Guild Wars 2

I don’t know about TC, since it’s higher tier.

But in lower NA tier, I think IoJ is pretty much the most respectful server I fought.

The forum threads is pretty quiet with them. No fights, no trollings, no chest pumping.

I think it’s a bit boring when you are used to be with BP and NSP.

There is a reason why Anet switched your number 3 to number. It because having a bad number 2 is the worse thing. If you can’t survive with number 2, you can’t use number 3.

Strongest downside?

What are they?

I would swap your downed state for mine anytime, hell I will give you my Rocket boots as a bonus.

@LordByron

You deform what I say, and you keep using straw man argument to “counter” me.

If you think Elementalist got the worse downed state in the game, I think you are gone way too far for me.

@Praline

I don’t know if you were there earlier, when IoJ set some trebuchet at north west camp in their borderland. There was some good fights down there!

I attacked the camp with a group of STAR and a Commander we just meet, then people started joining the fight and it became a pretty nice war. We had to retreat to bay, IoJ was a bit too much for us this time.

Also a good fight in DH BL, we were trying to hit and run DH from behind when they were trying to siege the only IoJ tower south west. Really good fight happened after.

Once again we had to retreat to our spawn for safety.

My first good night of fight this week, thanks DH and IoJ!

Advent.6193:

@Kardiamond: I hope you don’t mean Phase Retreat. That’s a dodge more than anything else. And if you’re KD’ed in it, you’re staying KD’ed until the duration runs out. ILeap is buggier than all heck, especially in regards to pathing. Engi Shield skills might suck on c/d time, but are pretty useful defense.

That’s exactly what I’m talking about, and I know it’s not a real stun breaker.

But man, how many time did it save the mesmer I was trying to immobilize/magnetic pull/stun.

Even if it doesn’t break the stun, it still deadly for class that need to be in range to do damage.

Trust me, I would love to give you guys a perma swiftness if we had that skill in our toolbar.

Deniara Devious.3948:

I agree with the list and it coincides well with the 4 utility skills I chose for my Profession Selection Guide:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Profession-Selection-Guide/first

I have tried slick shoes in WvWvW. That just didn’t work for me, maybe because of the enormous skill lag we often have in euro tier #1 (it can take 30 seconds before any skill activates and often you just hit buttons and nothing happens when huge zergs are in the same map zone). More often I ended up wasting my slick shoes and not getting it activated when I needed it.

Well with 30 second delay I would hate to use any skill in that situation.

I don’t follow the zerg, so I rarely have the “skill delay” issue.

Creld.8702:

Slick shoes are good, but they’re weakened by a long cool down and an often superfluous tool belt, as we almost always have another speed buff from something. Also, going by the duration listed in the wiki, it’s a 2 second knockdown with a 1 second duration. Since knockdown doesn’t stack duration (which would be waaay too strong if it did for engies), max knockdown is 3 seconds in an aoe, which, while good, is still on a 48-60 second cooldown. As a survival button, I would say elixir s is stronger, simply because it negates all damage for three seconds, rather than being able to still be hit via ranged with stunbreaks or melee with teleports/shadowsteps.

You should try it live, it doesn’t work as you think.

I don’t know the real duration of slick shoes, but it’s not 1 second. The 1 second is for each “spot” of oil on the ground.

When I use it, I can stun people twice for the duration. Meaning the skill duraiton is at least 3-4 second.

Activate it, pass over the guy, stun for 2 seconds, get up, instant stun back down for 2 second.

So yes, you can “chain” stun someone for 5 second (the timer they need to get up). It’s really really strong. Especially if you have 2-3 melee on you, you can chain stunt them all.

48/60 second is long, but you only need it once a fight. I rarely find myself swearing after the cooldown.

As for the toolbelt ability, I think you also need to try it. We don’t have any other source of speed like this. It’s not swiftness.

Out of combat, sure, you’ll go at the same speed as other swiftness buffed player. But in combat it’s different.

In combat, you’ll go at max speed for the duration. You will double the speed of someone with swiftness. Try it, I don’t know the exact number, but nobodies can outrun me when I’m on super speed without using leaps/RTL. A well known hacker in my old match up tried to speed hack from me, hell too bad I had my slick shoe and could follow him for the 5 second needed to finish the kill.

Elixir S is good, and most of the time better in duel. But in group fight, I have a special need for Slick Shoe.

I need it for my deadly confusion combo, and I need it to escape when it’s too hot.

If I get zerged/focus on, with Elixir S I will survive 3 more sec. Can be useful. With super speed, I will escape, heal and come back. Sure it doesn’t always work, but 80% of the time it works. While with Elixir S, I will die after the duration.

Give it a try

@LordByron

Where did I lie? Don’t take my post as an offence, I’m only trying to discuss balancing.

My arguments aren’t about *surviving" the encounter. When you are downed, you’ll prolly die. No question about it.

The question is : How hard will you be to finish? Because in a team fight, surviving longer in downed state is what make a difference.

Jump of a cliff
You die if they come finish you, but how much time you win by doing this?

Jump in water
You can’t spike under water. Making it so much more annoying. During a team fight, an Elem can win a lot of time just by going into the waters.

Vapor form is short

Did I say it was long duration? It’s 3 second. I wouldn’t say it short, but it’s not very long. But It still enought to run in a tower or behind your zerg. Add in dodge, and you can go even further.

Even if 10 players try to spike you, you press 2 and interupted all 10.

“FALSE!!! no more HP reset.
Most classes can do the same”

Where did I say you couldn’t be DPS’d? I exactly said “spike”. I think this is a case of bad reading. I will say it another way : No matter how many players try to finish you with “F” finisher, they won’t succed on the first attempt. You have an instant cast AoE interrupt. They won’t be able to finish you again for another 3 second.

Who are those “most class”? Only 3 class can interrupt infinite number of interrupt : Thief, mesmer, Elem. Other are limited by number (AoE Cap or single target).

Remove all conditions from you.

You might be right, last thread we did about this, we tested it and it was removing conditions. Are you sure it doesn’t anymore? I’m talking about condition pre-vapor form.

Move near mobs to kill one and rally.

“FALSE our damage from downed is horrible…..we just have vapor form……”

Your number 1 is listed for 195 damage for 1/2 delay + 1 stack of vuln.

That mean that if you are building for dps, you can hit for up to 1.2-1.5k damage each 0.5 second.
Your number 3 is really average, I concure. But he does really good damage. 755 damage + 10 stack of bleeds for 3 second is a lot.

The reason why you think you don’t hit hard with Elem, is prolly because you are bunker/hybrid build. 90% of the Elem population isn’t GC, so you won’t see crazy damage in downed state.

Overall your damage is on par with the rest of the downed state.

What is my pupose?

To discuss balance. I think the forum is a very good place for that.

Talking about misinformation, I agree with you. Karl McClain during the SotG said 100nade were hitting people for 24k damage. He got that from a guy that posted in the PvP forum with a screen shot showing 24k damage. The sad part was that, on purpose or not, the OP did an error when making the screen shot, and the real damage was around 16k.

Too bad Anet only remembered the 24k damage, and didn’t check back the thread were we explained how wrong it was.

Sorry I got a bit carried over.

I’m sorry If I did some misformation about the conditions removal, but those were verified information, that made a changed lately. Other then this, all my argument where from previous test.

I don’t say nerf Elem vapor form, but removing the gate usage would be a good change for me.

Gorefiend.9675:

Creepy Silent.9801:

I would love to see a 4 way, DR/Ehmry vs. BP/AR! Or maybe just ECHO/ADQQSTy vs everything

ECHO/ADQQSTy/SEKZ vs everthing…I don’t think the Anet servers could handle that level of epicness.

Well you guys sure have an EGO

@GoreFiend

How much it changed since free transfer? Since then we fought like 6-7 time vs Borliss Pass. We know them. That’s why I’m saying if BP is T4, then what rank are AR and NSP? Are we T4/5 too?

I really doubt BP has the NA population of EB.

My confusion Combo!

Big Ol Bomb
Magnetic Pull into big ol bomb explosion
poison dart + blowtorch during the stun
Activate Slick Shoes -> Walk over them over and over, they shouldn’t have time to get up from big ol bomb stun before you stun them again, and you stun them twice be walking over them during slick shoe duration.
Fire Bomb
Concusion Bomb
Prybar
Static Shot
Glue Shot
If the enemy don’t have any stun breaker (happens a lot in >WvW) they will be perma stunned for like 5-7 second.

They will suffer some good DOT and direct damage for the duration.

But once they get up and try to fight back, they will be full of conditions and have 12 stack of confusions on them.

Cover your confusion stack with some immobilize, cripple,blind and bleed so they don’t remove it easily.

If they do an action right after coming back up, they should be hit for around 5k.

This combo is deadly, especialy if you have a team with you.

Medkit isn’t OP, but the trait is still better then both our GM traits in tools.

3 second of retaliation with 25 CD? You mean a weaker version of a warrior trait? Come on! At least the warrior have it on a TANK trait line.

Yeah, always been a fan of slick shoes.

I have to sacrifice Elixir S for it, but the number of time it saved my kitten when outnumbered or pressured during a fight.

And it’s a thief killer.

Those poor thief.

P.S : Even better when your toolbelt reset at 25% hp. 2 super speed in a row is hard to catch up, when you drop glue bombs and glue shot!

Next Weeks : Broliss Rock will be reunited again!

@Gorefiend

BP doesn’t have the NA population of a T4 server. Are you saying AR and NSP could be T4?

@Setsunayaki

Are you really taking Engineer downed state as an example why Elem downed would be bad?

Really?

I think if there is something that 90% of people on this game can agree on, it’s that engineer got the worse downed state in the game.

Set a bomb that blow up everybody around? Yeah sound good. Except thaty we can’t use it. We have the worse number 2 in the game.

Cast time
Single target
Blocked by pets/other players
Counterable by every condition/boon in the game.
Low Damage
Pull the target to us

“but Elementalist can only run away then die”

Yeah, you have a guaranted first stomp interrupt. It’s enought to be in the top 3 downed state already. Every other class would swap their number 2 for that. Necro can fear someone off a cliff? Yeah right, because it’s not situational.

Want me to give all the situation vapor form can be useful?

- Jump off a cliff.
- Jump into water, becoming impossible to spike.
- Run to tower
- Run behind zerg
- Even if 10 players try to spike you, you press 2 and interupted all 10.
- Remove all conditions from you.
- Move near mobs to kill one and rally.

Elemental number 2 is the best downed in the game, it wouldn’t make it bad if you couldn’t use towers door in WvW. Each time I fight an Elem near a tower I know it’s pointless. Even If I down him, he will run to the door. You also can dodge in Vapor form, so dodge the immobilize.

And I’m sure Thief would swap their number 2 and 3 with you. Thief are easy to finish, just DPS them down. No need to spike. You just made their number 3 useless.

If you think Elem are hard because of the numbers of skills and cooldown management, try a multikit Engineer. It’s the same issue, but with more skills.

Sebrent.3625:

If your build doesn’t take any of the options that allow you to have 100% (or near 100%) up-time on swiftness, that’s on you as that is the current state of the Mesmer.

I do understand the beef though with things like the Engineer spending 10 points in a good trait line and getting perma-swiftness while a Mesmer has to invest much more to receive the same.

Well give the engineer a weapon skills that include a stun breaker on low cooldown, and you can have a 10 traits perma swiftness including a button smashing every 5 sec.

Slick Shoes.

Those shoes are nasty in duel or WvW roaming.

5 second of perma stun?

Stun a whole team?

Free escape toolbelt?

Love it.

One of the best roaming utility.

I don’t know if it’s intented or not, but the new fireblast hit like a truck if you don’t detonate it.

I’m going on my full berserk gear, take my rifle and flamethrower and I get some crazy number.

The fireblast can sometime hit 3 time on the same target. I didn’t test much, I had too much fun using it.

You need the timing and the distance. Just net someone, and switch to FT then fire blast.

I AoE hit guys for around 10k++ if it triple hit. I one shotted an elementalist during a fight.

It’s a very hard hiting ability.

Sadly, it’s only a gimmick build. It’s good for support damage, but if you get focused, you’ll have a hard time with FT.

I duled some good mesmer with it, and since FT don’t have much range option, and is bad at moving target, it was not viable.

I only use FT when I’m in a group.

Anvil Rock got this bad habit from Broliss Rock alliance to start really slow during week end.

We usually are at our best middle week, then start losing point at the end of the week.

Well It doesn’t work that well on mesmer just because of that staff/sword things

Yeah I went the easy way, and I use our beautiful slick show to land my entire bomb rotation.

Pull them in + Prybar + Slick show

Then non stop run over them to knock them down twice, for a total of a bit more then 5 second stun. That’s enought to land concusion, fire bomb and ether glue bomb, big ol bomb if you use it first, or Blow Torch.

People hate it

“What the hell is happening I’m laying on the ground and this engineer keep running over my face with his delicious looking shoes”.

@Ayestes

Just feel weird that Karl used a number from a spoofed screen shot. Doesn’t feel right.

Then we agree that there shouldn’t not be any one shotting class in this game. I said it, if they remove it for us, remove it for everyone.

But I found 100b and 100nade to be less gamebreaking, since you could counter it hard. I didn’t die to a 100nade build for a long time. Even with a new build I have been trying to week, which is a bit lackluster. a 100nade tried to combo me, but when you know the trick, you know how to counter it.

If they tone it down for us, tone it down for everyone.

About Mesmer, I think they are just hard overall for melee class. Especially with the new confusions builds, if you are using Bomb kit it will prolly be impossible to land one of your bomb. Same for Flamethrower.

I think the main reason for this is those kitten low cooldown weapon abilities like Staff #2 and sword #2. They are a pretty hard counter to CC/immobilize for staff and burst for sword. And traited I think staff number 2 is like 5 second?

I still don’t think minion build are viable right now.

They just aren’t viable. You can do some good damage, but once they stop attacking because of the AI, you are done.

@Ayeste

That 24k screenshot was actually a bad screen shot montage that actually did 15k damage in reality.

I actually found 100nade to be really insterresting in duel. It wasn’t the best build, but it was like playing a game of chess. And you had to use a lot more then your combo to win. Feint, CC, block, dodge, During a good duel I would use 20+ different skills.

But like most rifle build, fighting with a mesmer was asking to die. (a good one).

Especially those kitten Immortal Mesmer, man are they annoying.

@Armadeus

Not sure you missed my previous answer.

But Guardian got a 2-3 sec combo that can kill most other Glass Cannon.

Elementalist got the same thing, they have to stack all “burst” utility to do it. It’s a one hit wonder, but it does exist.

Like I said, they are just not balanced yet. Guardian because they are a lot better with a bunker build, and Elementalist for the same reason.

Also, Necromancer got a dagger/dagger build that kill GC ikittensecond. It rely on DS dancing for fury, and procing quickness from sigil of rage.

Armadeus, I don’t understand you on this one.

I understand you dislike 100nade, we have all our dislike and our like. But if you don’t like it, don’t use it. You know as much as me that HGH cond burst is superior to 100nade in most aspect.

I have respect for you, but I feel you are really biaised toward this.

Everything you said, could be said about HGH and cond build. Why would engineer be able to get so much condition damage, but no power burst?

Rangers, necromancers, Elementalists and Guard all have burst build. They are just not viable right now, because like most of thing in GW2, only a few build are viable. Half the classes doesn’t have a viable condition build, doesn’t mean we aren’t mean to have one.

I feel like we deserve a one shotting build as long as other build similar exist. Having the option to be something else in paid tpvp? Why not? If we sometime can replace a thief/warrior.

By the way, Warrior and Thief don’t have the same CC as we bring, but they have others things. HP, Armor, mobility, high damage output ouside of the combo. What we get for our CC we lose on other thing.

Overall, I’m a bit surprised by your post, even if I remember it’s not your first anti 100nade post. I remember GW2 saying that every class should be able to build for any kind of role. Best example are Mesmer : They can be burst, they can be condition, they can be tank, they can be support. All are viable build (except maybe support).

I prefer having all the option, then having each profession pigeon holed in specific role. Not like a burst warrior act like a burst thief, or a tank guardian like a tank elem. They fit the same role, yet they are extremely different.

By the way, I don’t feel like 100nade combo is any “stupider” then a straight HGH build without any kit

I still like you and respect your skills/knownledge, but I don’t think you should judge the removal of a build over your like/dislike.

@Leadfoot

Then they should have raised it to GM traits, if they thought it was too low.

Most of our good traits are Adept. I think they rushed Engineer since they were not supose to be in the game. Our tool traits order is mixed up.

Right now 3 of our best tool traits are Adept : Speedy kit, Kit Refinement(maybe not anymore) and Static Discharge.

Master trait we also have Toolkit trait, but other then that.

Both our Grand Master trait are lack luster, they are weaker then most traits in Tool. Switch the 50% endurance with kit refinement.

Now you need 2 GM traits to make 100nade work. And KR can be powerful because it is a GM trait.

I never got 24k damage on someone. But I did with my thief.

Like I said early on when 100nade became popular, I don’t care if they tone it down. I’m not a fan of one shotting build in mmo, even if I roamed quit a bit with 100nade (it was fun for me, but I’m sure it wasn’t for others).

But I wonder : Why remove it from engineer, and not from other classes? Shatter mesmers (might get nerfed so), DD thief, 100b Warrior (tho they aren’t that bad).

And if you are removing it to us, give us something else to make up for it. Not like 100nade was FOTM in tPvP.

@Bhawb

And yet a Warrior whirlwind and one shot all our minions.

@Softspoken

Not at all. Pretty hard to read someone via the internet I concure.

@Lettucemode

They said they would eventually look at shatter.

Do you know how long it can takes? It’s not like they have an habit of doing fast balance.

And I was just laughting at the fact that they took Minion Master as an example. That’s the part you didn’t seem to catch.

And don’t try to get any sympathy from me for the mesmer class.

Am I the only one that had a heart attack when they said they were buffing Mesmer GS because they suffer from AoE damage when fighting class like Minion Master Necro?

Seriously?

You buff mesmer because you think they have a hard time killing a Minion freaking master Necromancer?

Was that a joke that I didn’t catch?

Well necromancers pull is not as reliable, but it also cast chill on the target.

Mesmer pull is also really good.

@ZinWrath

I might have misread some part, sorry about that.

And the amount of conditions removal/trans necro have, engineer are no where near. Especially since condition transfer are better then condition removal, as you are not only removing them, but sending them to your ennemy.

The devs also want necromancer to be an attrition class, to slowly drian you over time. But I have yet to find anything that would make the necro become stronger as the fight goes. A real attrition clas would be wild bill thief, as they slowly eat you, and they regen over time. Yeah I’m a bit disappointed by my necromancer.

100nade being a duel build, I prefer to use it support. I found myself to be a bit squishy and limited when dueling with my 100nade. Dueling a mesmer with this build is such a pain. Also any kiting class with a lot of dodge can be really hard. But yeah I prefer HGH burst or Confusion build (WvW) for dueling.

Are we really getting a buff to conditions damage? If there is a place we didn’t need a buff, it was conditions.

Note : I misread, this is a global conditions buff. My bad!

And I’m still missing the points of Kit refinement nerf, if grenade barrage and Super Elixir were too strong, nerf them , not the rest.

And I fail to recall someone calling SE overpowered.

Rest looks good, especially if they buff turret!

Nah I prefer not adding ennemy on my friend list, it just remove the “open world” part of WvW PvP.

For the same reason I rarely ever duel people or participate in fight clubs. You lose the chaos effect of fighting in the open.

Also, becoming friend with the ennemy make me feel bad when I kill them! (If I kill them :P)

I’m not sure if it was a thief, maybe. If you saw 3 [STAR] and 1 [SOLO] female norm engineer, it was us. :P

Yes please,

DH and IoJ, please say some insult, or become forum warrior. Tis kind of match up thread is really boring.

Maybe we got used to having so much action with BP and those crazy NSP (that are still fighting between themself). By the way I love both those server

@EasyModeX

Nop.

Been a long time since I saw him post.

I also have been WvWing since release. And I don’t want retroactive rewards. I would hate it.

Why would I want to instant receive rewards? The reason why I’m playing a MMO and not a FPS is because of progression.

No points in adding new content, and giving it right away to veteran. Doesn’t make sense for me. I have more fun working for something, then receiving it.

And about PvE coming in WvW and being equal as us. So what? If I go PvE, In 1 weeks I can have the same gear then them. If they come to WvW, they will have to play a lot to follow me.

I don’t see the issue there?

No PvE will be on the same foot as a veteran WvWer. You can’t buy skills.

I welcome this answer, and I, like other poster said, also think it’s childing to want retroacting reward. Most MMO don’t work like that. If they add more progression, it’s not to instant give it to half the players.

And you’ll still keep your shiny title. I don’t need no title for people to reconize me.

@Harbinger

I did a lot of test yesterday with a GC mesmer. If I downed him, and didn’t stomp him RIGHT AWAY (like if I lose 2-3 sec to heal with med kit bandage because his mindblast hit me for 1.5k) he would be able to use iRogue.

And it also happened that If I dodged iRogue, he would be able to use number 2 again, and the iRogue would attack once again.

It’s still hiting for 3-4k on the second hit, even if it’s not from the back. That’s still a good amount.

Top 3 downed state for me :
- Elem
-Thief/Mesmer

Thief number 2 is better to interrupt, but you can dps down thief pretty easily. Something you can’t do on mesmer. Even if they are power, confusion still hit hard, as well as mind blast. Mesmer also have the pre casted phantasm help.

Are you saying that what you have isn’t good? I really disagree with you. You play a necromancer, which are prolly the second easiest class to stomp.

Are you saying your necro downed is as good as your mesmer? Necro got good damage, but that’s about it. It won’t save you.

Warriors does need a buff in PvP.

In PvE they are beast. Not so much in PvP. Right now they prolly have the weakest class (And I mean weakest, not weak, they are still viable).

@Dark Aidget

We are coming back with you guys! I miss the forum action!

Harbinger.9645:

Kardiamond.6952:

And dodging the rogue won’t make him disappear. He can still attack.

His attack takes so long to hit after the initial attempt it’s crazy. If anyone is getting hit more than once by an iRogue they are doing something very very wrong.

Group fight, a player down a mesmer.
chaos around, the player can’t stomp right away the mesmer. He lose about 3-4 second.
He goes to stomp the mesmer, mesmer use number 2.
Goes to stomp again, mesmer cast rogue.
Player dodge.
Player goes for stomp again.
Rogue hit again at the end of the stomp.
Mesmer use number 2.

People say rogue take a long time to come up. It’s the same thing as other number 3. If you don’t stomp right away, the rogue will be up.

Mesmer downed state is good, don’t live in denial. More then half classes have it worse.

@Ostricheggs

Anyway, the op didn’t ask for a PvPers expertise. He asked for someone that knew about engineer. A pro WvW roamer knows as much as a pro tPvP player. You could argue that WvW player can aquire more knowledge because of the consumable, the build diversity (a lot more build diversity in WvW then sPvP) and the gear diversity.

I could say it, but I won’t. I know it’s not the case. Each aspect have a good players.

I think Mask was a good candidate because he is well known on the forum, make a lot of video show casting his skill, and knows a lot about the class. Amadeus is also a good representative.

I wouldn’t mind ether teldo or Five gauge. But since they don’t post much on the forum, not sure they would know.

Yeah I agree with Ostricheggs,

Engineer only real source of range damage is Grenade. And it will hit like a truck only if the target is stationnary or close range. I’m not sure it’s the ideal.

For any other situation, GS mesmer, bow thief, necro, warrior are better option. Even Ranger can be better option.

P/P Engineer got a weak auto attack, and static shot. Poison dart will miss half the shots from range. Rest is close range.

Rifle only range attack is the auto attack.

Bomb/Flamethrower/toolkit are all melee range. Elixir Gun is weak for damage.

I’m going for ether Mesmer or Thief. And they can both kite really well.

@Vuh

I find the harder part being the land portion.

Those mesmer are so slipery!

@EdenWolf

So you have to dodge once again, giving more time to the mesmer.

If he is GC, he is already hiting you for 1.5k with mindblast. If in a group fight, and you can’t kill him before he summon his rogue, you ether eat rogue for 6-8k, or you dodge, and start stomping again for 3-4 sec of mind blast hiting you for 1.5k and confusion.

As I said in a thread of WvW, I’m not posting this to nerf Mesmer downed. Elem and Thief actually have better downed. But Mesmer have a really strong downed, and if you compare it to Engineer and Necromancer, there is a big difference. And dodging the rogue won’t make him disappear. He can still attack.

@Zinwrath

Did you see the duels between Teldo HGH build and a necromancer? I for sure don’t think necromancer have any issue with condition removal/transfer.

Sure I agree with you, my second main is a necro, and they are prolly around the worse dueling class. But I do very well again engineer. Mostly becase 3/4 of engineer are conditions and I can transfer back.

By the way, no I didn’t get my kitten kick in tPvP. I had a paid tPvP period, and I actually had some fun and good result. But I got bored really fast, I’m not a fan of the current META right now, and point control.

So no, I didn’t have any bad experience in tPvP, but thanks for asking. I gotta say that kind of argument is kind of childish (“You don’t like it because you are bad!”) and I don’t think it has is place here.

@Eggs @Zin

As my attack raise, my defense stats also raise. So no, I didn’t have any issue with GC thief one shotting me with heart seeker?

The skills/rotation/timing I use to fight class, are both valide when I play tPvP and when I play WvW. The only big difference is confusion, but it’s easy to get over it.

Maybe Armadeus got emotional in this thread, but you are doing some passive aggresive post that can really be insulting.

Have a good day!

@DDog

Yeah, it’s not everything. But then you won’t one shot the enemy. Which was the point of this thread.

@Croth

Mesmer, thief and Eles squishy? They have the best escape/dodge mecanism in the game.

HP/armor isn’t making much a difference. For me, a warrior or a necromancer will be a lot easier to burst down then a thief/mesmer/Elem (well maybe not thief, I build just for them :P). Why? Because they have few damage mitigation. Necromancer just soak damage up, so they die really fast. Sam with warrior, no protection sources or escape mecanism.

Mesmers, thiefs and eles being squishy is a poor excuse for them having a better downed state. They already have defense mecanism/stealth/boons/damage to make up for it.

Ranger isn’t that bad, they don’t have it easy, but at least they can still use their pet when downed. It can add one more stun while downed. But yeah, if you discount the pet, they have it bad.

I would suggest you try engineer in sPvP for a fast trial. Tell me after how your pull/explotion works

The issue is to pull the combo, you have to wait fr number to be ready. And that mean the enemy isn’t focusing on you.

The issue here is when the enemy isn’t kitten and they focus on you right away. You won’t pull a combo as you have to use a weak pull to try to cancel the stomp.

Been roaming for 2-3 days in a row for at least 2 hours, and didn’t use my number 3 yet.