Guild Wars 2

Crazylegsmurphy.6430:

Please consider everyone.

It is not uncommon for a business to have 1 or 2 charities that it donates to. Most businesses are like that. Breast Cancer is one Anet has chosen to support, and created an in game awareness for. As such, people are going to continue this trend, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Rebzer.3204:

You can decide how much economics you want to pay attention to, but just ignoring it doesn’t make it go away.

Never said it did….

And btw I don’t ignore opportunity cost when thinking about leisure, including gaming. I just place a higher value on leisure time than 7.25/hr, so I don’t work an extra job.

Use whatever phrase you want, it’s the same thing. The people that opt to craft using their mats, rather than selling them, value the accomplishment of leveling their crafting, value the AP, or value the armor they made to wear over the opportunity cost of the material. Same difference.

Crazylegsmurphy.6430:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Some common sense should help you avoid any issues.

I suppose we define the term “common” differently.

I am responsible for my own actions, and do my best to do the “right thing,” but I am not in control of how others interpret my actions/words. As such, I need to protect myself from misinterpretation.

Common sense….not so common… (Edit, this is not a direct jab at you btw)

Then think of posting on the forums as requiring similar communication techniques as communicating at work, especially work emails. Clear, concise, polite langauge, to reduce as much potential miscommunication as possible.

The issue with language is that so much can be inferred from not only just your word choice, but how you string those words together. While text (such as with a post or email) lacks the physical cues of body language, tone can still be picked up based on the aforementioned. As such, to reduce the likeliness of being misunderstood, or to have your textual tone misunderstood, you need to think carefully about how you word/phrase your communication. The same way you (should) do at work.

Crazylegsmurphy.6430:

I do my best. However, based on experience it isn’t always in my hands to determine what is and isn’t considered abuse/personal attacks.

That said, I’m not here to discuss forum policy and I want that made clear. I just feel that based on said policy, I need to know the best way to protect my assets in-game.

It is clear that discussing policy will not work, so my only option is to find ways to make sure that in the event of account termination, all my time spent in-game isn’t completely wasted.

Some common sense should help you avoid any issues. I mean really, is it so hard to be polite? Even when you’re kittened off, you can still express such in a post without being inflammatory or abusing the person you are talking to. Once upon a time, this was a requirement of polite society, it was called having manners….and then the internet was born. sigh

Beyond that, the policy you’re referencing refers to posting on the forums, not your actual in game account. However, if you’re that worried about it, yes a guild vault would likely be the best way to go.

Master of Timespace.2548:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Rebzer.3204:

At first it surprised me that so few people here seem to understand economics. But then I realized how bad most people are at managing their own finances that it really isn’t so surprising that this discussion is taking place.

Just to clarify what should be common knowledge:
- Opportunity cost is not an “opinion.”
- Opportunity cost is not a “perspective.”
- Opportunity cost is not a “point of view.”

Opportunity costs exists with every choice you make whether you like it or not.

Except that you’re playing a game…where how much ‘economics’ you want to deal with is completely up to you.

By your logic, you are wasting 7.25$ an hour sitting on your kitten playing a game, when you could instead by out working a minimum wage part time job. Seems you’re choosing to ignore ‘opportunity cost’ just fine there because it doesn’t suit your view.

He is yes, in a way. Doesn’t refute his point. Sometimes the fun gained by gaming is also more valuable than a petty 7.25$.

Which then in turn proves perspective and point of view. We did not say that opportunity costs don’t exist, simply that we don’t consider it, just as he doesn’t consider it when he’s playing the game.

And the same could be said for someone’s feeling of accomplishment in their crafting (more valuable than the gold the mats might have netted). Which is precisely perspective.

Rebzer.3204:

At first it surprised me that so few people here seem to understand economics. But then I realized how bad most people are at managing their own finances that it really isn’t so surprising that this discussion is taking place.

Just to clarify what should be common knowledge:
- Opportunity cost is not an “opinion.”
- Opportunity cost is not a “perspective.”
- Opportunity cost is not a “point of view.”

Opportunity costs exists with every choice you make whether you like it or not.

Except that you’re playing a game…where how much ‘economics’ you want to deal with is completely up to you.

By your logic, you are wasting 7.25$ an hour sitting on your kitten playing a game, when you could instead by out working a minimum wage part time job. Seems you’re choosing to ignore ‘opportunity cost’ just fine there because it doesn’t suit your view.

I’m all for seeing Reaper’s Rumble come back. I enjoyed it last year much more than I enjoyed the other mini game.

Ur right, the ‘Show Me’ button, after you complete the instance should point you to LA or at least Kryta, but it does not. That is an issue. However I believe in either the mail, or the LS npc says you can access the Labyrinth via the doors that spawn, and you can find those doors in Kryta (it actually lists the maps). The text is there, unless they removed it between when I logged out last night (930pm ish eastern) and now.

Electro.4173:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I was enjoying the by-play between father and son while running thru the maze last night. Cracked me up.

“Well you always were a slow learner”

Agreed 100%. The Mad King taunting Edrick as you go through the labyrinth is by far the best part of the experience. The Mad King is such a great troll to him.

For some reason Edrick’s voice is often really hard to hear, though. You can always hear the Mad King, but half of Edrick’s lines I just end up reading because I can’t hear the VA at all. Seems like some sort of bug perhaps.

Yeah, the audio was a little funky. I had to turn almost everything else down (like waaaaaay down) and then I could hear them.

Edrick’s tone some of the time, oh man. Laughing so hard I was crying. “Really?” All hopeful little boy there, then smacked down with " No. You’ve always been a major disappointment"

I did think the materials for the holiday weapons was rather steep, as such, I’m not making it a point to farm this stuff. I’m just going to play, and if I get enough stuff cool, if not, oh well. Same as last year.

I prefered when Costume Brawl (like all pvp) had it’s own arena.

Rainforest.5926:

Henri Blanche.8276:

Oh my, the word “ISN’T” followed by the word “IT” is censored?

It is possible you forgot to put and space between the two words and it censored the word after the ’

Edit: also I believe it is the 19th.

It is censored, even with the space because of what it spells (space or otherwise) if you take off the ISN. If certain character patterns fall within a certain amount of space it thinks you’re trying to be inapprop, even if it is not.

Rouven.7409:

Pink dye … not bad. How about the GW2 in-game t-shirt but with the logo in pink?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dragon_Emblem_Shirt

Could go with that too…

Was just reusing the original idea from gw1

I could go with this as well. Maybe a pink dye pack (3 random pink dyes), and all the proceeds could go towards finding the cure. Even if people didn’t necessarily use them, I think people would still buy them.

jkendt.7620:

My end game is getting the best gear for WvW and the coolest (in my view) looking gear for my guy.

That is my goal/end game. I want to have a sick looking dude running around WvW with the best stats he can have.

Then you will need to gather or buy materials to level your crafting, to eventually craft yourself ascended armor. (Weapons are do-able currently, and trinkets from laurels)

Anet touts that for GW2, “the whole game is endgame.” For many, this is a true statement, in that anything you can do at any other point in the game, you can still do at 80. The game does not “start” after you reach 80, as many other games sometimes do.

Essentially all hitting level 80 does for you is opens up the world as a whole, meaning that there aren’t any zones, or any dungeons you cannot do. You aren’t limited to specific zones, or level areas anymore. You may go anywhere, do anything you wish.

1. I can do any of the dungeons through out the world and get the same gear? Or do I focus on the level 80 dungeons to get the best gear.
2. This gear can also be bought on the auction house? (If I do not have the time to run dungeons for awhile) It’s the top gear you can get.
3. This top gear is also best for WvW.

There is no ‘grinding’ for gear, unless you choose to.

Ascended does require some time and dedication to obtain all the necessary materials and then patience to craft (due to the time gating), and it can only be obtained via crafting at this point.

However, ascended is not a necessity outside of high level fractals. All of the rest of the game can be done using simply exotics, which are relatively easily obtained without hours upon hours of hamster wheel (as with other games). You can get them with gold, with karma, with dungeon tokens, etc. Whichever suits your fancy.

4. I get separate PvP for gear for Spvp? (Can only be used while in SPvp?)

Correct, spvp and pve are separate.

5. After I get my good PVE/WvW gear (which I can buy or do dungeons) The main thing I will “Grind for” is skins to make my dude look epic? P.S. How do you get skins?

Different dungeons offer different skins. Ascended offers a different skin, as well as the stat boost. Personally, I like to use the pvp locker to pick an ‘outfit’ or two, then I wiki what I need to get the pieces. Some are craftable, some are only available via karma, others only via dungeons, etc.

6. I can now enjoy pawning newbs in WvW or enjoy doing any PVE.

Going to point out that pve can be done naked, if you so chose. Just depends on how much of a challenge you want to create for yourself.

Rouven.7409:

Here is to hoping that the pre-cursor crafting will come soon.

I look froward to this, and yet I’m terrified of it at the same time.

GOSU.9574:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

You can’t sell it after you equip it either…. sheesh

You miss the point entirely, simply trying to be the smart guy in the room.

The fact you can SELL a legendary but you can’t use it on other toons is ridiculous.

Seriously.

One would think that if you were after a specific legendary, that you would have a specific character in mind for it. Being able to pass it around from character like some normal run of the mill weapon detracts from its intent. I know I’m explaining this terribly, but I tried anyway. Of course, its pretty obvious that my view and understanding is drastically different than most people on here.

Being able to sell it, while it would be a little odd that a hero would want to do such, there is nothing any tale that says they couldn’t, necessarily. I don’t see why someone shouldn’t be allowed to do such if they were lucky enough to acquire one that they simply did not want or could not use. (Of course, I sort of feel the same way about ascended)

I was enjoying the by-play between father and son while running thru the maze last night. Cracked me up.

“Well you always were a slow learner”

Might be the overflow you were in. I was in an overflow as well last night, and we took him down 3 or 4 times before I logged for the night. Not sure how many people were present, prob 15 or 20.

Don’t know if anyone has pointed it out, but Tessi says to take one of the golem communicators, so she can update you that way. Once you are out of the initial instance, if you talk to the golem, it tells you to go do the halloween stuff. Of course…. so do the emails.

No guide needed…unless you want it of course

I would not be surprised if they eventually came out with a ‘themed’ set of tools for each class.

Fire, Air, and Water for the first three (which I put on my ele)

Now we have the bone pick, and the chucky sickle, just waiting for the axe. All death/halloween themed, which go well on my necro. ^.^

Ranger would make for an interesting set…. so would thief.

You can’t sell it after you equip it either…. sheesh

I can agree with 1 and 3. I think 2 should be saved for precursor hunts. Epic quest line = legendary weapon.

Ascended should be available via all the same means as exotic, just drastically more expensive. That’s how I feel about it.

Morrigan.2809:

Geez people didn’t your parent teach you to say thank you?
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging something you like just as there is nothing wrong about saying why you do not like something.

Falling on someone who does the first make you look like a bunch of piranhas.

I haven’t been in the game yet to see the patch but based on forum reactions so far I can’t wait.

No, most parents teach their children to scream ‘gimme gimme gimme’ until mommy and daddy hand over the credit card and drive their sorry butt to the mall.

Primernova.5791:

just enjoy it. Just remember, it’s a hobby, don’t let it consume your important time.

I think this is something a lot of people need to keep in mind. A lot of people start treating this game like it’s a job, or a chore (, or their spouse), when that isn’t it’s design or intention.

The game is designed to be casual and enjoyable. A fun time waster if you have it, but won’t “leave you behind” if you need to take some time off. I know, someone is going to raise a kitten-fit about ascended because of that statement, but you know what, get over it. Ascended is not necessary to play and enjoy the game, even in WvW. It’s a nice tidbit to strive for, but exotics work perfectly fine for 99.9999% of the game. That other .0001% of the game that you need agony for… yeah those people wouldn’t take a break if the world was ending.

Anyway, I digress. Play the game for what it is, not like you’re getting paid for it. Use it to relax, to have some time just enjoying yourself. If you’re competitive, try some pvp, but don’t let it consume you, like so many do. Stop and smell the roses, savor the world as you traverse it. The game doesn’t “begin after you hit 80” for GW2, like it does for so many other games. The journey is just as important as the destination. All hitting level 80 truly does is open up the entire world to you, rather than limiting you to only a few zones.

Some people like this, and its not uncommon for games to use a minimap that rotates with the direction the character is going.

I believe you can shut that off though. Should be a setting for it unless they removed it by accident. Still at work, so I can’t exactly check right now. It might just have got unchecked on you.

Arifialdy.1534:

JonathanSharp.7094:

Class balance:

Ranger
Sick ‘Em will now apply ‘Revealed” to enemies they target. We want to introduce some counter play to Stealth (players have asked for that for a while), so we thought a pet “catching your scent” might be a cool way to insinuate some anti-stealth into the game.

To help Rangers support allies, we increased the ability ranger pets have to support allies. For instance, the Bear condition removal isn’t strong enough, so we’ll be improving that. Moas and Fern Hound will also be improved.

There will also be # changes to some of the Ranger weapons. (this one some nice lie)

Did you miss where it says (in bold) that some of it may not make it for release? They did not lie to you, kitten just did not work out as originally planned.

This is no different than you telling your child they can do ‘x’ after you get home from doing errands, but due to unforeseen circumstances those errands take all day and by the time you get home, it’s basically bedtime. You did not lie to your child. You had the valid intent of letting them do ‘x’ when they got home; however life happened and now they can’t do ‘x’ because there is no time.

Karazul.2934:

This was the worst balance patch ever… the meta for pvp is unchanged.

All this threads here giving good suggetions and nothing was implemented. I’m really disappointed to see that after 3 months, THIS is what they have been doing. It makes me wonder if they play the game or at least care…

They did state in the live stream that it’s just a start. They want to do things in small increments and take it slow. Not do the knee jerk reactions we’ve seen in the past.

Balance requires fine tuning, trial and error. Not a sledge hammer…

“You! Back in the Box!”

I can’t wait to get home tonight.

Although, I am a little miffed that Reaper’s Rumble doesn’t seem to be on the list for things returning. I liked that game.

Scrambles.2604:

it doesn’t help that starter areas are the places you find the people with the least invested in the game, thus they’re more likely to mess with players that are seemingly more invested in the game.

As in, “i just started playing [insert game], my friend just came over to check it out and made a new character. He has no plans on playing this character past this moment, so he just walks around and trolls others.”

To be fair, i don’t think you can cite one zone in WoW and generalize it to the entirety of GW2, especially when GW2 is far more accessible and far less competitive than WoW. On top of that, i would like to imagine that once duels were implemented, there would also be a ignore/block system that would disable duel request. But we know nothing at this point so it’s anyone’s guess….my guess is just loaded with optimism and observations about the current state of the game.

On that server (Norgannon), for alliance, Goldshire was were everyone went to duel. (Apparently priot to Cata, everyone hung out in Ironforge, then after they all migrated to Stormwind) I rarely saw it anywhere else in the game. (Can’t speak for the horde side, I didn’t play horde). Maybe it wouldn’t bother anyone else, but when a lvl 85 death knight is spamming a lvl 10 for duels, he isn’t doing it for any other reason than to be a kitten. And then when you turn him down and politely tell him you’re not interested, he turns around and kills every murloc in the vicinity, which you need to kill for the stupid quest… you get a little annoyed.

This is just one example of dozens I could give, in only 7 months of play.

We see some of this crap in GW2 already, where higher level players treat lower levels like crap simply because they can. We see it with the LFG tool. We see it with the champ trains (especially in QD, saw it just last night and had to jump in to defend the person that had only just started playing in the last 24 hours). Such things could give new players a reason to put the game down.

You also have higher players griefing other higher players, because they choose trait line ‘y’ over ‘x’, or stat ‘y’ over ‘x’, or because they prefer one weapon over the supposedly ‘optimal’ weapon for their class.

The list goes on, and on, and on. The issues are there, they exist, and in many cases are the rule not the exception. Which is very very sad, because it says a lot about society as a whole.

It’s all well and good to be positive. I’m glad your experiences have been positive; not everyone is that lucky though.

Scrambles.2604:

Maybe i’m just not as cynical as you guys, or i’ve been really lucky in the MMOs i have played.

I have nothing but positive memories from random duels with folk back in WoW and even in SWTOR. I can’t say for certain if i’ve ever been harassed as a result of duels, because it either never happened, or if it did, it wasn’t so tramatic that it stuck out in my memory.

I can’t suddenly make you more optimistic, but i can say that i have positive memories from duels in other games and i imagine that would carry over just fine into GW2.

See, I’m just the opposite. Maybe it was just the server I was on, but in WoW, I avoided Goldshire like the plague because of the duelers there. It was so hard to even attempt quests while leveling because I’d have jerks follow me around spamming the duel button and talking crap to me in map chat. It got tedious. Sure, I put a few of them in their place, but it never shut them up.
Edit: Or they’d kill off all the crap I needed in the area for the quest, which was even more annoying.

Now, I’m well aware that every bushel has a few rotten apples. I’m aware that not all duelers act like this; however when you run into more of the ‘bad’ apples than good ones, it tends to sour you just a bit.

Taking into consideration the types of attitudes and the amount of trolls in gw2 already I’m a little concerned about giving them ‘one more thing’ to add to their ar[sen]al (really that was filtered? cmon anet, there are better, smarter filters than this out there) of griefing tools. Again, it might just be my server (which is primarily a bunch of spvpers), but you’ll have to forgive me if I’m wary.

Scrambles.2604:

This is what i’m talking about, though. You make it sound like every time you log in, someone is going to duel spam you and harass you until you finally log off.

I won’t say that is impossible, but the likelihood of someone randomly attacking you for not wanting to duel, all completely unwarranted, is so minuscule that it would be considered a statistical outlier and dismissed.

There’s no reason someone couldn’t do that right now, just without the duel part. I’m willing to bet it happens, too, but the frequency with which it happens is almost statistically non-existent.

But advocating against dueling because one is afraid of constant, random, unwarranted attacks from trolls is hyperbole used for the sake of trying to make an argument.

I am simply pointing out that the likelihood is there, and that there is a decent chance of this happening. Some people are just like that. You’re right this crap is already prevalent (griefing for no reason) and I have acknowledged that not everyone is like this. However, based on current trends and behavior, as well as incidents in other games, you can make a reasonable assumption about how often you may encounter it here should it be implemented.

I am not against pve dueling. Which is where you seem to misunderstand me. I would prefer to not have it, but it’s not going to chase me from the game if they do. I have no issue giving as much grief to someone that attempts to dish it out to me. (Which you may have noted by now) However, I am an exception to how most people tend to react (from personal observation in game, forum users are generally totally different animals).

Most people prefer to simply rely on their ignore list, but in GW2 that doesn’t offer much protection, since the griefer can still see when you’re online, what map you’re in, can randomly join the party you’re in (since you don’t necessarily have to be the one to accept or deny him), etc.

Scrambles.2604:

It’s not like people are going to force you to duel, though. The whole idea is that this could be implemented, and if you don’t care about dueling, it wouldn’t change anything for you.

How is one supposed to compromise with hyperbolic fear?

No, you can’t force someone to duel. But you can grief the kitten out of them for declining, and people do it.

Just like people grief players using the new LFG tool, for no other reason than they can.

Again with simply refusing to acknowledge that issues exist.

Scrambles.2604:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Aberrant.6749:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Aberrant.6749:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Astral Projections.7320:

Colin johanson did mention it on this video interview with Matt Visual.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/85152-video-interview-pax-with-colin-johanson/

Oh god no!
Lets just hope he lied about it like they do for so many other things. The day the have open world dueling is the day I uninstall the game and find something else to do.

Umm… why such a harsh negative reaction?

There are a lot of people that have had some terrible experiences with pve ‘duelers.’ Probably more bad than good in a lot cases. There is also the concern of the type of attitude this type of play style fosters. Thus the extreme negative reactions to it.

It doesn’t need to be like that though. Normally the ugh is from people spamming the accept duel thing at you (which is easily solved).

True, it doesn’t need to be so explosive, but some people feel strongly, and they express it such. Everyone is entitled to that much. Whether you agree or disagree is solely up to you.

There are many more issues to it than just the spamming the duel invite issue. Most of which have been brought up and then slapped down as though they don’t matter in other threads. I won’t go into them here, it’s not part of this topic.

You don’t suppose that some of the claims against dueling have been exaggerated for the sake of trying to prove a point?

That goes both ways, Scrambles, and we’ve had this argument before.

Both sides blow their points out of proportion to prove they are right. One side refuses to see that problems exist, the other refuses to see that not all of the apples are necessarily rotten.

What needs to happen is to find a common, middle ground and work from there. However that is difficult when you have so many, even on these forums, that attack people with terms like “pve noob” and “carebear.” The other side is not innocent by any means, but the refusal to budge an inch on either side accomplishes nothing.

“We” (general we here) told them that karma was worthless, so they ’Smiter’s Boon’ed it on us. I don’t think they are going to undo that honestly, but we can try I guess. Sort of feels super pointless though.

Aberrant.6749:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Aberrant.6749:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Astral Projections.7320:

Colin johanson did mention it on this video interview with Matt Visual.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/85152-video-interview-pax-with-colin-johanson/

Oh god no!
Lets just hope he lied about it like they do for so many other things. The day the have open world dueling is the day I uninstall the game and find something else to do.

Umm… why such a harsh negative reaction?

There are a lot of people that have had some terrible experiences with pve ‘duelers.’ Probably more bad than good in a lot cases. There is also the concern of the type of attitude this type of play style fosters. Thus the extreme negative reactions to it.

It doesn’t need to be like that though. Normally the ugh is from people spamming the accept duel thing at you (which is easily solved).

True, it doesn’t need to be so explosive, but some people feel strongly, and they express it such. Everyone is entitled to that much. Whether you agree or disagree is solely up to you.

There are many more issues to it than just the spamming the duel invite issue. Most of which have been brought up and then slapped down as though they don’t matter in other threads. I won’t go into them here, it’s not part of this topic.

Aberrant.6749:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Astral Projections.7320:

Colin johanson did mention it on this video interview with Matt Visual.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/85152-video-interview-pax-with-colin-johanson/

Oh god no!
Lets just hope he lied about it like they do for so many other things. The day the have open world dueling is the day I uninstall the game and find something else to do.

Umm… why such a harsh negative reaction?

There are a lot of people that have had some terrible experiences with pve ‘duelers.’ Probably more bad than good in a lot cases. There is also the concern of the type of attitude this type of play style fosters. Thus the extreme negative reactions to it.

Colin stated at PAX that PvE dueling is something they would like to do (ugh gag me), but it is low on their priority list of things to do. He did say that custom arenas are intended to be their work around for 1v1s for the time being, until they can get around to adding pve dueling. There was no eta, so don’t hold you breath for it anytime soon.

Claudius.5381:

While I agree with your sentiment it does not contradict the OP. You speak of the VALUE items, hobby, time etc. has to you. There you are completely right. That is an individual perspective and can vary widely from person to person.

The OP talks about another subject: the COST of in-game things expressed in gold. Only that. And he is completely right. When you collect mats and use them they are not free in the sense that they don’t cost anything. They cost you the opportunity to sell them, i. e. the sell price in the moment you use them up.

You and some others here assume that the OP thinks that cost (in the sense as explained above) equals value. That is, of course, not necessarily the case. In fact, modern economies rely heavily on this inequality. If in real life cost were equal to value, nobody would relax or procreate or… you get the point. Whole industries would vanish, ArenaNet among them.

In game it is the same. Sometimes I like to stroll through a non-completed map on an alt of mine, harvesting, doing vistas and hearts and do a lot of other inefficient things. That is a loss, in-game-economically speaking, because I could hunt champions in the same time and buy a lot more of the mats I just harvested. But while I lose in terms of opportunity costs, as OP correctly described, I gain value: I have a good time.

So this is not a debate about right or wrong. It is a misunderstanding about the subject you debate about.

I was not necessarily saying that the OP was wrong. Yes, everything has an opportunity cost; however not everyone thinks like this. It’s a perspective, which was my point. Just because people don’t think in terms of opportunity cost, and therefore consider gathered mats “free” (note the quotes there), does not make them wrong either.

Astralporing.1957:

Except, as i said before, the very same reasoning can be applied directly to gold. In which case we would get statements like “no, this item priced at 200 g doesn’t cost 200g, because all the money for it i got during the normal gameplay, therefore it was completely free”.
200g is not free, no matter how easy getting it would be.

Yes and no, about applying it directly to gold. This is not quite the same issue. Just like people talking about crafting to make money is not the same issue.

It’s like comparing a small business to a hobby that’s just for fun. Different things are taken into account for different scenarios.

However, I’m not going to argue it with you because you’re never going to understand. No, I’m not saying you’re dumb, I’m simply saying that your perspective, your mindset, differs from ours. As such, we’re at an impasse.

Woo I like it!

Hm… the short list… or the long one? Choices, choices…

Things I like, in no particular order:
The attention to detail
Scenery
Random npc dialogs (newlyweds in Gendarran Fields crack me up every time)
Downscaling (!!!!!)
Living Story (still a little rough, but still like it)
Freedom to roam whenever, wherever (please note, I didn’t say I survived, just that the ability is there)
Ambient sounds (on most maps)
DE’s (yes, I’m insane)

I think I’ll stop with the short list…

Gems don’t expire, so it won’t hurt to simply hang onto them until you find something you absolutely ‘must have.’

Although, I find bank tabs to be a sound investment. (At least a few).
As well as extra bag slots on main characters.
The unlimited tools are nice as well (keep in mind they soulbind once equipped, so make sure you put it on the right char).

Additionally, extra character slots, if you feel the desire to have 1 of each class.

I haven’t heard anything to the contrary as yet.

K.I.S.S

It can be applied to so many things…

I can’t really say that I miss it all that much, and they could mimic some of it in GW2 without implementing a mana pool. For example, they could give an ele’s meteor shower more damage, and re-add the knock down. Just reduce its duration slightly and up the cool down timer.

Energy management wasn’t hard (at least to me) in GW1, whether I was SF eleing in pve, or Control Mes in pvp, or monking in either. Plenty of available options for recouping spent, reducing cost, hiding to coutner e-denial, etc.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Well I don’t know what to say. I tried to use rational reasoning to show that materials are really just money, but you suggest that all that matters is the person’s perspective of value, even if that perspective is completly biased in the rational sense? Hm, you may be right, it feels better and more fun to craft the item using the materials you gathered yourself and so on*. Thus, you get more enjoyment out of the game if you gather the materials yourself and so it makes sense to do so. I quess it’s really just a matter of perspective after all.
Though, it still doesn’t really justify the claim “I gathered the mats so it was free” now that I think of it :/.

Hasn’t anyone ever told you that being logical and rational doesn’t work with women? I joke…

Back on topic, your logic is sound. For you and for many others, I’m sure. I won’t argue that. But for many, they look at gathering materials similarly to how someone may look at a family heirloom. It may or may not have significant monetary value, but to them it doesn’t matter, because the sentimental value makes it priceless. In this case, we know the materials have a monetary value, in some cases a significant monetary value; however the players that look at the materials in the way we arguing about don’t care because it’s not about the money.

I believe you could also infuse them differently and still use them, but I’m not certain. I know people have done this with rings….

Master of Timespace.2548:

The essence of the discussion should be here: Why are the materials somehow differend from the gold they make during playing “normally”?

They aren’t, just the person’s perspective on their value is.

Since the intent is to use them, to people that gather their own mats during what they consider enjoyable play, materials cost less than what they would need to purchase the same quantity on the TP. Its cheaper to grab the tool and gather as you play (where you’re also earning money through drops and in straight coin, recouping that tool cost) than it is to just buy it off the TP.

Does it change what they could make from the TP is they chose to sell them? No. Does it change how much it would cost if they bought the armor instead of crafting it? No. If what they wanted was even for sale.

But the real question is: do they care? Again no, because their perspective is that it was just simpler, cheaper, easier to grab the mats as they played and make it themself.

It’s ok that you don’t understand, you’re not alone in that. What and how people view the value of items depends a lot on personal perspective.