Guild Wars 2

Thesilentflute.8761:

Lol I am ranked like 410 in overall wins now I am not going to get into a kitten match with you guys but I have prolly won more matches than you have played. Instead of QQing on the forums maybe you should figure out what you have been doing wrong and fix it.

http://www.gwshack.info/?region=na
http://www.gwshack.info/?region=eu

????

It’s not good to lie about stats that are easily visible to the public

Johnathan Sharp already looked down from the heavens to answer this burning question when Warrior frustration hit boiling point soon after the patch

The mods even force set the reply as the “answer” to a thread that wasn’t even a Q&A thread.

Needless to say most warriors have probably already quit or rerolled now

As if we had trouble believing they have no idea what they’re doing

MaXi.3642:

you think that stun break on 25sec CD which removes condition from you and all alies in range is bad? i must be living in another space then you…

difference is that all eles stun breaks are considered cantrips so if you boost cantrips, you take them all and cant take something else (i dont say that other utilities are as good as cantrips, maybe even poor or useless), warrior have 1 stunbreak in more categories, so he obviously cant get 3 stunbreaks with synergy like ele, but he can make synergy from something else, e.g. make a build which have more then just defensive utilities, thats what ele cant…

PS: ele 10k base hp, warr 18k base hp… just an information…

Great grasping at straws and replying to less and less of my posts because you can’t refute the points

I never said SIO was bad
The fact that ele has so much synergy is what makes them OP, I can’t believe I have to actually state this to you since you seem to think it’s a negative. Let’s draw a parallel to warrior, whose 3x shout build can cleanse conditions and minor heal.
>1 Stunbreak
>No mobility
>No “get out of jail free” card
>No access whatsoever to protection/regen/vigor/invulnerability/stability/teleportation

PS: Everyone knows that eles have the lowest HP. Everyone who actually has Knowledge knows that this doesn’t matter at all. Next you’re going to try pointing out armour difference like that also mattered!

MaXi.3642:

well, my fault, i combined two builds and did some mistakes, i was trying to make condi build at first and then changed it to power build and forgot to change some traits

anyway, half of what you say is irelevant or not true

condi cures as an example…
2x 16sec CD skills on warhorn removes condi
heal on 25sec CD removes 2 condi
utility on 25sec CD removes 1 condi (from alies too)
if you change shout heals to Shrug It Off you get another 20sec CD condi cure and makes boon

ele got…
water skill 40sec CD removes 1 condi
if 30 water trait and another 10 water trait then utilities 90/50/45 CD (-20% if another trait) removes 1/4/1
if 10 arcane trait then water swap 1 condi cure (with weird CD)

if i try to compare it, ele can remove +- 7 or 8 conditions in 40sec, warrior can remove +- 10 conditions in 50sec, seems comparable to me

Congrats, once again you have listed at me almost every way warrior has to remove conditions while ele has a large portion of condition cleansing built into it’s mechanics, and passively traited rather than actively with healing and utility skills. What are on your utility bars compared to your example warrior’s? fury+might, remove 1 condition + stunbreak, Take 0 damage from direct attacks for 5s…. vs complete Invulnerability for 3s, Teleportation, Stability+Protection for 6s. All of which stunbreak, all of which grant regeneration and vigor.

And what happened to your great sustain in your warrior build? You still had the half-hearted pathetic excuse for “sustain” when you were specced for healing shouts but now that you’re saying to change it into Shrug it Off where is that coming from? Grats, your weak healing from mending heals maybe 10% more every 25s with all that healing power you’ve got (a whole 284!)

MaXi.3642:

PPS: im not pro and i dont play warrior in pvp, but tell me whats wrong with e.g. this build, good sustain, high hp, very high toughness, some healing, many condi cures, more then 1/3 of time fury up, seems worth trying to me… and feel free to change sigils and runes or anything if you want…
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRBHPlG2IoTybzjLETcgwUoInHJZ8kP9gMsJNA;TwAA0Cvouycl4K7VurkXtIYUwmgZBA

PPPS: try to compare cooldowns and numbers of condi cures of this warrior build and ele cantrip build, i dont wanna calculate now, have another work i hope you will, im curious

I’ll try

>Actually using OH axe, the worst weapon to exist
>Deep Cuts adding 50% duration to random as hell bleeds you’re not even spec’d for
>Traiting for Furious Speed when you already have 100% swiftness uptime from Signet of Rage and Warhorn
>Actually putting 30 points into Arms for Furious
>Not having at least 15 into Discipline for Fast Hands (this is a sin)
>Actually using warrior runes
>Shouts heal – 2 Shouts

That’s not high toughness, that’s middling toughness since you didn’t spec into the Defense tree at all.
I’m not seeing this “good sustain” nonsense, have you even played warrior before? Toughness and HP aren’t “sustain”. Your shouts are going to heal you for an approximate of 2.5k, that’s 5k healing every ~25s since you don’t have Lung Capacity, that’s absolutely terrible. And what’s left, Endure Pain? I’ll admit that’s the only thing warriors have remotely close to a get out of jail free card but it’s on a 90s cooldown, good luck having that protect you when you don’t even have Defy Pain as well.

“Many condi cures” I just, what. You have 3 SINGLE condition cleansers on ~25s cooldowns and your untraited heal, congrats, you can SORT OF (not really) feebly cancel out the condition damage of warriors and thieves. Good luck doing anything to a necro or engineer. In case you don’t play Ele as well one rotation into their water attunement completely outclasses your “Many condi cures” already.

To even draw a comparison to what a cantrip ele can do stunbreaking+cleansing wise with warrior…. wait you can’t. Both sides are almost mutually exclusive seeing as warrior’s stunbreaks are stances+1 shout while you need soldier runed 3x shouts to even try to compare with an Ele’s condition cleansing.

TL;DR you have no idea what you’re talking about yet still exhale nonsense out of your load gaper.

TheGuy.3568:

First off OP no just No! We are one of the most mobile classes there is just use sword and GS and you’ll out run everyone even an ele. As far as surviving fights outside pure condition speced anything we are ok.

As far as 100B goes if you are trying to land it on a player don’t worry about getting every hit. Use leg specialist and land what you can and move on. Its about pressure not big numbers only. Fact is most experienced players wont get caught in 100 blades but few can avoid it entirely. Use your sword as a gap close and use your burst to immobilize and you keep dong this. The point is that even eating 1/3 or 100B is still eating 1/3 of 100B.

What we need is better condition management and that about it. If you are having issues with physical defense it’s you or your build.

“We are one of the most mobile classes, just funnel every single warrior into using this very specific weaponset choking all build diversity”

FotM implies it changes every month

People pick asura because their model is tiny, and while all hitboxes are the same size, the fact that they are tiny makes their animations extremely hard to identify. It grants a kitten advantage in pvp that’s hard to make a case against because people will start crying about “wanting to play their character” and other nonsense like that.

So you are a cluster bombing thief without any of the stealth/mobility/utility and with hard cooldowns?

So it seems no top players play warrior, so we will never have a warrior main be invited to these SotGs, so we’ll never be able to tell Anet straight up how stupid their opinion on warrior being “very close to becoming an unstoppable beast” is

How depressing

Coming soon in this month’s SotG:

• Class descriptions!
• Stat buffs to inherently clunky and awful mechanics for pvp!
• Promises for new content “some time to the future that may or may not be, but most likely will, be closer to the present time”(!)
• 2 minute segments for the lowest tier pvp classes!

I play a warrior so I have basically given up all hope and trust in Arenanet regarding balancing

It has always been referred to as “Boon Hate”. Not once did they mention anything remotely close to ripping boons off enemies. It’s just going to be something stupid and entirely useless/insignificant like +1% damage per boon on the enemy.

Oh boy more traits that encourage completely ignoring your class mechanic that just happens to perfectly fit into the one cookie cutter 100babbies build

Venereus.9473:

Sure, stat-wise the burst damage from the line is negligible, but Discipline also has some pretty cool and useful traits that are hard to pass on.

Please stop perpetrating this school of thought, it’s completely ridiculous that warrior has a functionally absolutely useless class-specific stat. It’s not like the other classes don’t get “pretty cool and useful traits that are hard to pass on” in their last traitline.

Jzaku.9765:

Every other class benefits immensely from their class-specific stat, why is warrior the only one whose stat does absolutely nothing ~7months into the game?
Not to mention how “Burst damage increase” doesn’t even do anything for 6/9 warrior burst skills since the only burst skills which point is to do damage are Kill Shot, Eviscerate, and Forceful Shot.
And before some PvE warrior says “b-but the crit damage increase in the trait line is already so good!” No. Let’s look at what the other classes get together with their 30% crit damage taking that they invested 30 points into their line:
Elementalists, Ranger and Thief: 300 Precision
Guardian: 300 Toughness
Necromancer: 30% Death Shroud HP
Engineer: -30% on Toolbelt Skill Recharge
Mesmer -30% on Shatter Recharge
and finally we have Warrior:
Warrior: +3% Burst Damage Increase.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

y’r all doing it wrong…
use sword-axe for flurry(immobilize)+whirling axe. sword 2 is gap closer get some bull rush or something and greatsword no. 5 rush. You don’t even need a speedbuff.

Also the signet of rage gives decent swiftness for a long period of time. so you don’t need the passive speedbuff.

> recommending whirling axe for anything at all

Yeah it’s pretty obvious you have no idea what you are a talking about whatsoever

Pvp warrior is terrible. This thread is about s/tpvp. Please don’t bring your pve/wvw experience into this thread. Seriously.

Playing a warrior
Truly it is suffering
Arenanet pls

I’m surprised people aren’t as mad about this as I am. It’s a giant leap backwards from what they promised us in the SotG.

Wow, I thought we had progressed beyond that point where people posted cherrytapped videos of their kill(cut to next scene)streaks of literally the same noob killer combo as pre-nerf, just slower executed.

Using sword’s burst and immobilizes in general to land 100b isn’t new at all.

I definitely wasn’t a fan at first, but this picture courtesy of the “worst place on the internet” completely changed my mind about her eyes

No but seriously her story, voice and character are all fine and she began to grow on me. As opposed to braham who is just a bad fanfiction.

S tier
= Ele
= Mesmer

A tier
- Guardian
= Engineer
= Ranger

B tier
= Thief
+ Necro

Just commit Sudoku rather than s/tpvp Tier
——— Warrior

Necromancers definitely are good, in point control fights they can turn the tide of a losing fight just by arriving.

Khyras.8021:

Try finding real one in a group fight against 3 mesmers.

Still extremely easy

Only you can’t properly target them through the crap all over the field and their clones bodyblock whatever you’re trying to shoot at them

And then all of them shatter on you at once and your entire team melts from the instant aoe burst damage

Gandarel.5091:

Necros can kitten bunker eles. Mostly. But with other classes, eles can survive in 3v1 sometimes, while mesmers die in 2v1, at least won’t be able to finish them off.

And once you learn how to find the real mesmer not the clone, it’s not that OP.

This is such a stupid thing to say. Anyone with half a brain can find the real mesmer, not to mention half the time the clones he’s kittenting out are running straight at you for a shatter.

Mesmers aren’t hard/unfun to fight because of IDENTIFICATION problems, they’re hard to fight because they throw a clustercat out into the field, can drop into stealth, and have a million (exaggeration wow) invulnerabilities.

The problem with mesmers is that they have way too many forgiving survivability/escape/invulnerability mechanics making running absolute pure glass shatter not even an issue. As opposed to say a Thief or Warr trying the same kind of nonsense and having to assess his Risk-Reward really hard.

This game has such quality matchmaking

Veldan.4637:

Amount of people voted: 126

Balance? Warrior is already in a good position 0 0%

’nuf said

Hey, it got 1 vote.

monkeyboy.5324:

its cool to have posts like this but thy are never going to take your suggestions… I’m not being negative I’m just being realistic. Unless we get a huge outcry from the warrior community to revamp the warrior on the pvp scene the warrior will only be a pve dungeon/wvw master.

*warriors in pve are good and don’t need that much change but in the competitive pvp scene thy are a unwanted class.

There is a huge outcry from the warrior (pvp) community. It’s entirely up to them what happens with warriors, but hopes aren’t high.

JJBigs.8456:

Now, I would assume condition damage ofc goes through this skill and certain agony would. Not a problem. So I have endure pain up, Immediately I go to 100b, and it puts out this Ice Shelf (V shaped) And the shelf not only KD’s me, but HURTS me. So i almost die…

ITT people who don’t even bother reading the OP first. He’s not talking about AGONY hurting him, the boss’ actual attack went through endure pain and did damage to him.

Okay, thank you for posting in this thread to alleviate all the fears most warrior players have regarding the dev’s opinion on them and the future. However I do need to point out that:

JonathanSharp.7094:

But that doesn’t mean we’re going to throw knee-jerk/reactive changes based on any piece of feedback we receive. As we’ve said NUMEROUS times, we’re doing slow tweaks so that we don’t have to do whack-a-mole balance.

Just because things don’t happen “in a few days” doesn’t mean they’re not happening!

>Brawn kneejerk reaction nerf since beta to be 3% from 30%, making it utterly useless
>Eviscerate kneejerk reaction nerf to be barely more powerful than a triple chop with 300 range

Mostly I am extremely mad about brawn, which rightfully SHOULD be a key stat specially for warrior. (see: Intelligence for Elementalists)

Every other class benefits immensely from their class-specific stat, why is warrior the only one whose stat does absolutely nothing ~7months into the game?

Not to mention how “Burst damage increase” doesn’t even do anything for 6/9 warrior burst skills since the only burst skills which point is to do damage are Kill Shot, Eviscerate, and Forceful Shot.

And before some PvE warrior says “b-but the crit damage increase in the trait line is already so good!” No. Let’s look at what the other classes get together with their 30% crit damage taking that they invested 30 points into their line:

Elementalists, Ranger and Thief: 300 Precision
Guardian: 300 Toughness
Necromancer: 30% Death Shroud HP
Engineer: -30% on Toolbelt Skill Recharge
Mesmer -30% on Shatter Recharge

and finally we have Warrior:

Warrior: +3% Burst Damage Increase.

We know that the tengu are asian themed.

And we also know that Arenanet won’t include Cantha because apparently “Asians dislike being represented in video games together with other Asians in a mishmash of culture”.

We know this led to the entire canthan district of Divinity’s Reach to be entirely scrapped and replaced with a gaping hole.

Put 2 and 2 together

The only form of stats you can get is through the one amulet vendor w/ jewel on it, traits, and runes from the armour vendor.

I don’t believe that they dont realize moving threads is basically equivalent to deleting them.

You might want to rename this thread to be more clear as to what this poll is so it actually gets replies.

Taym.8326:

Jzaku.9765:

If only every class had a pocket dev like ranger does.

We got him a week ago, and we would like to keep him. However if you think these changes were good for a ranger you are sadly misinformed. The largest winner of the patch notes were bunkers as a few burst and condi classes were hit hard. Robert Hrouda is a dungeon balance guy, of course he is going to post a bit in the ranger forums about the pets getting agony resistance.

Up until his post this… https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Ranger-update/first was all we had. And you should note that one the things his listed 5 months ago, very little headway has been done other than giving offhand axe more damage untraited (but the same dmg while traited), and buffing maul on greatsword. Build diversity has only “increased” because they have been significantly reducing the effectiveness of few traits that are worth taking.

You have to be fair here, even false hope is better than the bottomless well of despair felt by the overwhelming majority of warriors who pvp.

JonathanSharp.7094:

NOW = no.

In upcoming patches will Warriors see some changes? = yes.

I’d say this reply is a stellar confirmation on how they view the subject in question

They don’t even care or they don’t see it as a problem deserving of an actual reply.

Despite the multitude of posts, polls and votes blatantly contradicting what they think.

milo.6942:

My last thread got moved to Warrior subforum.

The deep, dark abyss of many, many warrior suggestions that will never be read by anet. If only every class had a pocket dev like ranger does.

Also

>Wanting to buff greatsword’s adrenaline skill to become some amazing utility

Quite frankly that’ll just absolutely cement it’s already concrete position as warrior’s indisputably best weapon. What we’d ideally want is to buff everything ELSE to GS level.

The game has been out for ~7 months now

Are you seriously suggesting that people have just not tried any other build and that there is some amazing combination of traits that fixes all of warrior’s innate design problems. We haven’t gotten a single significant change in any of our mechanics.

Oh hey this thread got moved to the warr subforums

There goes any remote chance whatsoever it’s getting read by anet because all they expect out of this subforums are people patting each other on the back about their 27-32k 100blades damage

100b should be put on a 0.5s cooldown if interrupted: the thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/How-would-YOU-change-our-weapons/

Just to get the ball rolling.

For all of those skills it’s the difference between a “cast” and a “channel”. The effects of the skills you mentioned are already happening the moment you hit the key and thus they are put under full cooldown once the effect has been interrupted and resolved. This is as opposed to getting absolutely nothing out of any of the casted healing skills if they were interrupted during casting.

Sami.1560:

The point is more that they can evaluate how the class actually performs in PvP now (yes, we all know it performs terribly in PvP) at all times without it being distorted by once-a-minute bursts of insanity. Which quite frankly, were ridiculous. I’d happily trade losing that stupid combo in exchange for the majority of the weapons and utilities becoming viable.

No

I’m pretty sure they legitimately believe that “warriors are really close to becoming an unstoppable beast in pvp” (direct quoting SotG) because their balance guy apparently takes his cues from “People who whisper me things when I log in” instead of anything that remotely makes sense.

That’s why we’re never going to be viable in pvp

Also at the rate they’re going (about 2 changes to warr per patch) our other weapons will finally be viable by 2017

swinsk.6410:

I know rangers are going to have an issue with it too.

Nope

If you weren’t actively healing yourself (which is a cognitive choice you actually make, and thus can use it when you’re not under quickness) all you’re doing is stopping your regen for like 5s, and they made it a stunbreak too.

ahuba.6430:

wrong, they took a bugfix int account while balancing things. that change to revealed would just make thieves complete trash.

Culling is not an intended part of the Stealth Mechanic. At all. This is obvious from s/tpvp where culling is at a minimum.
However the post by jon peters states that they considered fixing the exploit caused by culling to be equivalent to a Nerf. When it shouldn’t even be considered at all.

In case you were wondering why they didn’t patch in the Revealed debuff being applied no matter how the thief exited stealth (promised in the sotg) and don’t browse the thief forums:

JonPeters.5630:

As we played with the stealth changed mentioned in the SotG, we recognized that in conjunction with the change to culling this was an unpredictable change to make. We also felt that it was too big of a hit to these stealth professions, so we ended up pulling that change in favor of just increasing revealed duration by 1 second.

So yeah they took a blatant bug/glitch/exploit (culling) into account while balancing things.

wookie.8934:

Jzaku.9765:

JonPeters.5630:

As we played with the stealth changed mentioned in the SotG, we recognized that in conjunction with the change to culling this was an unpredictable change to make. We also felt that it was too big of a hit to these stealth professions, so we ended up pulling that change in favor of just increasing revealed duration by 1 second.

So you were taking a blatant glitch/bug/exploit (culling) being fixed and thus “nerfing” thief survivability because of said blatant glitch/bug/exploit being fixed into account when you were balancing?

What the actual Feline?

No culling in spvp last I checked.

I don’t see how that refutes or contradicts what I said at all? The fact remains that they still considered what essentially was an exploit into their balancing.

JonPeters.5630:

As we played with the stealth changed mentioned in the SotG, we recognized that in conjunction with the change to culling this was an unpredictable change to make. We also felt that it was too big of a hit to these stealth professions, so we ended up pulling that change in favor of just increasing revealed duration by 1 second.

So you were taking a blatant glitch/bug/exploit (culling) being fixed and thus “nerfing” thief survivability because of said blatant glitch/bug/exploit being fixed into account when you were balancing?

What the actual Feline?

Kwll.1468:

Well, its unfortunate they made such a major change without good compensation elsewhere at the same time but in general the type of dps that could be put out in a short time span is not a good game mechanic. That’s the best way to balance a game is too slowly remove/modify bad game mechanics. It doesn’t matter whether the class as a whole is op or underpowered stuff that is not optimal for balanced pvp combat that is fun needs to be removed/modified and if needed the class affected boosted elsewhwere. That’s how balance works. You just don’t say ability X is justified because over-all a class is weak or average. Believe it or not its no fun to get locked down and killed in a couple seconds.

Sorry but “Once per month” is not “Slowly”, it’s “Astronomically Glacial”

silentnight warrior.2714:

Well, warrior is know for being a one trick pony. Now that they nerf that I just wanted to know what will they give us in the future to bring us up in line with the other professions…

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WAIT TILL THEY NERF US NEXT PATCH 1 MONTH LATER WHILE WE BASK IN THE GLORY OF MAXIMUM WARRIOR SUPERIORITY

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BANNERS NOW GIVE MORE STATS AND ARE STILL AS UNWIELDY CLUNKY AND AWFUL TO USE AS BEFORE

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