Guild Wars 2

Yea automaticly had tricker acrobatics and shadow arts on my thief and all signet tricks deception skills unlocked since that was what i used.

Just wondering what it means on the daily dungeon chests?

they spend it depending on what skills you had equiped, they even said so on their poi

You got a training tab and a build tab.

The training points you cant refund but at 80 you should have enough hero points to train every core specilization. ( they changed it so you dont need to do 65 hero challenges anymore )

After you have trained you can switch specs by pressing the big icon named curses to the left of the traits and take soul reaping if thats what you want.

Edit then go to training tab and spend some points into it.

Regh.8649:

Linken.6345:

Destai.9603:

Look ArenaNet, I get that you’re in damage control mode and it was a very tactical move. Yet, you’ve still not done the right thing and made the character slot available for any preexisting account. Instead, you do the wrong thing and make it a prepurchase bonus. That’s not a veteran reward and I’m not prepurchasing because of this.

I really hope you guys can learn to listen before making some decisions. Your history says otherwise.

See you later after expasion when the price is cut to what you deem it worthy and then you still have to buy another slot to play revenant bud.

For all you can tell, that can be sooner than you think… by the way you talk I’ll assume you pre-purchased the expansion, I mean you cant even be sure of the content you’ll get, dont even know all the new features that will be implemented IF they get implemented and yet you fed this system with your money.

No one even knows if you get a month worth of content.

I might end up paying more on the official release, but at least I’m paying for a “finished” product that I can see and evaluate. I’m not buying promisses, not here, not in anything in my life.

How can people be so blind and easily manipulated is behond me…

No I havent prepurchased yet, want to know why? No I tell you anyway.
Becouse they havent said you have to buy it right this second or its gone forever,
I have time to wait for more information and decide if its worth it to me.

As long as I buy it before release and apply my code the day before it launches I get the same as average Joe that bought it 3 days ago.

Yes they even state so on the buy page, you will be able to start your journey in core game right away.

Edit
Sorry not the buy page it was the blogpost about the prepurchase.

Every edition of Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns includes access to the core Guild Wars 2 game, so you can start your journey right away

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-heart-of-thorns-is-available-for-pre-purchase/

Well I wouldent mind if they charged you 12k gems to get deluxe items and 4k gems

Darkness.9732:

ProtoGunner.4953:

Be cause between the the two expansion there is a time of a couple of years you can’t play the new stuff. If you are fine with this tradeoff only to safe 45€ it’s your decision.

Saving money isn’ t a wrong decision. You should keep that in mind…And i can tell you that this guy isn’ t the only one willing to wait years…keep that in mind too

Well considering the only class you want to play is still not how you want it Im not shocked or blame you for waiting mate. ( see you in hot 1-2 years from now )

Destai.9603:

Look ArenaNet, I get that you’re in damage control mode and it was a very tactical move. Yet, you’ve still not done the right thing and made the character slot available for any preexisting account. Instead, you do the wrong thing and make it a prepurchase bonus. That’s not a veteran reward and I’m not prepurchasing because of this.

I really hope you guys can learn to listen before making some decisions. Your history says otherwise.

See you later after expasion when the price is cut to what you deem it worthy and then you still have to buy another slot to play revenant bud.

becouse they want to get all the rebuying or returns finished before people go on holliday ofcourse

scerevisiae.1972:

Entenkommando.5208:

The core game has been in sale for 10$.
As a veteran you get a character slot worth 10$ while new players get the core game, that cost 10$ before (as ANet states it’s even 100% free now)

Problem solved.

Probably would be problem solved if the char slot was unconditional, ie: was available after release.

I’m reluctant to spend $$ when I have little idea what i’m getting. At the moment I don’t see $50 worth of expansion.

Not to mention, shortchanging existing players in order to subsidise new players doesn’t exactly leave me feeling valued or rewarded as a long-time customer.

Maybe you should wait untill anet say this is the last expasion…. buy that and pray you get to finish the whole thing before they switch of the servers.

scerevisiae.1972:

Yuri Kwon.1069:

Just don’t buy xpac and pay for Fallout 4. You might play for 100 hrs max i guess. I would rather buy xpac and play hundreds or thousands hrs. Good-Bye

10 hours of original content and 900+ of grinding/repetitive content you mean…

Personally I have zero interest in LS content nor the added PVE zone(s), I just don’t think they’re any good, and the PVE in this game just isn’t very interesting nor challenging.

The only thing I’m interesting in is the new WVW and PVP maps, and those aren’t part of the expac.

The only thing in the expac I want is the new class and elite specs, which doesn’t seem worth $50 at this stage.

So yes, I would rather have a char slot included and no access at all to LS updates nor Maguuma.

Then you sir should wait for a sale 1 or 2 years down the line.

Kaas.1304:

Maybe I am wrong / did not understand it right / post what been posted previously in a different words but:
-“To clarify: $50 is the price of the expansion. We included the core game as a free bonus to make it easier for new players to get into it.”
– so we will have a copy of the game + HoT.

New player gets 1 new account (+1 character slot) upgraded to HoT = 50$ game and expansion.

Vet player will have 1 new + 1 existing account = 2 but +1 character slot on only 1 of them and only 1 copy of HoT?

If so than vets have 1 useless account, 1 character slot and HoT for old account. So total will cost: core game at full old cost 50$ + 50$ HoT = 100$, ok – 10$ for +1 character slot (even though those who still need it can easily get it with gold in game or wait for a discount) = 90$ and 1 quiet useless additional copy of the game without HoT.

So even ! IF ! HoT will be so big to have 50$ fair price as for a core game in the past, it does not look fair. And HoT will not be as big as game itself anyway!

Would be MUCH better if you would make at least 10$ discount for HoT (as a price of character slot), or give that 800 gems as an excuse instead of character slot to at least give players an option where to spend them, because lots of people already purchased slots or do not want them at all, but who need and want – still will be able to get it full priced or wait for a discount.

I hope something will be done.

No you wont get 2 accounts if you put hot on your old 1 then you get 1 or 2 added slots if you prepurshase.

You would get a core old account and a new hot account if you like but then no extra char slot for base hot version ( and no extra for the old core either )

sinican.9250:

So with the core game essentially being included or given away as a bundle with future expansions, I do hope that isn’t increasing the cost they are passing onto us.

Additionally, why not just provide the previous clients as a free download with the release of each expansion to not only keep the game heavily populated with new players for the community to interact with, but also to eliminate the need for including previous clients in the cost of any future expansions.

I have not pre-ordered yet primarily because so far the HoT only content im finding sufficient enough to justify the price and I am being generous (i’m not alone) and the current promotions are simply unappealing, price aside.

I hope to see the HoT only content greatly improve over what the core game is already going to be offering, unless they are trying to consider the interface improvements and balance changes to the core game part of HoT—that would be pretty kitten lame and dishonest.

I’ve been playing for 3 years. I have spent more than a few USD on the BLTC and additional accounts for my family members. I am not ungrateful for the now included additional character slot with all versions, but to be honest, that was the least we “expected”. It really isn’t something you are giving to us as much as it is demanded. Considering this, where is the real preorder bonus for players who had already purchased the core and been playing—some of us from launch? Seriously, the marketing team couldn’t have been this incompetent to not already considered different responses from the community even if you are all drinking from the same pitcher of kool aid. There should have already been plans in place, redundancies, preparation, etc. I can’t imagine the marketing team thought the community was that stupid. It is insulting to those of us uninterested in the kool aid compared to the volume and quality of content comparably to what the core game already includes or included when it was sold at full retail.

So if core game went free to download, How many gold sellers did you want to block every second?
And they wouldent ban them from game anymore since there would be no point they could fire up a new account in seconds.

ArmoredVehicle.2849:

The way Gw1 and the expansions worked it was perfect. I understand that with HoT there may not be a new starting area and the core game is essential but still nothing prevents them from offering different priced bundles to cater to everyone.

Instead they toy with people’s minds and wallets. Wanting more sometimes ends up getting you less.

You dont seem to understand it at all mate, hot is a 80 expasion there wont be a starting area at all.

Khristophoros.7194:

Linken.6345:

Khristophoros.7194:

I think this was all planned to get away with charging 50 dollars for it. It’s not worth 50 dollars unless the guild halls are absolutely incredible because the amount of content appears to be very low for a 50 dollar expansion.

And it’s really annoying that you are trying so hard to get people to preorder. If it turns out to be good people will buy it after it comes out. Don’t push the preorder this hard. Just make a good product and it will speak for itself after you release it.

I ended up preordering but I’m not happy about it. I felt like the only way I’d get a good value is by preordering the ultimate edition. I felt bullied into it. I may have done it, but I’m not happy about it.

So what did they do to bullie you into it give you a fair discount on 4000 gems?

well that can be bought with ingame gold if you play long enough, shouldent be that

Was it the ingame items? well considering you bought the first game and saw that deluxe was offered to people after game shiped for gems that can also be get in game it cant be that either.

I guess it was the betas and the really swag title.

No I got it its the character slot you could have had for 50+10 bucks ( or ingame gold) that now are included in all the editions

I cant for the life of me see how they twisted your arm to get you to preorder 100$ one.

Maybe you should ask for a refund/downgrade to the 50 buck one if you still have all the gems left that is.

If you wanted character slot 4k gems and the expansion the ultimate is the only edition to go for but now you get a extra character slot ontop of it, thats when you start complaining?

To clarify, I felt bullied into preordering at all. If I felt like standard edition was a better value I would have gotten it but I still would have felt bullied into it.

I was complaining before they added the character slot too. All I asked for was decent value and I shouldn’t have to preorder to get a decent value.

I wanted to wait until after it came out. Is that difficult to understand?

Then why dident you Im still waiting to see if its of value to me.

They dident bullie you, your family/friends/guild pressured you into getting the expansion maybe. (they havent even said what date the prepurshas ends or when the expansion launches yet )

or character slot if you bought from amazon or other third party retailer.

I dont think anyone can say what the bonus would be for existing player in the next expansion but if i had to guess it can be all bettwen 100-2000 gems depending to how low the hot bundle have been discounted before it hits.

Why should ultimate hot give digital deluxe base game?

Not like warlords of draenor collectors bump up a battle chest with normal editions to all collectors

D best.3547:

Anet is also not giving a free copy of GW2 until HoT comes out. Then the game+HoT will be $60 and HoT+Character slot also $60 this sounds good no? why do you need more? There’s already a built in function in the game for you to start saving gold to save $10 not a lot of games allow you to spend in game money to save real money be thankful.

Maybe you should read what they say in their blogposts

Every edition of Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns includes access to the core Guild Wars 2 game, so you can start your journey right away

Source

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-heart-of-thorns-is-available-for-pre-purchase/

BolkovonHarnfeldt.1372:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Whatever makes you think that the expansion post launch will not have an extra character slot? Just because it’s not mentioned now doesn’t mean that when it comes out it won’t have it. It’s not for sale yet so they aren’t talking about what’s in it or not. They are only talking about what is currently for sale.

They specifically mention that the conditions for a free character slot is a pre-purchase before July 30th.
Do you really think they’d do that if they are planning to include it afterwards as well?

Stop mixing things up please and use the correct dates.

Extra character slot read bolded part

For all players who registered the core Guild Wars 2® game prior to January 23, 2015 and who upgrade their account by prepurchasing and registering any Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns edition before Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns‘ launch, we will add one additional character slot to your Guild Wars 2 account.

What you mixed it up with and got wrong date is the refund on base game for people.

For all players who purchased the Guild Wars 2 core game from our website and registered it between January 23, 2015 and June 16, 2015 in anticipation of Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns, we will automatically refund what you paid for the core game should you decide to pre-purchase Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns from our website or in-game store any time through July 31, 2015.

and that build will be invalid later today since you can only have 6 6 6 now instead of your o 1 6 1 6.

Good work making a build for all 12 hours thats left on the old system mate

Stochastic.1398:

Linken.6345:

Stochastic.1398:

piano man.1672:

Send in a support ticket maybe. I’ve heard that some people who purchased the game within the last 30 days gets a refund/upgrade to the Standard. I don’t think it hurts to send in a ticket.

Explain how?

I don’t mind paying the difference since I got the game for cheaper, but I shouldn’t need to pay an additional 50 since I bought the game a week ago.

The whole thing is absurd and poorly thoughtout.

Since according to this post you bought it around 11 of june you are in the window of 14 day refund policy on online items.
Maybe you should talk to amazon

No refunds from Amazon.

Oh kitten i dident think there were a company more backwards then steam, before the change you could atleast refund 1 game but amazon takes the price….

Why on earth would you buy from a company that offer zero refund on games?

Jumanji.8724:

No it wasnt upgradedto digital deluxe version.

well use 2k of the gems in the gem store and you can upgrade the base game to digital deluxe ( imo the skill aint worth it tho )

Stochastic.1398:

piano man.1672:

Send in a support ticket maybe. I’ve heard that some people who purchased the game within the last 30 days gets a refund/upgrade to the Standard. I don’t think it hurts to send in a ticket.

Explain how?

I don’t mind paying the difference since I got the game for cheaper, but I shouldn’t need to pay an additional 50 since I bought the game a week ago.

The whole thing is absurd and poorly thoughtout.

Since according to this post you bought it around 11 of june you are in the window of 14 day refund policy on online items.
Maybe you should talk to amazon

Stochastic.1398:

The same thing happened to me. They should let us buy the game at a difference in cost from what we payed.

To be honest this whole thing leaves me not wanting to buy another thing from them.

But you dident buy it from them you bought from a third party retailer becouse it was 10 or however many bucks cheaper.

There was a 10buck sale earlier in january you could have waited for another 10 buck sale down the line.

Edit
And that sale would have been from anet themselfs.

Since amazon refused you are correct in getting added char slot if you buy hot before release.

Edit
Cant really expect anet to refund something you bought somewere else can you?

New players + people who bought game anytime bettwen january 23 2015 and june 16 2015 = get base game worth 10$ given all the recent sales

Players before january 23 2015 and people who bought from 3rd party retailers get 1 added char slot valued 10$ ( would it have been better with 800 gems yes it would but given time you will earn more gold you can buy gems for by parking that added char at a jp and login once a day)

It looks like it aint included.
Check the picture on the 6th reply here mate.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Do-Hot-have-living-story-s2-unlocked/first#post5177817

Edit
They never said living world season 1 will be coming with hot.
I belive I saw in a interview that living world would continue as a bridge bettwen expansions but cant find the source for that statment mate.

Dracolicious.2749:

What? how are you people happy with this?? you are paying 50 bucks AT least cause I know some of you WILL get the other options, and then all they are giving you back is something worth 10$??? No, that seems cheap. If you were giving out a free legendary or something NOW THAT seems more like something to pay us,veterans, back for the support WE HAVE given you Anet. Not some lousy character slot.

Free legendary are you joking? I want to earn it in game not have it for buying a expansion.

Cool were did you get that flag mate,-Meh I bought the expansion…
Were did you get yours?

-Well I traveled out in the jungle and stumbled upon this small tribe of people, after befriending them and proving my worth by "hunting to provide food/ killing enemies or teaching them to make superior arms/armors to protect themselfs.
The Elders of this tribe gave me this flag

I know witch one I would prefer out of the two.

Khristophoros.7194:

I think this was all planned to get away with charging 50 dollars for it. It’s not worth 50 dollars unless the guild halls are absolutely incredible because the amount of content appears to be very low for a 50 dollar expansion.

And it’s really annoying that you are trying so hard to get people to preorder. If it turns out to be good people will buy it after it comes out. Don’t push the preorder this hard. Just make a good product and it will speak for itself after you release it.

I ended up preordering but I’m not happy about it. I felt like the only way I’d get a good value is by preordering the ultimate edition. I felt bullied into it. I may have done it, but I’m not happy about it.

So what did they do to bullie you into it give you a fair discount on 4000 gems?

well that can be bought with ingame gold if you play long enough, shouldent be that

Was it the ingame items? well considering you bought the first game and saw that deluxe was offered to people after game shiped for gems that can also be get in game it cant be that either.

I guess it was the betas and the really swag title.

No I got it its the character slot you could have had for 50+10 bucks ( or ingame gold) that now are included in all the editions

I cant for the life of me see how they twisted your arm to get you to preorder 100$ one.

Maybe you should ask for a refund/downgrade to the 50 buck one if you still have all the gems left that is.

If you wanted character slot 4k gems and the expansion the ultimate is the only edition to go for but now you get a extra character slot ontop of it, thats when you start complaining?

Syosha.5917:

I don’t post on the forums very often…but I feel like I should throw my voice into the mix here.

You realize, all they did to fix this debacle, was to offer a temporary extra character slot? You get it if you pre-purchase the game, you don’t get it if you wait for the expansion to come out and then buy it. So…if I want to wait to see everything the game has to offer, judge it for myself and then buy it…I won’t get the extra character slot.

After the expansion releases…it’s the SAME EXACT THING…why are we giving praise to Anet again? Granted, they actually did communicate and address the community, but that…in itself…it not enough to garner the type of praise people are giving them. :/

Well you can either wait untill the last minute possible before launch, when all info they are going to give will have been given prepurshase it and get the slot. ( since the will be closed betas for prebuyers before launch I would hope you would get all the information you need mate )
Or wait for it to come out and talk to friends who did buy it then wait for it to go down in price buy it and fork out the extra gems to get a char slot

If you bought the game before jan 01 23 2015 or bought it from a 3rd party retailer after you will get a extra slot as long as you apply the hot serial code to your account before it launches for real ( when ever that happen to be)

Random.4691:

Selene.9415:

Random.4691:

So just to clarify, you have to Pre-Purchase to receive the character slot ? Or it will be available to everyone who purchases the expansion Pre-Purchase or not ?

Also I see July 31 mentioned a few times in the blob, is it safe to assume Pre-Purchase will end July 31, 2015 ?

Yes, the bonus character slot is only if you pre-purchase.

I’m thinking the July 31st date is only because it gives a realistic cut-off period to get everyone settled with refunds or whatever.

At the risk of being “that guy” I’m not sure if I’m happy about this or not. I’m happy they addressed us, and they took into account our loyalty but the question still remains, is the content worth $50. I would like the character slot, and I’m really not complaining, though it does come off that way but I personally would like more information about the expansion before I pay.

Would it be unreasonable to ask to extend this opportunity to say the end of August to allow for more information ?

the 31 july is the end date to get base game people bought bettwen 23 jan 2015-16 of july 2015 upgraded to hot with additional cash or refunded and closed down.

As long as you buy and type in the code to upgrade your account with either of the 3 offers before hot launches you will be getting +1 character slot in addition to what the offer you chose gives.

Castaliea.3156:

Smallclaw.1650:

Castaliea.3156:

Bristingr.5034:

Phat Stackage.5329:

Still quite a bit upset. here is a few reasons why:
1. Anyone who just recently bought a deluxe edition or higher now has a less of a value for their money. Expecting plenty of others to agree with this. Can’t you guys just admit ya gone and goofed the different packages?

Actually those who buy a Deluxe Edition or higher will have TWO additional characters slots added to their account instead of just one now.

Please read my post.
2 isn’t really a great thing. Especially when only 1 class is coming out.

Oh, cut the carping. Be glad ANet did something, instead of whining about how it wasn’t exactly what you wanted. Some people will find fault in anything, I swear.

Are you kidding me? I just paid 100$ and one of the defining features was “Additional character slot”. Now I get another, redundant one? For what? That hidden second profession they haven’t revealed yet? As i said in my original post, I’m super glad they did this, I am. But I think it could be done BETTER with a benefit to everyone, not just to the 50$ pack which I outline in my original post so go read that then come use poor quotes and QQ on me more.

Ask for a downgarde to the 50$ version, hope you havent spent any of those 4k gem yet.

MrDaaark.2604:

Nothing has changed for me.

So I still don’t don’t get a reverent slot with HoT? This is unfortunate. Sorry. I’m neither paying more, nor grinding out a new slot to access something I just would have paid 50$ for.

Looks like I will neither pre-purchase or purchase HoT.

May I ask when did you buy the game for it to not change all?

If it was 23 jan 2015 you can get a refund on how ever much you paid and put that money towards hot + pay the extra money and not lose progress at all.

If its older then 23 jan 2015 and you buy any of the editions of hot you will get 1 more character slot if you apply the code before hot is officialy launched.

I cant see how this news dont change it at all for you please enlighten me.

Miku.6297:

Gaile, so what happens to the people that pre ordered the more expensive additions because they wanted ONE character slot for the expansion?

I bought one of the pre-orders that had a slot because I wanted the character slot and figured I might as well get other stuff… Now that the char slot is free, makes me feel a little different about the value of the pre-order.

Well ask for a refund and buy the 50$ copy mate.

Baldrick.8967:

Please clarify: By the new wording, it’s buy pre order and get a slot, if you wait until after release day, no new slot? Nowhere to put that new class?

Is that correct? Going from bad to worse if that is correct- even less incentive to purchase after release, and given the high price and lack of solid content I won’t be pre ordering at the moment, I’ll be waiting for the sale.

If your waiting for a sale then you can afford the 800 gems/ 10$ it cost for an extra slot mate.

fixit.7189:

Unloveableone.6082:

fixit.7189:

So uh, I should request refund for ultimate then I guess? I bought it for the char slot which was an extra 800 gem worth and now that’s gone; it’s better just to go base version of hot now. Lame.

….how? You still have all of the extra pre purchase stuff and 3200 gems.
You spent 100 dollars to save 10 bucks?
Brilliant logic.

Well why not? Saving 10 bucks is saving 10 bucks, that’s what made it attractive; it’s the whole reason why I plunked down 130 bucks in the first place. I am glad you all got better deals, this is great news but not so great for ultimate. I would have expected maybe an extra 800 gems dropped onto delux/ultimate as well but apparently not.

If you read the blogpost again any edition will get a extra character slot…. So in time having that second character slot on your account camped at the end of a jp will earn more then those 800 gems.

*More faces Tattoos Hair earings Scars // 2 eyes different color each, Other races hair glow

more animated armors not just particel effect also snakes and ghost effects*

I agree with those the others dont really increase the individuality of ones char tho

I see thanks for the info.

From my understanding you cant buy hot in the black lion tradingpost, you sure you dident just upgraded to deluxe gw2 edition?

Test.8734:

Xar.1387:

Yeah, price of this expansion may be too high, if u compare it to the content which is going to appear in the begining of HoT, but ONLY when GW2 would be a P2P game.
Not B2P.

The Gem Store, which happens to get updates more often than ANY other part of the game, and uses shaddy practices like a lottery system with unknown odds or the creation of inconvenience to sell convenience, is evidence that GW2 isn’t just B2P. It has a strong stench of F2P, and the worst kind of F2P while you’re at it.

Xar.1387:

2. Its really easy to destroy a pretty good MMORPG game, which is B2P. This payment model is rly risky. Do not be surprised if they will be forced to make P2W in the future.

P2W? Isn’t GW2 already the most P2W it could be? You can already use gems to buy the most powerful weapons in the game.

If you could buy weapons that were stronger then whats in the game that would be p2w

Well ascended getting a boost from 5% added stats to 10% start collecting mate

Edit

Just saw this.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Ascended-Gear-Anet-please-fix-this/first#post5172742

7th postfrom colling it will still be 5% increase not 10 sorry for the wrong info.

Entenkommando.5208:

Arkblue.6129:

Entenkommando.5208:

Arkblue.6129:

Entenkommando.5208:

And if you get a character slot everyone who purchased the core game with it for free complains about getting treated worse again…
And if everyone gets one you’d still cry about the core game.

How are they treated worse? You’re talking nonsense.
They are getting a core game whose value was set at a nominal 40 euros, 20 or 10 during sales.

Just admit you want to nitpick.

They have been promised to get it for free.
So if you get a gift they are treated worse.

They are treated equal, they consider it worse because before that they were treated better.
Jeez.

You can’t do it that way.
They said you get the game as a free bonus if you are new and the expansion is 50$.
So if you get something like a character slot people would be kittened again because now it’s them who have to pay extra for that.

You have to handle it like A-Net said it. Not like they meant it. (Just like the FAQ problem)

And they could make the same deal here, -We hear you guys veterans get a character slot for free…
If you say now that the new players can argue then your admiting that the veterans have a case.

You can exchange most of the time gate stuff to materials you can trade to main account.

Dawdler.8521:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Pre-purchase boxed versions will arrive in stores (not online stores) on June the 30th.

But havent Anet said that there will be no boxed version?

Its all really confusing.

Webhallen, the Swedish store selling HoT as expansion only for €35 (they specifically note that GW2 is required) is listed as an Anet certified retailer.

I find it odd that Webhallen would have the wrong info available.

Does this mean that the pre-purchase version of HoT sold here on the webpage include GW2 and is more expensive than the pre-order version that is expansion only?

Wait wtf? Why couldnt they have told us this?!?!

And webhallen says that the price and date aint set its a guess on what it will be mate.

Yea I dont like the bundle but slashing out content from hot only make less and less people want to buy it.

For not being a rage/qq or entitlement rant you sure make it sound like one.

No it aint only anet is selling hot at this moment.

Any reason you cant yourself read the information that get released on the homepage?