Therefore, not-stacking = Must be moving 97.4% of the time. Only exception is when downed and/or defeated. When reviving you must cancel revive every 2 seconds in order to keep moving.
That’s a really interesting definition… so… this is stacking?
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Grawl Shaman in Volcanic Fractal is probably one of my favorite Boss fights because you can’t cheese him. There is no where to Stack there is no LOS spot, its just perfect.
And every single casual hates it.
I just hate it because it highly favors classes with reflects.
Of course.
Poor warriors. (That’s it right? Everyone else has a reflect? necromancer isn’t a thing)
Warriors have everything else though. :/
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They’re all bots. If they see the word “stacking” it automatically types out anti stacking drivel associated with “lack of fun” and unintelligible “solutions” to a made up problem.
Mesket… I’m a girl!
QQ
[ARES] And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others? Our blood has bought their lives.
Grawl Shaman in Volcanic Fractal is probably one of my favorite Boss fights because you can’t cheese him. There is no where to Stack there is no LOS spot, its just perfect.
And every single casual hates it.
XD
So true.
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Stacking seems like such a boring way to complete dungeons. It is effective but it is just so dang boring. I play the game to have fun and imo, stacking is not fun.
I don’t understand this argument. I need more info pls.
Because honestly… whether stacking itself is fun or not to you really isn’t the issue… is range kiting a boss fun? I find stacking more fun than that.
Must be personal opinions I guess.
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Are you asking me how to fit more than one melee player on a boss without them overlapping? Incidentally overlapping is not stacking. Stacking is when everyone in the party intentionally stands on the same space for the duration of the fight.
I uh… um.
Okay.
No, this would be stacking (and some amazing 5 minutes drawing skills lol )
Holy kitten, that looks kittening awesome.
When five zerkers collide, they become Shiva, Goddess of Destruction.
I’m sold.
They’re actually clerics. And they’re guardians. Those are scepters.
[ARES] And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others? Our blood has bought their lives.
Are you asking me how to fit more than one melee player on a boss without them overlapping? Incidentally overlapping is not stacking. Stacking is when everyone in the party intentionally stands on the same space for the duration of the fight.
I uh… um.
Okay.
No, this would be stacking (and some amazing 5 minutes drawing skills lol )
You have much better 5 minute drawing skills than I. Stupid phone being so …. great.
I don’t think I’ve ever literally stacked like that
[ARES] And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others? Our blood has bought their lives.
Are you asking me how to fit more than one melee player on a boss without them overlapping? Incidentally overlapping is not stacking. Stacking is when everyone in the party intentionally stands on the same space for the duration of the fight.
I uh… um.
Okay.
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I had a burst of activity in terms of drops right after the patch then it became really quiet.
Right after the patch, I got 3 ascended armour chests, 2 ascended weapon chests, a fractal sceptre, then it was real quiet for a while with only a few rings to show for my efforts with another armour chest, a precursor, and another armour chest last night.
throws kittens and punches puppies
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can’t really comment on that. Personally, I have no problem at all forming groups to my liking. Recently, I type “not a speed clear” as part of the LFG comments. I’m generally satisfied with the like-minded people I find this way.
My point was not that it’s hard to find groups. My point was that it is less rewarding to intentionally handicap oneself. The game itself should always strive toward encouraging the most entertaining experience. In my opinion, the most entertaining experience would more closely simulate an actual combat, i.e. not stacking.
Or were you being sarcastic?
And that, good sir, is your opinion.
I personally despise facerolling dungeons so I pug them, solo or low-man them or join one of Lilith’s terrible teams. Therefore, my most entertaining experience would be for encounters designed around solo play – but you see, I know that I’m an extreme minority and I don’t demand ANet to cater the game around me. Anti-stackers repeatedly demand ANet cater the game around them, despite being a minority.
Ftfy. Buahaha.
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Assumption: You are not being rewarded with a skin or ascended chest:
Would you rather get nothing or a ring at the end of a fractal?
What is a bigger insult?
I honestly could use more berserker rings (my snaff’s gyres ran out a while ago). But if it’s going to be an Ettin band. Or… another lunaria… nothing is fine.
Can I trade my rings for dragonite please? QQ
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In my hour of play in a night I net a maximum of 4 ore. Because sometimes when I get out of TA, the wurm is up right next door.
For empyreal… I have 45 stars and stacks and stacks of the fragments.
Right now I’m shy 200 ore for my chaos of lyssa. I wish there was an exchange. 250 Empyreal frags to 25 dragonite, 250 dragonite for 25 empyreal… keep the exchange a little low but reasonable. Would solve all of my problems.
Yeah I believe an exchange system would be the best solution given all the comments so far. It appears that some players manage to farm tons of it through different activities in-game.
Maybe ANet could implement some system like the fractal shards? Up/Down grade with some additional materials to make the process a bit more expensive. IMO that will please all crowds and will allow people to obtain needed materials from all kinds of play, which was in Gw2’s manifesto which I still believe they try to follow, regardless of what people say.
Mmmmm… oh god the “m” word. Inb4 thread turns into the interpretation of the manifesto.
On topic: I would throw away a stack of ectos into the forge if it meant I could get that dragonite. It’s what holds me back from all of my ascended. Stupid kitty dragonite.
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In my hour of play in a night I net a maximum of 4 ore. Because sometimes when I get out of TA, the wurm is up right next door.
For empyreal… I have 45 stars and stacks and stacks of the fragments.
Right now I’m shy 200 ore for my chaos of lyssa. I wish there was an exchange. 250 Empyreal frags to 25 dragonite, 250 dragonite for 25 empyreal… keep the exchange a little low but reasonable. Would solve all of my problems.
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Lilith Ajit.6173:
No offense but what I read was “this is in my opinion the more intelligent way to play because it’s how I play.”
It’s also not 1 or 2 minutes different. It can mean the difference of 2 hours if you’re attempting the more difficult content (fractals, some arah paths I’ve encountered). For me… I can play at most 40 minutes per day. Do I run 2 TA paths or 1? That’s the choice. Berserker or not berserker. More or less dungeons. Hm.
Is extremely hard for 1 person to say to another person ( you are playing the wrong game) but if you only have 40min a day to play a MMO-RPG then you are PLAYING THE WRONG GAME.
mmo-rpg is not just any game , you can call it a hobby , is something you dedicate time to it. spending 40 min on a mmo-rpg is equal to 5min you cant do much under 40min . this kind of game requires no less then 2hrs of play time and doesn’t have to be every day but when you do long in,anything less then 2hr wont get you far, so if you feel need to rush things then you should start looking for a game that meets your play time
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Look. When I was unemployed I played it 80 hours a week. Or something. Lots. I like the game and won’t quit because you don’t think I can devote enough time to it. Please don’t tell me my favorite game isn’t for me
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So are you a female gamer? And is that your character? If so, I can see exactly why they carry you through dungeons. It’s that female cutesy persona. You bat those eyelashes and they come runnin. :P
Seems like a valid and logical hypothesis. But you should ask them. I’m also awesome. I give shinies too. ^^
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We can’t have a lvl 30/35 dungeon actually be doable for lvl 30/35 players now can we?
…but it’s doable on level 30/35 players… I did them on my level 35 this past weekend. On my EU account. Really…
I know it is. My comment was meant to refer to people who constantly complain AC isn’t hard enough and elitists who look down on low levels doing dungeons.
Ooooh. Okay. Gotcha.
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As a person who is frequently carried… yes there is carrying in the game. Any time I tag along with my friends’ duo Arah’s or AC’s, I contribute almost nothing to their boss fights. They carry me through because they love me (or something).
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Not a good idea. As soon as developers create a need for any specific build, then that puts the nail in the coffin of all those groups where people bring what they want.
Not sure if serious…………………………
How is “bring zerker or gtfo” bringing what you want ?
Just because it is convenient for young kids not to have creativity needed
doesn’t mean other people are not allowed to have fun.
And thank goodness A-Net figured out.
Keep the zerkers out of the game is like a relief.
Zerker can stay in PvP or WvW. I couldn’t care less because people can’t be kicked out.
But finally we descent people who just want an awesome time with epic storys and actually roles in a roleplay game get what we well deserve.
Beside that i guess i don’t have to mention who of the comunity would be able to spend money at the gem store. Daddys wallet isn’t always available.
You’re mistaking ease of access via LFG PuGging for requirements. Zerker is not required by the game, only by a subset of the players. I see a lot of LFG listings for “all welcome” that fill immediately. Every guild run I’ve ever been in has been “bring what you want.”
Make a “healer,” “tank,” “buff-bot,” etc. required — which is what was suggested by the OP — and what happens to all those groups? They become “Need 1 tank, healer, etc.” groups just like the meta groups will be. This limits all those “anything goes” groups as well as PuG meta or real meta groups.
By creating content that requires certain builds, ANet would kill ease of access for all those non-meta groups. No more “two ‘DPS’ bearbows, juggernaut engineer, condition mesmer and celestial Ele” groups. They won’t have the builds that are now required by game design. These groups are currently able to do dungeons — and so are a myriad of other non-optimal, but still viable, build combinations.
I see from your post that you want dedicated roles in groups. Ask for dedicated roles all you like. However, don’t delude yourself into thinking that you’re championing the people who want to play as they like, because you’re not.
Unbelievably true and eloquently stated. Thank you. Refreshing read.
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The problem is not Zerk haters hating Zerkers. The problem lies in the difference between the playstyles of the two factions.
1)Zerkers (for the large majority) view the game in a way where they are looking to beat it as fast as possible to get to the rewards. The loss of 1 or 2 minutes of time is less than the most efficient completion time of the stated goal to accept the rewards. This type of player is bent on domination of the game for maximum rewards as fast as possible.
2) Non zerker players are more interested in playing the game to play, experiment with different classes and builds that may not be as efficient or fast as zerkers, but result in a win just the same. I feel this is a more skilled and intelligent way to play, as there are more obstacles and harder gameplay, as you are not able to burn down the enemy before they are able to challenge you with their abilities.
When the zerkers stop discriminating against the non zerker for wanting to play differently, even if it does slow down the zerkers speed run design, there will be a head on collision in playstyle thinking.
Let the zerkers play their brand of gaming. I will play my style of gaming, one that takes in all the beautiful graphics, NPC interaction, enemy tactics mitigation through skilled build, skill, and combat maneuvers, and I will enjoy it.
No zerker can take the enjoyment I have in taking down a dungeon boss solo, while they lie dead on the ground telling me that my build/gear/armor is inferior. Ever.
No offense but what I read was “this is in my opinion the more intelligent way to play because it’s how I play.”
It’s also not 1 or 2 minutes different. It can mean the difference of 2 hours if you’re attempting the more difficult content (fractals, some arah paths I’ve encountered). For me… I can play at most 40 minutes per day. Do I run 2 TA paths or 1? That’s the choice. Berserker or not berserker. More or less dungeons. Hm.
It is my opinion, that I play the way I play, because I like it that way. If you are limited in your play time and need to zerk your way to rewards, that is fine with me. That is the intelligent choice in your situation. I have been gaming since pencil and paper games debuted in the early 70’s, and the immersion is key for my enjoyment.
Without trying to be condescending, I find that most younger gamers have a desire to speed beat every game they play, and this zerker bias/zerker bashing debate is a direct result of the two types of gameplay. I like the way I play and enjoy the challenge of using a seemingly worse class/weapon/build to beat an enemy. The challenge is the game to me.
You’re trying to out mature me. Cute.
I’m a role player for many years, pencil and paper. I also role play in game. It’s the intelligent choice to play efficiently but it’s also the fun choice. I find it fun not wiping. I find it fun demolishing critters in dungeons. I find it challenging to properly time dodges and to use skills when they’re needed to support my group. The beauty of the game was that before I could do these things my soldier gear acted as my training wheels.
No berserker is going to tell you you can’t play how you want. The issue is when we ask for berserkers, we get people trying to impose their way of play on our runs. They also keep posting these threads to try and stop us from playing how we want. We don’t post similar threads. That’s a problem.
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And my beef with GW2 comes to light: I don’t even care anymore if I run half a dungeon or 5 dungeons in a day. After 20 months I’m so bored with the same crap I’ll do whatever I do and to hell with the rest.
I’m sorry I prefer to get a little gold so I can save it for fun rewards. If I’m not getting anything or progressing my character I have no interest in doing it. Progression is important to me in all parts of my life including my fun.
[ARES] And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others? Our blood has bought their lives.
The problem is not Zerk haters hating Zerkers. The problem lies in the difference between the playstyles of the two factions.
1)Zerkers (for the large majority) view the game in a way where they are looking to beat it as fast as possible to get to the rewards. The loss of 1 or 2 minutes of time is less than the most efficient completion time of the stated goal to accept the rewards. This type of player is bent on domination of the game for maximum rewards as fast as possible.
2) Non zerker players are more interested in playing the game to play, experiment with different classes and builds that may not be as efficient or fast as zerkers, but result in a win just the same. I feel this is a more skilled and intelligent way to play, as there are more obstacles and harder gameplay, as you are not able to burn down the enemy before they are able to challenge you with their abilities.
When the zerkers stop discriminating against the non zerker for wanting to play differently, even if it does slow down the zerkers speed run design, there will be a head on collision in playstyle thinking.
Let the zerkers play their brand of gaming. I will play my style of gaming, one that takes in all the beautiful graphics, NPC interaction, enemy tactics mitigation through skilled build, skill, and combat maneuvers, and I will enjoy it.
No zerker can take the enjoyment I have in taking down a dungeon boss solo, while they lie dead on the ground telling me that my build/gear/armor is inferior. Ever.
No offense but what I read was “this is in my opinion the more intelligent way to play because it’s how I play.”
It’s also not 1 or 2 minutes different. It can mean the difference of 2 hours if you’re attempting the more difficult content (fractals, some arah paths I’ve encountered). For me… I can play at most 40 minutes per day. Do I run 2 TA paths or 1? That’s the choice. Berserker or not berserker. More or less dungeons. Hm.
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It’s people running Zerk-only parties that are the ones alienating people, not the other way round.
This isn’t true.
I see more posts on here saying “I don’t allow zerkers in my party! That makes me cool and hip right?” Than I see rude things like “if you don’t zerk you suck!”
There are rude people on each side of the fence. I see more rude statements coming from your side of the fence because they represent the extremists on that side and they shine brighter on my screen for that reason. The people you’re talking about likely do the same. But regardless.
as someone earlier said. The problem isn’t the gear. It’s the people who berate and bully others. They happen to be both berserkers and non berserkers. From what I see, in game there is a lot more berserker hate in map chat (probably because they’re more vocal… I’m sure there’s an equal amount of both). On the forum it’s about equal.
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Support is pretty much Cleric or Zealot.
Control is uninstall and find a game that doesn’t spit on you.
Bunker (a very real role in some modes) is Sentinel or Cleric.
Only one boon is affected by healing power so how exactly does it make clerics support?
Or Zealot for that matter (power precision healing power? How is that support?)
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I like the keys and buy the keys. While I’d like for them to yield more useful things I think it would be silly to take the rng box and make it rng to even get the key to open it. As for keyfarming, that is a really great thing that allows people to get tickets for the black lion weapons so that they stay relatively cheap and do not blow up. My opinion. Also devs have said keyfarming is working as intended.
I vote no to this idea. But that’s just me.
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Very sorry. I screwed up my excel for the last tallying. Let me try that again haha.
The winner by a long shot is #3 with 42 points.
2nd place is number 2 with 23 points.
3rd place is tied: #6 and #10, but #6 Is my favorite. (Don’t worry #10, you get the prize too haha)
Consolation prize winners: #8 and #7 and #9
Congratulations!
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It effectively ruins all the dungeon content in the game. No more fighting the boss as it was designed. Nope, gotta all sit in a weird corner watching my cooldowns go off. Oh, and this time it decided to magically not work, so we have to go try it again.
I know all you professional dungeon runners are in love with the idea of cheesing down content to get it done faster, but for all of us that actually enjoy fighting bosses and doing PvE content, stacking is killing our love for this game.
I just have to wonder why ANet lets this kind of thing go. Why are they just enabling their playerbase to just cheat their way through dungeons? Doesn’t that go against everything game designers and developers are supposed to stand for?
I don’t know. I’m just so kitten sick of cheesing my way through every bit of content in this game.
“Magically not work” he says.
Sounds like someone who has no idea why people stack.
I’ve stacked perfectly multiple times in a row and sometimes it just doesn’t work. That’s probably the worst part. If it worked 100% every time I’d understand but basically people are gambling on the system breaking and sometimes that doesn’t happen and the boss creams you because, guess what, you’re all just standing in one spot.
You know, like what’s supposed to happen.
Explain to us why groups stack:
hint #1 – it’s nothing to do with exploiting bosses.
Oh stop trying to be so high and mighty.
People stack because they don’t have to deal with the bosses mechanics and can just mash buttons.
Oh… if only.
Sigh.
What bosses are you talking about? I need examples in order to explain exactly why that is not true.
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This is the first time I see such a thread. I’m amazed at the insight in your idea, I’ve never seen anything like it before… You surely are of the special kind.
Keep up the good work, make more threads with more refreshing ideas.
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Seconded.
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