Guild Wars 2

I’m testing a new rifle build too

I love the burst, but I jsut feel weaker then my condition counter part.

Happy to see you are open minded for the discution.

But you are still giving out an opinion, not a fact. :P

If 200 toughtness is your definiton of defence, then I agree.

But mine is different. Does the 200 toughtness is worth jumping in the crowd and getting fire focused and hit by every AoE around?

I think the +200 thoughtness balance the fact that you have to be melee to fight. I don’t really think it will give you an edge.

With a full berserker ascended gear, I wouldn’t see more thekittenk flame jet. With around 15 might stack. And that was my max.

With toolkit, my first 2 attack crit for around 1.5k. The last attack hit really hard. I usually get 3k hit.So togheter that’s around 6 – 6.5k. Yep the combo it self is kinda bat. Bat at least you won’t kill yourself again retaliation guardian.

The only aspect I think FT is superior to Grenade, is CC from airblast. Otherwise, I’m not a fan at all.

I was giving my opinion, and no I don’t use it anymore. Especially since the omn pie nerf, and the debug of fire blast.

@Armadeus

Well I kinda put confusion build in the same basket as HGH.

My demented build, I don’t use it anymore because it’s just a variant of the usual PP confusion build, with bombkit.

I feel right now Confusion is a bit too strong in WvW. The damage output is terrifying and 10 second duration is out of this world.

It’s weird, but I’m sad about all this.

I usually try to use my own build, just because I hate taking top build. But last week I got my kitten kick by another engineer, and I decided to try Mask build.

PP HGH + conditions duration + toolkit is just crazy. My DPS output went out of the roof, and my survability also.

I just feel like with Anet last change, we are just going toward all playing HGH PP build.

Like I said in another thread, going HGH I can burst with burn + confusion nearly as hard as my SD build, but without being glass cannon, and with more then one condition removal and perma boon.

I hate to be pigeon holed in a build to be really effective. Now with the giver debug and easy 100% condition duration with 20 might of stacks, I fear the worse.

I actually fought 100% condition duration mesmer yesterday with my rifle build, I litteraly had no chance to win. I’m not a bad player, I rarely ever lose 1on1. But perma confusion on you just doesn’t give any space. Try fighting 2on2, again 2 mesmer that can now AoE their confusion.

I feel the same about engineer. If I fight an HGH engineer and I get hit by pry bar, I feel I will ether get hit by 7k++ by removing it, or wait TEN seconds for it to dispel.

10 sec is way too long in WvW.

Sorry about being a bit negative there, I just don’t like having to ‘ kitten #8217; myself to play something different then 90% of engineer who are HGH PP/PS in WvW.

I tried it yesterday.

Didn’t like it, kit refinement is gone from my builds choice. Maybe I will try it again, but right now it’s just a lackluster 10 points trait.

The random effect of never knowing if you gonna cast this or that is so annoying.

And the new KR just say : Go to hell multiki, just use one kit. And don’t use medkit!

I had medkit on with another kit, and the timing was just so annoying. Thanks for wasting my cooldown while I travel around!

@Kimbald

Yep, Anet seems to only want us to use PP HGH build.

In WvW with easy 100% condition duration, this build just outperform anything else. They have more burst then a SD build, without being glassy.

Phineas Poe.3018:

snipe

It’s your opinion, not a fact.

Just like I would never trade my Grenade kit for a Flamethrower kit.

For a full potential Flamethower, you have to spend 30 points in firearms, and 20 points in Alchemist. That’s a lot of trait for 1 kit, while I can just spend 30 points and have my Grenades kits at full potential.

I’m a fan of creating different build and all, but flamethrower traits annoye me because I feel bad if I don’t have the 15% damage or the juggernaut.

Another thing with FT, is the lack of gap closer. I found myself switching to FT only to fireblast, knockback and sometime blind when stomping/stunned.

The firefield got a long kitten delay before shooting, and I’M not a fan of offensive field. It should do direct damage, right now only adding burn duration (which I rarely need because I already stacked perma burn).

Fireblast is still really bugged. It still tend to disappear in the ground and not touch the enemy.

The auto attack is weak, I try to never use it.

“But I can do 3k damage over the duration”

Yeah so in one auto attack combo, you can do that. Warrior can do 2-3x time that damage in one auto attack chain, AoE. With Toolkit auto attack I can hit for 6.5kin one combo.

Again any melee ennemy, you can’t use it. they will out damage you, and for anyone who used FT in close combat, melee fight are annoying because you’ll miss half your attack.

With one auto attack from Grenade, I can do 2k+from 1500 range.

Toolbelt :

IA → Got nerfed from the global nerf we got like 3 month ago. Another burn. Will add like 2-3k damage of burning. Less if removed or already perma burning.

Grenade Barrage → between 6-10k damage. Direct damage. From range. Is Aoe. Lower cooldown.

Finally, I think the thing that annoy me the most with Flamethrower, is it only stack Burn as condition. Sure you can traits for more condition, and stack what? 2-3 bleeds?

With traits and grenade, I can perma stack burns, 10+ stack of bleeds, poison, vulnerability(up to 20 stack) and a good amount of Chill.

I’m not saying FT is bad. This is a good kit. But I wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s on Grenade kit level.

Especially in duel, again class like mesmer/guardian. I played a lot with FT, and it was good for support dps, that’s it.

Personnal opinion, not a fact.

Khal Drogo.9631:

wookie.8934:

This skill was OP. Adapt people… it still provides a functional benefit, just not as much.

Only in PVP and possibly in WvW. Lets not be disingenuous here.

On the flip side, more shatter nerfs please esp in PVP seem like a nice counter argument. Then I can tell the PVPers to adapt.

And not in PvE?

I think you missed the 5 mesmer fast run posted not long ago on the forum. They just quickness killed the bosses for a 10min run.

@jkctmc
@Nutz

Stop feeding the freaking troll. What ever you say, however you say it, even if you add screenshot, it won’t change anything. And you know it.

The guys is just going to ignore it and reply random made up fact and provocation.

Just ignore him.

Man WvW is pretty cool now that you can see zerg. Roaming just got a bit easier

Hey Sekz, what’s up with the big bad Zerg! We just wanted to play a bit with you guys, and you stacked then send the whole zerg at us. Twice in a row

It’s was pretty funny tho, especially the second time we you left some overextender to fight us.

You got a pretty good group, you guys are pretty hard to spread out. I’m was a bit sad cause I used to think Sekz were a roaming group when you were on NSP.

Good night of fight!

Funny how people disliked 100nade, while HGH PP are a lot stronger.

But people don’t mind dying over time, they only remember being one shotted while they were running a build without CC breaker, defence mecanis, thoughtness, and without dodging.

Also they only remember a fake 24k damage screen shot.

But seriously, the real reason was that engineer complained about it after previous patch. Now this patch we all knew it was gone. So most people had already switched build.

Funny how people disliked 100nade, while HGH PP are a lot stronger.

But people don’t mind dying over time, they only remember being one shotted while they were running a build without CC breaker, defence mecanis, thoughtness, and without dodging.

Also they only remember a fake 24k damage screen shot.

But seriously, the real reason was that we complained about it last patch. Now this patch we all knew it was gone. So most people had already switched build.

Kontrolle.3514:

Kardiamond.6952:

@Kontrolle

What?

Way to lose any kind of credibility.

Our strongest build use HGH, I don’t know what the hell you are talking about.

nope our strongest builds were those i used and HGH is the most BS trait you can choose, i had 15-18 might without this stupid joke of a trait. But then again i play WvW and not PvE like you.

Been 2 month since I last PvE’d.

So only the build you use are strong? What kind of troll are you?

I will stop arguing with ya. You win.

Go back to your elem DD.

Is it still there or not? The #5 rifle hover!

What!!??

Necro!

So yeah, this traits will still be unused.

It looks so great on paper!

Well they missed the 100nades era. Too bad.

Try it again, Try Mask build.

The damage is really good, you have nice survivability and nice boon spamming.

Also a lot of condition removal.

@Fishybill

Daydream is right, it’s a bug fix, not a change. more then 100% duration enemy used to go tru your immunity.

Still a lackluster trait, in a trait line where you have a better conditions removal for 20 points.

@Kontrolle

What?

Way to lose any kind of credibility.

Our strongest build use HGH, I don’t know what the hell you are talking about.

KStudios.2850:

Nor does AR apparently care that someone is blatantly unarmed lol. I went about doing a bit of mapping earlier while we were doing so well in points on my newb thief. So I literally stripped my character down to nothing. No clothes, no weapons. My basic frame of thought being something upon the lines of making myself as un-threatening as possible, streaking about for POI’s, Vistas, and such. Still had a thief run me through lol.

Man I gotta admid I would have killed you even if you go full naked unarmed.

Red is dead, sadly.

I used to let some underleveled people live. Only to see them ikittenerg, kill me and dance on my corpse.

It’s also annoying to ask yourself : Should I kill him or not? He looks weak or he is outnumbered, I should maybe let him live? Just kill him straight away. Not like the death penality is harsh in this game.

Same reason why I try not to befriend my ennemies.

What?

How is that horrible?

Ask Warrior what is an horrible patch.

They just got their only descent build in competitive tpvp butched.

We got hit hard by KR, but we already knew it was gone. We got other bug fixes and buff to make up for it.

Silentsins.3726:

Kardiamond.6952:

Did the mine really crit for 2.4k?

This isn’t the mine field mines then?

Yep. got it to hit 4 targets too (1,026 damage non crit in a full zerker build all the same damage, which I suppose suggests a static damage value and not a range). The radius of the explosion is MUCH larger than the initial collision range (perhaps 360-400 range on the explosion), but getting things to run over that tiny initial mine is as much a problem as ever.

Does it knockback people? or only damage?

@tobkilla

What do you mean?

The original CD is 10 second.

Are you saying it doesn’t lower the cooldown anymore?

Don’t forget that the tooltips doesn’t show the lower cooldown. But it still there.

Edit : Oh well you edited your post. :P

Did the mine really crit for 2.4k?

This isn’t the mine field mines then?

TW was the strongest Elite in game and is still really viable.

50% more damage for 5 players for 10 seconde is a lot.

I’m happy about the patch, but I’m a bit sad of the KR effect after seing your result.

2s Super speed, is really minimal. But just for your information, it’s not bugged. It’s out of combat speed, while in combat. Really useful.

A single mine from mine field, really? That’s boring. I think they gave it mostly for the boon removal.

@Chaith

Yeah, if it’s only 2 second, it’s not really big, also because you auto use it when you switch to Toolkit.

But if it has 3-4 second, it would be so useful in WvW. Might not be so much in tPvP.

But I’m a roamer, and a lot of time I have to run from zerg and Super speed saved me so many time. Now if I have another super speed every 20 second.

5 sec super speed +
5 sec super speed from 25% hp reset +
3-4 sec super speed

Is a lot for me. Especially since it’s not affected by chill/cripple.

@Whinner

For everyone saying we didn’t get all our bug fixed, and didn’t get exactly what we wanted. I agree Arena Net usually overlooked us and some other classes bug.

But this time, I don’t think we have anything to whine about.

We have like 2x time more fixed/buff then any of the other classes. It would be insulting for others to cry about this patch not having enought content for us.

Pestilence.3184:

Jinks.2057:

destoyer of lives.7963:

To the Borlis Pass members of the guild [BURN]. I was the lone mesmer at Greenlake about 10 minutes ago….In fact the only one at greenlake tower for that matter. Anyway I wanted to thank you for the bowing and saluting after you steamrolled through me lol. That was real class, I was expecting jumping and laughing, but I do appreciate the respect you all showed me.

I dont get that treatment…tho I uasually kill a bunch and lead them on a merry chase for a 1/2hr

are you an annoying thief by any chance? in which case you will NEVER get it lol

Where you there yesterday in the fight with GF and Burn/Dkz/randoms?

@Merkenary

Which one were you? Sorry I’m bad with names on the forum.

But yeah, I used to solo roam a lot more, but it’s getting harder and harder to get good fight, and I met others solo roamers to travel with.

So right now my Guild name is mostly because I’m the only member.

The fight with GF and BP were actually a lot of fun. We were 3 solo roamers in a party, our synergy and communication was non-existent. But I think we had some great and no so great showing.

GF were really good opponent, they had good number for a gank squad, and they had a team of thief who’s only job was to throw Shadow Refuge on downed and burst me down. So annoying.

And guys, you gotta ask your Ranger what did I do to him! Did I kill his pet? I think the entire fights we had with you, I was receiving arrow in the neck. I had a hard time with his range.

I loved the 3 way fight near the SW camp. We tried to fight BP, but they were a lot more. When we got the jump on them with similar numbers, you guys of GF decided to stop hiding on the camp wall and jump on us. You vulture!

A lot of fun yesterday! Let’s do it again!

Last patch I was mad after reading it.

Now I can only be freaking happy. Sure they totaly changed kit refinement purpose, it’s now more of a single/dual kit user traits. But the skills from KR are great and original. I’m personaly a fan of super speed, and I’m curious to see how long it will last. 2 sec? Prolly not 5 sec like the real one, it would be OP on a 20 sec cooldown.

I’m also curious to see how the medkit will works out. Since we have to constant spam it for speed, Are we going to enter the fight with our KR on cooldown already?

Turret buff are greats, would have been cool to have lower cooldown on the turret itself, or better traits, but I won’t cry about it, they made great change.

I’m looking forward to test my static discharge build with the new surprise shot/turret rifle.

Happy about the quickness buff also!

No culling, longer reveal, quickness nerf.

Nice

With so many change, I don’t think we can whine about lack of attention anymore.

Thanks Arena Net!

@Phineas Poe.3018

Didn’t mean any insult about it, but overall, and I played 30+ fractal, I feel PvE to be a lot more forgiving then tPvP.

About shatter mesmer, I don’t know what kind of mesmer you fought, but they prolly have the lowest burst if you compare to thief/warrior/Engineer(for now). What make them such a pain is their ability to be 25% of the time invulnerable and their many escape mecanism/staff port/chaos. Something that a SD build lack.

My PPHGH response was because you said PPHGH was viable in sPvP. I agree that’s why I listed it in my top 3 list. Condi burst.

And the 100nade build being removed is hardly baseless facts. They said they would change kit refinement to be more utility (EG and Grenade). That mean it’s 98% sure they will remove grenade barrage, which we can agree was too strong if you compare to others KR. Without GB, the 100nade build is no more.

Yep it might be debatable. Like everything in my post. And sadly, confusion in sPvP is a lot less useful then other place.

I also find engineer more entertaining then any other class. Doesn’t really mean anything.

Maybe a bug, but it might also be because I was using a blast finisher, and not a leap finisher.

When I’m with my roaming team in WvW, we usually put a smoke bomb on the ground, and we all blast the hell out of it to stack stealth.

Sadly if an ennemy come into range, it will cancel our stealth. Happened quit a lot.

This is so annoying, It is because you damage the enemy when you do the combo.

I wanted to use smoke bomb + big ol bomb combo to escape in combat, but it would never work because big ol bomb would hit ennemies and get me revealed.

@Ostrich

I personally have more success with HGH build then 100nades.

Like you said, what you get in burst, you lose it in survivability.

And if they make conditions better like they said, and disable 100nade, Condi burst will be a monster.

Also, I hate how nearly 90% of our build resolve around stacking might.

@Ekleenex

I hope to fight BP and EB for many weeks.

Like I siad before, our lasts week again DH and IoJ were so boring. And since NSP got too far down to ever get our BP AR NSP dream match up ever again.

I’m not talking about PvE, as I can make any kind of build and still be viable.

I’m talking about sPvP.

Static discharge → Supbart in sPvP. You are a glass cannon with very low survability and weak conditions removal. Your dps burst is lower then a mesmer shatter burst, without there infinite escape mecanism.

PPHGH : Condi Burst is the top version of PPHGH in sPvP, and basically a variant of the traditionnal PPHGH.

100nades : They said in the SotG they were going to remove it next patch.

Tankcat : Bunker build, and not as efficient as Guardian bunker.

Like any class, you can use tons of build if you want. The question is : Is it competitive?

So much wins.

Whaaat? 10 commanders at the same time?

What kind of sorcery is that!

It will, but it won’t aim.

That’s why you need your ennemy to stand still.

It’s a fun build.

By the way, I didn’t think about it myself, someone posted some test about it previously. I don’t remember who.

@Vuh

Well 100nade is going down next patch. So we are down to 2 build, and I rarely ever see our bunker build. Why would you take it over a guardian?

@Chaith

Yeah I know there are better static discharge build around, I was just experiencing double static discharge.

Plant all three turret.
immob ennemy in your turret.
explode turret and shoot 6 bolt of static discharge.

The burst is actually pretty good, but it’s so hard to set up perfectly, and you are stuck with nothing except your rifle after. And you have like versatility.

I used to be a static discharge with toolkit, googles/ram, rifle turret. Like you said, it’s not bad, but I feel like I’m a one trick pony.

@Galandor

If you can pull that combo, he deserve to die. Sadly this combo won’t work on most people. And if you don’t one shot the ennemy, you odn’t have much left.

I think this build is near-viable, but not yet there.

Dr Acula.3496:

Kardiamond.6952:

heeeeey man Ebay,

It has been a long time since I saw a server that could have so many people in a map! And you use them well too! I’m not sure how we are still holding only 10k behind

I think your best feat is to be able to load 2-3 large guild in the same BL. Meaning you can achieve attacks from multiple points, and add a lot more strategy.

Been a really cool match up, I hope we can keep it close so we can play 2-3 weeks without being bumped in the snore fest that is tier 6.

I didn’t find many roamers yet! I think I’m ether unlucky or I don’t play in the good time.

I walked upon two guys from GF, a mesmer and a warriors. Sadly I was really bored and was using a 3 turret static discharge build (oh my). Was still a nice fight, but let’s just say it’s not the most useful build for roaming.

Keep it up!

Possibly me! I usually use my mesmer for roaming around since my necro and warrior arent the greatest classes to use for it =( my necro is by far my favorite but i always get mobbed on by like 5+ and dont have any real good escapes to deal with it

Yeah my other main is a necro, I used to roam with him but kitten is it hard to roam with a necro.

When you encounter a zerg you are death, except for lucky DS/jump, worm port or spectral walk teleport. But it’s a rare occurance.

You always, always get focused during fight. People know you can’t run away, turn invu, stealth or block. They know they can just unload on you.

Mesmer are such a good class to roam.

Might have been you, if you were travelling yesterday with a warrior. And if you fought a turret engineer(such a bad build) you should remember it.

Funny to see someone argue with Chaith about tPvP turret utility.

I tend to trust one of our top engineer about that. :P

Anywya I was bored this week end and tried a 3 turret static discharge build.

Not that bad, actually better then expected.

But once your turret are on cooldown, you are pretty much death.

I didn’t have any kits except med kit. I didn’t have any CC breaker. I had one condition removal.

I felt really naked.

Well Chaith seems like they will destroy your build tomorow

@Chaba

5 engineer is OP?

What?

heeeeey man Ebay,

It has been a long time since I saw a server that could have so many people in a map! And you use them well too! I’m not sure how we are still holding only 10k behind

I think your best feat is to be able to load 2-3 large guild in the same BL. Meaning you can achieve attacks from multiple points, and add a lot more strategy.

Been a really cool match up, I hope we can keep it close so we can play 2-3 weeks without being bumped in the snore fest that is tier 6.

I didn’t find many roamers yet! I think I’m ether unlucky or I don’t play in the good time.

I walked upon two guys from GF, a mesmer and a warriors. Sadly I was really bored and was using a 3 turret static discharge build (oh my). Was still a nice fight, but let’s just say it’s not the most useful build for roaming.

Keep it up!

Yeah like Ayestes said, I really doubt having boon will be a bad thing. I don’t think you willl regret getting the elixir b at 75%hp.

I think the efficiency will only be reduced, but it will still be better to have boon then not have them.

@Rayn

Actually the fotm elem have perma 4-5 boon on them. Swift, vigor, 50% prot, might, regen, 50% stability ect..

Same for guardian. Bunker guardian have perma 3+ boon.

I think this game deserve something to counter boon.

Not that engineer is such an issue, but Elem buner and guardian get crazy with boon. Most class can’t counter boon stacking, engineer only having mines as boon removal (and who use mines).

I think it’s a bit early to call out the end of boon engineer, as we don’t know yet about the change. And they said it would prolly be a traits, meaning that a boon haters would have to BUILD for it.

Just like a boon removal mesmer and necromancer, you don’t see them often. They hinted toward the warrior. And warrior right now need that help.

@insanemaniac

You are right, but you aren’t always queuing your grenade/aoe. Sometime you dodge, wait, block ect.

And for the guy that said we can’t throw grenade from behind, it’s not true. I do it all the time with grenade and glue shot. It actually really easy.

Like luckywaldo said, what ever time you got on engi, just get some hours with fast cast. Once you are used to it, you dont need the target anymore.

It’s like playing a grenade launcher in a fps. You don’t need an AoE target.