Guild Wars 2

That 6th bonus you chose is just too strong. As it currently stands scourge can already melt people in seconds with condi burst. Adding something like inflict bleed whenever you inflict torment, ON A RUNE, would be out of hand (for mesmers too).

Tiresias.6473:

Jelzouki.4128:

Hi,

For those that dont know me let me attach some credibility to my name for a moment. I was on team ASAP Zerg, semi-pro esport team. Long time pvper and necro player. Just wanted to clarify that scourge is indeed too strong. The people defending it have no clue what they are saying. Im guessing they are going to nerf the burn damage. You press buttons and things just die when playing the scourge.

Let me translate:

“I know you guys have no idea who I am, but let me assure you that I’m e-famous. Nerf Scourge because people can hit buttons and kill people. I’m not going to bother to present any evidence, analysis, or reference points. K thx bye.”

Seriously, what’s even up with the nerf posts on every single board? We got to play the specs for ONE WEEKEND. Nobody has any idea what they are doing and no theorycraft or strategy has been developed around including the altered environment.

Threads like this one are why Necros can’t have nice things.

I think you’re deluded. All I was doing is reassuring readers that I am not an inexperienced necro player.

And what I said was all the evidence I needed. I built a condition build that absolutely melts people if you just mash your shroud bar. Threads like these come up after beta weekends to give feedback to the devs. Post like yours are what cause flaming and cause threads to derail because of your kittened comment.

Scourge is better for condition damage based builds and reaper is better for power.

Hi,

For those that dont know me let me attach some credibility to my name for a moment. I was on team ASAP Zerg, semi-pro esport team. Long time pvper and necro player. Just wanted to clarify that scourge is indeed too strong. The people defending it have no clue what they are saying. Im guessing they are going to nerf the burn damage. You press buttons and things just die when playing the scourge.

Long time pvper here and semi pro necromancer player zojoel for team asap zerg. cough 1 win away from pro league cough

I haven’t played the game in months but I still follow the scene and know that a lot of top tier and just plain old loyal players have quit the game. I just wanted to share my idea that may actually bring others and I back and make the game fun again.

The idea: I think it would be cool to have a staking system, where you can wager in game gold or gems and winner takes all whether its small 2v2 arenas or 1v1s or 5v5s whatever. Either this or bring back the automated tournaments that let you win gems!

See ya later.

It should. Every other game uses the pro scene as an indicator of what is the strongest pick. This will clearly indentifiy the weak classes and builds which should then inspire the balance team to make adjustments to bring everything in line. But anet is kittening terrible at doing it.

I dont play gw2 anymore but thanks is in order, thank you storm.

So remove an amulet that by your logic, is fine on all classes but OP on warrior and mesmer? No. That is not how you balance.

/delete thread

Another thread where you showcase that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

The only reason Astral stayed as close as they did in points is because of their Thief.

I will take a video today after 5pm est then I’ll post to YouTube. It can hold its own I promise you that.

It uses rise I just reread your post.

I mean I could take a video if you want me too. But yes it does handle focus fire well.

Ragion.2831:

Jelzouki.4128:

Ragion.2831:

Don’t do it. There are no power necro builds that work for pvp, believe me I’ve tried for years since i also dont like the way condi plays, many others have tried. You are better off switching classes if you want to run a power build.

If you run Marauder, you will get eating alive within the first 20 seconds of a team fight and that is if you run rise with spec armour with several condi cleanses

Then you don’t know how to craft a proper build. I play in high tier MMR, and I just do just fine on power reaper.

The only thing I would not take is greatsword.

Lmao, this is probably your build.

Marauder/demolisher/berserker ammy
Hoelbrak runes, maybe strength
staff, dagger/warhorn.
reaper, spite, soul reaping trait lines

utilites – consumer conditions, rise, flesh wurm, plague signet/suffer. Maybe even switched it up with spec armour and well of power

Dont make me laugh dude, i dont knnow what you mean by high tier MMR especially when players dont know their MMR but in high division league which I play at, power necro fails.

Even Holl who has a wonderful power necro vid im fairly certain plays condi in PvP

Since this thread was created ive seen an increase in power necros in pvp and they always die within 10 seconds especially since i play power revenant and everyone looks for necros.

Nearly everything counters power necro so if you are fine in PvP then you are probably below ruby division or avoiding team fights. You may have your good moments, maybe even good matches but for the most part Power necro is bad and as Nemesis put it “a win more” build

Okay well for starters I do not play in lower tier division. I actually don’t care about divisions but if you must know I’ve been legendary in all seasons.

My credentials (because you sneed convincing):

My pvp team has scrimmaged with top teams like abjured, apex prime, zero counterplay, Ed ream etc and won. We didn’t beat abjured but we came kitten close and it is on my YouTube channel. We were knocked out of pro league qualifiers in the final round by Team Pz. It was not a blowout

And I’ve also won more than a few Academy gaming tournaments.

Now onto the build.

No I do not use dagger. Main hand dagger does not synergize well with reaper, if I’m going to get up in someone’s face I’m doing it in shroud. I use axe warhorn staff. And I don’t use those runes. But congratulations on naming the only power heavy amulets. It uses marauder or demolisher. Consume conditions is an option and plague signet is for every necro build. All the rest that you mentioned do not fit my build. And I continually do well with it.

Ragion.2831:

Don’t do it. There are no power necro builds that work for pvp, believe me I’ve tried for years since i also dont like the way condi plays, many others have tried. You are better off switching classes if you want to run a power build.

If you run Marauder, you will get eating alive within the first 20 seconds of a team fight and that is if you run rise with spec armour with several condi cleanses

Then you don’t know how to craft a proper build. I play in high tier MMR, and I just do just fine on power reaper.

The only thing I would not take is greatsword.

it is viable.

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Acandis.3250:

@Falselights, bad matchmaking is very much tied to the current pip system. Currently the system allows virtually anyone to make ruby for free (granted, the sapphire division makes it a bit more difficult for the truly challenged), which is why ruby matchmaking is so bonkers right now.

Just picture, someone who made it to ruby going 20-0 getting matched with 4 other players who all made it to ruby on a 40% WR. What do you think will happen? This is obviously a bit exaggerated but it is actually what is happening in matchmaking precisely because of this pip system.

this

GET US QUEUEING FROM OUTSIDE THE HOTM!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need this now more than ever.

wow 4 years of playing and you rarely have 200g? thats your own fault.

Power reaper is viable for solo q. When revenant receives its damage nerfs if might even be worth a shot in tournament play.

The only thing that requires spam sometimes is your scepter auto attack and mark of blood. Everything else has a purpose.

ronpierce.2760:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Power Necros are not underpowered.
Conditions are more powerful than they need to be right now, game wide.

It isn’t the scepter, it’s conditions in general.
Condition builds only need 1 attribute allocated for DPS, rest can be defensive.
Power builds need 3 attributes allocated for equal DPS, none can be defensive.

The answer lies in reducing the amount of condition spam. In other words, skills should not spam so many condis so quickly.

That’s actually incorrect. Power Necro is UP. Both Base and Reaper, though I miss base more than anything. Their damage isn’t so much the problem, but that they are slow, predictable and have very poor sustain compared to just about any other primary build these days. They’re certainly below DH which says something in terms of overall meta placement.

If Power (especially base) necro gained some baseline sustain options and avoidance to actually compete with other specs running sound, many people would flock to it over conditions.

Beyond that, Conditions aren’t necessarily “OP”, the condition cleanse system is flawed. I had a post recently on how to fix that, but the likelihood of a change of the magnitude needed just isn’t good since they are focused on Exp 2.

Then you’re not using the right power reaper build. I play in the higher mmr bracket and my build serves just fine. So far into this season playing mostly only power I am 40 wins and 10 losses. Diamond tier 2.

Necro scepter is the only condition weapon necro has. Lol like what are you even asking? What about it is too much? That it stacks a bleed on auto attack? Yeah that happens with all condition weapons in this game. Just because you have no idea how to theory craft a necro build doesnt mean there are builds out there that arent decent. Nobody is forcing you to run condition necro. Power reaper is definitely viable. I’ve made it to legendary both seasons and diamond this season using power. You just have to not be bad at this game.

/closethread

Possibly the most confusing thread ill read all day.

I’ll explain why this comparison is stupid. And by the way I main necro and my team had scrimmaged and beat a few pro league teams, so consider me experienced.

This is like me asking why does thief dagger auto attacks deal more damage than necro dagger auto attacks? Why does ranger staff have a mobility skill? We should all have staff mobility skills. Why does mesmer staff have an aoe field? We should all have aoe fields.

“This game is all about favortism. I also have no idea what im talking about” this is what you sound like.

Because your queue time would probably be 2 hours

You can be better. There is no “im not getting better at this point”, people who make it to legendary aren’t even perfect. You can at least make it to diamond if you improve your rotations/build.

trunks.5249:

i was in ranked on Legacy of the Foefire. i looked at the other teams class comp and i thought they had to many condi heavy classes and we should go for sides . they said no 1 home 4 mid so i played along i was right it was a slaughter . so i said please dont feed mid and go for sides we need to split them up . they did not bother so i got home and far we had a 2cap 90% of the match but still lost because my team would not stop feeding the mid . any other experienced players any good at helping a team use some sort of strategy. i felt like a major failure. we could have won if they just would have took my advise sad part is it was 3 sapphire 2 ambers v 5 ambers lol….i am really about to call it quits on ranked but i cant stop because i truly believe i belong in legendary…….PS to the newer players. if you ever fight a team like above if your team is not built to handle constent condi do not rush mid you will die. . because you are not getting hit by one of them your getting it by a bunch of people because a lot of the condi skills are aoe. so you need to split them up

I’m telling you right now you do not belong in legendary with your current history of games played against games won.

trunks.5249:

Zuko.7132:

The tier system is meant to put u where u belong, if ur having close matches and win about 50% of the time thus staying where u are it seems like u reached ur appropriate place

that statement is very wrong. unless your god and can carry every team you get then it is dumb luck you advance . am a sapphire teir 2 atm i just had a match normally i would say personal score means nothing. however in this case it does 2 team mates got 0 points . sorry man but i am way beyond players like that skill wise

Dude you have played 182 games since the season began and have barely won half of them. You are not beyond anybody skill wise.

As long as there are way more concerning issues regarding pvp balance, removing something that has little value is the worst possible way to continue balancing the game.

Maybe have a drink of water or take a nap before coming onto these forums to propose changes that are solely fueled by your raging losses in-game. There really isn’t any other reason for you to do this.

lol thanks

//15charrrrrrrrrr

Damage is fine, if you fight any other class you will hit way higher than 1.2k.

What is holding back necro the most is revenant damage.

I purchased 122 boxes of revenant gear with my laurels and received only 2 exotic pieces.

Is this how it’s supposed to work lol?

RNG WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

//15charssss

I have a few characters that I played this weekend. I really can’t decide which will benefit my team the most.

So I have a guy named (WARRIOR?) Reinhart, (THIEF?) Widowmaker, and (ENGINEER?) Tornbjorn.

ANY ADVICE?????

Rules are dumb.

Typical kdaddy complaint thread

My apologies if this is about PvE

Thiefs main source of damage comes from the dagger, whereas we have reapershroud as well. It’s kind of a really stupid comparison that you are making. It would be ridiculous if we had multiple skills that all dealt massive amounts of damage. Executioners scythe and soul spiral, deaths charge and even the auto attacks do a good amount of damage while running a power reaper. When I run power reaper I have so many passive procs it makes applying pressure to a thief pretty easy.

No reaper is going to be spamming grave digger for the entire match.

When I spec fully into grave digger I usually get 7 or 8k grave diggers. 5 or 6k if it hits a tank amulet wearer. Usually 4 or sometimes 3k if I hit an ele with all his damage mitigation buffs up. But that’s how it should be.

/close thread

Anari.2137:

WvW Is PvP. The Difference between it and Instanced is the lack of control of population on each side. Other then that it’s basically the same.

IF you want to address WvW Problems (assuming pvp is balance) You really need to address the issues of Mechanics on the WvW itself, not really the classes.

It’s possible to tailor your idea to fit all three, but its very hard.

I think the point Hugh was making was try not to spam your idea’s and be a little more insightful and make them a little more thought out.

WvW and pvp are absolutely not the same at all.

In WvW you can have numbers ranging from 1 person to 50 man groups of people (zergs). Something is not overpowered for 1 person in pvp could definitely be overpowered when used by multiple people in WvW.

If they don’t split pvp and pve and wvw this game will continue to die as players move towards new games. At least the pvp side will die.

flow.6043:

Jelzouki.4128:

Holl.3109:

stability nerf (#3 in RS)

Nothing has changed…

Jelzouki.4128:

Holl.3109:

…makes it harder

You talk like rs3 is the only thing carrying power reaper.

Holl.3109:

Jelzouki.4128:

This is why I discredit all your videos and pretty much all info you put out.

… is it really worth discrediting everything that I make/say?

How dare you question the flawless logic of Jealous-ki?!

I guarantee I’ve made it further in high tier competitive pvp than you have. I don’t know what point you’re trying to make, unless you think that rs3 is carrying reaper as well, in that case I have no words.

Mercenary is 100% better than destroyers for a hybrid build. I don’t know why you are trying to do condi damage with the little amount of condi Stat you have. I wouldn’t even run this build in hot join, it’s not good at all.

Can’t believe you were the person who made that thread about necros being fine. This is proof that you have no idea what you are talking about.

jokesonme.4082:

Jelzouki.4128:

Holl.3109:

:P power reaper isn’t as good anymore in PvP…. stability nerf (#3 in RS) makes it way harder to play in CC spam PvP.

Power reaper is still my bae is WvW tho

Nothing has changed for power reaper in Pvp. You talk like rs3 is the only thing carrying power reaper. This is why I discredit all your videos and pretty much all info you put out.

Guys like this make the forum great. He specified that the power reaper wasn’t as good and then gave clear identification as to why. So your troll post has 0 value. If I told you my apple wasn’t as big because I took a bite would you yell at me that I still had an apple? You said nothing has changed for power reaper, technically rs3 changing is one thing lol. He didn’t say that was the only thing carrying it either, but did mention losing it has an effect. So in reply, in the infamous words of you “I discredit” your post :-)

Technically yes, one thing has changed. You got me. Such smart much wow. The point is, the nerf to rs3 wasn’t something that would kill the spec, and any competent necro main could make that observation.

Holl.3109:

:P power reaper isn’t as good anymore in PvP…. stability nerf (#3 in RS) makes it way harder to play in CC spam PvP.

Power reaper is still my bae is WvW tho

Nothing has changed for power reaper in Pvp. You talk like rs3 is the only thing carrying power reaper. This is why I discredit all your videos and pretty much all info you put out.

If you want to land dagger #5 it’s easier to land while casting backwards

Evan Lesh.3295:

ronpierce.2760:

Evan Lesh.3295:

What about Ranked do you want?
Is it standard models?
The type of matchmaking?
Is it the map selection? Now that the maps are updated, is this still an issue?
Do you want to climb the ladder until the the season resets?

The ladder and match making would be nice.

I feel like 24/7 ladder would create a lot of burnout. Plus there wouldn’t be time for big balance patches to settle before the season starts.

Regarding matchmaking, it seems that two camps are developing. What about ranked matchmaking do you prefer over unranked?

Definitely standard models, and matchmaking feels worse in unranked. Is it because divisions are redundant in unranked?

Spartacus.3192:

Nightshade.2570:

There are tons of unblockable skills un every class to single out necro’s is silly.

On a tangent. My old class guardian was supposed to have Low HP because it had access to healing and BLOCKS/AEGIS. Then ANET came along and added a truckload of unblockable stuff to every class. GG

ok back to original thread topic…..

You say that as if the amount of blocks that gaurdians have isn’t enough? ROFL.

Silverkey.2078:

Many of us have been asking for chill damage to be replaced to “applying a condi whenever applying chill”. Most of us suggested torment but well… This was actually the best way to balance it.

It has some downsides (one application of chill results in only 1 stack of bleed) and some upsides (multiple applications like RS 4 into ice field is a nice condi burst, 2 reapers can stack their bleeds, one more condi to cleanse, etc…). It is not anymore a one or nothing condi, it can stack now, and I believe that is a good thing.

Another thing to note is that in the grand scheme of things, I still hope that the insane HoT power creep continues to get reduced. This is definitely a step in the right direction. Even if this means reaper is temporarily a bit weaker than some others (condi mes, tempest and revenant for example), it just means that hopefully they are the ones who get nerfed next.

So despite being a reaper player, I do think very positively of this change.

It’s not a bit weaker, it’s A LOT weaker. You know the balance change was terrible when your specialization is border line weaker than your base class. Right now I’d say condi reaper is on par with condi necro.

Rap Tiger.1257:

Another reaper crying because a little nerf chill ….

Except it was a huge nerf.

Just another player ignorant of balance changes.

Furajir.3815:

All the same, if I have access to a block, I want to use it, if I’m chasing a reaper as a warrior, and he drops marks, I should be able to shield block, run through, drop zerker stance, and have a fighting chance, but no.

As it stands, I have to eat all the marks, then deal with everything the reaper is gonna hit me with as my stances fade.

It’s an uphill battle every kitten time. I’m super tired of it.

So I guess when you get magnet pulled by engineers that really screws you up too huh?

Novuake.2691:

What happens when you whirl finish an ice field? So Reaper shroud 5 then 4…
How often does an ice field normally tick?
How much chill application does necro have and how often can he proc chill?

With a slight build adjustment, necro can burst condis harder than ever before.

Are you serious right now?

You need to land 5 chill attacks on a target to even equate the damage of chill damage with bleed.

What absolute idiot is going to let me land 5 chill attacks? If you face tank reaper shroud 4 and 5 then you belong in amber division.

Sun Lian.4075:

Again.. try to work something out. I already did and I really don’t feel a dmg nerf.

Also, have you thought about having 2 necros in a group that now stack more bleed? Since chill didn’t stack, 2 necros now synergize conditions more.

Having two of something =/= balance

we were arguably just as much of a threat as a condi rev or a condi mes, now we are laughable.