Guys chill, things are still really up in the air with trait tooltips and slight conjure buffs, it’s gonna take a long time before you guys see Ele’s are actually extremely good now.
Just wait, in time you’ll understand Anet’s masterplan, they’re 10 steps ahead all of you.
To be fair, they were ahead of most players when it came to warriors. I still don’t know why this forum is generally so sure of itself when most people were mocking the Berserker Stance changes as not enough when they first came out.
Because people have short memories. There’s a 3-4 month time span between the forums asking for X, Anet implementing X, and then the forums asking for X to be removed.
Mind searching for some proof of that? I’d like to see which.
Ele sustain nerfs, necro burning, warrior condition resistance buffs, warrior sustain buffs, boon hate, off the top of my head. I guess I could look up some of the old threads, but I’m honestly not that dedicated.
That was changed during these 3-4 months? I thought it was before that.
Guys chill, things are still really up in the air with trait tooltips and slight conjure buffs, it’s gonna take a long time before you guys see Ele’s are actually extremely good now.
Just wait, in time you’ll understand Anet’s masterplan, they’re 10 steps ahead all of you.
To be fair, they were ahead of most players when it came to warriors. I still don’t know why this forum is generally so sure of itself when most people were mocking the Berserker Stance changes as not enough when they first came out.
Because people have short memories. There’s a 3-4 month time span between the forums asking for X, Anet implementing X, and then the forums asking for X to be removed.
Mind searching for some proof of that? I’d like to see which.
The definition of class balance is the Warrior.
I thought this was well established and accepted a long time ago.
/agree
The others 7 professions are the definition of “underpowered class”.
Oh wait…Except for projectile reflection there is absolutely nothing a warrior cannot do, and even then, they have so many blocks that they dont need it.
- Need heals? Bannners and shouts.
- Need conditions cleansing? See above
- Need CC? Guess who to call (and it aint staff ele)
- Need fire combo field for might stack? Fear not! Warriors got it
- Need a beefy upfront liner? Guess which class has the best passive regenerations in the game, with the right builds you can easily regenerate over 1000 a second or more (talking not only about healing signet, but the other stuff too), I advise you to look up “immortal warrior” thread on their forums.
- Need damage in the form of aura and banners? Guess who got it (hint, it isnt guardian)
- Need immense burst damage and a body which can take the hits while doing so? Well ele blows in a second in melee, thieves are single target DPS, mesmers phatasm need winding up and single target, totally pointless vs trash mobs. So guess who also got it!! Another hint, has been mentioned before!
- Best mobility in the game without getting double CD penalization or a target or initiative and all on a low CD, making you uncatchable and unrunnable. I will send you 2 coppers if you get it right
They can make blocks reflect projectiles.
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Guys chill, things are still really up in the air with trait tooltips and slight conjure buffs, it’s gonna take a long time before you guys see Ele’s are actually extremely good now.
Just wait, in time you’ll understand Anet’s masterplan, they’re 10 steps ahead all of you.
To be fair, they were ahead of most players when it came to warriors. I still don’t know why this forum is generally so sure of itself when most people were mocking the Berserker Stance changes as not enough when they first came out.
I’ve heard people say this, then are immediately countered when others state that warriors were buffed before people “picked it up”.
Guys chill, things are still really up in the air with trait tooltips and slight conjure buffs, it’s gonna take a long time before you guys see Ele’s are actually extremely good now.
Just wait, in time you’ll understand Anet’s masterplan, they’re 10 steps ahead all of you.
The design of wait and see is a product of not enough resources are being put into pvp, nothing else. Of course the are gonna have to mask the fact that pvp are being put in second hand. It is a choice that i wouldn’t have done prehaps and most likely do they have good reasons but that doesn’t change anything really. With resources put in PvPP development all the aspects that benefit the Wait and See policy could be accelerated in infinity.
To nudge things back and forth should be done OFTEN and big changes should be done rarely. waiting for everything too be nerfed and not used from 7 proffessions too make 1 proffesion usable in high lvl pvp is not at all a optimal design. If all others needs to be nerfed WAITING rather then changing ele is the cheap choice, not the best.
And a “master plan” of sorts is very opimistical too think exist but if it actually were one, now would be the time too tell abit about its plans for ele..
Sarcasm
Guys chill, things are still really up in the air with trait tooltips and slight conjure buffs, it’s gonna take a long time before you guys see Ele’s are actually extremely good now.
Just wait, in time you’ll understand Anet’s masterplan, they’re 10 steps ahead all of you.
I could be on the other side of the map, and someone hits my mark and loses half their health to burn + a little bleed or poison.
But then maybe the skill is buggy? If it has no maximum range?
On the other hand, why do you run into this mark? its a huge red circle on the floor.
Every skill that is on the other side of the map is less damage on the side of the necro
I cant see any problem here with condition damage.
Again you people are missing the point entirely.
It’s not about someone running into an obvious mark.
It’s that I can proc a massive amount of dmg with little thought.
I’m having a jackie chan moment here.
Warrior Axe F1, Kill shot, 100-blades, Lighning hammer, FGS,… want to hear more?
and btw, they cant be cleansed, after half damage is done
Those are all attacks that actually require input from the player, and they all have risk/reward attatched to them.
Those were actually examples used in the “risk vs reward” thread.
Sure, 1000 damage from eviscerate, and 400 from an autoattack, 400 from another autoattack, etc. Whether the damage is equal, higher, or lower isn’t what I’m getting at. It’s a passive damage buff. If you’re unhappy with the specific numbers, that’s worth discussing, but the passive proc nature is no different to a million other traits.
No dhuumfire proc is ever going to do close to 6k btw. Not even incendiary powder does that, and it’s twice as effective.
Yes, but you have to commit to the target, you have to actually land attacks.
And yes with high enough condition dmg 1k burn tics aren’t that far-fetched. And Dhuumfire already gets 30% duration boost, which puts it just 20% shy of 6 seconds.
I could be on the other side of the map, and someone hits my mark and loses half their health to burn + a little bleed or poison.
But then maybe the skill is buggy? If it has no maximum range?
On the other hand, why do you run into this mark? its a huge red circle on the floor.
Every skill that is on the other side of the map is less damage on the side of the necro
I cant see any problem here with condition damage.
Again you people are missing the point entirely.
It’s not about someone running into an obvious mark.
It’s that I can proc a massive amount of dmg with little thought.
I’m having a jackie chan moment here.
Yeah fixed it up sorry. Use warrior axe mastery instead. I wasn’t accounting for the kittenty base damage on ranger axe
Not really the point I was driving at though. They’re both passive damage increases. If dhuumfire procced poison or chill or an interrupt, some kind of utility, then it would be worth talking about the problems with passive procs.
Yes, but Dhuumfire is a very large passive dmg increase.
I guess a better comparison is the minor traits that have a chance to proc a small bleed, that is a MUCH smaller passive dmg proc that just becomes a little addition, it doesn’t completely overwhelm people by itself.
A single burn proc could take out 1/3 – 1/2 of someone’s health unless they were to cleanse it immediately, and it happened passively, and it’ll happen again 10 seconds later.
Just playing my Engy the other day, I was randomly throwing grenades around and hit a stealthed thief with one of my grenades, got a couple bleeds on him and procced my burn, I just sat there watching him run away burning to half health while laughing cause it was an accident.
It’s like sneezing and almost killing someone.
I’m the kind of person that loves to figure out all the cheese possibilities in the game, starting from BETA.
I did the clone condition spam cheese builds where I just sit in stealth and watch clones melt people with bleeds. I did phantasm builds forever, just sitting in stealth watching pets mutilated people. I did cheesey double aoe retal mesmer builds, chaos armor confusion builds, confusion portal bombing builds (this still functions today).
I did beastmaster ranger builds where pets nearly 2 shot people and were incredibly hard to kill. Killshot and immobilize spam warrior builds (still good today). Thief dancing dagger mega spike builds (eventually got nerfed when people caught onto it). Necro Fear build was something I was doing before it even came close to being public. I was also doing Ele staff bunker/conditions during beta lol.
If there’s one thing I know, it’s faceroll cheese. And I can tell you, these traits reek of it.
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