Guild Wars 2

Anxiety.6143:

Jinks.2057:

Kiliaan.1934:

Some good footage from highlights from last night of [GF] running around, thanks Amins for putting this together, and also for editing out some of the epic wipes we had too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AN3IeUTV4Q

You neever realize how many you fight till after watching the footage.

Straight up phenomenal. Give credit where credit is due, and there it is. Awesome fellas.

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I wouldn’t go either AR or BP TBH.

After fighting them for awhile I don’t think they are what you are looking for.

Also consider t4 as well. You generally won’t get queue times during the week.

Kiliaan.1934:

Some good footage from highlights from last night of [GF] running around, thanks Amins for putting this together, and also for editing out some of the epic wipes we had too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AN3IeUTV4Q

You neever realize how many you fight till after watching the footage.

KStudios.2850:

Jinks.2057:

Is EDGE still hunting Ebayers and killing us 1 by 1?

I feel bad for some of the members after that statement

Ours, or theirs?

Been a bit since I saw [EDGE] actually.

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/Notsoserious/gw008_zpsf43bbda9.jpg

Theirs……they just don’t stand a chance against non uplvls/even numbers its seems

:(

Was hoping i’d get one heck of a fight too.

Is EDGE still hunting Ebayers and killing us 1 by 1?

I feel bad for some of the members after that statement

Ya thieves are hated.

Don’t care honestly because I’d do the same thing on another class

Ebay here and its what we are known for.

Currently 5 atm

Been s/d for a while now.

AR/BP frequently do not leave guard protected zones even when they have 3-1 odds.

I’ve been solo roaming this tier since we 1st got here and after DR left its been horrible most of the time.

Don’t get me wrong you still get great fights that are challenging…u just have to add 2 or more opponents

I don’t understand why he felt the need to make a statement.

Your guild can do whatever they want….don’t have to explain.

Just as the rest of the people can think whst they want about WM.

I could care less why you left kain and I really don’t know why still. I believe you couldn’t break the tier 2 barrier on ur own but thats my personal opinion

I sense a lot of tension and anger in this thread

I kill guardians all the time.

Furajir.3815:

No idea man honestly at this point i dont really care, I’m a little turned off by the sheer numbers BP/ EBay has, it has become disgustingly zergy.

And you want to xfer to Jade Queuery??!!!

Told you to xfer ebay ill hook you up

Furajir.3815:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Whoever that AR ranger is wiping me and two others out near the northeast part of EB’s borderlands…you make me so proud. T_T

Yeah, pretty nice ranger build you’ve got there AR dude. /squintyeyes

Fun fights, thanks for the time!

Faux, that picture of Leo Dicaprio in Inception comes to mind.

http://watchplayread.com/files/2010/12/squinty-leo.jpg

O lord elmoe is killing ppl….looks like ill have find you in this game too..

Either way you joining up with puandro and them? Ebay still better FYI

I was in on a few of them keep flips.

Problem is that when ebay does this its while yall have zergs on. BP caps when no one is on.

Either way I could care less cept the 300 wxp is pretty nice

Deamhan.9538:

Sarrow.2785:

IMO the haters are the ones who don’t have a firm grasp of the class mechanics. More experienced players who know how to counter thieves just don’t seem to carry the same hate. The fact you were in sPVP and on a brand new character, supports this.

So please explain the counter for this…

Two thieves vs 20+

The only times when they are visible are;

When they have the ability to evade,
When they are out of range, and
When they are behind someone bursting them down.

While they did take damage, they didn’t take enough damage to die before that stealth debuff wears off and poof. They’re gone. When they become visible again, they have most (or all) of their health back, most (or all) of any conditions are gone.

Two against 20 and it was basicaly a stalemate. They were able to down players, but couldn’t finish any of us off. Too many people reviving.

No amount of skill can stand up to the sheer numbers we had. It is a crutch mechanic pure and simple.

I’ve done this solo, and quite frankly it isn’t a crutch/OP thing.

This is simply not one of those 20 ppl using CC. In a 1v1 fight a good mesmer/ele/warrior/guard/engi/necro will abuse thieves with CC. How can someone beat that same thief 1v1 if 20 players can not? If those thieves were so OP to be able to take on 20 players…..a single player should stand absolutely NO chance right?

Problem is skill level. Those thieves completely and utterly outplayed every single 1 of you. Solo you yourself had zero chance of beating even one of those thieves, because you yourself were not as good as them.

Not trying to flame you, but I’m only here helping you understand what happened. Roll a thief and try to do what those thieves did. After dying horribly a few times you’ll understand what i mean.

p.s. Most new thieves nowadays tend to find a mentor type thief to help them learn to play the class. I personally on many occasions have taught thieves on a opposing servers how to play after dumping them repeatedly. Those are the players who understand what I’m saying and eventually become 1 of those 2 thieves you had problems with.

Brassnautilus.2941:

Katsumoto.9452:

1) With traits it is also a 4 second stealth, with regen health in stealth it adds an extra 1200 HP to that heal roughly. Making the total around 7700.
2) It will give you 2 initiative if traited.
3) It removes all bleeding, poison and burning, and again if traited removes yet another condition.
4) It allows you to be on the offence instantly after heal. Heal, you’re now at full and with a stealth ability to use. Be it backstab, tactical strike or whatever, that is powerful.
5) If you’re chasing and need a heal, withdraw doesn’t help you.
6) And of course, it’s a target break.

Both are good heals, but to say HiS is outright bad is sheer idiocy and a sign that you know far less than you believe yourself knowing.

1-4 and 6 come down to 1s more stealth, on top of all the other stealth you could get without waiting for cd.
5. turn around, give you a closer instead of a distancer

then let me add three
when skill lagged, chance to cast withdraw is much higher than HiS since it was instant
HiS can be interrupted, and players with interrupt abilities usually look for rising of hands.
casting HiS under revealed gives much less benefits, where withdraw would be unaffected

My personal opinion is your heal skill is personal preference.

That being said you coming here and bashing people for taking HiS because you feel it is noob is pretty kittened up.

One could just as well say wtf you need to heal every 15 seconds for? Learn to thief better since when I run HiS I usually don’t even NEED to hit the button every 30 seconds.

So how about a more friendly track mmkay?

LAD Infinitum.1675:

Nak.8315:

Shadow Refuge is easily countered with a Fear. The problem is not everyone knows that or is willing to slot a fear over other utility skills.

I wouldn’t call the stealth the worse designed, the fact its not perma stealth is a step up. I just wish any type of ability short of a heal should break stealth. Can’t you use Short-bow and use Infiltrators Arrow escape while in stealth?

You can, but this is something you probably won’t see used much. Infiltrator’s Arrow costs a whopping 6 initiative (half of an un-traited thief’s initiative pool) for a marginal amount of movement. It is far wiser in just about every situation to conserve that initiative for use on skills that maintain stealth up-time.

That, and IA will cause blind on any foes near the destination, giving away location.

Inf arrow removes you from stealth

ShadowStep initial tele removes you from stealth

Setting up returns on your SS’s to use after stealthing is a tactic thieves been using since the game came out.

Lotta mistakes on both players part.

Though p/d is pretty tough to win vs d/p….even s/d is a counter to p/d

I’ll prolly be back on tonight.

Dunno should I solo or run with my group…..decisions decisions decisions.

I was going to respond but Forzani pretty much destroyed the fella.

Ebay has more skill on a per player basis. I in no way say that AR/BP do not have skilled players….you just don’t have as many.

You add that fact along with the more organized WvW crowd…..it’s an uphill battle for ya’s

Thing about us Ebayers is we’ve shown ample times that 10 of us can wipe AR/BP zergs night in and night out.

To say ebay is only winning due to numbers is a lie. Ebay has some of the most skilled roamers in this game.

I must say as a glam mes I saw this coming MILES away.

This needed to happen….

Confusion is not dead though we still have the ability to stack more condi damage than in PvP. So the damage will still be stronger in WvW by a decent amount.

Rottaran Owain.6789:

Have fun being hit by double damage confusion, and what was it? 50% stronger retaliation?

Oh! and eles who flee to areas you can’t reach after you down them.

Technically speaking, the majority of classes are “stronger” in WvW.

I thought they were nerfing confusion/retaliation in WvW???

Coulda sworn i heard em say that

I’m ok with the changes.

WvW will get 3s reveal again, and boon stealing for all those boon stackers. I can see fighting those rangers will be TONS easier =P

Syktek.7912:

So yeah, who is dying and who is surviving? Some of us cannot log on and would love updates.

I’ve been solo’n out infront of BP’s spawn in ARBL.

These BPs REALLY want me dead it seems

I stopped reading after it became apparent the dev left.

Especially after he stated dying to glass thieves is a l2 kitten ue.

Haven’t logged in for awhile

Did sumtin happen?

Did AR/BP change???

I must say on my mesmer its confusion all the way.

Soooooooooo kittening easy its honestly lame.

I see a bunch of people defending an OP condition.

I like how yall defend it because it kills zergs….mmkay thats not OP.

Also love how spvp confusion is 50% less damage but yall thinkvthats too low

On my mesmer this just makes it ezmodez….10 sec CD is a fair starting place and adjust upwards to a max of 30 based on testing

Ross Biddle.2367:

Jinks.2057:

Crossplay.2067:

Jinks.2057:

Confusion needs to be neutered.

Sorry but it needs to happen for the health of this game.

You still got a lot of other builds so it’ll be fine

I say it needs to be buffed. People whom attack thoughtlessly and don’t bring condition clear skills should be punished for it. Plus anything that breaks up the zerg fest of WvW is a plus. I would love to see more strategy and less mob mentality.

The majority are calling for confusion nerf….Anet just showed they listening to WvW players who complain the loudest…..

Prepare for your nerf now fellas…specially since pve and wvw will be balanced separately

Actually the numbers look split 50/50 between those who’ve faced it and gained the experience necessary to counter it, and those who haven’t and haven’t. That said, a pve/wvw split can and should mean a 200% increase in confusion damage in PvE, while leaving WvW as is.

O and sPvP confusion damage is getting an increase???

No its not. Devs know the damage confusion does in WvW is too over the top for thier lil sPvP baby….they’ll nerf wvw to the same levels as spvp.

Start buying gear for another build now fellas

Crossplay.2067:

Jinks.2057:

Confusion needs to be neutered.

Sorry but it needs to happen for the health of this game.

You still got a lot of other builds so it’ll be fine

I say it needs to be buffed. People whom attack thoughtlessly and don’t bring condition clear skills should be punished for it. Plus anything that breaks up the zerg fest of WvW is a plus. I would love to see more strategy and less mob mentality.

The majority are calling for confusion nerf….Anet just showed they listening to WvW players who complain the loudest…..

Prepare for your nerf now fellas…specially since pve and wvw will be balanced separately

Auesis.7301:

Who is Xsorus?

/15char

He posted multiple nerf thief threads in wvw forum and here. Now he’s scrambling to save his mesmer.

Columbai is the other and plays a ranger…can’t wait

Nerf confusion its OP

Thieves got smacked w/ the nerf bat and the nerf this populace still isn’t happy!! OMG whodathunkit!!

Ah but another prediction is coming true!!!! Mesmers are currently being targetted and our good friend Xsorus is scrambling.

Welp let’s ride this one out b/c they may change the stealth nerf back for PvE, and we still may get that “mobility” buff.

Either way I’ma enjoy the drama for weeks to come……and partake

Nerf confusion please anet.

Make it the same as sPvP since its obviously an unbalanced condition.

Fraeg.9837:

Jinks.2057:

Ebay.

I am guessing that is a joke

As for servers with lots of roamers, the servers that come to my mind (having fought them) are Devona’s Rest and NSP.

Ah BP player…I can understand your sentiment.

Our roamers tend to help out our zergs when there is a collection of enemies being annoying to the good of our server.

Also ever since that night cap extravaganza y’all pulled to ruin things all those weeks ago we’ve made it our special mission to roflstomp any and all BP w/out any remorse.

That being said…..Ebay is well known for its roamers

Ebay.

shadowbrk.2438:

what class is op right now in wvwvw?

Mesmers needs to be beat with the nerf bat

Confusion needs to be neutered.

Sorry but it needs to happen for the health of this game.

You still got a lot of other builds so it’ll be fine

I find it humorous that many of the posters in this thread defending confusion arenthe first to create threads about nerfing other classes.

Anet needs to neuter confusion and the mesmer class…end of story.

So who is [CHAR]?

Just never seen em…..

Cactus.2710:

Ubi.4136:

There are a lot of things I would like to see changed. (*cough, 1 hit door contesting)
But, even though I thought I read that they couldn’t do it somewhere (I am getting old after all), I would like to see the maps expanded. Not so much as in new content (which would be nice), but super sized.

The server borderlands, for example, they could expand the distance between the objectives by 2x the distance it is now. And, for EB, I would say somewhere between 2x and 5x the distance. Other than seeing a 70 man zerg, nothing about the current play feels massive.

ANet has explicitly stated several times that their paleolithic game engine is not capable of handling maps any larger than the current ones. There is zero chance that we will ever see larger maps in WvW.

Thus the reasoning for my post.

Get a non kitten engine to support WvW.

Cottage Pie.6215:

Polismassa.6740:

Give WvW players one, maybe 2 new zones, and we will do more with those 2 zones than PvE players could do with an entire continent.

truth!

No the amount of zones is PERFECT.

1 for each server and 1 middle zone. Do NOT mess up that formula!

The only thing I would like to see is maybe making those zones LARGER. Reward groups/solo’rs for being able to upkeep 100% swiftness. Make it so its not always about numbers but mobility of your forces.

Then flesh out that WXP in creating less for being in a zerg. You’ll have to identify what you constitute as this games core group size is. Like in DAoC it was 8 man…..granted the most you could put in a single group was 8, but it worked for that game. In this game 5 man is a lil small and I’m leaning towards 10-15ish area.

Anet has the groundwork for a great lasting experience let’s see if they can put it together

ekleenex.1654:

Straegen.2938:

Strippling.3524:

[GF] is hands down the best guild for their size I’ve seen in any of the tiers I’ve been in. There are many skilled guilds, small and large, but [GF] has the most talent on an individual level as well as team co-ordination.

I haven’t gotten a real feel for GF yet. Sometimes they run in smaller groups and are dangerous. Other times I see some packed into zergs and hard to get a feel for their overall ability. I don’t think I have ever caught a GF solo. I will see if I can peel a few off from the pack this weekend and test the waters.

One of the better small groups (10 or less) I have run into was on DR. Cannot remember the name of the group but they have hammer/mesmer warfare down.

ADQQBsty, easily better then any guild group were currently facing.

I remember fighting these guys. It was one LONG fight…..

bandgeekdp.4651:

Agriope.4523:

Jinks.2057:

Why is it AR and BP refuse to leave towers until they outnumber at a minimum 5-1?

Are GF and Sekz really that intimidating?

You cray.

You have to forgive him all the mindless zerging must have rotted his brain.

ROFLMAO

Out of everyone on Ebay you can guarantee that Jinks is prolly rolling out solo.

Why is it AR and BP refuse to leave towers until they outnumber at a minimum 5-1?

Are GF and Sekz really that intimidating?

morrolan.9608:

Jinks.2057:

morrolan.9608:

Interesting that you call Camelot Unchained a money grab but not Shroud of the Avatar which IMHO is far more of a money grab from someone who could easily afford to fund development himself. And AFAIK Shroud of the Avatar won’t have RvR type PvP anyway.

No it should be purely open thus >>>>> WvW

Open world ala UO>>>>>> RvR>>>>>> Arena

That’s how it is mate

Open world PvP isn’t RvR.

Confusion and mesmers are the most OP WvW class and abilities

Nerf confusion to sPvP damage and then nerf the ability to stack it. After this we’ll look ibto gutting phantasms.

Engis will be next specifically hgh