Guild Wars 2

Terra.8571:

Shirk.6421:

was afraid it’s gonna be like this. Well, crap… Here you go full condi clear every 10 or so seconds…

Don’t worry, staff 1 fills it up in 2-3 secs!

Edit: Also no cd on CA form so can be in pretty much 95% of time if you want

Yeah, it seems to fill up real quick with Staff #1 as long as there’s an ally nearby (pet included). Otherwise it’s pretty slow. Also, tried it with the GS to see how fast it goes with just damage and the bar barely moved…

Oh, so it was you after all, Makka. xD

JKLeetro.6935:

Hopefully with Stronghold pvp mode, sniper ranger may see more light than before.

As for current conqeust I use S/T and A/D with full on survival
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQRAnY8fjEqQLLWyCesAVLG+Dq91zgA4P+if47V4Z3hS2VBA-TJhHwAl3fAwZA4YZgAPEAA

Although I’m nowhere near ‘good’ on competetive level, this build has been relatively successful :P

I’d throw out QZ and take Signet of Stone instead. QZ doesn’t really do that much on a condi ranger build without shortbow, so I think the extra toughness and direct damage immunity of SoS would be more valuable for you.

The standard power longbow build might actually thrive in the new Stronghold mode. I haven’t played a whole lot of it, but I sure felt a whole lot more useful there, especially when dedicating to pushing the offense lane. Like has been said, for Conquest it’s bad because it’s hard for it to contest on the point, but fortunately Stronghold lacks this.

Xillllix.3485:

You could stack over a minute of protection and plenty of quickness (which was a guardian issue too that was fixed); there is nothing that can justify that specially since they have some boon sharing skills planned.

If you’re talking about Druid you need to do your homework better. Druid has 0 boons in its kit and nothing that allows for boon sharing. Druid is a straight up heal and condi cleanse machine.

One day in and we’re already getting our buff gutted. It’s probably not the overall record, but sure does say something about their stance on Ranger’s place in the game in comparison to other professions like Ele and Mesmer.

Azukas.1426:

You all are actually defending this WOW. You do realize having that much quickness is game breaking right? This has nothing to do with keeping rangers bottom tier but goes along the lines of stopping super stomps/resses/etc.

Then imagine Druid with perma quickness. LOL

Hopefully the nerf is swift and kills this out right.

I see the mods go to work on the guy calling out the party responsible for this lol. I don’t condone that kinda stuff but I can understand the frustration with this balance team lately.

Because the quickness uptime really didn’t require any sacrifice in survivability and/or utility, right? What bothers me most is how this is getting gutted ASAP, but PU and d/d ele was allowed to go on for a long while. I love the unconditional hate from the community towards rangers and every little buff they recieve. The longbow buffs got QQ from minute one too, with everyone crying how OP it was. People just seem to keep the class in the gutter.

Is this going to be a yearly thing? Last year everyone was crying about the longbow buffs on Ranger and now this. Patch’s been out a day and already Ranger is once again proclaimed “OP” because they happened to have gained a somewhat useful buff.

deception.7239:

The problem is with the trait: Go for the Eyes.

Yup, it’s Go for the Eyes that does it.

It’s Go for the Eyes that bugs the F2 out. You can infinitly spam blinds, but also, with the right timing, increase your pet’s DPS, since the F2 cancels attack animation aftercasts. It’s stupidly broken.

Ashen.2907:

Is whining about whining really any better?

I’m just saying the excessive complaining isn’t going to change anything. We haven’t even had our hands on this elite spec yet and it’s already being condemned or outright rejected. If the Druid’s concept isn’t your thing, then fair enough, but you are not forced to use it, so I don’t see the point of repeatedly complaining about the fact that it might not fit your choice of playstyle. Those who complain about it being useless, weak, and whatnot should wait before making such statements, at least until after the Beta weekend, when they and everyone else have had the chance to test out the spec and gather information on it that can be used to back up those complaints. Or, better yet, use that data to give constructive feedback for the devs to use, so that they can adjust it and make it even better. Just look how much the other elite specs and even the Revenant as a whole has gained and are gaining from the propper feedback players have provided after last two Beta weekends.

Can I have some fries with that salt? Seriously though, this whole “I didn’t make a ranger to be a healer” spiel is getting old real fast. Nobody is forcing you to take the Druid line. Druid gives the ranger something it lacked: group support. You can still keep playing as you have before and (probably) are doing now. If you don’t like the concept of the Druid, just wait until the next round of elite specs. Now that the Druid is confirmed to be the Ranger’s healer type elite spec, you can rest asured that the next one won’t be.

Bottom line is that Druid is here to stay as our first elite spec and no amount of whining, moaning, or crying is going to see that changed; not now, not at HoT release, and not after.

For a ranged weapon like staff you’ll probably want a melee weapon for the second set, if only for defensive purposes. The ranger’s ranged weapons all are a bit lacking on the defensive end.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

ironicly the fact is a speed running group of full zerkers (in old content) gets runs cleared in 5-10mins , vs other groups which take 10-20mins Not much difference at all! if you have time to sit and play a hour or two of gw2 a extra 10mins means nothing , its a game and should be fun the zerker meta makes thing feel like a flipping job grinding out money / gold every day doing these dungeons over inflating the TP ect its not Healthy for the game End point! every other MMO Failed due to over farming or TP prices going too high or having too much gold in the system , its not a matter of time / gold income or its a zerker or a druid at that , its the point that this guy thinks zerker meta will be the meta still when only 3-4/10 people will be running that Stat combo.

times change so should this guys point of view , killing things fast is not a Requirement and that is the problem with zerker meta too , it effects everything in game.

I’ve seen the type before. These sorts of people are so used and attached to what they know (the meta) that they completely reject even the idea that it might change and will cry in outrage the loudest if/when it does.

Pets will remain the same as always. Druid will give us the F5. The base ranger mechanic (pet) will stay unchanged. Perhaps a future elite spec will play around with it, but not this one.

Levetty.1279:

Unfortunatly people on this board seem to think constructive feedback is the same as blind druid praise.

Something similar could be said of the doom and gloom brigade who are condemning the Druid before anyone’s even had their hands on it.

Ancestral Grace ~ Pre-Beta I think this skill might need an evade attached to it, at least from a PvP perspective. You want to get to your allies fast with this skill and heal them. I feel this might get interrupted a lot by stuns and interrupts and other CC, so an evade might help keep this skill useful in all situations.

Will update thoughts post-Beta.

Finders keepers.

Guys, don’t forget that elite specs are supposed to be new takes on the existing professions; new paths that open up that they previously couldn’t take, not straight up upgrades (ie "more of the same, just a little better). What did Ranger lack? Group support. What does Druid give us? Group support.

I wasn’t feeling the idea of being a heal heavy spec when he first said it would be, but with every passing minute I was becoming more and more ecstatic. Man, this is gonna be awesome.

I’m… so amazed right now.

When they first said it was going to be a heal focused spec I was like “Eh,” but then they began to show off all the stuff and now I can’t stop smiling. I’m sorry that I keep forgetting your name (I’m bad with names), but you are our saviour, dev! Looking forward to what you have planned for the base class changes!

SweetPotato.7456:

Scrapper, and Chronomancer are good name lah :P they are actually something new….. but if only all scrappers are asura … where as Druid … ARGH ! when someone says druid you think Druid you don’t think GuildWars2.

Druids have been a thing in the lore since GW1.

If I’m not mistaken every elite spec now has (at least) one of these threads.

Hurray… I guess?

coax.2951:

Rizo.9534:

SkiTz.4590:

No ones priority is to worry about such a trash tier class lol. Could care less if ppl think its OP or underwhelming. Every class cries nerf or too OP regarding every other profession except theirs lol.

No one’s priority at twitchcon is freaking druid. Especially anet lol. Thats why its first on the reveal list. They want to get this crap out of the way so they can get into the more important stuff.

Disagree with you.
Druid Concept and animation was ready half year ago.
Why do you think they hold it until the last? If there are nothing to show, they’ll never move it to the end! Especially on Twitch CON!
Why people go on twitch con? To excite more people, to promote game and to earn more potential players.

Why they not chose CrapOmancer? DragonHunter? Daredevil? Berserker? Tempest?(LoL temest xD)? Reaper?
Revenant can fit too, but without proper beta test it will be fail.

Why Druid was moved to last?
Because, there have to be something, that will excite all people on TwitchCon, not only Collin.

If there will be nothing new in it, then they’ll make 1 more POI for druid earlier and that’s all.

I believe, that will be something really exciting!

Or druid is revealed last cause they had to revamp it completely since they couldn’t come up with a decent design and we get some hastely smashed together thing that we have a single whopping beta to change.

I hope druid is good, I really do. But based on their track record with ranger it probably isn’t.

It’s probably something like that. Not counting the Revenant, since it’s a completely new profession, every other elite spec but the ranger’s has been revealed in order of how the main professions are displayed on the profession page of the website, which you can fine here. First was the mesmer, then guardian, and then necromancer. Ranger was meant to be the forth. However, we can more or less asume that it was delayed and moved to be revealed last. It’s likely the initial concept design they had for the Druid was giving them problems, so it either would take more time to complete or they had to scrap it and start from square one. Maybe they’ll enlighten us to the details, but I’m not holding my breath. Either way, the fact that the Druid’s reveal was delayed can be taken both ways, but right now all we can do is speculate and hope the extra time was put to good use.

Rerolling to necro or rev if it’s “poo.”

Hmm… I wonder…

Guys, don’t you think the creature in the background looks a bit like this creature that that_shaman datamined recently?

7 – The I’m-Gonna-See-What’s-In-Their-Kit-First-Before-Making-Any-Decisions-Druid

We’ll see. The Scrapper PoI actually gave me an inkling of hope that they might have done some interesting things with Druid to make it fun and useful.

Nicknobreak.7543:

This skill is infinitely better than swoop. Did anyone else just watch POI? How the hell is Ranger ever going to be able to compete with that?

If you’re strictly talking about our GS, it won’t. You have to keep in mind that with the expansion they’re introducing a lot of new tech and most of the elite specs have some of that tech build into the skills, so some of the current weapons might end up seeming a bit lacking in comparison. Something for future feature packs might be a revamp for some of the current weapons to get some of this new tech into them and make them more useful and fun. I’m curious what kind of neat stuff the Druid staff will have.

Ayrilana.1396:

Druid reveal at TwitchCon.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Druid-has-been-removed/first#post5505141

Yeah, just heard this from a mod on the GW2 twitch stream too. They might have planned it so that they can show off all the last bits of info all in one event, rounding it up with the release trailer as the big finale of it all.

We’ll see what’s what on Monday. If there’s no teaser image for the Druid going up that day on Twitter of Facebook, we won’t be getting the reveal next week.

Kraljevo.2801:

Lyger.5429:

After reading the official Scrapper reveal article today, I am very excited to see what Druid brings. Scrapper seems to have great traits synergy, fun weapon skills, as well as useful utility skills. ICH (ranger and engineer developer) might also have some awesome stuff for Druid as well!

Isn’t Roy responsible for the ranger? It was him presenting the specialization traits in the ready up.

I faintly recall the guy who did the Ranger traits being the only one who hadn’t been available for that stream, so someone else filled his spot (I guess Roy then) on the livestream with only some notes to go with. I believe there was a lot disappointment from the Ranger community because they seemed to just want to get it (the ranger section) over with, so that they could move on to the Warrior.

Dirame.8521:

All Ai is going to be revamped for Heart of Thorns and the only reason Rangers are even close to good right now in PvP is because of how good their pets are. So I’m not going to drink your bitter cool-aid, thanks but no thanks.

You must be pretty bad at PvP then if you’re saying the pets are the reason Ranger does alright in the game mode. Ranger pets are by far the weakest class mechanic of all the professions. They have bad AI, suffer from pathing issues, and die so easily to cleave damage alone in every game mode it’s not even funny. On top of that the majority of pets see barely, if any, use, because either their F2 ability is bad or mediocre compared to a pet in the same family (say like Fern Hound vs Wolf, for example) or the whole family is mediocre/bad compared to other pet families (Why use a Devourer when you can use a Spider, for example). In PvP the BM traits for the pet are strong (if used with melee pets with low F2 cd’s). The pets themselves range from alright to just plain bad.

Kaggura.4839:

Hmm – aren’t there only 4 new shout utilities, 1 new heal, and 1 new elite — then add in 12 traits @5 points each (using Reaper as an example). I thought all traits and skills were 5 points each except elites which are 15? Looking at the en.gw2skills.net site the only ones I’d be missing are those 4 new shouts and new heal and elite (plus 12 traits) – maybe I’m missing something or they increased the cost per trait/skill?

Elite spec exclusive skins (weapons and armor skins) will also be in the traitline for you to be unlocked with points, so there’s where the extra points in your calculations should go.

I think rather than ask for the pet to be removed, thus taking away our whole profession mechanic, we should be pleading for buffs and upgrades to our pets. With the coming of improved mob AI in HoT, I am seriously hoping they also upgrade the AI of the ranger pets. If they could be made smart enough to get out (or at least attempt to) of AE skills, for example, that would be awesome. Perhaps even give them the ability to dodge in order to do so. Another problem is that melee pets don’t really stick well to moving targets (mostly PvP related problem), so perhaps reduce or remove cast time on their auto attacks, or make them able to move while using AA’s.

A more PvE related problem is the fact that pets outside of the tankier ones like bears just die very easily on big boss fights like the Vinewrath, mainly because they can’t avoid it in the same way players do. I’d love to see something thought up for that.

Finally, and this one often grates my nerves, is the fact that pets can’t jump off ledges. Say I’m on the Battle of Kyhlo map in PvP. I’m standing there in one of the windows of the clocktower node, firing away with my longbow at somebody on the node. My (melee) pet gets his butt into gear to go attack that player. Does he jump off that small ledge in front of me? Nope, he runs alllllllll the way around, going down one flight of stairs and up another before finally getting to the mid node. My hopes for the future are that they upgrade the NPC pathing system, if they haven’t already in HoT, to allow them to jump off such small ledges, at least.

Probably Sylvari. Main reason is because it would be funny to be able to hear both the voices of the legends and Mordremom.

Oh, interesting synergy indeed! I can see the remorseless thing, but I’m not too familiar with necro. How exactly would the Herald help fill their Lifeforce bar out of combat?

Edit: Okay, nevermind, found out myself. It’s Reaper’s Blighter’s boon. :P

Yeaaaaaah, I wouldn’t count on it. The reason the art got leaked is because the mobile version of the renewned HoT website messed up. Both the images for the Druid and Forge are likely already in place but still hidden. Or perhaps someone messed up and accidentally put the revealed Druid art for the mobile version instead of the silhouette image.

Either way, I’d say at this point there’s no reason to believe that Druid is more likely to be revealed next instead of the Engineer elite spec (and vice versa). Both had some datamined stuff recently. For Druid it was a single, unnamed trait that mentioned aspects and glyphs, while for the engi elite spec all the skill icons were found.

Silicato.4603:

I also hope they reconsider that NON LFG ON RAIDS…

If they dont give me a nice tool to make raid parties, we will have to make our own (like at the begining with dungeons: External lfg’s webs, lfg in map chat…)
Anet can’t stop players to mingle if they want for raids, even if they are PUG.
They are just forcing us to do it ourselfs while they dont work on that feature for us…

Well, I’m guessing they might edit the existing LFG tool to allow you to draft a ten man team. My impression is that they mean that they don’t want to implement a tool where you just queue up and then instantly get dropped into the raid once nine other people are found. I think they don’t want to add such a function since it just futher encourages people to not socialize in an MMO. It’s one of the things I also dislike about today’s MMO communities; there’s too many people too scared or who can’t be “bothered” with talking to others, not even doing group content, as if it’s hard or something to make small talk. They just become faceless, voiceless drones and that’s sad. So, having as little as possible of tools that could encourage such behaviour, especially when it comes to content that’s supposed to be hard and require coördination from the whole team, would be a good thing.

Mavander.3208:

My hope is that they don’t let me down with druid.

Pretty much this.

I was waiting for one of the officially associated partners to throw some sort of discount. Got mine for like 15% off + two small Steam games as bonus while watching the Daredevil livestream on Friday. I rarely pre-purchase these days, but after seeing the Berserker and Daredevil elite specs, I couldn’t resist and really want to be able to try them out next beta weekend.

EvilZombie.6801:

Kreed.2768:

EvilZombie.6801:

honestly i would rather have main hand torch so i could go on dual torches burning everything

I’d rather have main hand dagger so that we have a 1h main hand power weapon that doesn’t have an auto attack that locks you into an annoying animation.

On topic: The spear skills seem interesting, even though they largely seem to be slightly altered versions of already existing skills. I feel the poison on hit trait has the potential to be a real cele ele killer.

daggers are boring so many classes already using daggers, main hand torch would be nice touch something special

either it could be range or melee its up to them but i would like to see it to be melee torch doing stacks of burning damage.

For me, personally, main hand torch seems like the far more boring option. I mean, what other things would it be able to do besides apply burning? I don’t feel like the Ranger needs another weapon that relies heavily on applying mainly one single condition for its damage, at least not when something like cele d/d ele is in the current meta.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Kreed.2768:

On topic: The spear skills seem interesting, even though they largely seem to be slightly altered versions of already existing skills. I feel the poison on hit trait has the potential to be a real cele ele killer.

I really like the layout of many Ranger skills, so wanted to keep that theme going, but add a lot of mobility, even though it is only 450 range leaps with the 600 shadowstep.

And yeah, Apply Poison is purely for pressure on high sustain builds, you cannot cleanse it, but it hardly does any damage.

Oh yes, Ranger is certainly a profession that has a lot of emphasis on mobility/evasion when it comes to its melee weapons, and a new addition should certainly continue that trend.

You know what I’d love to ranger have as a chain skill for another weapon-tied block skill? Evasion. So, say when the block is triggered, the Ranger performs an evade roll backwards for a short distance (450-ish) or something like that. Would it potentially be a bit over the top for a defensive weapon skill? Perhaps. Would it be cool? Hell yes.

EvilZombie.6801:

honestly i would rather have main hand torch so i could go on dual torches burning everything

I’d rather have main hand dagger so that we have a 1h main hand power weapon that doesn’t have an auto attack that locks you into an annoying animation.

On topic: The spear skills seem interesting, even though they largely seem to be slightly altered versions of already existing skills. I feel the poison on hit trait has the potential to be a real cele ele killer.

Archon.6480:

Last time ANet gave a report, ranger was most played class. So much fun, and you are never alone with your fluffy little buttercup drake following you around.

I prefer the majestic eagle. I call mine Armin.

nearlight.3064:

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

nearlight.3064:

Well after watching that part it really didn’t seem like a huge deal. Yeah, I personally don’t like trash talking but the OP for this post made it seem like a huge horrible deal, when it turns out that it wasn’t really that big of a deal, since it was only one little moment.

As for the ranger comment, I don’t think its a huge deal either. Rotations and teamwork mean so much more than what builds and classes you play, as long as they all create one synergistic team in the end. I will say though that condi ranger (settlers bunker to be precise) is probably a better and more versatile pick than power ranger over all, but if they can make that team comp work, then I think its fine.

yes but to a unskilled or non team player watching this for casual entertainment will take those comments to heart comming from a high tier player , the trash talk at the end i don’t care that much.

the ill attempt at Sarcasum about ranger Viability not needed.

In a competitive game, there will always be optimal picks, and non optimal picks. Our idea of what is and isn’t optimal is based on what we see that people can do with that pick. Maybe the reason that power ranger isn’t considered viable for them is because there haven’t been many players good enough to show the classes true potential in a competitve environment. Besides the ranger in this tourney, I know Eurantien has shown that power ranger can work well in the past, but since we haven’t seen much of him in recent tourney streams, its not really in the public perception.

There’s plenty of good rangers out there. The problem is simply that the class is not good enough in its current state to compete with other (meta) classes in PvP in essential areas. Team support with boons or heals? Guard and Ele can do it better, because ranger spirits are still trash and its shouts are still worse than those of other classes. Same for bunkering a point. Thief and mesmer offer better spike damage and have the added advantages of having more and easier access to stealth, the ability to strip boons, and can employ teleport skills to ensure their own survivability. This means taking survival utility skills and signet of stone are pretty much mandatory to compensate for the lack of stealths and teleport skills, making both standard glassbow and condi ranger builds very selfish, whereas thief and mesmer can take skills such kitten and Mass Invis in their glass builds and still have some useful team supporting capabilities.

Then there’s its class mechanic, the pet, which suffers from its own set of problems across all three game modes of GW2, but I’ll spare you a rant on that. Let’s just say it’s not as good as the class mechanics of other classes and the fact that it’s supposed to make up 20-30% of the ranger’s total DPS only makes it worse.

Ranger was once a strong class in PvP. Then came the nerfs. Right now it’s “alright,” but simply not as good in anything in particular as other classes can be.

Holland.9351:

Sina.9208:

Anyone cares to put the build into a build manager? :P

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATRjEqQLL2wCmsAVLGyEqOZDgDwT8Eox/JPyf8TWR3WB-TpghwAwLDAY/BA

He went full defense with the traits. Didn’t even bother to pick any cooldown reduction on weapon skills. Not even two-handed training, which he had access to.

I don’t remember which sigils he used and I don’t remember what his 2nd pet was, but the rest I’m certain of.

Air/Fire on Lb and Hydromancy/Leeching on GS. His pets were wolf and hawk.

jcbroe.4329:

Snip.

I just recalled it because some guy in HotM was going on about in map chat that NH wasn’t working. That’s literally the only reason. ^^

And yeah, it’s kinda sad to see how unknown the workings of Ranger are to most people. Metabattle having the suboptimal build on their website is just more evidence of that fact.

jcbroe.4329:

Literally the only difference is I take Natural over Wilting in BM,

Isn’t Natural Healing kind of bleh with its current bugged state of giving 189hp every 3 seconds instead of 125 every 1 second?

Also, had to facepalm a little when they were talking about the Trav Runes and asuming the swiftness from LB #3 is applied to the ranger. Just goes to show often ranger is seen in top matches these days when the casters don’t even know how certain skills of the class work.

Probably referring to this data-mined thing that was posted on Reddit.

Mia Crazymike.1780:

Eurantien.4632:

I don’t know, it is still a good trait, so probably. I might just go into marksmanship instead of BM…

Then again, shouldn’t we all just play mesmer?

I guess we just wait and hope Melandru delivers the druid of our dreams.

+ something is seriously wrong with healing spring

I want you inside of me.

Down, girl, down!