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I agree with the 2 first guys, one of the main facet of 100nade is kit refinement and grenadier trait, not static discharge.

So I find it weird to call it 100 flamethrower when it doesn’t have anything in common except the grenade, and static discharge isn’t even on every 100 nade build.

Overall, this build looks like the regular FT might stacking build, but with a bit less might stacking and more grenade.

I still think it must be fun, but going berserk with FT never worked for me.

Weird how engineer seems to be one of the most class played in your poll ahah. :P

osif.8673:

Kardiamond.6952:

@Osif

I finally got a kinda steady 5 man team, but sadly half of them are from Fergusson Crossing. I’m trying to get them to transfer to AR, but I’m not insisting too much since FC already lack players in WvW.

Maybe if someday you start doing tPvP again (The new paid in Temple were awesome, still no deathmatch tho) whisper me for a team fight.

I haven’t tried Temple yet, maybe I’ll give it a shot! The whole capture point incentive for competitive PvP just got extremely dull to me. Is Temple any different? I’d definitely get back into tPvP if they made some change of pace.

Well Sadly temple week just ended :P But 2 team 1 ticket paid are a lot more popular now. They are removing some abuse from Temple and they will put it back in the rotation.

It was still node capping, which is kitten But at least The map is more fun and you had more team queuing for paid.

About PAXA,

I think they are a lot more useful then you guys think, and they are only using 5(FIVE) players. What they can do with 5, is a lot more efficient then some can do with 20-30.

We were using the break out event once, and we were like 20 sieging the tower. Paxa came alone from behind, and quickly killed 4-5 players, creating chaos in our siege.

With only 5 players, they did what maybe 20 others players wouldn’t have been able to do.

PAXA hunting in Anvil Rock can cause 10-20 players to stop going for the score and go for them.

I’m sure you would like to have them cooperate with you, but you can’t boss everyone in WvW. Even if they don’t obey your order, they are still a lot more effective then any other random 10 players pugs.

Again, I feel like a lot of the PAXA hate come from their attitude, not from their skills.

@Osif

I finally got a kinda steady 5 man team, but sadly half of them are from Fergusson Crossing. I’m trying to get them to transfer to AR, but I’m not insisting too much since FC already lack players in WvW.

Maybe if someday you start doing tPvP again (The new paid in Temple were awesome, still no deathmatch tho) whisper me for a team fight.

@Madzharov

Sorry man, didn’t mean to sound offended. Sometime I post fast and I forget to formulate my post so it doesn’t sound too crute.

I don’t know ALS skills, but since you mentionned Maguuma as an exemple it seemed to me you were talking about our entire server.

So many people call out an entire server over 1-2 bad players I just see it everywhere now.

Madzharov.7530:

Just had some interesting 1v2, 1v3, 2v3 and 2v4 fights against ALS in their borderlands. I learned quite a few things.

High number zerg vs zerg skill should not reflect on the individual skill of a player. Don’t get me wrong, your organized zerg vs zerg tactics are still amazing, it was the first thing I thought when I came back from the upper tiers. But when you don’t have the strength of numbers on your side or a fully upgraded tower, with overpowered numerous guards and cannons you can return to, it’s a whole different story.

Such a disappointment, but I guess I shouldn’t be. Not everyone is like Maguuma. XD My hope is, since you have dedicated WvW only players, you’d probably practice more individual fighting. =D

Shall we all judge a server over a one day experience?

Yesterday I fought an upleveled warrior from Borliss pass, and I one shotted it. Does it mean all player from BP are bad and will get one shotted by me?

I hope not.

Kyon.9735:

This may sound ignorant but you’re probably not using your turrets right.

You can use turrets in many different ways. They are not meant to be just dropped in a single place.

- Damage/Healing
- Blast Finishers
- Distraction/Support

I use occasionally add Healing, Net, or Rifle Turret on my utility skills. I use 2 turrets occasionally on tPvP games and not be a liability to my team.

By 2 turret do you mean healing turrets and an utility?

Because I wouldn’t want to use 2 turret in utility slot. If I do that, I’m ether stuck with no CC breaker/Defensive utility, or I’m stuck with only 1 weapon and no kits.

I need a least one kit, and one CC breaker in tpvp. Doesn’t leave much place for a turret.

Like Necro summon, one of our turret should have a CC breaker.

And I still think Turret should have been a kit.

Riojin,

You are right I forgot they shared cooldown.

Nice build izzac,

I love Cripple heavy build.

I also like the rifle, but I’m wondering if your build wouldn’t be better with dual pistol? You could have 2 sigil, one frost on swap and the other frost on crit. Even more Chiiilllll.

Nice job.

Coleslaw → Depend what you are doing.

In PvE leveling turret are useful. They tag mobs, some turret can tank a bit, and add a passive damage.

In Dungeon, they are a bit lacking because they get destroyed really fast.

In WvW/sPvP, they are static and have a too long cooldown. They also doesn’t hit hard, even with the buff. They can’t handle AoE ether.

So yeah, I sometime use turret for fun. Missil turret is the most efficient since it has a stun.

So if you want to have fun, use them. But beware that you are gimping yourself.

They could at least balance the downed state.

The unbalance in between them is horrible.

Yep, Mesmer are the hardest to combo because of their crazy number of defensive abilities.

It’s not only again gimmick build, it works again most build. You guys got a simili CC breaker on a weapon skill, who got that? lol.

Mesmer are hard counter to 100nade, but it doesn’t mean this build is bad.

@Ayenunited

Actually, I agree that Teldo is extremely good.

But I don’t think he is the best 100nade user. Five Gauge use it a lot and pull the combo often again top team players.

I don’t mind if people think this is only a gimmick build, and they think you can’t lend it again a good player. We already got a FoTM wave of new engineer trying it. I don’t want more.

Kalkz.5297:

NSP and AR Must feel they’re awesome servers now. not to mention 50 AR attacking Bay and 30 NSP attacking hills in BP BL. BUT i don’t blame you guys, this is the only way you can deal with Borlis Pass. the ONLY way

Evilzara.6378:

I think we can all agree that the only reason Borlis Pass is not winning is because of the constant double teaming whether it’s intentional or not. (Reset day and right now)

divzy.8635:

No offense guys, but this is pretty sad

Beef.5493:

Kodiack.2783

Would it be fair to say that the only reason that BP won last week was because of the constant double teaming that AR received. Intentional or not, reset night and all week?

-K

ROFL I spent a lot of time in BP BL last week… how many times did y’all zerg in, attempt to take Bay with 30-50 people, fail, leave and repeat an hour later?

AR have great numbers, coordination, tactics. Why do you fail? Possibly a point for consideration. I think lack of determination letting you down… seemed many times you were just like “too hard, lets go to NSP”.

PS. 4-5 hours double teaming us in EB and you couldnt take our keep… nice work Evilzara.

PPS. TY for leaving SM fully supplied for us <3

~Beefsius

What’s happening BP? Where is the classier BP we had last week?

If you are going to lose, take it like a man server.

It’s a WvWvW, for sure someone is going to get double teamed. And not like it’s a bad thing, at least you won’t be ranked vs a top server.

I forgot ALS were Anvil Rock right?

Yeah I think I can see what you mean.

But you can’t judge a server over 3-4 players posting on the forum. L:)

And I don’t think they are flaming so much, they got flamed a lot them self. People make it looks like they are the worse guild ever (someone actually said that). I know they are a Zerging guild, but I have no issue with this.

ALS doesn’t represent Anvil Rock, except maybe Anvil Pants, that guy is funny!

airstu.2579:

Been here since beta and I know the history. Still doesn’t remove the perception that your server is currently coming off fairly poorly in the PR department during this matchup. If you’ve been the Zerg, then you should have learned humility in victory. If you’ve been outmanned, you should have become stronger for it. Kudos though, you have learned to cry well.

coming off fairly poorly? cry well?

Where did I cry? You have PAXA from NSP doing the worse PR job ever (still love you PAXA :P) and you don’t see me crying about it.

I fail to see where Anvil Rock did anything worth hating, that have been worse then BP or NSP?

Where is the lack of humility?

You and Topple both posted about it, and I fail to see where AR players talked smack to NSP. Maybe I missed it? (And I’m serious, I might have missed it)

@Rob

Yep, used to be, that’s what I was explaining.

Each server experienced being outnumbered, that’s the point I was making.

And yeah, transfer hurt a lot. We did have our share early on, and it’s annoying. But your remaining player will only get stronger from it.

I hope NSP will regain some population, so next time we get a real 3 ways fight.

Not sure what you mean Dark Aidget, but my quote was since release, not this match up.

Because right now, I think Anvil Rock took a break this week, and NSP lost some player since 2-3 weeks, but they are not far behind.

I would like to see a match up with NSP and DH, since DH seems to have find some number since then.

Copy past the link in the browser. Forum bug

Airstu are you new on NSP? I’m not talking about this week.

NSP used to kick both BP and AR kitten early on.

We had two match up vs NSP, and both time it would be +600 for NSP and +10 for others servers.

Also, this thread alone has a lot of crying from players from every server.

Everything Tsurugi said could be done with the dagger and be better. The vuln stack and the retaliation isn’t enought to be worth it. 600 range is nearly melee, it’s a weird range.

I tried so many build with axe, and while it’s not awful, I just feel like I’m gimping myself over using dagger.

Step for a WvW match up thread.

Step 1 Wining server says it’s a good match up (even if they outnumbered 2x the ennemies)
Step 2 Losing server says they are just outzerged
Step 3 Winning server try to teach losing server how to play, ignoring the fact that they are outnumbering them badly.
Step 4 Losing servers pretend they can 1 vs 5 any ennemy player, they are all skill but they lack number. (Based on 1 fight they had vs 2 upleveled players.)
Step 5 Winning server act like they don’t have any number, they ARE just better.
Step 6 Flame wars
Step 7 Thread closed
Step 8 Return to first step.

Lets keep it rolling guys!

NSP/BP/AR have been the zerg server at least once.
NSP/BP/AR have been the outnumbered server at least once.
NSP/BP/AR have been the crying server at least once.

Yep it is, but not for all the reason you said.

Grenade kit, when traited, can hit at 1500 range. So it’s really useful during siege. Beware tho, their direct damage got nerfed quit a bit, and hitting moving target can be painful. You can use ewther power or condition damage with grenade, as they are effective with both.

FlameThrower is only really decent in WvW if you traits for it and might stacking (the buff). You also have to be using life stealing food to be descent. You won’t be effective in 1 on 1, but in group fight you should do a good job. And you can shoot tru door.

Supporting is OK, but not the best around. Since the nerf/bug fix to super elixir, our heal went down a bit. But I didn’t play support much, so can’t say much more.

Mines might be a dispappointment. I rarely see people use them. Their damage is rather low for a static item. The mine utility do low damage and can be weird to land, while the toolbelt mines have a long casting time, do low damage, are spread out and you have to WALK on them to make them explose. Usually people just ignore them and walk tru.

The mortar, oh man now you are in for disappointment, a lot worse then mines

You can’t move anymore, you can’t hit melee, you have 1200 range untraited and you have low damage.

The mortar is a weaker, static version of grenade. The only thing you get is stability when using it.

2-3 hit from someone and it’s gone, destroyed.

It’s also a bit buggy, when you queue up utility sometime it’s just going to stop shotting for a bit. Not sure how it works, sometime it shoot right away, sometime it delays for 2-3 second.

Mortar is sadly our worse Elite right now.

But overall, Engineer is a really good class for WvW. We don’t have unique abilities like Elem Swirling wind, Mesmer Portal or other thing.

Nearly forgot, we also have toolkit pull. We can pull people from 1200 range. Really useful again zerg.

By the way, if you like to AoE dps from afar, don’t forget necromancer. Necromancer ranged DPS is among the best. Especially with epidemic.

Teldo doesn’t win 1 vs 1 because it’s not is job.

I don’t think he “can’t” win them, but he don’t have too. He is a support AoE dps. Losing his time in a 1on1 wouldn’t help his team.

Did he have any kind of food/oil buff?

Not sur eof the build.

A Flamethrower build that is strong in WvW vs multiple target, is the might stacking flametrower with life stealing food. They regen a lot of HP and can be hard to take down.

But I don’t think it’s that, since you said he was using pistol and flametrower. I think you might mistake flametrower for dual pistol, which can use an ability that looks like a flamethrower shot.

Might have been Tankcat? If he was using pistol/shield?

Hard to tell a counter without being sure of the build.

Oh man that guy is weird,

It’s enought for me.

I hope after the match up hard reset, we will have the chance to fight BP and NSP, it was a cool match up. Maybe Gate of madness would be around our level too.

Toble.2968:

Kardiamond.6952:

@Toble

I have to say, by far I like everyone else in this thread much nicer then you. The keyboard warrior are funny and not serious, while you are flaming a whole server for a few post.
:)

Way to go man, way to go.

Some how you can’t read, (Or write apparently).

ALS was specifically mentioned.

As as for flaming, I simply said I like Borils much better, and it is really funny that AR talks about SM. Not quite flaming.

Now I can add:

4. Other guilds on AR that also are fermenting, but we don’t actually know who they are because we never notice them. (The stench is strong with this one.)

Also, If you think I’m too “Serious” for this thread, I am so very very sorry.

“I must say, by far I like Borils much nicer than AR. The sportsmanship is fun, witty and jolly, while AR (BUT I DON’T MEAN THE AR SERVER, I ONLY MEAN ALS, PLEASE READ CAREFULY GUYS) is full of angst and fuming hatred that is trying to be portrayed as funny.”

My bad man, I misread it.

I only said I liked everyone else more then you, nothing else.

Seriously, I just don’t like that kind of post that only serve to start flame wars. You knew when you posted this and called a whole server, you would have a return from it.

And yet, you reply and you are still trying to insult me.

And PAXA are keyboard warrior? Nop, not anymore man.

@aydenunited
@NevirSayDie

I don’t see what you guys are talking about?

100nade is one of our only top tier build.

I’m far from being good, but I play a lot of spvp/tpvp paid and I had no issue with other engineer. I also don’t have any more issue with duel then any other build.

100 nade is a really good “support” build, but it’s not only about that. Sure you won’t like pressure, but 2on2 or 3on3, I can carpet fire the place and give our team the winning edge.

100nade also have a lot of defensive option, and can be hard to catch up.

@aydenunited

I don’t need my target to be unaware of it. Even if someone know I will 100 nade them (they even call it in chat sometime) they will eat it anyway. Just bait them in using their defensive cooldown. You don’t 100nade right away if you dont have the surprise effect. Make them waste their CD, hit them a bit then BOOM death.

@Lepri

I have no issue in WvW with it. I have perma vigor, elixir S, gear shield, nails and KR nails, chill grenade.

Just position yourself, be ready to pop elixir S for thief, and you shouldn’t die often. From time to time, pull an ennemy in, net and combo him.

@Toble

I have to say, by far I like everyone else in this thread much nicer then you. The keyboard warrior are funny and not serious, while you are flaming a whole server for a few post.
:)

Way to go man, way to go.

@ButtRage

PAXA aren’t making their server lose.

They are 5, 5 premade. Not like they can siege towers when they have to fights 15-30 players zergs.

They actually slow down our and BP zergs. When we siege they come with their mass invis and kill some of us, then fall back, baiting the zerg. Hit and run.

They do a lot more with 5 people then some people running in zergs.

We need small group to help the zerg. You seem to be mad at PAXA for what ever reason and you try to make it looks like they don’t hlep their server.

Get over it man They killed you, it happens.

Nop for me,

I hate underwater fight.

Seems like skill are really unbalanced, and no stomp is hells.

Ranger would dominate this map.

And I just hate the 3d fight, I never know if I’m under someone or behind.

Many build wouldn’t work (Engineer -> 100 nades, flamethrower build, Necro wells /elite summon ect)

Nop

Yeah, I feel naked when I unslot Elixir S.

Net turret isnt worth being one shotted by warrior/thief ect.

I actually run a GC Engineer in WvW.

I got 2k armor and 18k HP. But I don’t die in 3 sec to people. I doubt you should have any issue with your massive HP and good armor.

You gotta watch out for culling, as thief and zerg abuse it.

I don’t use it in sPvP, but in WvW I use the Elixir S at 25% hp trait, since with culling you can die before even seeing the thief.

Your gear looks fine for WvW!

@Markus

Where does your experience come from?

I play Paid tPvP, WvW, and PvE.

And Engineer with the last patch and the 100nade build now got a real place in the high tier. Sure Teldo and Five Gauge used other build in top meta, but they have a pro team and they are really really skilled players themself.

But we aren’t top dog, nop.

Elem DD, Mesmer, guardian and maybe thief are still at the top.

And think right now we have a fairly good balance, maybe tone down a bit the burst of 100 nade, but balance it with another change.

And by the way, Warrior are far from being OP. They are stuck in one build in pvp, 100blade. And most people can see them coming. They are lacking in multiple other area.

In PvE tho I agree, Warrior are prolly the best PvE class.

Pull are really buggy in WvW.

I use magnetic pull to pull people in my combo, and 66% of the time they aren’t pulled at my feet. They stoo in between.

That’s really annoying. Sometime they pull and stop midway, then disappear, and reappaear near me. Like if the pull was lagging. It’s really hard to know where they really are.

@Evilzara

By viewing your last post in this thread, are you trying to transform this in a flame wars?

Hey all!

Lately I lost yet again my roaming partner in WvW and teamate in sPvP.

I have been looking for a group/guilds that do both : Roaming in WvW and tournament in sPvP.

I have yet to find a group that do both, [MAN] did some but I think they didn’t do much WvW for quit some time.

I prefer quality over quantity, and I love travelling in WvW with a premade sPvP, hunting the zerg with a few good men. And sPvP is the place to be to fight skilled oponent.

I’m an old timer from Ultima Online. While many people in sPvP consider WvW an horror, I have to play both style to find what I like : Open World pvp(WvW) and skills(sPvP).

So If anyone have informations about a group/guild that would fit, please let me know!

Thank you!

I gotta say I’m a bit bored of WvW right now. The next update will prolly be a make or break for me.

I don’t really like the Zerging aspect of it. Early on I thought it was cool and had some fun. But after a while, it gets boring to always do the same thing.

Especially since Anvil Rock got some population rise in WvW, and we have a lot of culling now. If I follow a zerg, I know I won’t be able to see much of the enemy, ad it’s going to be random and boring.

I personaly prefer roaming, less lag and less culling. More “pvp” skill involved. But it’s hard to find roaming enemy, and hard to find ally to roam with. Map are too small and you fall too often on zergs.

I’m more a fan of Open World pvp then WvW, that’s my issue here. But like said before, there are no other incoming MMO right now. Will do with what I have.

Well we don’t have much commanders this week, so our zerg might be pretty random. We have a good amount of player, but without commander they are a lot less effective.

Hey by the way if any group from Anvil Rock is roaming around in WvW this week, whisper me. I lost my partner Keyba and It’s a bit boring alone

@Casia

Well did you really read his post? He said this was not a new build.

@Chaith

Don’t listen to InsaneManic, he prolly can’t pull the combo correctly.

I use it all the time in WvW, and it’s as strong as sPvP. When in a zerg, you use your 1500 grenade to carpet fire the place. From time to time, you pull someone with toolkit and combo him.

When roaming, you fight like sPvP.

I don’t see how it’s bad.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

jkctmc.8754:

would hate to lose this awesome matchup between AR, BP, and NSP.

The matchup doesn’t feel all that awesome from our side of the table.

Not sure you would have more fun in the tier below us.I don’t think HoD and GoM have the population to have a competitive match up with you.

@Jscull

Well not all WvWers are like that, but a good amount.

Sadly, zerging bring people in a zone of confort where they don’t feel the need to improve.

Zerg and win a fight by spamming Aoe? We are better!
Zerg and lose a fight? They were too many.

With culling and lag, Zerg fights are pretty random and you don’t learn to fight this way.

I followed a zerg from AR leaded by TwoGallant. I think he is a really effecient commander and one of the most present on our server. But I also saw how high level zerg fights happen :

1- Spot the enemy.
2- Stack on commander
3- Charge in
4- Mass culling everywhere, spam your AoE.
5- Hope you are still aline.

That pretty much how Zerg fight went. Again this is not TwoGallant fault. He is playing so our server win, and if we want to win, we have to win using wat Anet gives us : Culling , AoE limit (and soon to be nerfed) and small map. All this make Zerging and stacking the only viable way to WvW for score.

I went off track a bit, but that’s why I think Zerg followers won’t have the same skill in pvp as old school and sPvpers/Roamers.

So Jscull, for once I agree with you. But it doesn’t make them any kind of bad, it’s just the way they learned and play it. Roamers have the advantage because they learned another facet of WvW.

As you mention it, I started on UO, and that’s why I also prefer WvWing. Sure I miss the full loot and the free world pvp, but WvW isn’t that far.

I just think you could find a more respectful way of saying it.

Jscull isn’t the best promoter if you ask me!

Tonight? Which BL? Paxa hunting? :P

I usually join each BL and ask everyone if they saw you around ahah.

@Osfi

I’m not saying you should go in sPvP, I personally still play sPvP, but get bored really fast because like you, I don’t like capping node.

I’m just explaining the difference between a WvW player and a sPvP player. Stop playing WvW for a week, and play sPvP. I did it once and when I came back the skill level was just so different. People slot no stun breaker, and there is lot of GC with no defensive cooldown.

Jscull just get annoying over time. I get the trolling act, but I’m sure you could find something else to attract roamers, and still be respectful.

Also, zerg are part of the WvW game. Your guild can’t post about it every time they swarm you.

This week, I usually roam alone. Yesterday I got killed by your group while I was handling a siege. 5 on 1, pretty much like when you get jumped by a zerg. But I won’t post crying about it, that’s how WvW is. You’ll get outnumbered, and you’ll die (except if you are a DD elem).

Which BL are you roaming aorund this week? I have a hard time finding you. Still NSP?

@Kyon

I respect Warlox because I know he is a good engineer player and have been for a long time.

But the way he says it make it sound better then it’s really is.

I still think it should be toned down, in favor of upping other build.

@Osif

I think you are asking for this trash talk

People won’t respect PAXA if your guild post thing like this :

“We had 9 PAXA and two buddies of ours. That’s 11. Went over 100 kills without a single death. Didn’t join anyone. I remember naked runs in old emain.”

“We also have fewer deaths on the server than anyone else, and in REAL pvp games…deaths mattered, there were consequences for dying. Not this “call of duty crap” die respawn, die respawn, die respawn. Clearly that’s where you come from “Mr. Spinny Spinny”.”

Those kind of post are just annoying, and people will zerg you even more for that.

WvW isn’t sPvP. If you have a premade roaming group, you WILL stomp any pugs you come around. Even if they are the same guild, 90% of people aren’t on TS with each other.

If you have any experience in sPvP and acceptable gear, you’ll win at least 80% of your even fights. A large population of WvW are PvE player trying to get keep and tower. They follow the zerg and auto attack.

They aren’t ready for premade/TS group with experience in PvP.

If PAXA member would be a bit less condescending about it I’m sure you guys would be respected on the forum.

I already posted it before,

I think 100 nade should be toned done.

But :

Not before we have another good build usable in tournament.

Not before Elem DD are the king of versitality without drawback.

Not before thief can also insta gib people and have th best mobility (thanks short bow) in spvp.

Not before guardian bunker get tunned down.

Not before Mesmer elite and portal get changed so it’s not a prerequist anymore.

I don’t want to find my engineer refused in sPvP team again, so at least if you nerf it, balance other build!

Also, I personally don’t hit for 18-20k on my combo? How do you do that? And how do you play high level without CC breaker? Do you use this build in tournament?

This question are not meant to be offensive, just for me information. I run Five Gauge build in spvp and I don’t remember hitting for 20k.

Engineer got buffed! (in theory)

Oh, My, Freaking, God!!

Stats Apply To kit! That’s awesome!

The patch overall didn’t have much other then PVE thing and bug fix, but at least we got something out of it!

@ManCaptain

You just hit the nail on the head!

Seriously, I can’t add anything more to this, you said everything.

Weakness on EG, is really underwhelming. Sure if it would be on a better auto attack, but EG auto attack is weak already. Low damage and low conditions.

I never see anyone in sPvP staying in EG for the auoattack. Well I rarely see anyone using it at all, other then double SE for healing and condition cleaning from kit refinement.

Also, Acid Pool is a really lackluster skill.

1- The range -> You have to be directly in melee range to hit your enemy. But that’s doesn’t bother me that much, has I use it to escape, not to damage.

2- The Escape -> Why, oh why does it have to be affected by Cripple and Chill? If we use it under a slow effect, we will jump like 200 range away. What’s the point?

Awesome! nice video man!