I really hope our DPS spec that we have been waiting 5 years for is not tied to Phantasms, thus completely missing the point.
Then again after last patches offhand sword buff I wouldn’t be surprised if the new elite spec had traits tied to Shield.
Where did you originally post it?
Taking honed axes and quick draw means you could dish out 20s of weakness within 4 seconds in a 240 radius.
Throw an axe to chill your foe. Your pet’s next attack inflicts weakness.
Oh cool a 1 second cast to do less damage then our already low auto attcks.
Anybody who has played the class for any amount of time would know why its the case, that is why I am fed up of explaining it.
I don’t know, Rangers can put out a decent stack of condies in a short time and between low cooldowns and so many sources its not that bad for open world. It also has more aoe then power builds.
I suppose im the only one on this but i believe mesmer are in an ok spot no? Power got buffed last patch and condi got nerfed (double yey)
Thanks person who plays Mesmer in hot join and nowhere else in the game.
Shield is obviously great.
Focus is good too, good effect, fits in with the weapon and synergy with the Phantasm.
Torch is alright, I think it should provide aoe fury as well and maybe a third burn stack.
What I like about the GS one is that it always goes the full 1200 range, so you don’t have to cast the phantasm at a thing in the back of a group if you want to hit them all with it, of course you have to be careful not to hit anything you don’t want to damage. If it actually did damage that would be nice but it doesn’t so the skill is kitten.
As is the pistol attack.
Sword provides might to the phantasm which is funny.
That could go a long way making a unique dps spec that focushes on empowering phantasms and personal game play.
No it wouldn’t and I am fed up of explaining why.
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Its a very strong condi weapon,
Not really. The conditions on auto are a joke, mostly due to never getting the same buffs that other condition applying skills got when they reworked conditions, the phantasm is power based and the only other damaging condition is a random short poison in Chaos field that also never got the condi buff.
It is a good defensive weapon but that is mostly thanks to skill 2. Chaos field has been left behind by the power creep and chaos armor has a too high cd even if the protection was baseline, not to mention the attack that got attached to it is pretty terrible.
If it was on another class it would be a hybrid. Since its Ranger the condi porton is the only bit not being kitten by pets.
Oh for kittens sake its worse then I thought. Winter’s Bite is only buffed in PvP too. Tool tip doesn’t show it but I tested on golems.
Anet can kitten off, massive slap in the face.
None.
Probably still trying to level one up and figure out how it actually works after the might to phantasms fiasco.
Ranger
The axe has always been suited to work with hybrid damage stats, with the Might stacking of Ricochet combining with the bleeding from Splitblade and Winter’s Bite. The latter two skills have very low power coefficients, which prevented them from getting the maximum benefit from Might. We have significantly increased the power scaling of these two skills to grant them more synergy with the goal of the kit.
Splitblade: The damage per axe hit of this skill has been increased by 200% in PvP only.
Winter’s Bite: The damage of this skill has been increased by 150%.
Why the kitten is split blade buff pvp only. They claim PvP/PvE splits are hard then waste time doing them on baffling changes like this. Give that buff to PvE along with the second bounce they removed for no kittening reason and it might be a decent weapon, but I guess we can’t have that now then.
Better then the usal nerf condi ranger while buffing already stronger dps classes of the last few patches, I suppose.
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Rangers can’t tank Raids so you would be immediately kicked.
If Anet does another ‘we totally care about your input now guys’ session before the next expansion we need to get them to give the Mage the same treatment as the avenger, keep it ranged though.
Protective ward doesn’t really need one because its a passive trigger.
I’m hoping for a power version of Rev’s skill Unyielding Anguish.
We definitely need more aoe.
Have you read the patch notes?
It says “Phantasmal Berserker: This skill now fires a boomerang projectile that inflicts 3 stacks of vulnerability for 3 seconds in addition to summoning a phantasm.”
Doesn’t say anything about changing the animation.
Fair enough, I forgot it didn’t mention it. Probably too used to reading between the lines of this games patch notes.
Have you read the patch notes?
32k isn’t really trash but when theres multiple classes that can do aywhere from 3 to 10k more damage then Ranger, not to mention that Ranger damage in an actual fight drops down due to not being able to flank or keep them in bonfire, and current trends are multiple nerfs to condi Ranger while the higher dps classes keep getting their dps buffed, its not hard to see why people are upset.
“Always as if flanking” would have been almost brokenly good, especially added to the other effects. I think they accidentally left in early draft text that didn’t match the final draft buff.
Making a weapon work like all other weapons wouldn’t make it OP
Its open world , do what u want, mobs are gonna die regardless of build, world bosses are gonna die regardless of build. THE META IS A LIE……….
So do you run around open world in level 20 green gear only wielding main hand axe with no off hand weapon?
As a chrono main im really curious as what kind of spec could throw out chrono from the meta. Even after all the nerfs to phantasms, alacrity, SoI chrono is still a powerhouse.
Nerfing chrono anymore doesnt make any sense but keeping it as it is will make it stronger than any other spec we might get, at least in PvE.
The only way to throw Chrono out of the meta is to give other classes alacrity and Quickness generation on the same level, I can actually see them giving Gaurdian quickness with their new elite spec.
DPS Mesmer wouldn’t compete with Chrono it would compete with the other dps classes.
I miss my Guild Wars 1 nature park
For anyone who knows of the Redwall novels and has read Marlfox, there were “magical” silver foxes as the main antagonists who used stealth and deception to become like shadows or illusions and whose trademark weapon was an axe. Sure that description could read more like a thief spec but I think it can equally apply to Mesmer.
Well rumour is the new utility skills are deception skills.
It’s definitely an interesting change. One thing that I like is that you can run Imagined Burden (GM, Domination) and apply cripple to every single person that is struck by the boomerang.
I was actually wondering about this and meant to test it. Good to see this actually works, still Imagined Burden competes with too good trait at that tier and needs to be bumped down a tier.
Well he can read the wiki. Still doesn’t actually know anything about the game.
Yeah but what you are forgetting is that a Mesmer killed a thief that one time 3 years ago in hot join using power shatter better nerf the whole class every patch.
Funny thing Mesmer has been Meta every season since HoT( and Meta in every game mode since HoT) yet Thief hasn’t, hell Thief was even essentially removed from two seasons when HoT shipped. But yeah Thief is the big bad bogey man bahahaha
See, this is part of the reason why Mesmer is in the states its in. Anytime you try and talk about the stupid changes or point out how mechanics need reworks, thiefs just come in and cry that they can’t beat us.
You know how many times I’ve been on reddit and tried to talk about the state Mesmer is in in PVE and the responses have been, shut up Chrono bunker too stronk, power shatter is meta in pvp, my theif can’t kill you with one hit why are you crying.
Thanks for proving me right.
Yeah but what you are forgetting is that a Mesmer killed a thief that one time 3 years ago in hot join using power shatter better nerf the whole class every patch.
LB and GS is probably the best set up for open world since you will need some burst mixed in with sustained damage to clear through the mobs fast and GS comes with nice maneuverability. Off hand Axe has nice burst to get through trash as well but I personally find Sword boring and mainhand axe is fairly medicore. Running into an Elite, Champ or even one of the tougher veterens will make GS drop off, in which case condi or swapping GS for Sword/Axe would be better but it will be nothing you can’t do with GS.
Most world bosses involve sitting back and ranging so Longbow is one of the best weapons for world bosses.
I don’t think stability was responsible for the visual clutter, fast level of play and no cast bars
Count dps from alacrity and quicknes you provide to raid group and you are the best dps in raid. This is how you need to think now about mesmer.
The buffs of PS Warrior or Druid actually increase a parties dps even more.
Ofcourse you are right. But afaik ps war or support druid don’t have big dps too. They are suposed to be support classes for other raid members – all of them in another way. So theirs buffs are compensatiom for theirs lower dps.
http://qtfy.eu/benchmarks/
i am not sure how will you take this, give or take it’s at least 10k higher than mesmerOkay, but are those benchmarks with or without buffs? I mean can PS war do 10k more dps without alacrity and guickness? I don’t know….
Mesmer can’t do its lower dps without might, fury, gotl, banners, spirits, etc.
Count dps from alacrity and quicknes you provide to raid group and you are the best dps in raid. This is how you need to think now about mesmer.
The buffs of PS Warrior or Druid actually increase a parties dps even more.
Ofcourse you are right. But afaik ps war nor support druid have big dps.
Both have much better dps then Chrono, infact condi ps warrior dps is about the same as Mesmers condi dps.
Both also have dps specs that hit much harder and aren’t restricted to two boss fights.
If you REALLY, REALLY feel the need to do dps on mesmer, you can always play condi mes, it pulls respectable numbers.
Its dps and the mechanics of it make it useless for every aspect of pve except 2 raid fights.
Count dps from alacrity and quicknes you provide to raid group and you are the best dps in raid. This is how you need to think now about mesmer.
The buffs of PS Warrior or Druid actually increase a parties dps even more.
Because base Mesmer is useless and they refuse to do anything about it and Chrono has ended up as a support spec.
The next elite spec coming in 6(?) months is supposed to be dps.
Yeah that immobilize should really help us land axe skill 2
I’d save the salt until after knowing how the skills will work.
In any case thematically it will be like having dual axes, just in an indirect way with the offhand.
It’s not salt, it’s me wondering what you are talking about when we have no idea what skills axe has. I’d understand if this was about sword/focus with its double immobilize.
Guys, Druid was an amazing elite spec. It added a whole new type of role in the game that was not there before, a pure healer + support.
You men the role that they sword up and down would never be in the game and is useful only in raids?
While I understand that the bowman fantasy is not viable at the moment, it does not mean that the Druid missed its mark.
Well its mark was to advertise raids so no I guess it didn’t but even considering that its first reveal was useless and outclassed by other healers, until GoTL was added where it flipped the whole situation and now all other healers never have a chance to get in.
If you view it as an elite spec though its by far the worst designed one. Some of the worst utilities in the game with a baffling use of the glyph mechanic, terrible weapon designed purly to get you through the celestial avatar gate mechanic, all but 4 traits are usless, 2 for pvp, 2 for raids and no synergy with base Ranger class.
This is the mesmer forum. Who cares about thief?
Thieves have been coming here for the past 5 years to complain about how OP Mesmer is in every mode and how abused and underloved thief is.
I still say the biggest nerf was renaming Survival of the Fittest
1 skill isn’t a bigger number then 1 skill
What did the patch do to the staff?
32k DPS sounds extremely viable to me?
They probably mean that people will expect you to take the higher dps build with axe/torch.
Honestly though Ranger dps in raids vs golem is very different due to needing to flank the target and needing the target to stand still. Other dps classes are already pulling higher numbers now on golems and can more closly match their golem numbers in actual raids.
Yeah that immobilize should really help us land axe skill 2
I wonder what you would do if Mesmer had to take a second weaponset that didn’t have anything other than one Skill that was useful and was never actually used for combat.
You mean Staff?
The main problem with this build is that the dps drops even faster then Axe/Torch if you can’t sty behind your target.
I must admit, I started playing power mesmer cause I was tired of thieves just evading everything and I wanted to beat them at their own ganking game. However, that’ll definitely be a lot harder now without the burst sigils.
If you want to take on thieves power Mesmer is pretty much the worst build in the game to do it.
As long as you hit one enemy with the sword swipe, you and any iSwordmen you have out, including then one you just created, get 8 might.
Theres a common attitude amongst pvp players that anything that allows Mesmers to create illusions, thus make use of their worthwhile skills and traits is, OP.
This attitude is not shared with initiative, adrenaline or deathshroud.
From this moment on, this change should be brought up every time somebody tries to defend the balance team.