IMO, they should have just reduced the distance and not touch the CD.
Though, one thing to note that as compared to skills like Rush, RTL is not affected by Cripple. That’s a huge advantage.
And your right about cripple but if we talk about advantages and disadvantages we have to factor the gambit. There are simply more mobility options on warrior and rangers and Skills like rush and swoop can be canceled out of if need be while RtL is technically a self stun. Also skills like Rush and Swoop are affected by movement effects like Swiftness and 25% movement speed signets. However RtL is not so it is a 2 way street.
your post would be a valid argument….except, Thieves have to use their initiative…so after they burn all their initiative to go those 3000 units……they are screwed about doing anything once they get there, they can’t even weapon swap to do more damage
an ele would have a plethora of options after using those 2 weapon skills + utility skill….stay in fire or lightning to do damage…then switch to water and earth to do some more damage
But you fail to mention that in the 20 seconds while everyone waits on CDs (save ranger) how much initiative would be recovered? Think about it. While it is true initiative is a crutch the replenish rate doesn’t leave you without it for very long. 1.33 seconds per point untraited not even factoring in steal and stealth.
Also technically when you got there if you switched to SB in the process which has the same catch up skills you could be doing DPS for the whole second half and the HS to them in the last stretch should do damage also. Since thief loses no mobility going over to Shortbow the math is the same 6 init for 900 range. Its the only class that has that much mobility on a ranged set and isn’t locked into melee to get it.
Sorry my post is valid.
To sum this up the recharge rate on initiative isn’t slow enough to use it as a valid reason for the nerf and thief is the only set that can do that much mobility not only not being locked into melee but also having a ranged weapon with the same mobility as a melee set.
See shortbow’s Infiltrator Arrow for more info.
what i’m saying is….an Elementalist has a plethora of combos with weapon skills it can still pull off AFTER using its mobility skills to catch up
a thief has to blow all their initiative…..and sometimes this could be even before a fight begins….blowing all ur inititive at the beginning of a fight is not what you want to do as a thief….you want to go in with full initiative….if you get into a situation where you have a thief using initiative to catch up to you rather than damage you…you’ve already won that fight
yes you eles have to wait 20s for mobility cd’s to come back up…but thieves have to wait for mobility AND damage, just not as long….i’d say your high cd’s for mobility is a fair trade for still being able to put out quite a bit of damage afterwards…otherwise you guys would be OP
so with your and my thoughts on the IDEAL situation for a thief….would be to have enough initiative to use CnD upon reaching its target, to go into stealth and regen a bit of that initiative back up…that is 6 initiative, taken away from the base 12….so you have 6 initiative for mobility uses…that is roughly 2 heartseekers + shadowstep…by the time regen kicks in you get another heartseeker….
so 3 heartseekers (450×3) + shadowstep (900) = 2250 units + able to cast CnD
in the situations your describing….
if a thief and ele are one on one and they both blow all their mobility skills like your listing…..an ele will still have tons of combos to pull off on the thief, while the thief will sit there trying to auto attack….who do you think is going to win?
EDIT: you even said it best in the other thread: “Only sloppy thief blows their entire bar with nothing left and no stealth.”….yet in this math to make your argument, you have them blowing all their initiative
