Guild Wars 2

They are account bound. Just like legendary and ascended items.

The old soulbound ones can be traded in for the account bound version:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Black_Lion_Weapons_Specialist#Unlimited_gathering_tools

Unless you are saying buy it and get 1 on every character (like the temp banker golem for the deluxe core purchase), in which case…no.

foxyroxy.9521:

I bought a mining tool years ago and I love them but decided I’d never buy another one until it’s account bound and not soulbound. For that much money, it needs to be for all your toons and not just one.

First, they are all account bound (thus the price increase to 1k from 800 gems)

Second, the old soulbound ones can be traded in for an account bound version of it if you want.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Black_Lion_Weapons_Specialist#Unlimited_gathering_tools

BrotherBelial.3094:

Another “I’m too lazy to play the game” thread. It takes no time at all to grab waypoints. I grabbed every non HoT HC in around 6 hours with my rev. It would take a lot less to grab the important waypoints in game. If you want it, go get it. Stop being lazy and asking people to do the work for you. Next thing you’ll be asking for is a a button you press that will instantly kill any mob you encounter, because you’ve killed over 15,000 why should you kill it again?

+1

oshilator.4681:

No.

You want map completion? Go do it.

If mapping in GW2 is such a hassle that you’d be willing to PAY for it to be done, I’d love to see you go map in GW1.

(For the record, I’ve done map completion in GW2 18×.)

Oh dear gods…GW1. cringe

TheNecrosanct.4028:

To the people who believe people should get no rewards whatsoever if WP’s are unlocked.

No rewards whatsoever, despite putting time and effort into it? No rewards, only because 25% of the total is automatically unlocked for you? No rewards because you can get to the places you need to be faster? Toned down rewards, maybe. No rewards, hell no. Almost nobody does anything if there isn’t some kind of reward tied to it, especially if it’s repeatable content. If it’d be an accountwide unlock, that would basically lock everyone who uses it out of creating (more) legendaries. It almost sounds as if people who have done all the work before (several times even, maybe) don’t want others to have a small advantage they didn’t have way back when.

Many of us are not saying no rewards. We are saying remove the map completion reward, which gives:

• Coins (amount scales with the level of the area)
• Experience (10% of level at the time map was completed)
• 2 random pieces of equipment (approximate to level of the area)
• 1 Transmutation Charge or 1 Black Lion Chest Key.
• 40 random crafting materials, 40 Map Currency or 20 random ingredients available in the zone

And remove the world completion reward:

• 2 Gifts of Exploration (for full completion on one character).
• A star next to the character’s name, viewable by other players

Working off the assumption that this is item would be character (not account) specific, and the account wouldn’t have access to it until at least 1 character has map completion the “long” way, then

• The title Been There, Done That, available to all characters on the account, and the corresponding achievement (awarded for map completion counted account-wide)
• The Map Completion Account Medal

would already be achieved and therefore no longer applicable as they are account bound rewards.

And being character specific, it would give the player the option to chase world completion on another character if they needed the gifts for another legendary. The choice, going this route, would always lie with the player.

Players would still get rewards for doing hearts, completing events, killing mobs, etc as per normal play.

Ashen.2907:

Jhoul.6923:

Ayrilana.1396:

Jhoul.6923:

Ayrilana.1396:

Jhoul.6923:

Even if you have the WP, you would still need to do the same boring heart you have done over 5 times.

btw, infinite tools for gathering cost gems, but they save you a LOT of gold of buying tools and the WP you pay to go buy the tools. You get you money’s worth back in a few hours of gathering and after that everything is profit. (If you do the brainless routes of gathering)

Does this give an unfair advantage in the economy to ppl that don’t have infinite tools?

You do not get your money back in a few hours with the infinite gathering tools. They takes much longer than that. Feel free to share the math so I can see how you reached that conclusion because I cannot see how that is possible.

As I said, no part of map/world completion should be bought. Most WP’s will be earned while going for everything else anyway.

Well I made over 300 gold by gathering in less than a month of just doing my daily route (if I would have done mindless gathering I bet I could do more) depending on the conversion I would have paid for it in less than 3 months.

I have been playing since day one… so even if it took me 1 year of regular play time to pay for it while having fun in the game, I have had over 2 years of profit.

You don’t use any profit you made from selling the item you gathered. You only consider the cost of the tools.

I’ll assure you, if the unlimited tool did not give any profit, only loss (considering the cost of everything) NO ONE would buy them.

You are mistaken.

(Some)People buy them fot the convenience of always having an appropriate gathering tool without constantly running back to the merchant. Then there is the cosmetic aspect.

This aptly describes me. I don’t gather for profit per se. I gather because I need the crap for my own use (and I’m super frugal with my gold). I have several sets of the infinite tools (generally I try to make sure the set matches the character’s theme) just for the convenience of not having to carry a crap ton of gathering tools with me (cause I’m not going to use an ori pick where a flipping copper pick is sufficient).

DaikonSamurai.6714:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DaikonSamurai.6714:

Yeah map clearing would be faster but I don’t see how this would be P2W either. Gameplay wise you’d still have to complete the same content anyway. As long as a pre-determined number of map completions is required before getting the item I don’t see why not.

Part of that “still have to complete hearts, etc” component is getting to those things. Having the waypoints available speeds this up significantly. It is an advantage. Considering the “hot is pay to win” crowd, can you image how they would view something like this if it didn’t have any drawbacks?

So while I have no issue with people desiring this issue, there should be drawbacks to this “cheat,” which is essentially what this would be. As you point out, XP is abundant, so obviously just removing that wouldn’t be sufficient.

In addition to that, should it be one item for core, and a different one for HoT, and so on for each new expansion. Seems like the only proper option, especially if this is something people want the ability to “buy” in order to bypass…well, playing.

Making it impossible for a group of players to get as many gifts of exploration seems extreme in the other direction though. Maybe if there were ways to make up for it that would be fine. But then this gets into pondering a hypothetical item that I’d like, but am not frothing at the mouth to get either so… Don’t care to think further lol.

I would imagine it would be one for core, 1 for HoT, etc. as you describe since world map completion only counts for Central Tyria I believe? Might be mistaken on that.

Anet isn’t making the choice though. That falls squarely on the user’s shoulders.

Yes, they are separate completions, so I’d think 1 per as well, but I was opening the floor to discussion on it in general.

DaikonSamurai.6714:

Wait is there a permanent teleport to friend? If so then yeah to a degree I guess. It still makes alts less desirable for many. I only have over 20-ish accounts that are mostly young and I’m not addicted to black lion chest gambling so I’m not drowning in them.

But yeah I’d welcome a perma-teleport to friend item too if that’s not available… Also sorry for quoting you twice haha.

No, I was referring to the single use items. There isn’t a permanent one (as yet).

DaikonSamurai.6714:

Yeah map clearing would be faster but I don’t see how this would be P2W either. Gameplay wise you’d still have to complete the same content anyway. As long as a pre-determined number of map completions is required before getting the item I don’t see why not.

Part of that “still have to complete hearts, etc” component is getting to those things. Having the waypoints available speeds this up significantly. It is an advantage. Considering the “hot is pay to win” crowd, can you image how they would view something like this if it didn’t have any drawbacks?

So while I have no issue with people desiring this issue, there should be drawbacks to this “cheat,” which is essentially what this would be. As you point out, XP is abundant, so obviously just removing that wouldn’t be sufficient.

In addition to that, should it be one item for core, and a different one for HoT, and so on for each new expansion. Seems like the only proper option, especially if this is something people want the ability to “buy” in order to bypass…well, playing.

DaikonSamurai.6714:

Jhoul.6923:

DaikonSamurai.6714:

You’d still have to complete all the hearts, jump to all the vistas, find all the POIs… So you’d still have to cover a lot of the same ground and the same content anyway. Maybe if it were like the jump to lvl 80 item we got in our free shared slot and only unlocked 1 waypoint in maps so you still had to uncover those maps. I’d be fine with all WPs unlocked though if it required you to have done map completion at least once before. Repeating map completion on multiple characters seems kinda silly to me (especially if you’ve done it 10+ times) and doesn’t really prove any accomplishment so I’d be fine with an item like this.

You get me, that is exactly what I mean, they could even add a requirement where you have to it more than X amount of times for it to be unlocked.

But I consider others that have done more than 3 times martyrs.

This game is fun, but not that fun; and unlocking the WP will still require ppl to play over 100 hours on map completion to get the gift of exploration.

Yeah, multiple map completions would work for me too. I think as is, it just punishes altaholics and hinders getting to your friends and guildies with alts. An item like you describe would promote people playing together and make purchasing additional character slots more palatable imo.

Teleport to Friend.

Problem solved. I suppose they could just sell these things directly in the gemstore. Although, I tend to get plenty from my odd ball black lion chests. You get also get 5 from each 3rd birthday present and 5 from the lvl 80 boost too.

Edit: I’m an alt-a-holic myself. Sitting at 40ish characters between my 2 accounts. I don’t necessarily enjoy mapping either, unless I’m specifically in the mood for it. However, I have no issues running to where I need to be to meet up with people, or popping one of these. Its not like it’s time consuming. You can run from one side of the “world” to the other in like 15 minutes.

I agree with Ayrilana, if an item comes into the game which grants the unlocking of WPs either for the account or for a specific character, and you opt to use it, then you should automatically negate your right to map / world completion rewards.

1) You should get none of the XP normally granted for discovering those WPs, because you didn’t discover them
2) Being able to waypoint around grants a significant advantage regarding both time and effort when clearing a map

I have this issue a lot in HoT maps as well.

My husband and I will get the pop ups, over and over again, and if we opt to take the thing, we end up on a map with fewer people. So, typically we ignore it and just continue playing. I don’t think any of the maps we were on ever actually “closed,” but they did seem to end up with fewer and fewer people, so we eventually gave up and left anyway.

My husband is extremely frustrated with the HoT maps. I have a lot more patience, but I understand his frustration. He just wants to “play the game” and in the HoT maps, that’s very hard to do if you aren’t on a populated map. He doesn’t like having to jump through a crap load of hoops to just play, and for someone like him…watching timers, finding lfg taxis, etc etc, are annoying hoops. He doesn’t play a lot, or for long hours. He just wants to log in, play a bit, and then go about the rest of his day. HoT is super unfriendly to these types of players, and is drastically different than what the core game was (or even what the game is advertised as being to this day).

My EU account isn’t built (like I haven’t even chosen a server haha). However, I understand what you mean. I basically just do the easy treks for guild favor (5 locations, use wiki for little maps and quick waypoints, super easy if you have world completion), and I can usually goad my husband into helping me with the medium trek. That was enough to at least get us started.

Wasn’t it mentioned in one of the recent AMA’s that build templates were something they were looking into? And that they would first come for WvW, and then (depend on how things went) make their way into PvP?

Since we know they are working on large-ish overhauls for WvW, I suppose we could potentially (maybe) see the first implementation of templates by the end of the year. (Don’t hold your breath though)

Sird.4536:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Sird.4536:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Vinceman.4572:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

You might want to take a step back on slinging that “lazy” term around. The vast majority of players no not use the forums. And players do ask questions, here and in game, and do you know what people tell them? Go wiki it. Go youtube it. Go research it. There is a reason people stop bothering after a while. Its the exact same kitten we saw in dungeons and in fractals.

Sorry, but to use youtube, the wiki, doing “research” on google, look for guides is what you have to do. You won’t get everything from the silver plate. Same thing like in real life. If you have a guild it can help in every aspect of the game. There is so much information out there, we are playing an online game so the rest of the big internet is just some klicks away. Why can’t people explore for themselves or just use simple guides which explain very much faster and better how to get certain things done?
And do you know how hard and often frustrating it is to teach decent or bad players some of the content like fractals and dungeons? I am helping in my guild in about 25% of my playtime. It’s a thing I like to do but some of those days I am in a bad mood because players cannot listen and react to the simplest things.

Who said anything about asking for anything on a silver kittening platter?

You ask why people can’t read guides and such, lets flip that around. Why can’t people be bothered to help with something as simple as a question in a game that’s supposedly supposed to be “mulitplayer” with a great community? This isn’t a solo RPG where the only available resources are guide books, wikis, and youtube. If people have to resort to those methods and only those methods, why the hell should they bother with a MMO?

Why do you assume they haven’t watched a vid, or read a guide, or checked the wiki? People can do those things and still have questions. Twitch is an excellent example of this. People watch, and learn, and still have questions.

I’ve helped bad players, I know how frustrating it can be. And yet, they can also turn into some of the best people to play with because those people (that want to learn, and know they’re bad) can have some of the best attitudes. Its the ones that suck that don’t want to learn that tend to be the biggest headache.

The same reason why the casuals are complaining about not raiding, Time. If I have time to explain something I will but if I need to move on to my next goal I will either ignore the question in say chat (I don’t ignore those that pm me) or just reply with “wiki it”.

There is not enough information in game to let players know that you can type /wiki(item name or whatever).

If you don’t have time, then move on. There’s no need to be a kitten about it. Trust me, I understand the “time” thing. The problem arises when you have 100+ people in a map and people start being kittens to the question asker and spend as much time harassing the person for asking the question as it would have taken to explain the kitten answer. Or, its a simple question, and ppl kitten “wiki it” and could have given the person the answer they sought in the same amount of time it took them to stick that in there.

I think we sort of got off the specific line of thought pertaining to raids here though. New / first time raiders are going to have questions, especially once they get into the instance. Regardless of watching vids, or reading guides, etc. I would think it would be expected. Yes, those players should not be trying to join “exp only” teams in the LFG tool (which is another topic altogether), but in a ‘normal’ group, I would think that questions would be reasonable. Again, just like dungeons.

Yes, it would be nice if the /wiki command was more common knowledge, but that still isn’t the be all, end all solution.

How is that me being a kitten? Now I am going to be a kitten and say can you read?

The GW2 community can be toxic but I have never seen a person that asks a question getting flamed for doing so. At most people will say “wiki it” or just ignore the question.

As far as asking for help in raids.
If you are new to raids and join a ‘exp’ LFG post then expect to get treated harshly. If you are really interested in getting into raids then the best place is to find a guild. If your time is limited due to real life then reading a guide is the only way to get the knowledge you need. Either way you can still join a guild.

I have said this before LFG groups do not represent the raiding community and people that come on here complaining about said community are doing so because of the treatment they get from these LFGs. Guilds do not behave the same.

Oi! I’m not saying you are necessarily. Though, typically a lot of people that do shout “just wiki it” do tend to be.

I’ve seen it several times in my time here. Seems to happen in LA more than any other map, but I’ve seen it in Kessex and a few others. I’ve seen it here on the forums too, which is…sad. I mean, if you’re going to log in just to rant at someone for asking a question, wouldn’t it have just been easier to answer the question. (That was a general “you” not “you” specifically)

Sird.4536:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Sird.4536:

STIHL.2489:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Yes, it’s just that simple. I don’t think raids are “bad” necessarily, but anytime we get this type of content, in any game, it does seem to bring out the less than savory side of people. It just highlights how terrible a lot of people are.

I have to totally agree with you on this one, It’s weird, and to be honest I have no idea why it happens, but this kind of content really seems to bring out the worst among people as opposed to the best in them, and all it ends up doing is divide up the community, as opposed to bring people together.

Because everyone that can’t do the content comes out complaining and wanting easier content which then brings out the other side saying it’s not hard find a guild or friends.

Many of the people, myself included, that haven’t been able to get into it, or haven’t been able to do it, aren’t asking to make it easier. (We are asking for people to be a bit less kittenhole-ish) You say it’s not hard to find a guild or make friends, and that may be true for you; however, it’s not for all people. Don’t generalize, and don’t judge. You don’t know what they’ve been through or where they are in life.

I only mentioned both sides of the argument. Retread what I wrote and you will see if never generalised or whatever you are accusing me of. Though since you generalised and called me out let me reply in kind.

The people that tend to be ‘kittenhole-ish’ are pug groups. Guild members don’t behave like that and if they do then you are in the wrong guild. I get a feeling that everyone that comes here to complain about elitism is coming on here after a bad pug experience.

If you can’t find a guild or group to raid with because of real life then it isn’t anyone’s fault, you play when you can but those people should not come here to demand content because of it.

The point you missed is that even the people that aren’t whining “make it easier” are getting the flack too. We still get people being kittens, and accuse us of being lazy, etc etc. Thus, the don’t generalize and don’t judge. It wasn’t necessarily directly explicitly “at” you. I use “you” in a general sense a lot, and I probably should qualify it.

And bullkitten, guild members don’t behave that way. I agree, if they do, you may be in the wrong guild. Or maybe, it’s the kitten content that’s trying to be done. I forget which podcast was discussing this in the last couple of weeks, but they were discussing on how a guild member can be an absolutely sweetheart 99% of the time, but as soon as kitten starts going downhill in raids, they turn into essentially a Bridezilla. Not the first time I’ve heard people share such stories (in this game or others).

And again…whose demanding content?

Sird.4536:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Vinceman.4572:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

You might want to take a step back on slinging that “lazy” term around. The vast majority of players no not use the forums. And players do ask questions, here and in game, and do you know what people tell them? Go wiki it. Go youtube it. Go research it. There is a reason people stop bothering after a while. Its the exact same kitten we saw in dungeons and in fractals.

Sorry, but to use youtube, the wiki, doing “research” on google, look for guides is what you have to do. You won’t get everything from the silver plate. Same thing like in real life. If you have a guild it can help in every aspect of the game. There is so much information out there, we are playing an online game so the rest of the big internet is just some klicks away. Why can’t people explore for themselves or just use simple guides which explain very much faster and better how to get certain things done?
And do you know how hard and often frustrating it is to teach decent or bad players some of the content like fractals and dungeons? I am helping in my guild in about 25% of my playtime. It’s a thing I like to do but some of those days I am in a bad mood because players cannot listen and react to the simplest things.

Who said anything about asking for anything on a silver kittening platter?

You ask why people can’t read guides and such, lets flip that around. Why can’t people be bothered to help with something as simple as a question in a game that’s supposedly supposed to be “mulitplayer” with a great community? This isn’t a solo RPG where the only available resources are guide books, wikis, and youtube. If people have to resort to those methods and only those methods, why the hell should they bother with a MMO?

Why do you assume they haven’t watched a vid, or read a guide, or checked the wiki? People can do those things and still have questions. Twitch is an excellent example of this. People watch, and learn, and still have questions.

I’ve helped bad players, I know how frustrating it can be. And yet, they can also turn into some of the best people to play with because those people (that want to learn, and know they’re bad) can have some of the best attitudes. Its the ones that suck that don’t want to learn that tend to be the biggest headache.

The same reason why the casuals are complaining about not raiding, Time. If I have time to explain something I will but if I need to move on to my next goal I will either ignore the question in say chat (I don’t ignore those that pm me) or just reply with “wiki it”.

There is not enough information in game to let players know that you can type /wiki(item name or whatever).

If you don’t have time, then move on. There’s no need to be a kitten about it. Trust me, I understand the “time” thing. The problem arises when you have 100+ people in a map and people start being kittens to the question asker and spend as much time harassing the person for asking the question as it would have taken to explain the kitten answer. Or, its a simple question, and ppl kitten “wiki it” and could have given the person the answer they sought in the same amount of time it took them to stick that in there.

I think we sort of got off the specific line of thought pertaining to raids here though. New / first time raiders are going to have questions, especially once they get into the instance. Regardless of watching vids, or reading guides, etc. I would think it would be expected. Yes, those players should not be trying to join “exp only” teams in the LFG tool (which is another topic altogether), but in a ‘normal’ group, I would think that questions would be reasonable. Again, just like dungeons.

Yes, it would be nice if the /wiki command was more common knowledge, but that still isn’t the be all, end all solution.

Sird.4536:

STIHL.2489:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Yes, it’s just that simple. I don’t think raids are “bad” necessarily, but anytime we get this type of content, in any game, it does seem to bring out the less than savory side of people. It just highlights how terrible a lot of people are.

I have to totally agree with you on this one, It’s weird, and to be honest I have no idea why it happens, but this kind of content really seems to bring out the worst among people as opposed to the best in them, and all it ends up doing is divide up the community, as opposed to bring people together.

Because everyone that can’t do the content comes out complaining and wanting easier content which then brings out the other side saying it’s not hard find a guild or friends.

Many of the people, myself included, that haven’t been able to get into it, or haven’t been able to do it, aren’t asking to make it easier. (We are asking for people to be a bit less kittenhole-ish) You say it’s not hard to find a guild or make friends, and that may be true for you; however, it’s not for all people. Don’t generalize, and don’t judge. You don’t know what they’ve been through or where they are in life.

Vinceman.4572:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

You might want to take a step back on slinging that “lazy” term around. The vast majority of players no not use the forums. And players do ask questions, here and in game, and do you know what people tell them? Go wiki it. Go youtube it. Go research it. There is a reason people stop bothering after a while. Its the exact same kitten we saw in dungeons and in fractals.

Sorry, but to use youtube, the wiki, doing “research” on google, look for guides is what you have to do. You won’t get everything from the silver plate. Same thing like in real life. If you have a guild it can help in every aspect of the game. There is so much information out there, we are playing an online game so the rest of the big internet is just some klicks away. Why can’t people explore for themselves or just use simple guides which explain very much faster and better how to get certain things done?
And do you know how hard and often frustrating it is to teach decent or bad players some of the content like fractals and dungeons? I am helping in my guild in about 25% of my playtime. It’s a thing I like to do but some of those days I am in a bad mood because players cannot listen and react to the simplest things.

Who said anything about asking for anything on a silver kittening platter?

You ask why people can’t read guides and such, lets flip that around. Why can’t people be bothered to help with something as simple as a question in a game that’s supposedly supposed to be “mulitplayer” with a great community? This isn’t a solo RPG where the only available resources are guide books, wikis, and youtube. If people have to resort to those methods and only those methods, why the hell should they bother with a MMO?

Why do you assume they haven’t watched a vid, or read a guide, or checked the wiki? People can do those things and still have questions. Twitch is an excellent example of this. People watch, and learn, and still have questions.

I’ve helped bad players, I know how frustrating it can be. And yet, they can also turn into some of the best people to play with because those people (that want to learn, and know they’re bad) can have some of the best attitudes. Its the ones that suck that don’t want to learn that tend to be the biggest headache.

Envy.1679:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Envy.1679:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Why is this necessary?
Because you can’t be bothered to vendor them?
What would this new rune / sigil gobbler give in return? More junk? Oh goodie (not).

How about we just add an option at the merchant to sell all runes / sigils akin to what you’re suggesting as options on this new item. Wouldn’t that be sufficient?

So you’d rather go to a vendor instead of having it in your inventory all the time?

I go to a vendor now. It’s not like there aren’t vendors all over the darn place. The only real exception to that is WvW.

There really wouldn’t be any point to carrying this new item in my inventory because it’d be clogging it back up with more junk for feeding it the junk sigils and runes. I suppose yay for more salvaging, except when (like the other eaters) it gives me something grey and I have to go to the vendor anyway.

I just don’t see the suggestion as a QoL improvement.

I updated my post, doesnt look like I did it before you posted this.

Also “clogging it back up with junk” Where did you get that idea? I didn’t suggest anything like that anywhere in this thread whatsoever.

No I didn’t see the update, yes I responded before the update.

In regards to the wallet, I think I was on board with that one to some extent. I didn’t feel it was something negative, depending on how it was done. However, that’s neither here nor there regarding this topic.

You are suggesting a new gem store feature. I am questioning the purpose of that feature and whether or not it can be achieved via another (potentially more viable) method.

No, your suggestion didn’t say anything about giving anything in return for eating the sigils / runes; however, I really don’t know anyone that is going to buy an item that is going to eat their items and give them nothing in return when they can vendor them for at least a few copper (as inconvenient as they might think it is. C’mon, people post kitten on the TP for 1 copper more than vendor price which says they very much care about getting those coppers). They are going to expect / want / demand something. At which point, if it works akin to Princess and such, you’re just going to reclog your inventory with junk, resulting in you going to a vendor anyway.

I am, in a sense, trying to suss out the full thought process behind your item and how it might (or might not) fit.

STIHL.2489:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

You know…some of us said this kitten would happen if raiding ever came into the game. We expressed this concern. Even cited the asinine requirements not just from GW2 dungeons (because we already saw issues with this), but all the way back to issues we saw in GW1 and other games too.

We got shouted down. Guess what… we told you so.

There is a good chance you are 100% correct, that you did warn them, and that simply means that you care about the game, and the community, however, one of things I learned from the many years of playing MMO’s, is that it’s the company’s game, not ours, and as much as we might try to steer the boat, it’s their game, and that means, it’s theirs to screw up.

One of the most glaring things about HoT, was this move to make a massive re-direction from how the original game was built and designed, the zones, the mobs, everything was a planned direction change, it was not a mistake on their part to do what they did.. and as you said, you warned them, so, it could become a mistake, because it might have very negative results, but, it was the direction they wanted to go in.

Which brings me to something else I learned. When a MMO goes in a direction that you don’t want to follow, the best thing you can do is.. Don’t Follow.

It’s a game, if you are not having fun, you don’t look forward to logging in and playing the game, the worst thing you can do, is keep playing.

I understand that urge to at least say something, it means you care, it means the game matters to you, and that you feel that it is worth fighting for it, but, its not your game, it’s not my game, and it’s not the “raiders on this forums” game, it’s Arenanet’s game.

I do not mean this in any way to be rude, in fact, I mean this is in the most polite and positive way I can say it, never play a game past the post of being fun, If you are unhappy with the way they are going, then maybe it’s time to find some place else where you will be happier and have more fun.

You won’t change anything arguing with the people on this forum, they won’t listen, and all you will do is frustrate yourself.

I’m well aware it Anet’s game. It’s something I’ve pointed out many times myself. That said, I think we influence it more than a lot of people think. I wholeheartedly believe we got kitten like fractals, ascended, and raids all due to how loudly people whined for those things.

Just because I don’t necessarily agree with some of the choices made, or with particular implementation methods, doesn’t mean I don’t still enjoy the game. If I get to the point where I don’t, then I’ll stop playing. Yes, it’s just that simple. I don’t think raids are “bad” necessarily, but anytime we get this type of content, in any game, it does seem to bring out the less than savory side of people. It just highlights how terrible a lot of people are. Its frustrating. Its sad. Makes me fight that much harder to pound some sense into people.

I suppose it’s a good thing that I enjoy arguing with people. Otherwise, yes, it would just frustrate me.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

No, there’s nothing stopping them, and we see people do it.

And then wait….
and wait….
and wait….
and wait….

So much fun right?
“if you hate traditional MMORPGs, then you should really check out Guild Wars 2. Because, like Guild Wars before it, GW2 doesn’t fall into the traps of traditional MMORPGs”…“it doesn’t make you spend hours preparing to have fun rather than just having fun”

Its UW all over again. Yippy.

What’s stopping them from joining raiding guilds or the introductory raid guilds? There are quite a few looking for players to teach on the forums, this sounds more like laziness on the players part or wanting to be carried, there are also pugs that don’t ask for requirements other than proper gear and spec.

There are a lot of different options available people tend to only point out the negative selections. Just saying I don’t raid all that much yet when I came back to the game after months of HoT being released I was able to raid with pugs no problem then I joined a guild that casually raids and also provides training raids for others.

You are judging a community based on PuGs which doesn’t make up the majority of the raiding community.

I’m not saying there aren’t options. Never have. I will point out that just because there are options, doesn’t mean they necessarily work either. Beyond that, that’s sort of beyond the scope of the topic of the thread, which is more the attitudes of the community at large as opposed to accessibility. Granted, attitudes do affect accessibility for a lot of people, but accessibility is a larger topic.

You might want to take a step back on slinging that “lazy” term around. The vast majority of players no not use the forums. And players do ask questions, here and in game, and do you know what people tell them? Go wiki it. Go youtube it. Go research it. There is a reason people stop bothering after a while. Its the exact same kitten we saw in dungeons and in fractals.

No, I am not basing my opinions solely on “pugs” per se, considering I have interacted with more than a few of the “non casual” raiders. (Your definition, and mine may vary regarding casual vs non casual. I simply consider anyone that does the raids regularly with some efficiency to be “non casual.” They aren’t necessary hard core min-max do it as fast as humanly possibly type players) Some are decent people, more than “a few” are not. I work with what my I see, hear, read, and experience. I do try to step back and take a broader view than just he said, she said. I do not raid personally, though its not for lack of interest or attempts. My schedule just doesn’t mesh with anyone it seems.

Envy.1679:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Why is this necessary?
Because you can’t be bothered to vendor them?
What would this new rune / sigil gobbler give in return? More junk? Oh goodie (not).

How about we just add an option at the merchant to sell all runes / sigils akin to what you’re suggesting as options on this new item. Wouldn’t that be sufficient?

So you’d rather go to a vendor instead of having it in your inventory all the time?

I go to a vendor now. It’s not like there aren’t vendors all over the darn place. The only real exception to that is WvW.

There really wouldn’t be any point to carrying this new item in my inventory because it’d be clogging it back up with more junk for feeding it the junk sigils and runes. I suppose yay for more salvaging, except when (like the other eaters) it gives me something grey and I have to go to the vendor anyway.

I just don’t see the suggestion as a QoL improvement.

No, there’s nothing stopping them, and we see people do it.

And then wait….
and wait….
and wait….
and wait….

So much fun right?
“if you hate traditional MMORPGs, then you should really check out Guild Wars 2. Because, like Guild Wars before it, GW2 doesn’t fall into the traps of traditional MMORPGs”…“it doesn’t make you spend hours preparing to have fun rather than just having fun”

Its UW all over again. Yippy.

NikeEU.7690:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

We got shouted down. Guess what… we told you so.

Guess what… raids are awesome and fun and you aren’t doing them because of the self-imposed boundaries and limitations you put onto yourself.

Oh I’m sure they are fun. With the right people.

However, as this thread highlights, a lot of people are also the problem. This thread highlights that because of those people, other people that might otherwise like to do them, can’t or won’t do them, which has nothing to do with “self imposed” boundaries or limitations and everything to do with too many kittenholes.

We had the exact same issues with dungeons.
And then with fractals.

Sort of depends on my mood at the time I’m playing.

Over the weekend, my enjoyment was farming my tail off for materials to upgrade my guild hall (and here I thought I once had plenty of elder wood. ha!).

Last night, it was running around doing the new events and working through achievements.

This morning, it was working on some ascended acquisition.

Last week, it was pretty much Fractals that I was enjoying (even started working on the back piece).

Tonight…who knows.

Why is this necessary?
Because you can’t be bothered to vendor them?
What would this new rune / sigil gobbler give in return? More junk? Oh goodie (not).

How about we just add an option at the merchant to sell all runes / sigils akin to what you’re suggesting as options on this new item. Wouldn’t that be sufficient?

You know…some of us said this kitten would happen if raiding ever came into the game. We expressed this concern. Even cited the asinine requirements not just from GW2 dungeons (because we already saw issues with this), but all the way back to issues we saw in GW1 and other games too.

We got shouted down. Guess what… we told you so.

Still wouldn’t be sufficient Lyp. Gotta plan for the least common denominator. Its sad, and yes it’s probably mean, but that doesn’t make it any less true.

sanctuary.1068:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I dont really considering a pvp season to be “content.” At least, not in the vein that most people use that term.

We should have LS3 sometimes in…..July did they say? sigh Couple months to go…

I dont care id be happy if they brought some old living world 1 stuff back, as long as we get something.

You know…I’ve heard people say that before….

Randulf.7614:

Judging by the small piece of content yesterday, expect little titbits until then. Hopefully even a festival. Maybe Gauntlet or a revamped Dragon Bash.

That however is speculation. We know LS3 is summer so expect that to be the next content and if more comes along, bonus.

A festival would be nice. Don’t think they could really slide anything in without some work though. But maybe. I know a lot of people wouldn’t even be happy with that though.

I dont really considering a pvp season to be “content.” At least, not in the vein that most people use that term.

We should have LS3 sometimes in…..July did they say? sigh Couple months to go…

Considering the number of threads we’ve already had regarding accidentally salvaging kitten even with that get of jail free pop up?

Even if they added a checkbox to optionally turn it off. You just know someone is going to “accidentally” check it, and then kitten that they salvaged something that they didn’t want to, and there was no warning, blah blah. Just look at how often people mis-click stuff now. Its the whole reason they had to give people the option to move the “compact” option.

So….Nope. Leave it.

Stop
Cease
Desist

UGH

/No!

Essentially the OP is just asking for the equivalent of a gathering booster built into the infinite items. Which, I would be fine if they did; however, it should not stack with the booster so players can’t double up the bonuses. It wouldn’t technically be pay to win, considering how easily players can get boosters just through general play (I think I have like 100 of the kitten things). Its just a tad more convenient not having to remember to pop the consumable every hour.

I never could bring myself to part with that many ectos for gloves in GW1. Wasn’t sure if I liked how they look either (then, or now). We’ll see.

I’m happy to help as well if I’m around (Eastern time, evenings and weekends). Feel free to drop me a line.

LimitBreaker.4165:

Why was this not announced????!! I want my hard earned gold back…

Thats explained in the 2nd paragraph

So I need to start chucking rare shields into the Forge then? Is that what Im hearing?

Little Leota.5849:

That being said, there are a lot of good people out there who’d be happy to point you in the right direction.

Far fewer, sadly, then there used to be it seems. Hell, I just got into an argument with people here on the forums regarding helping people out. Not sure when asking questions (especially on the forums none the less) became such an offensive thing. I see way too much of the “go look it up” “do your research” type of responses. Its very sad.

“End game” is what you make it darlin.

No, it’s not about “gearing up” unless that’s what you want to do. You want to chase ascended or legendary gear? Cool.

Its not explicitly about dungeons, fractals, or raids unless (again) that’s what you want it to be. For some people, end game is going to play in WvW, or playing PvP, or even just playing the TP.

The game offers a lot of carrots, with legendaries being the king of all carrots (whether that be a weapon, the armor, or one of the back pieces). Anet made the statement years ago that “the entire game is end game” and personally, I feel that still holds true. Your end game is whatever the hell you want it to be, whatever you make it to be. Because of that, it really can’t hold you by the hand and walk you to it.

Murderin.8269:

nottsgman.8206:

what profession are you playing with?

I have a level 80 Warrior, Guardian, Thief, Necromancer. And Revenant, which I have the least issues surviving on. But it is a very boring playstyle. They are all in full zerker gear, except the Necro which isn’t really geared yet.

Its mostly Silverwaste/HoT stuff that I have survivability issues on.

I don’t have any issues on my Necro, which runs a mix of Zerk and Viper right now.

Thief, I had some issues with, so I dropped Valk on her. The larger health pool seemed to fix my issue with survivability. I’m planning on upgrading her to Marauder and seeing how it goes.

I run zerk on both guard and warrior with few issues, granted I don’t farm SW with them. You could try Valk or Marauder to see if that helps you.

Part of your issue with thief and guard may be that they have small health pools by default (like ele’s). Only 11,645 base hp at lvl 80. Makes it much less forgiving of errors.

I never could stand Helseth. “Persona” or not, being a giant kitten isn’t even remotely entertaining, at least not for me. So, can’t say that I’m sad to see him stop…cause, well, I’m not.

As for his reasons why, just sounds like excuses and scapegoating to me. People do watch streams to learn and ask questions, to get opinions and suggestions. I see it all the time in the streams I hang out in. Maybe he doesn’t see it / get this type of interaction in the crowd he draws for….reasons…

As for no solo q….. sigh

STIHL.2489:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Yes, we indeed have had complaints about this issue. I’m glad its never bothered you, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Classic “I haven’t seen it, therefore it doesn’t exist” syndrome.

Pretty much, yah,What do you want me to say? I haven’t had any issues with it, so I can’t relate that it’s a problem, that’s just life.

You didn’t need to say anything. I’m sure there are lots of people that have never had an issue with it. Like I said, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

STIHL.2489:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

It’s one I almost always run into. I just…don’t enjoy staring at some creature’s rump.

If the mounts are Cosmetic, this is a non-issue, You don’t need to get them if youdon’t want them.

I didn’t mean I was looking at the creature’s rump because it was mine. I was referring to other people being in the way. Has nothing to do with me wanting or not wanting them. Them being in my face is something I have 0 control over in regards to others.

STIHL.2489:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Hell, we have issues with people using tonics and intentionally trolling people by stacking on event NPCs and such. I can only imagine what they’d do if you gave them mounts to do that kitten with.

We do? I have haven’t had this happen, simply because we Auto-target NPC’s, with the F to talk ability as opposed to needing to click on them, Moto being a prime example of an NPC that no one saw till the event was over. LOL.

Yes, we indeed have had complaints about this issue. I’m glad its never bothered you, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Classic “I haven’t seen it, therefore it doesn’t exist” syndrome.

Einlanzer.1627:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Einlanzer.1627:

make it feel more immersive.

Yes….staring at some random animal’s kitten is soooo immersive while trying to get the to NPC they are standing on, in, or otherwise in the way of.

/sarcasm off

That’s… really not that much of a problem in other MMOs.

It’s one I almost always run into. I just…don’t enjoy staring at some creature’s rump. Whether I’m trying to get to an NPC, or if I’m just standing around and someone decides they want to be a jerk. Hell, we have issues with people using tonics and intentionally trolling people by stacking on event NPCs and such. I can only imagine what they’d do if you gave them mounts to do that kitten with.

Einlanzer.1627:

make it feel more immersive.

Yes….staring at some random animal’s kitten is soooo immersive while trying to get the to NPC they are standing on, in, or otherwise in the way of.

/sarcasm off

Hello and welcome back!

I’d be more than happy to hang out, maybe answer some questions or give you some pointers where I can. Are you NA or EU, and when do you typically play?

I don’t use Skype, but I do use Discord.

Feel free to add me to your friends list and poke me if you see me online.

Lol, well… I guess they parred the course.

Kinda meh on it personally. But I’m not an economy buff.

msalakka.4653:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Jake Orion.2049:

PvE and WvW updates are well received, but the PvP forum is absolutely livid on just about everything.

No matter what you do, it seems you can never please that player base.

Par for the course I guess.

The only issue I have (at this time) is the duration nerf for Infusing Terror. It seems to be my only reliable source of Stab on a necro. I don’t carry well of power in my builds, and Chilled to the Bone (which means no Plague or Lich) is hit and miss on the stab it’s supposed to provide. My only alternative is to sacrifice Death Perception for Foot in the Grave. That’s not an acceptable alternative.

I suppose when you play one of the most broken classes in the game, the “issues” aren’t that plentiful.

I was referring to having issues with the changes. I’m well aware Necro needed some tweaking. We’ll see if they over did it though (which would be par for the course honestly).

..got it’s very first, exclusive armor set! (Did I call that or what?)

“new WvW-exclusive Triumphant armor set”

Woot. Woot.

Jake Orion.2049:

PvE and WvW updates are well received, but the PvP forum is absolutely livid on just about everything.

No matter what you do, it seems you can never please that player base.

Par for the course I guess.

The only issue I have (at this time) is the duration nerf for Infusing Terror. It seems to be my only reliable source of Stab on a necro. I don’t carry well of power in my builds, and Chilled to the Bone (which means no Plague or Lich) is hit and miss on the stab it’s supposed to provide. My only alternative is to sacrifice Death Perception for Foot in the Grave. That’s not an acceptable alternative.