Guild Wars 2

Scrambles.2604:

Maybe i just missed it. I remember before ascended armor was released, people would complain that it was going to ruin WvW. Now that it is released i haven’t seen any of that sort of discussion (because ascended armor had no effect on WvW).

Meh, people still claim that you can’t “properly” WvW unless you have ascended. The argument about the necessity (or lack) of Ascended is still ongoing and crops up here and there.

But, yeah plenty of threads still, complaining about it.

zoejo.2317:

Same. It’s the best thing to do, but unfortunately not really a visible measure that will discourage others, or clean the map chat for that matter – which is a main aspect of the problem.
As arejeidi suggested above, there needs to be a solution that won’t remove the trains from the game (since some people run them peacefully) but instead promote a friendlier attitude.

/Agreed

Just have no clue what that might be, myself. Obviously they can’t change reporting to do anything immediately (woo boy that could be abused terribly), and has to wait to be reviewed. Food for thought I suppose…

Scrambles.2604:

who complains about ascended? I remember a lot of resistance before it came out, but now that it’s here i didn’t realize there were any issues with it.

chokes on her soda

You’re joking right? Please tell me you’re joking…

Did you miss the vertical progression cdi thread a couple of months back that turned into an almost completely ascended discussion?

People still kitten about ascended in threads on here on what seems like a freaking weekly basis. Obviously the change on the 15th to account bound helped some (I think), but people are still kitteny about what it takes to acquire it

Edit: actually, thinking about it, there was just one in the crafting forum earlier in the week, griping about laurels being required in ascended crafting…

zoejo.2317:

I don’t run trains so I guarantee the champs are not what I find annoying.
I agree that “people need to step in”. Hopefully Anet staff, since reasonable responses from players usually just trigger more insults.

It was a general you, not a you specifically statement.

I don’t typically see anyone with the anet tag out in QD, though I know that doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Still, if a regular person intervening causes insults to increase, then personally, I just report them.

Phadde.7362:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Phadde.7362:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

And you think I would have still gotten that if I hadn’t

1) been anti-duel?
2) been actively participating in this thread?

Suuuuuure. If just the topic brings such actions out in people, I really don’t have much of a positive view of how those same people would use such a ‘tool’ in game.

Since when do we let vile people and trolls decide how the game should develop?

One word…… Ascended.

I don’t think that’s a sufficient answer.

Lol you may not, but there are threads and threads on that topic that support my answer quite nicely.

While it is true that we should not let trolls dictate our lives and how we play, it is also true that not always are player suggestions the best ones for the game either.

zoejo.2317:

cakesphere.5910:

I wouldn’t need to champ train if they’d add more end-game pve options.

Just saiyan

The OP wasn’t complaining about running trains in itself. It’s people’s entitled attitude and general offensive behavior that’s the problem.

Well, we have issues with that everywhere. In game, and out. It only becomes apparent because like tends to congregate with like.

I agree with the OP, in the context that if the people in the QD train are being kittens it could leave a negative impression on a new player. However, that’s when other people need to step in and slap them down for being kittens. No reason to get your panties in a bunch over a champ or two, imo.

Scrambles.2604:

But the anti-dueling camp seems like they will not be satisfied with any additional features being added to the game unless there is absolutely no chance it will lead to abuse/harassment…which is completely unrealistic.

Of course, this probably depends on whether they see value in the feature being added, then the risk of harassment becomes a little more acceptable.

Some, yeah sure, of course. Some people have had some really terrible experiences with it and simply enjoy playing a game where they don’t have to deal with it. I can understand that they don’t want to see it implemented.

Beyond that, some people are GW1 vets, and it didn’t have dueling and did just fine. Some would like to see the continuance of that trend.

Just because its a common feature in ‘every other mmo’ does not necessarily mean it has to be part of all of them. Dare to be different.

Others just want to be sure that additional tools and such are implemented / adjusted to handle and curtail abuse of such a feature. And it would be be abused… just like the LFG is abused, and the TP is abused. Its sad, but it’s true that if people can find a way to abuse and exploit something, they will. Obviously there is no way to completely eliminate the possibility of harassment, but actions can be taken to keep it controlled.

I have no issue with the QD champ train, for the most part. Sometimes I tag along, sometimes I disrupt it (usually when they’re being a bunch of kittens).

The only time I take exception to it, is when they start being kittens to people that are simply playing the game.

Play and let play. To each their own.

Phadde.7362:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

And you think I would have still gotten that if I hadn’t

1) been anti-duel?
2) been actively participating in this thread?

Suuuuuure. If just the topic brings such actions out in people, I really don’t have much of a positive view of how those same people would use such a ‘tool’ in game.

Since when do we let vile people and trolls decide how the game should develop?

One word…… Ascended.

Scrambles.2604:

Please be reasonable. You get one rude message and ah ha! This is exactly how thing will be when duels are implemented! This one person on the forums represents the entire GW2 community!

I’m not basing anything off a single rude, abusive pm. I am basing it off of:

-actions I have already seen in game
-actions I have seen in games that do have dueling implemented
-actions and comments of the ‘pro dueling’ crowd on these forums across a variety of threads, including this one
-the actions and comments of some of the general forum populace
-and now the addition of the pm

Honestly, based on just basic observation of actions and attitudes in our game, it is my opinion that our concern for the abuse of such a feature is quite justified.

Obviously, you feel otherwise. We’ll leave it at that.

Scrambles.2604:

I don’t know why you got the private message. If you’re asking me to speculate, i would guess it would have less to do with being anti-duel and more to do with being unwilling to make concessions. I don’t want that to sound rude cuz personally i got no issue with you. I mean sometimes i feel like i’m talking to a wall but i do respect your perseverance.

If forum posts were predictors of in game activity:

People would only play warriors
Everybody would have ~500 gold
Everyone would be expert TP flippers
WvW would be dominated by a small group of fully ascended geared people
sPvP would be a ghost town
no one would play thieves, but also thieves would be invincible.

So, you can keep referring to forum posts when it supports your argument, i wont stop you. But more often then not, the forums represent the thoughts of the same dozen people that post in the same thread, and not the players actually playing the game.

sigh

It’s like talking to a stump…

Whatever, carry on.

More races, sure. Tengu, just for the hell of it. Kodan to take us to Jormag. Largos to take us to Bubbles.

More professions? No thanks. Lets balance the 8 we have, and then just work on improving them – more weapons, more skills, more traits. That will create enough to continually balance for the team.

Scrambles.2604:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DaShi.1368:

He’s already been reported, but I’m not going to post other people’s pms. If you choose not to believe me, that’s your choice. Dueling just brings out the worst in people. The way you treat others in this thread demonstrates this further.

I got one of these as well yesterday. He titled it ‘your post was infracted’ (no it wasn’t from a mod) and followed it up with ‘for being a kitten kitten carebear.’ I should have screenied it, sadly I did not and it has since been removed (as I did report his sorry kitten.

But hey, we’re just scared, whiny PvEers, blowing everything out of proportion and have no grounds for our concerns.

That sucks :/

Although, it kind of goes with what i’ve been saying all along. Jerk players don’t need duels to act like jerks. So, yes, you are still blowing the effects of duels out of proportion.

And you think I would have still gotten that if I hadn’t

1) been anti-duel?
2) been actively participating in this thread?

Suuuuuure. If just the topic brings such actions out in people, I really don’t have much of a positive view of how those same people would use such a ‘tool’ in game.

I would use something like this. There have been several times where I have done precisely what the OP is talking about. I see someone go down on the map, and start heading over to help, but don’t make it to them before they die. Just as I get to them to rez or even just after I start rezzing, they waypoint out. Some people miss the ‘a noble soul is healing you’ pop up (I know I have). Might be the color of the text vs the background of the map they are scrolling over. Not sure.

DaShi.1368:

He’s already been reported, but I’m not going to post other people’s pms. If you choose not to believe me, that’s your choice. Dueling just brings out the worst in people. The way you treat others in this thread demonstrates this further.

I got one of these as well yesterday. He titled it ‘your post was infracted’ (no it wasn’t from a mod) and followed it up with ‘for being a kitten kitten carebear.’ I should have screenied it, sadly I did not and it has since been removed (as I did report his sorry kitten.

But hey, we’re just scared, whiny PvEers, blowing everything out of proportion and have no grounds for our concerns.

If subs automatically make a game awesome….

…what the heck happened to ESO? Cause ‘awesome’ has not been a word I’ve heard used to describe it…

/no

Not that this is an accurate representation of the game population in anyway… but I’ll play along

Scrambles.2604:

Cmon Lanfear, don’t be like that. Your concerns have been heard and beaten into the ground along with this zombie horse thread. I have been advocating for open world duels that include:

Auto-decline option (on by default. or off, your choice)
Duel request cooldown – can only request duel certain amount of times before locked out of duel with that person for a period of time to reduce spam.

Both of these tools would go along way to prevent what you fear so vehemently. Otherwise, if the ignore/block/report features got fixed, all of your concerns may be a thing of the past.

You seem to be still playing this game despite the toxicity we occasionally see in every area of the game, and i feel strongly that adding open world duels wont change anything.

And I was, to an extent, leaning in your direction. Obviously the various concerns hold merit or you wouldn’t have made the suggestions you have. Yet you continue to trivialize and tell us that it doesn’t relate to the issue..

Others have voiced the concern that they don’t think Anet would implement it properly, which I also feel is probably accurate. Saddening, but accurate.

I’m not afraid of being harassed. Be it in duels, or dungeons, or wvw, or whatever. It’s frustrating. It’s annoying. This grown woman knows how to retaliate and that shuts most people up. Not all, but most. Unfortunately, it’s also earned me a temp ban a time or two lol. So yeah, not afraid of it. That doesn’t mean I want to encourage it or increase it either though, and there isn’t anything wrong with being concerned about that.

Yes, I play. Like you, I tend to keep to myself… well I try to. I don’t always succeed. I don’t know if open world duels would make things more toxic or not, I can’t see the future. Doesn’t mean there’s no cause for concern though.

Scrambles.2604:

Lanfear, i’m not trying to be rude so no need to get all snippy. We’re all still friends here chatting on the forums instead of working >_>

I agree the block/report features probably needs work. I haven’t really blocked many people besides gold sellers so i don’t have a lot of personal experience with this issue. You seem to be a magnet for trolls or something. I tend to keep to myself and my guild and rarely post in map chat outside of WvW.

Regardless, your concerns are once again about something that is not duels so i am trying my best to keep this train on it’s rails.

I wasn’t being snippy, but I can be if you’d like.

OK fine, my concerns have nothing to do with duels. They aren’t related in any way. You heard him folks. Our concerns aren’t related, they aren’t valid. Don’t warrant discussion or consideration as they aren’t related to the topic. Just like every other time this has come, we don’t agree so we don’t matter.

/vote no on open world duels

Scrambles.2604:

I tried to introduce my friend to GW2. He has a new lvl 5 guardian and wanted to test some PvP. So we head to the mysts. Let me tell you, it is frustrating trying to explain to a brand new player that he needs to go here to get weapons, here to get runes, what runes are, what sigils are, etc.

In any other MMO I couldve just dueled his lvl 5 guardian there where he was questing, where he could use the skills he had just learned and was familiar with. This game lacks any introduction to PvP and open world duels would fill that gap.

I guess he would have had one helluva time in GW1 then….

Scrambles.2604:

But we say no to this feature? Because, despite tools put in place to prevent harassment, a potential for abuse still exists? I don’t think that is a good enough reason to warrant no duels at all.

I did say two posts back, that if they addressed the issues with the block and report features, along with some other concerns, then fine. As in, ok put them in. Or did you miss that?

Yes, harassment happens across all parts of the game. I was trying to limit the discussion of it as it pertained to this topic.

Yes, EotM is sometimes used as a karma train. It’s only about 50 / 50 in my experience since I’ve had just as many commanders cap and go as I have stand and defend.

Still, it does teach you some of the mechanics of WvW (while running with the zerg):

It teaches you that capping the objectives = more points per tick, killing players really isn’t all that helpful when you’re trying to boost your score.

It shows you which of the seige work well in which scenarios – rams on doors, cats on walls, choke points for arrow carts, etc

To give a couple examples.

It doesn’t really highlight the need to take supply from camps, so as not to diminish forts and towers, so they can be upgraded faster, but people don’t often defend in EotM as its more lucrative not to. This happens in BLs on Fridays near the end of the day too, people just flip and reflip objectives because the match is essentially over, no point in defending anymore.

So, you can learn running with the karma train, if you pay attention. Of course, you could play with your guild too and they could show the ropes, I sort of thought that’s what a guild was for, but I could be wrong…

Either way, whether you’re playing in EotMs or BLs or even a kitten dungeon, you’re going to find those that talk trash. Unfortunately, that’s par for the course.

Scrambles.2604:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Scrambles.2604:

i’m not trying to trivialize it. I know it sucks, but we both agreed that sort of thing can be expected as a result of dealing with real people. It sucks but i don’t have any sympathy because we have all dealt with it at some point. It is an inevitable consequence in every MMO.

Me, i just roll with the punches. Someone way out of my league wants to duel? Ok i’ll duel them, get stomped and move on. Let them get it out of their system. Trolls want you to try to avoid them, they want to see your displeasure.

More importantly, don’t focus on how jerk players will abuse new game features. Focus on how good players can benefit. The majority of players are well meaning, but the worst ones stick out. The majority of players will use duels properly and respectfully.

You will only remember the ones that abuse it…When youve done everything right, people wont be sure you’ve done anything at all.

But you are trivialzing it, and that’s a problem.

Yes, there is always going to be some kittens. Some level of annoyance, and for a lack of a better word, an ‘acceptable’ level of this crap. However, with the current systems available for blocking and reporting, there isn’t good way to handle the more severe cases of harassment.

Now, should that get adjusted / fixed and they address concerns with the various types of griefing (ie, standing on an npc that people need to talk to, etc), then fine. However, I’m not going to hold my breath.

I’m sorry you are being harassed but this is a discussion about dueling and you continue to talk about issues that are not duel related. Maybe that is why it seems like i am trivializing your issues, but i am focused on the subject.

And so am I, but you’re simply dismissing it, when the harassment being discussed comes from the dueling community. Not all, obviously, but enough that a multitude of people across numerous threads have voiced concerns.

You’re saying that harassment doesn’t come from dueling, when I and many others have given multitudes of examples where it is / has. I’m pretty sure people are tired of voicing valid concerns, to simply be told by people like you to simply ‘toughen up.’

Mithril and ELder are fine…. leave em alone! I use bunches of these, I don’t need their cost to go up!

Scrambles.2604:

i’m not trying to trivialize it. I know it sucks, but we both agreed that sort of thing can be expected as a result of dealing with real people. It sucks but i don’t have any sympathy because we have all dealt with it at some point. It is an inevitable consequence in every MMO.

Me, i just roll with the punches. Someone way out of my league wants to duel? Ok i’ll duel them, get stomped and move on. Let them get it out of their system. Trolls want you to try to avoid them, they want to see your displeasure.

More importantly, don’t focus on how jerk players will abuse new game features. Focus on how good players can benefit. The majority of players are well meaning, but the worst ones stick out. The majority of players will use duels properly and respectfully.

You will only remember the ones that abuse it…When youve done everything right, people wont be sure you’ve done anything at all.

But you are trivialzing it, and that’s a problem.

Yes, there is always going to be some kittens. Some level of annoyance, and for a lack of a better word, an ‘acceptable’ level of this crap. However, with the current systems available for blocking and reporting, there isn’t good way to handle the more severe cases of harassment.

Now, should that get adjusted / fixed and they address concerns with the various types of griefing (ie, standing on an npc that people need to talk to, etc), then fine. However, I’m not going to hold my breath.

Scrambles.2604:

So, to make sure we’re on the same page.. You don’t want open world duels because one time in WoW a max level player harassed you and killed all the mobs before you could?

Maybe there’s more to it, or more scenarios…but your reasoning is starting to get a little outlandish (get it? outlands? aaahh whatever… WoW joke.).

I prefer not to have open world duels due to the mentality they seem to foster and because in the spirit of GW1, I believe pvp belongs in the mists. Separate from pve.

Its ok that you feel the need to trivialize harassment because it’s ‘just a game.’ It doesn’t matter if this happened once, or a hundred times. Because it’s ‘teh internetz’ its apparently ok. Its not like we carry any of this mentality out into the real world with us after all. After all if its ok to bully someone on a video game, how is that any different than Facebook? Its just the internet, no one gets hurt….. until someone commits suicide, or someone steals a gun a shoots someone else in the back. Its the internet, its perfectly ok.

Scrambles.2604:

Cmon, dawg. Correlation =/= Causation.

You probably get more harrassment in WoW because there is such a larger player base. More players = more chances to be harassed. WoW also has a free trial, so its not unreasonable to run into low lvls that are there solely to harass you.

There is a reason why stereotypes exist. They aren’t always 100% accurate from case to case, but they are rooted in commonality.

In the few scenarios I’ve mentioned, it wasn’t low level players doing the griefing. The death knight was a max level (which was 80 at the time, pre-MoP), my priest wasn’t even a 10… (I was just trying to get her high enough to do AB!)

More low levels does not necessarily mean more harassment. Just as having a free trial period doesn’t necessarily mean more harassment. True, more people does make it more likely… but that doesn’t mean it’s going to come from the lower levels.

Scrambles.2604:

Lanafear, you continue to describe what most would call “harassment” but you attribute it to dueling. I won’t argue harassment is an ongoing issue, but i don’t think your issue is truly with open world duels.

Your anger for being harassed (not unwarranted) is being misattributed to dueling.

I get that it’s harassment. I know that. What I’ve been trying to point out is that it tends to be more prevalent with certain types of game modes.

I admit that I have not played a lot of MMOs. However, when you start to see a trend among certain types of games modes, you start to associate the 2.

Dark Catalyst.1028:

Oh really? That’s never happened to me after years of playing because I have auto-decline option set and I promptly blocked the one person during that time who couldn’t take no for answer. All in all, problem solved in 30 seconds.

Yes, really. Perhaps it’s just that server I guess? Since so many of you seem to believe this never happens. Although, I had it happen to me on the other server too, was trying to level my human priest and the stupid death knight just would not leave me the hell alone. He killed everything in Elwynn Forest around me so I couldn’t do my kitten quests. Super frustrating.

While we don’t have issues with kill stealing or node stealing in GW2, we do have an issue with the block feature not working the best. Even though we can block someone, they can still see when we are online. Can still see what map we are on. It also doesn’t block emotes. Some people are enough of an kitten that they would hunt you down and spam emotes at you (though you can turn them off, that still doesn’t make them go away). I’ve also seen children recruit their friends to harrass someone after they themself have been blocked. Reporting them doesn’t make them leave either, nothing happens until it gets reviewed. So perhaps the person should just have to log off until something is done? That’s fair right?

I’ve seen these first hand, from both sides, actually. I had a guildie in WoW that acted like this, I booted his sorry kitten very quickly. And guess what, he plays GW2. How do I know, he messaged me… and he has me on follow…and he uses the same game name.

Perhaps for some, these are ‘worst case’ scenarios. For some, it’s just rotten luck. Don’t necessarily discount something as ‘blown out of proportion’ just because it didn’t happen to you, or you didn’t see it with your own eyes.

Scrambles.2604:

It’s not about seeing the good in people. I will acknowledge that games with duels have people that use it to harass. They also don’t have auto-decline. GW2 doesn’t have duels yet we still see tons of harassment.

The ways i have advocated for duels to be introduced would make it so you wouldn’t be harassed in game any more than you normally are.

Instead, i have to deal with fear mongering and hyperbole and the idea that someone will pick you out, for no reason, and follow you around until you duel. Can it happen? Sure. Will it happen? No, not outside of the fantasy scenarios described in these threads.

The issue here is that I don’t have faith in it being implemented in such a way. Keep in mind that they built features into the lfg tool to keep people from griefing there too and it only works to a point.

As for the ‘fantasy’ scenario you mentioned, I had that happen to me in WoW several times actually. Norgannon was my main server (a pve server, dueling is off by default), I forget what the other server was that I played on. It’s been a while. It’s not as uncommon as some people like to think. Some people really are just kittens…

Scrambles.2604:

If dueling is released tomorrow with auto-decline duels enabled as a default, there is NO change to the game. If each person that wants to duel elects to disable that option, people that want to duel would seek out others that want to duel, not people that have made the conscious decision to leave auto-decline on.

Open world dueling will not ruin the game! We already tolerate the loudest players in map chat, even more so with mega servers now. We continue to run dungeons, despite those who kick us for not being a guardian/war.

A consequence of playing an MMO is you have to deal with other people, the best and the worst, even if that means they have the freedom to scream their heads off and jump around constantly and spam skills.

In a perfect world, no this wouldn’t ruin the game. We don’t live in a perfect world, and there is no guarantee that it won’t make the game less hospitable. It has already been shown that when given a tool with the potential to grief, people will use it to grief.

I understand that when playing a MMO that you have to deal with people. I have no issue with that. However you will have to forgive me for not ‘seeing the good’ in people, when it seems that humanity’s base nature is not to be ‘good.’

Scrambles.2604:

Lanfear, you’re cool and all but i wont argue with you point by point—that is tedious. I will continue to exchange ideas with you.

Honestly, i think we are both on the same page beyond tiny caveats and semantic arugments, we just value PvP and dueling differently. That is why open world dueling would require a “decline” button, and better yet, and auto-decline option.

I just don’t see how the ability to not be forced to duel isn’t a fair compromise for those not interested in PvP/dueling.

I don’t think there is a ‘fair’ compromise honestly. There are some people that are fine with dueling, they just don’t want to have to put up with it in the open world. There are those that think it would be fine in the open world, but having it in arenas is too much of a hassle.

Personally I say either leave it in the mists as it is. Or, make a group of servers separate from the rest, where dueling is enabled. Give free transfers for the first couple of weeks, enable guesting like normal, but sort them separately in the megaserver. (Dueling vs non-dueling instance) Then those that want to duel can, and those that don’t want anything to do with don’t have to be bothered by it.

Scrambles.2604:

You’re describing things GW2 players want to see added. Anet doesn’t care about them, they are already playing so potential for them to use the Gem store exists.

I stated that those were things people wanted, and Anet does care about them. Adding things to keep people playing as just as important as bringing back old players and bringing in new players. Happy players spend money.

The idea is to bring in former GW2 players that bought the game but left because of all the stuff this game lacks that other MMOs offer. After sticking with GW2 long enough, i understand it is the superior MMO out there, but a lot of jaded MMOers left the game long ago and don’t see what we GW2 players know and love about the game.

And it would bring people back. A lot of people left because they wanted those things and they weren’t here.

Dueling adds a lot of value to MMOs – it gives you more variety in the stagnant PvE environment.

I disagree. Dueling doesn’t do anything for ‘pve variety.’ Better mechanics, more bosses, more zones… those give you more ‘pve variety.’

If i’m standing around with my guildies waiting to do something, what am i gunna do? /dance? costume brawl? bang on my playable drum? Those are things but they are shallow. Give us duels and we can kill time, have fun, while also getting in good, friendly PvP practice.

Personally, I find dueling to be just as ‘shallow’ as anything else you mentioned. At least with CB, everyone can get involved and make it more interesting.

Edit: This is not ‘good pvp practice’ either considering 1) pvp and pve stats are different, 2) you’re not likely running your spvp build if you’re just ‘dueling for fun.’ Yes, it might help you determine some of your strengths and weaknesses on a certain class, but this is better done in the mists, in custom arenas where stats are normalized and the playing field level. Otherwise, you aren’t getting accurate feedback.

I am not against this suggestion, however I do agree that we don’t necessarily need another currency in the game.

Astral Projections.7320:

On previous threads the answer has been that support will not help in situations like this. They are not going to go into a guild vault and take out money or items for someone who does not have the permissions for it. They don’t even have that ability. Your only chance is to get a guildie to withdraw it and send it to you. Otherwise it’s gone for good.

I hadn’t heard that, or maybe I just don’t recall. I can sort of see why support wouldn’t want to get involved though. Even if they did have the ability.

Scrambles.2604:

Personally, i think adding open world duels would bring a lot of people back into the game. You gotta get people to play the game before they buy stuff from the Gem store. And to get people to play, you have to give them features that are generally expected from an MMO in 2014.

I don’t think open world dueling would bring as many people back as you think. There are plenty of other games out there if that is what someone desires. Games which also incorporate open world pvp period, no need to wait for someone to accept. Just jump ’em.

Additional sPvP modes would probably bring lots of people back though. Things like annihilation and gvg. Additional maps in spvp would probably be enjoyable as well.

WvWers would like to see more wvw maps, although I’m not sure how that could be worked in. Perhaps they could build some maps and do some type of map progression like GW1 AB maps, although I don’t think that would work with the existing map set up. Perhaps just adding more mechanics to the existing maps might work as well. Things like the ability to build barricades, better rewards for defending, etc.

PvEers want to see elite dungeons. They want to see the return of FoW, UW, DoA, or something similar. Something like this would see people return to pve content, as long as it required skill and couldn’t just be waltzed through.

There are a lot of things the different player bases are asking for, for their various modes. Many of which would help bring people back, but I don’t think dueling is among those things. That’s just my opinion though.

Behellagh.1468:

It’s not rare for players to join a guild, raid the bank and quit so I wouldn’t expect a promotion.

I’ve run into this.. had someone join, and then almost immediately start asking about the stuff in our vault. It’s why my lowest rank (for new members) can see and deposit, but not actually touch anything.

Of course, I’ve also had a member that quit the game, gutted his account, got himself temp-banned, then came back several weeks later because he couldn’t get a refund for a game he’d already sank several hundred hours into. We helped him get all re-equipped, he then raided the vault, and quit to start his own guild. sigh Some people…

Anywho, on topic. Yes OP, check who has which privileges for the vault and then email one of them to see if they can withdraw your money for you. If your guild is non-active, support might be your best bet.

I’m 1 for 4 on Teq. All of which have been pug, so they do succeed. Of course, they are more likely to succeed when people simply talk in map chat and coordinate (not bark orders).

I find the instances where people are barking orders, or blaming the turrets for ‘being bad’ (even though no bone wall has popped, and the zerg is being cleansed), or in general are just overly negative fail pretty badly.

Where as the more positive instances go much better. Even if they don’t finish Teq, he at least gets pretty darn close.

chuckle

I do those bosses cause I like doing them…. not because I get a shiny. If I were just after shinies, I wouldn’t be playing this (or any MMO really). There are better games out there for loot.

Scrambles.2604:

ugh. Ok i totally understand that some people are afraid of being bullied by duels. I cant rationalize it, but it is a fear and most fears are irrational anyway.

Which is why i concluded my statement that none of our little forum chatter matters. You can complain all day that open world duels are toxic even though every single MMO gets along fine with an accept/decline system.

In the end it isn’t a matter of “how will duels effect the game environment”— That is probably one of the last variables Anet considers. It is a matter of Dev time vs potential to generate more revenue. At this point in the game that is how everything is decided.

I know it sounds righteous to defend the community zeitgeist against the scourge of seemingly competitive play, but Anet dont care bout none of that. We are all just potential dollar signs and Anet just wants to find ways to get us to the cash shop, while keeping the game at an acceptable level of playability for the lowest cost.

Again, more to it than just that, but you can reduce it down to something ‘so meaningless’ if you so please. Like I said, other issues obviously don’t matter to those they don’t affect. They simply reduce them down to non-issues, which have been argued at length and I’m not going to bother getting into yet again.

It might not simply be a time vs revenue thing either, although I’m sure revenue is a large factor in a lot of things. It could simply be that because of how pve is currently designed, it is not a conducive environment to 1v1 open world pvp. PvE is designed (presently) to be a cooperative environment, where people help and affect each other without necessarily having to be part of the game group. Its likely that many of these mechanics would need to be tweaked, or completely overhauled, in order to implement a pvp addition to the mode. Depending on how much work would need to be done, it might be simpler to keep the pvp in the mists or set up a different server environment for those types of players. It’s hard to tell without seeing their code.

Asmodeus.5782:

Lanfear, doing Golem and Fire Elemental solo or with 2-3 players was mighty fun… And I was doing it on Piken, so no population problems there. Just had to stay up late… It was worth it, going to miss it. :/

I’ve never done Golem in a small group. Did do FE once, with only like 6 of us. Was interesting, and very different than the large group smack down. Took a lot longer though…

I’m on AR and had to regularly guest elsewhere if I wanted to do any of the bosses other than SB. Not a huge change for me beyond having people without needing to guest, finally.

There is more to the issue than just “can’t be bothered to decline,” which has been discussed, repeatedly. However, since they don’t affect certain people, those points are not valid and don’t exist.

I enjoy doing zerg content on occasion. I don’t do it all the time, although admittedly world bosses have been a ‘zerg fest’ since launch, so it’s not like that’s really any different now. Teq and Wurm are still zergs, just slightly more organized chaos, but still zergs.

No, I’m not bored, but I don’t play long hours either. I play an hour or 2 a night, and a few more on the weekends if I have time. I still have lots of things to do…

still voting /no on open world dueling. this topic has been beaten to death.

I agree that new skills would be nice.

However, only for some classes in GW1 where skills ‘weapon’ skills like they are here. For caster classes, it really didn’t matter what weapon you wielded because they were spells, not ‘weapon’ skills, unlike warrior where you had specific skills that required a sword or an ax or whatever.

dmbgodzilla.2745:

Looks like the Wiki was last edited in Feb ‘14. I surely haven’t seen an ascended armor recipe karma vendor, but with 2 million karma I’d be the first to say thankies if you actually found one

Foolishly spent 60 laurels on infusions for my first set of ascended trinks and armor.
Lesson learned? Don’t waste laurels on infusions until you’ve finished making everything else. They give small return for a very hefty cost.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DeWolfe.2174:

huh, insignia recipes bought with Karma?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Recipe:_Ascended_Insignia

Yup, 21k a pop.

I bought mine from the master tailor in LA before LA was destroyed.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Giita

Should be able to get them from other master tailors, armorsmiths, and leatherworkers. Just the insignia are karma purchasable.

Sadly the actual armor components require laurels.

Khisanth.2948:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Eh, I guess if it not actually ‘mini’ it might be ok (down past the knees like you said). My concern is that they do make it really truly ‘mini’ (and you know they’d do it).

Have you seen the default skirt you’re given as a female light profession human, norn or sylvari? Thier buttcheeks are hanging out… And yet I’ve never seen anyone complain about this…

I didn’t have an issue with my humans’ butts hanging out.

ponders Sylvari don’t really have a butt do they? (I guess I’ll have to look when I get online tonight….) Still, again, didn’t see any issues (my necro sylvari just changed out of that skirt lol).

Norn on the other hand… I could see them having issues, but I didn’t make a light class for my norn.

Yeah, that skirt is short, I agree. On Asura though… it’s pants! I just can’t mentally picture an asura in a short, short skirt… (and not end up scarred).

No need to imagine! It is a bit unusual since asura stuff are usually unisex along with charr.

Lol I hadn’t been in game to do that. (And nobody else luved me enough to provide a pic)

That isn’t so bad. Yeah, odd due to the whole unisex thing.

Still, I was picture something much much shorter when it came to the skirt. That was the whole concern there lol.

It’s not that those things aren’t desired, it’s that there’s no ‘draw’ to speccing that way. There’s not a heck of a lot of point if you can run glass and still be more than sufficient in providing those additional factors (reflects, aegis, et al).

What needs to be done is the efficiency of being able to provide those, when not specced for them, needs to be better balanced.

Of course, upping the mob hit rate some wouldn’t be bad either. Although, not quite so far as you were thinking…

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Eh, I guess if it not actually ‘mini’ it might be ok (down past the knees like you said). My concern is that they do make it really truly ‘mini’ (and you know they’d do it).

Have you seen the default skirt you’re given as a female light profession human, norn or sylvari? Thier buttcheeks are hanging out… And yet I’ve never seen anyone complain about this…

I didn’t have an issue with my humans’ butts hanging out.

ponders Sylvari don’t really have a butt do they? (I guess I’ll have to look when I get online tonight….) Still, again, didn’t see any issues (my necro sylvari just changed out of that skirt lol).

Norn on the other hand… I could see them having issues, but I didn’t make a light class for my norn.

Yeah, that skirt is short, I agree. On Asura though… it’s pants! I just can’t mentally picture an asura in a short, short skirt… (and not end up scarred).

Wrenn Haldane.3208:

2. The guilds. Western MMO’s tend to treat guilds as large, faceless zergs. You can have hundreds of members in your guilds. Meanwhile, Asian MMO’s tend to restrict guild membership to a few dozen members. I like this a lot, as you really get to know your guild members. Also, in Asian MMO’s it is easily apparent who the good guilds are . . as opposed to guilds made by some kid on a whim.

I never understood the ‘huge guild’ mentality myself. I guess I’m definitely ‘more Asian’ in my guild preference as well, since I like to keep mine small. I like to know my members, and I like them to know me. It just adds something ‘more’ to the game, for me. Just the other night, my husband and I were helping on of our members with his math, he was studying for his final. You just don’t get that… connection.. in the larger guilds.