Guild Wars 2

Spiders Spiders Spiders.8043:

> 2. You claim D/D and GC are noob builds

They are cheesy, gimmicky builds.

> What you fail to realize is its not. That is easy mode.

Done both. Three shotting someone with no skill required is easymode. The recent change to stealth, among other things, has mathematically made stealthy non burst builds even worse over time in comparison with gc ones, trait wise and in effective actions per minute.

Saying D/D GC is “pr0” doesn’t make you a good player. It IS easymode.

No what is pr0 is a player who can play a GC build and still perform to the same level that the “pr0” P/V/T players use.

I’ve fought countless Ele’s that use D/D. Only a few did i count to have any skill b/c they literally ran pure zerk gear. They performed just the same as the bunker/cheese builds….if those few players actually ran bunker…..omg is all i’ma say.

Adaneshade.2409:

Jinks.2057:

Adaneshade.2409:

Jinks.2057:

Adaneshade.2409:

Jinks.2057:

Adaneshade.2409:

S/D is easy? Compared to what? It has the highest skill cap of any kit we can wield.

S/D is the absolute EASIEST weapon set we have.

I enjoy reading your posts telling everyone how the “skillful” way to play a thief is, and I hope we can continue our discussion.

Truth be told though every time we have this discussion you end up disappearing….

Why would I allow myself to be sucked repeatedly into an argument with someone who has blinders on? What do you play that’s so kitten difficult?

Why so mad?

Who’s mad? No reason to waste emotion on trolls. Nice deflection though, makes it obvious you don’t want to admit to whatever no-brainer setup you run.

This is why I don’t engage in conversation with you.

You’re mad unfortunately. You evade any and all discussion where I pick apart your ideas.

1. You don’t post builds that you feel are “pr0”
2. You claim D/D and GC are noob builds
3. You claim you have to utilize all aspects of a thief (movement/stealth/durability)

Basically you’ve come to the conclusion that S/D+Tanky build = pr0

What you fail to realize is its not. That is easy mode.

You want pr0? Go throw on full zerk gear and take on 5 people at once….That’s what I consider “pr0”

I have posted multiple builds, in fact, complete guides to gameplay.

What contributions have you made to the community? (Wait let me answer that for you. NONE!)

Here are just a few of the numerous constructive posts of mine:
5 months ago
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Condition-Damage-is-bad/first#post459745

2 months ago
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Looking-for-a-survivable-tanky-WvW-build/first#post1177020

1 week ago
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Guide-to-Thief-Guides/first#post1713713

Your entire post history consists of trolling players who offer alternatives to your narrow-minded views on the thief class. While mine have for the most part been directed at promoting innovation in builds and gameplay.

Anyone can troll, it takes professionalism (pr0) to present new ideas to the community.

None of those builds are unique.

They are just as I said….builds for people with less skill. Equip zerk armor on that 10/30/30 build and perform to the same level as you did w/ full p/v/t gear.

The venom share build is a rehash of other people’s builds. Infact I ran a superior build for sPvP duels and was undefeated by every class I went up against. Venom share isn’t something new mate.

Unfortunately you believe builds that are designed for slower reflexes and group play equates to more skill….that is not the case.

Kardiamond.6952:

Soul Evil.2734:

Kardiamond.6952:

Archer.1658:

AR and BP are so boring.. i’ve been PvEing all week. I feel ashamed.

Then stop roaming in 10 man groups and make 2-3 player group like a man.

Seriously tho, Before getting into this match up, I was looking forward to fight BP again and the new Ebay.

I thought Ebay had a lot of roamers, including GF, Sekz, PK and more.

But sadly it was all lie!!!

Sekz are a zerg. Each time I had the pleasure to fight them, it was like 20 vs 3. So I never got to fight them in small skirmish. I fought an Elementalist in BP low land once from Sekz, but I was running my confusion build so he died, as confusion is OP in WvW.

I thought Sekz had some roaming team? Where are they?

PK is another zerg. I have yet to fight them in a small group. Just yesterday, they actually stopped, stacked then charged 20 of there player just to kill me and a warrior. I doubt you needed to stack for that, or maybe we were just at the bad place at the wrong time.

And finally GF, the only guild that looks like a roaming team. But they are more of a Zerg buster team. They are too many for our small group, yet they aren’t a zerg ether. We had some fun fight with them, but I have to bring more people to be on equal footing. We actually helped WAR fight you guys yesterday and it was awesome.

This week is so zergy since the patch. Good thing st least we can see them without culling.

Get your small group squad out!

Solo players and 2-3 man groups are for t8 – I heard you can transfer for free.

Why?

Are you affraid to fight without all your boon stack and combo field?

Are you affraid that you won’t be instant rezzed if you get downed?

Stay and hide behind your group, so you’ll never have to ask yourself : Am I really doing good?

I don’t mind zerg and all. But I usually have some enemy roaming guild to fight with, which I didn’t find yet except maybe GF.

I’ll let you go back to your WXP train. Kill some guard for me will you?

Well I said the same thing about your 3-5 man trying to zerg my solo kitten down.

You can’t kitten about being zerg’d when you do the same thing to lesser numbers.

rootnode.9546:

Read it again. It’s not that I have a problem surviving against thieves (so, I know how to dodge, evade, gain distance). But fighting back against stealth is way too cumbersome.

This right here shows us you’re pretty much the run to the forums and scream nerf kinda guy.

1. How as a mesmer are you complaining about stealth when you have stealth and a sea of clones? Is it not cumbersome for every other class in this game to deal with mesmers? Well hello Pot…

2. You claim you have zero problems in dealing w/ thieves…..if that is so why are you complaining? According to you…..you beat thieves on the regular. That to me means its balanced, or you’re pretty much lying. So which is it?

3. Leave the thief boards mate….you’re trolling and this will end up people reporting you every time you post here.

g’day

Adaneshade.2409:

Jinks.2057:

Adaneshade.2409:

Jinks.2057:

Adaneshade.2409:

S/D is easy? Compared to what? It has the highest skill cap of any kit we can wield.

S/D is the absolute EASIEST weapon set we have.

I enjoy reading your posts telling everyone how the “skillful” way to play a thief is, and I hope we can continue our discussion.

Truth be told though every time we have this discussion you end up disappearing….

Why would I allow myself to be sucked repeatedly into an argument with someone who has blinders on? What do you play that’s so kitten difficult?

Why so mad?

Who’s mad? No reason to waste emotion on trolls. Nice deflection though, makes it obvious you don’t want to admit to whatever no-brainer setup you run.

This is why I don’t engage in conversation with you.

You’re mad unfortunately. You evade any and all discussion where I pick apart your ideas.

1. You don’t post builds that you feel are “pr0”
2. You claim D/D and GC are noob builds
3. You claim you have to utilize all aspects of a thief (movement/stealth/durability)

Basically you’ve come to the conclusion that S/D+Tanky build = pr0

What you fail to realize is its not. That is easy mode.

You want pr0? Go throw on full zerk gear and take on 5 people at once….That’s what I consider “pr0”

They need to fix it so channeled abilities lose target since they gave us a 4 sec reveal debuff.

I’ve lost fights due to this bullkitten.

Adaneshade.2409:

Jinks.2057:

Adaneshade.2409:

S/D is easy? Compared to what? It has the highest skill cap of any kit we can wield.

S/D is the absolute EASIEST weapon set we have.

I enjoy reading your posts telling everyone how the “skillful” way to play a thief is, and I hope we can continue our discussion.

Truth be told though every time we have this discussion you end up disappearing….

Why would I allow myself to be sucked repeatedly into an argument with someone who has blinders on? What do you play that’s so kitten difficult?

Why so mad?

Adaneshade.2409:

S/D is easy? Compared to what? It has the highest skill cap of any kit we can wield.

S/D is the absolute EASIEST weapon set we have.

I enjoy reading your posts telling everyone how the “skillful” way to play a thief is, and I hope we can continue our discussion.

Truth be told though every time we have this discussion you end up disappearing….

Niim.9260:

The issue we found in lower tiers is that the WvW population is too low. Sure the zergs are smaller, but there are portions in the day where you spend more time looking for a fight, then fighting.

Even T3 was getting weak at parts of the day, was still good during prime time, but late afternoon was far to slow.

Most teams are going to be on during prime time.

Also last time I saw AoN y’all ran 20+

Sergo.2867:

Murderin.8269:

I transferred (to T2) from T1 and the zergs are nearly as large. Especially Kaineng during certain times of the day.

This is true. I love my Coast and we have great competition in T2, but it’s not the best place for a 5-person team to find other small teams to fight.

During the week, a small team can get things done (cap camps, etc.), but when there’s enemy contact, it’s usually. Not… a 5-person team.

What you really need is 10-15 man teams at those levels of population

FYI bakuon

WvW roamers could give 2 kittens about the score or about a yak.

To the OP. I play on Ebay and the servers who represent what you are looking for are ebay dr from my experience.

Mag used to be that type of server but a lot have xferred off due to the zerg.

Dovgan.8605:

No joke at all, just hide from Borlis until they log out for the night amiright? It’s ok though, outmanned is making up for the lopsided battles over on AR.

I’m guessing you don’t understand how EBay works yet.

Pavel.8531:

Jinks.2057:

Question

How does it suck for pve yet not suck for wvw?

Do you switch your build for pve?

S/D (or D/D) PvE builds with SA in them rely on [cnd(which applies blind/regen/+initiative if traited)>tactical/backstab>1 auto attack chain>cnd>…] rotation. In WvW, unless people are kitten and stay in 1 place while you keep on blinding and slicing them, landing a cnd exactly after the chain is finished isn’t always possible.
The extra 1 second makes the pve rotation either take 2 full auto attack chains, lowering the survivability and damage, or 1 full auto attack chain and 2 hits… lowering again the survivability and damage. Our support too, if you regard aoe blinds as party support.

I know this but you say the extra second doesn’t affect PvP b/c people dodge….that makes literally NO sense.

There is ALWAYS someone or something to CnD for stealth in PvP

WyldKat.4712:

Jinks.2057:

What point?

Thread titles are ususally informative.

He’s trying to prove a point that every thief already knows. We all agree Anet shoulda removed culling and re-eval’d situation in a month or so.

cufta.7309:

iNtEnTiOnS.9562:

fail thread, will bill said it was all before stealth nerf not after

Ok.My bad i tought its after nerf cause he posted today.Anyway watch his hp how it gets rly low in some parts like in the begining of the video and other parts like 11:01 where he does not stealth stright away and there you go.It still proves the point

What point?

Question

How does it suck for pve yet not suck for wvw?

Do you switch your build for pve?

See Dolan you like to stereotype.

I play a thief. I fight whoever I see render on my screen. I do not run away from fights unless im seriously out numbered….and even then I try to kill before running. In a 1v1 I’ll give the other person a stomp before I run.

Now what build do I run?

I see the next nerf ppl want for thieves is their burst.

GC thieves weren’t touched.

Thieves that stayed to fight were.

Simerja.4813:

i really think you all dont read posts, outa here .. as last time, try to combinate your gameplay with #3 from bow, #4 from bow, use combofields, use gamemechanics…

but i am sure you will again write about your 2,2,2 interpretation of all this discussions here, outa here, farming stupid BS thiefs…

The fact you think SB is the superior choice because of combo fields pretty much tells ne what I need to know about you.

SB is great in a group build. Infact its prolly the only weapon you’ll run in fights greater than small numbers. The ability to spam blast finishers is absolutely insane for WvW.

That being said if you’re running some lame dodge build with SB being your main….you are thief’n correctly. Remember all SB burst/DPS has been nerfed in sPvP.

Simerja.4813:

i guess not, but it tells me the way you think a thief is beeing played

Well maybe you need to realize that 2-2-2-2-2-2 while using D/D isn’t always the way its being played.

2 can play at this game, and I’ll beat you every time

Simerja.4813:

learn to play with your thief, thief still is strong as hell in pve / spvp / wvw, i play thief since beta and nearly without cloak

try to use best wpn ingame (shortbow) instead of just 2-2-2-2 from your double carrots…

Wow….

Uhh that’s what you do with Shortbow 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2

That’s 5-6 secs of visibility….unacceptable

Aervius.2016:

Jinks.2057:

So basically you have a super secret solo build that you aint sharing

You post how you’re not affected……yet post a glass BS build to show this.

Ok.

Maybe next time when ebay v mag we’ll see your secret build….god I hope your not one of those PPers

Of course I post a noob-cannon build because it’s proving a point. The changes the that they are implementing to the Thief are pigeon-holing the viability of players who want more from the class than god mode every 45s. They first mention in the SoTG that they want to make changes to Stealth, and the in-combat access players have to it – and then in a complete cop-out they buff the duration of Revealed by 1s?
To add insult to injury, the Thief community is aflame with anger over the ‘25% DPS NERFZ’.
Had they addressed the currently gimmicky nature of Stealth, they would have then been forced to add real depth to the Thief as a class.

But hey, they apparently like Stealth the way it is, and they apparently want the Thief to have access to one of the lowest skill-cap burst rotations in the game. However, that’s Anet’s call and so be it. There’s a lot of potential to make a complete and enjoyable class with scaling levels of proficiency based on individual player skill with the mechanic of initiative management. Unfortunately, making it a DPS heavy spammer with horribly predictable combat patterns is just easier to balance and design.

An Ebay calling a Mag a zergling?
Really? Lol?

So everything you’ve posted up until this point has been in rebellion to this patch…..

Wow I dunno what to say to that except I dont believe it.

O and yes Mag is a zerg server now to say otherwise is denial.

rootnode.9546:

Reburst quicker? Not really. And a mesmer with a really high burst also sacrifices a LOT of survivability and makes an easy kill. There’s no easy escaping for him.
Yes, thieves rely on burst, but it was a bit too high to begin with imho.

Again with misinformation. Stop lying please.

We all know all about mesmers “sacrafice” in survivability for going glass…..you’re just trolling. Quite badly too

So basically you have a super secret solo build that you aint sharing

You post how you’re not affected……yet post a glass BS build to show this.

Ok.

Maybe next time when ebay v mag we’ll see your secret build….god I hope your not one of those PPers

Aervius.2016:

Jinks.2057:

Aervius.2016:

Jinks.2057:

Aervius.2016:

Dasorine.1964:

basically just a group fight survivability nerf in pvp, in pve its across the board nerf to any build that attempted to utilize it for something.

Okay, so we can’t 1v10 as easily anymore.
You’re delusional if you think that was balanced, as is.

We could never 1v10 easily. You would know that if you ran without the zerg.

So which weapons you run with?

What is your obsession with zerging and why are you so convinced I run with one?

And yes, we could 1vX (as 10 was a purposeful exaggeration, 5-6 was pretty easy) easily. However, you’d know that if you weren’t zerging.

1v5 is very consistent with 4/5 of those players being really bad.

So please answer my question….what weapons?

I favor DD + SB for solo roaming, using DP + SD when running with the 5 man.

So you run a 25/30/0/0/15 build. You smash a person and let your team finish for you?

You use SB to run and fight on the fringe….this is viable tactic in zerg surfing and is how beginner thieves learn to play. You did not take on multiples with this build…well competent multiples.

What’s even funnier is your group build is even more fail. The SB you so extol over isnt present. You opt to go with the absolute best weapon set up for solo roamers (pre patch). Where is you’re spamming blast finisher to stack might/heals? Where is your poison field to reduce healing?

I post at you because ive fought mag on many different occasions and ill leave it at that.

Thus thier burst is better since they can force the CDs and reburst much quicker.

Never said it was faster said better….o and they hit how many targets with shatter?

Aervius.2016:

Jinks.2057:

Aervius.2016:

Dasorine.1964:

basically just a group fight survivability nerf in pvp, in pve its across the board nerf to any build that attempted to utilize it for something.

Okay, so we can’t 1v10 as easily anymore.
You’re delusional if you think that was balanced, as is.

We could never 1v10 easily. You would know that if you ran without the zerg.

So which weapons you run with?

What is your obsession with zerging and why are you so convinced I run with one?

And yes, we could 1vX (as 10 was a purposeful exaggeration, 5-6 was pretty easy) easily. However, you’d know that if you weren’t zerging.

1v5 is very consistent with 4/5 of those players being really bad.

So please answer my question….what weapons?

iNaddict.8021:

rootnode.9546:

iNaddict.8021:

rootnode.9546:

Jinks.2057:

rootnode.9546:

Jinks.2057:

rootnode.9546:

Thing is: Berzerker Thieves finally pay up a little in terms of survivability. And please don’t cry about the health pool. You have a medium health pool, but still medium armor.
I think the patch was not only warranted, but also necessary!
And caltrops from 15s down to 10s? Why on earth would you need them on the ground for more than 10s?

You’ve been posting a lot of gloating posts since this update. Now you are also posting misinformation.

How about you stop it and realize the next class up for castration will be the mesmer.

And we ALL know just how ezmode mesmers really are.

Sorry, I somehow remembered medium health pool, my bad.
Yes, Mesmers have received various nerfs with almost every patch. But I adjusted to it.
Mesmer Ezmode? Right… cause we do all the burst damage…

If they are going to nerf shatter builds, I’ll run a condition build. If that is nerfed, I’ll go for glamour. So what? If the class gets totally unplayable, I’ll play another class until they fix it. But don’t tell me that thieves are oh so totally unplayable now in PvE. Just adjust to a new build, or… L2P how many like to answer to people complaining about thieves being OP.

Mesmers have not had nearly the amount of nerfs that thieves have had.

Mesmers are also face roll easy…..more so than thieves.

So please leave thief boards.

Name a prior nerf that hit thieves harder than mesmers.

Assassin signet change

Oh, a loss of burst…wow…

One of the thief’s strengths is burst, so it is a big deal for thieves.. it now sound like you are grasping for something to keep your argument up in the air.

Yet mesmer burst >>>>>> thief burst

And

Its on a significantly shorter CD.

Aervius.2016:

Dasorine.1964:

basically just a group fight survivability nerf in pvp, in pve its across the board nerf to any build that attempted to utilize it for something.

Okay, so we can’t 1v10 as easily anymore.
You’re delusional if you think that was balanced, as is.

We could never 1v10 easily. You would know that if you ran without the zerg.

So which weapons you run with?

rootnode.9546:

iNaddict.8021:

rootnode.9546:

Jinks.2057:

rootnode.9546:

Jinks.2057:

rootnode.9546:

Thing is: Berzerker Thieves finally pay up a little in terms of survivability. And please don’t cry about the health pool. You have a medium health pool, but still medium armor.
I think the patch was not only warranted, but also necessary!
And caltrops from 15s down to 10s? Why on earth would you need them on the ground for more than 10s?

You’ve been posting a lot of gloating posts since this update. Now you are also posting misinformation.

How about you stop it and realize the next class up for castration will be the mesmer.

And we ALL know just how ezmode mesmers really are.

Sorry, I somehow remembered medium health pool, my bad.
Yes, Mesmers have received various nerfs with almost every patch. But I adjusted to it.
Mesmer Ezmode? Right… cause we do all the burst damage…

If they are going to nerf shatter builds, I’ll run a condition build. If that is nerfed, I’ll go for glamour. So what? If the class gets totally unplayable, I’ll play another class until they fix it. But don’t tell me that thieves are oh so totally unplayable now in PvE. Just adjust to a new build, or… L2P how many like to answer to people complaining about thieves being OP.

Mesmers have not had nearly the amount of nerfs that thieves have had.

Mesmers are also face roll easy…..more so than thieves.

So please leave thief boards.

Name a prior nerf that hit thieves harder than mesmers.

Assassin signet change

Oh, a loss of burst…wow…

You asked and now its not good enough?

iNaddict.8021:

rootnode.9546:

Jinks.2057:

rootnode.9546:

Jinks.2057:

rootnode.9546:

Thing is: Berzerker Thieves finally pay up a little in terms of survivability. And please don’t cry about the health pool. You have a medium health pool, but still medium armor.
I think the patch was not only warranted, but also necessary!
And caltrops from 15s down to 10s? Why on earth would you need them on the ground for more than 10s?

You’ve been posting a lot of gloating posts since this update. Now you are also posting misinformation.

How about you stop it and realize the next class up for castration will be the mesmer.

And we ALL know just how ezmode mesmers really are.

Sorry, I somehow remembered medium health pool, my bad.
Yes, Mesmers have received various nerfs with almost every patch. But I adjusted to it.
Mesmer Ezmode? Right… cause we do all the burst damage…

If they are going to nerf shatter builds, I’ll run a condition build. If that is nerfed, I’ll go for glamour. So what? If the class gets totally unplayable, I’ll play another class until they fix it. But don’t tell me that thieves are oh so totally unplayable now in PvE. Just adjust to a new build, or… L2P how many like to answer to people complaining about thieves being OP.

Mesmers have not had nearly the amount of nerfs that thieves have had.

Mesmers are also face roll easy…..more so than thieves.

So please leave thief boards.

Name a prior nerf that hit thieves harder than mesmers.

Assassin signet change

Dancing dagger change

HS change

O lord what else can we list?

iNaddict.8021:

Rizzy.8293:

nope, not much changed just a drop in DPS for a DPS class that is out DPSed by other classes.

i dont think so.. SB is pretty awesome in a aoe situation and D/D still very very good for the time it takes to kill a mob.

SB is only good with shotgun clusters and hasted trickshots.

1 of those sucked a nerf down this patch

Aervius.2016:

Like the title says, how many of you are actually crying because of the Revealed change? Really?

Didn’t change much, imo.

Thieves sitting ikitten0 man zerg do not feel this nerf.

rootnode.9546:

Jinks.2057:

rootnode.9546:

Thing is: Berzerker Thieves finally pay up a little in terms of survivability. And please don’t cry about the health pool. You have a medium health pool, but still medium armor.
I think the patch was not only warranted, but also necessary!
And caltrops from 15s down to 10s? Why on earth would you need them on the ground for more than 10s?

You’ve been posting a lot of gloating posts since this update. Now you are also posting misinformation.

How about you stop it and realize the next class up for castration will be the mesmer.

And we ALL know just how ezmode mesmers really are.

Sorry, I somehow remembered medium health pool, my bad.
Yes, Mesmers have received various nerfs with almost every patch. But I adjusted to it.
Mesmer Ezmode? Right… cause we do all the burst damage…

If they are going to nerf shatter builds, I’ll run a condition build. If that is nerfed, I’ll go for glamour. So what? If the class gets totally unplayable, I’ll play another class until they fix it. But don’t tell me that thieves are oh so totally unplayable now in PvE. Just adjust to a new build, or… L2P how many like to answer to people complaining about thieves being OP.

Mesmers have not had nearly the amount of nerfs that thieves have had.

Mesmers are also face roll easy…..more so than thieves.

So please leave thief boards.

rootnode.9546:

Thing is: Berzerker Thieves finally pay up a little in terms of survivability. And please don’t cry about the health pool. You have a medium health pool, but still medium armor.
I think the patch was not only warranted, but also necessary!
And caltrops from 15s down to 10s? Why on earth would you need them on the ground for more than 10s?

You’ve been posting a lot of gloating posts since this update. Now you are also posting misinformation.

How about you stop it and realize the next class up for castration will be the mesmer.

And we ALL know just how ezmode mesmers really are.

I was running with GF last night and can confirm it was pure zerg busting going on.

That being said even when doing this you will run into your own zerg at times. Also remember that we here on ebay work together…..so if a group of pk/gh/ftf need some back up they’ll get it

Adaneshade.2409:

miniL.7361:

Sifu.6527:

Mixchimmer.7230:

Adaneshade.2409:

Come on guys…. just nut up and learn to use it, we needed this nerf.

You have my support on this one — from a PvP perspective only.

Just try to understand that the reason thieves are upset at this has nothing to do with PvP (or at least for me). It has to do all with PvE.

To give you an example, our typical dagger DPS in dungeons consists of spamming of the following:

Cloak and Dagger —> Backstab -- > Autoattack — > Repeat after revealed wears off.

You have my support in that it was needed for the purpose of PvP — but it is a very significant hit to PvE DPS — and this is why many people, including myself, are a bit peeved.

If you’re hitting the target dummies in Lion Arch, I would agree with you. Seriously, we don’t stand in one place indefinitely and spam that combo…

Wait what….? We don’t…? DANG IT! Im doing it wrong all over again!

I think thiefs should at least give it a week, but without culling in WvW im SCARED!

Been in WvW the past couple of hours. I’ve noticed ZERO impact on my gameplay.

I’ve had the opposite experience honestly.

It wasn’t until I ran with a guild group and used SB almost exclusively that I found it didn’t impact my play…..

Hrm the Ninja of Bay was absolutely hilarious….I ran outta bag room 1/2 way into picking up my lewt.

Either way it was a good time….and mid week queue’s from WvW patch is a good thing.

Yes its broke now after patch. Best way to test for yourself is in the front of mobs.

nahj.2870:

It’s very disappointing. Like you said, the available skins are the low-level, generic item skins that we could have gotten already by spending a negligible amount of money. On top of that, it seems like we don’t even get access to all of the generic skins. I’m unable to get back into WvW at the moment, but while browsing for medium armor I remember seeing the Warden set, the Duelist set, and one other. I wasn’t expecting cultural armor, nor was I expecting for them to create a bunch of new skins just for us WvW players, but I was definitely hoping that we’d be given more than this. Right now, I’m just guessing that we unlock more skins as we rank up.

WvW players out number all other aspects of this game. Only PvE has a chance to beat out WvW players. Remember tho most PvE’ers WvW, but there are tons of WvWers who don’t PvE.

Pretty fail patch IMHO.

They took an extra month to implement WvW ranks but with really horrible limited abilities

They took an extra month to copy/paste stats to WvW armor skins

They took an extra month to honestly stuff more PvE stuff into this game

Ascended gear should be available via badges. There is no arguing this and for Anet to not deliver is a slap in the face

Lot’s on non thieves who have no clue on how thieves works in this thread/on this class forum.

You can keep this nerf, but you better up stealth times to 4 and 5 seconds respectively. Being revealed longer than base stealth is absolute kitten move on Anet’s part.

Welp its not really an elite anymore is it???

IMO keep it like it is but reduce the CD on BV, SS, and Steal to 15 seconds.

Anet jumped the gun and catered to the crying.

Its a sad day, but at least I know now that if I cry loud enough and hard enough on these forums I can get classes nerfed.

Either way this change borks PvE thieves hard, and it hits thieves who want to run melee in group fights.

Shoulda just removed culling and re-evaluated.

destoyer of lives.7963:

To the Borlis Pass members of the guild [BURN]. I was the lone mesmer at Greenlake about 10 minutes ago….In fact the only one at greenlake tower for that matter. Anyway I wanted to thank you for the bowing and saluting after you steamrolled through me lol. That was real class, I was expecting jumping and laughing, but I do appreciate the respect you all showed me.

I dont get that treatment…tho I uasually kill a bunch and lead them on a merry chase for a 1/2hr

swinsk.6410:

Jinks.2057:

Im sorry but sPvP takes less skill.

While I agree with just about everything else in your posts I don’t really agree with this one.

I define skill as your ability to play your class. It matters how well a person play his or her class.

You can zerg in wvw or in spvp. You also “solo” in both.

I like that everyone is equally geared in spvp. I don’t like fighting some under leveled noob in wvw that dies to just one cnd. I think the differences between an 80 using exotics and non-80 is huge. It requires a lot less skill to kill those players than some random noob who just bought the game 15m ago and tried spvp. At least that guy has decent gear on and he’s a bit tougher to kill.

Fighting noobs isn’t something I base my statements on. It never will be.

Epic Beast.5189:

Jinks.2057:

Epic Beast.5189:

Jinks.2057:

Adaneshade.2409:

Jinks.2057:

You haven’t answered the question….

Also what do call spamming stealth? CnD every 3 seconds after your sneak attack or CnD chaining?

Im sorry but you’re still a lil unclear with your posts

I’m referring to use of stealth as your ONLY defensive technique. Obvioulsy chaining C&D would be the absolute worst offender of that. But making a build that requires you to re-enter stealth every 3 seconds on the dot isn’t much better. Why not make a build that has some other defensive measures? Shadowstepping, access to tons of evasion abilities. People who only use stealth are only playing half the class. It shows very linear thinking and a lack of really understanding the class.

As I said before, stealth is a great tool. I use it, it’s the people who don’t even use anything else that fall short of the mark for truly high end PvP.

Ok so basically you consider evade builds to take more skill than stealth builds…..or a combination of the two to fully play the class at a certain level.

It also seems you have certain builds in mind for “skilled” thief play. For some reason you won’t tell me what they are, nor link them….I don’t understand why you would do this so I’ma throw a few things out there:

1. S/X takes LESS skill than D/D to succeed at a high level
2. Running GC requires MORE skill than running non GC
3. D/P is the true stealth problem not X/D
4. sPvP takes LESS skill than solo roaming WvW

These may be the main points we will disagree about, and since you were kinda beating around the bush i just threw em out. We can debate these or you can come up with what you truly think is a “skilled” build, but I believe I pegged that one down.

You believe a non GC build utilizing shadow steps more so than stealth to achieve victory is the best way to go. The weapon sets you feel take the most skill are S/D or S/P….and I hope to the good lord you don’t think D/P requires special amounts of skill either.

I honestly don’t agree with you.

4. sPvP takes LESS skill than solo roaming WvW….. Not sure if ure serious… Can u explain this point?

In sPvP

Is there less build diversity
Is there a damage cap
Is the game set ib a very controlled environment
Is there a chance to face 10-1 odds

Im sorry but sPvP takes less skill.

and ure that gud in wvw m8? go prove yourself in the mists… maybe ure the next top thief and we dont know… im sorry… but we have diferent opinions

How does one take on 10 ppl in the mists?

Had some fun roaming in AR BL tonight. Fought a lot of AR guys SoS, WAR, ALT or AL or w/e they are, and some other random guilds.

Finally died