn needs to be traited in a pure defensive trait line.

If you think warhorn does too much then what you think about thief steal?

It’s not really about looking at individual skills

Phanta’s thinking is more so about looking at the landscape of 4v4 / 5v5 teamfights in PvP, where condition removal is so pervasive with Guardian’s double Virtue of Resolve, Shouts/Warhorns, and/or Cleansing Water with an occasional Healing Turret is nullifying condi reliant builds completely.

nerf celestial problem solved

In my own opinion, I favour well of corruption over well of suffering, it provides more pressure with the condi corruption. And as a side note, the current bug with well of corruption makes it worth taking over WoS.

PowerBottom.5796:

haha, you’re really gonna argue with phantaram? ^^’

Necro:
- Summon Flesh Wurm cast time from 1 1/2 seconds to 3/4: The way the TerrorNec is currently played, you have to use Wurm for mobility/lifeforce and the other stunbreaker for mobility. Give them at least some way of not being trained down within seconds in a teamfight. With a reduced casttime, flesh wurm could be used during fights when you can’t put it down preemptively, just a very small buff in an area where the Nec has huge problems.

- Reapers Precision: from 33% proc to 50%: Give the Nec at least a small reason to run rabid amulet.

The changes proposed by phantaram make absolute sense and make the build just slitghtly less powerful in aspects where they’d still be more than powerful enough. Also, it rewards better play and/or restricts the power of very very easy to use skills or combos.

What’s wrong with arguing with Phantaram? Just because he is a really good player doesn’t mean he is deemed to be right about everything when it comes to balance. Hop off the fanboy bandwagon would yah?

On another note, I just think it’s biased that he is proposing nerfs to almost all meta builds while he suggest nothing be done about elementalist.

Anyways I disagree with all of these changes. Phantaram obviously didn’t consider that when you balance for pvp you’re also affecting wvw. These changes are unnecessary. The only change I would propose would be to reduce warrior base vitality and improve necromancer survivability mechanics, as well as do something to transition rangers and mesmers back into meta.

Let’s consider the standard powermancer utilities. Double well, spectral armor.

What would you sub out Well of Suffering for if you could?

I’ve been using spectral grasp a lot but its really annoying when it misses because of how slow the darn thing moves.

Spectral grasp -> dagger auto attack then wait for dodge then pop death shroud from the 20% life force you just gained and start your death shroud rotation.

Well of darkness could be a nice defensive mechanic but I feel like the cool down is way too long.

My question is: what would you use?

i’d argue that ranger is probably worst class in-game

i’d say that necromancer and mesmers are pretty on-par with each other in terms of balance…

Testudo.4620:

Jelzouki.4128:

I know the OP is considered a pro in PvP so he must be right about everything PvP buuut.. .this thread comes off as ignorant and is possibly the least constructive way to discuss a change. I don’t know what materials you’re getting that force you to go in the PvE world.

you’re right, i’ve literally never even heard of ascended materials. can someone please explain to me what ascended materials are?

There is a collection tab for ascended materials and everyone hoards or deletes them. There is no point in going to PvE to craft your ascended materials if you are a PvP player. Unless you want a skin, then sure put a crafting station in the mist. Happy now? Your point is moot. Next time think that through mmkay.

The Gates Assassin.9827:

Nabrok.9023:

MarkPhilips.5169:

- no blue/green stuff

It amuses me that some PvP players seem to think there’s some mysterious use for blues and greens in PvE. There isn’t.

Salvaging for luck is the only use for most of it, and luck is as useful to PvP players as it is to PvE players.

If you don’t care about the luck, just sell it either on TP if it’s light armor and actually worth something or to a vendor if it’s not. Just like PvE players do.

The use is about 1-3 silver. Just cut the middle man because I will never salvage for luck because I don’t care about it.

You should. It gets you better drops.

On another note, I honestly don’t understand what is wrong with opening boxes and salvaging items? I mean every single PvP player complains about queue times then just sit in the mist and completely shut down.

You certainly have time to open boxes, salvage and sell. Just because you’re too lazy to click your mouse doesn’t make this an issue.

Please everyone, including you phantaram, don’t put yourself on a pedestal and proclaim that this is a problem, because it isn’t.