Continue to write your mini novels, doesn’t make it true. You also talked about a bl boycott in a thread which is not true at all… How do I know this? I am in T1 myself.
The people that I know that spend the real money are heavily into PVE. I will speak for myself and not 1000s…. if wvw players outspent pve players in total $$ (not per person) AND Anet really didn’t understand their customer base like you claim – then there is no hope anyway….
WvW players have been spending more real ca$h than both their PvE and PvP players combined since they have to if they want to only play WvW. This cash being spent helps the developer make the PvE and PvP content they have been adding to the game, and often many don’t mind help paying for the PVE content as well ( though many are irritated with having to pay for every one else’s content) as long as they get some WvW content too.
I think you vastely underestimate the cash brought in by PvE players playing fashion wars. I am quite certain PvE players spend more cash on average that WvW players beside being more mumerous. This can also been seen in the type of cash shop items being sold, all fasion stuff or PvE convenience stuff.
^this. If wvw players outspent pve players, less attention would be given to pve and more attention given to wvw. LilDevvil’s experience in his/her circle of friends may be exactly as stated, but the generalization wvw spends more than pve – not buying it.
While many prefer EBG over the BLs and the old alpine over the new BLs, boycott is BS. See bg and YB that prefers groups smaller than a map queue there all the time – sometimes even Jq. OP must be referring to his/her guild, but wait seen them there as well…….
If you have a naga mouse, Bind it to the 11 or 12 button. It isn’t so bad then, but agreed Anet failed big time with no wvw mastery system or even another “ability” to allocate wxp ranks on…..
What you shouldn’t do – change that map later to weapon swap (working through this muscle memory issue now)
There does seem to be a way to disable it through normal play, but not sharing secrets (and is only a guess any way)
The other way is to keep fighting whoever owns SM and hope the other side caps it as happened last night T1 NA prime (though I am not sure BG ever got to use the cloak)…..
I haven’t seen anyone use this yet, probably because it’s so hard to get, but maybe also because I haven’t logged into WvW for about 2.5 weeks. Stupid crap like this, banners, and being able to kill 2 zergs with a pull of a lever, having multiple abilities able to one shot you, stab being useless, just makes the game flat out, not fun anymore. I’m sure cloaking waters is op as all hell. Done any golem rushes on keeps yet with that?
I just wonder what the enemy sees when we are “invisible” from that AND marked by a sentry. Do you not see the players, but see the dots on the mini-map?
But back to OP – broken as all get out. Way worse than the airship because it lasts so long……
That gets back to the point 1 guy/gal plinking arrows at a keep is no threat and should not contest the WP… Why anyone would want to waste more than 5 mins doing this I have no clue…..
The sad part – the people that just want to fight lose fight time because of the longer run back time of the enemies…
Exploiting and hacking are another matter – wish they would go the way of the bear bow bots – remember how many of those we use to see…..
This is why when most people say “night capping” they really mean “off hour” or “non prime” capping. The fact ppt keeps snowballing is the real problem when few are on (or pop is super imbalanced).
I am really interested to see anets solution – hopefully before it is too late.
At this poin I don’t even care about perceptions. Matchup threads alive !
Kudos to the [pink] thieve(s) that contests the keep day after day week after week (except when he exploits into low lands). That is one dedicated dude/dudette……
Since this became a matchup thread…..
What’s up with Jq whispering YB commanders to focus bg? The reasoning was, if they came in third again they were going to blackout until they dropped to t2 based on a meeting. Most likely bs, but thought it was funny multiple commanders were whispered with the same line…..
Unless you are used to wvw, zerk gear that pve uses often means death in wvw. Many experienced players will go to zerk eventually, but often start as PVT just to survive. Once you have seen how the enemies push and what tools they use (veils portals etc) you learn to anticipate.
Totally agree with OP. Support Druid and pew pew ranger means swapping every darn thing and is way more difficult than when compared to the swap tools in gw1…… Other examples I can think of – frontliNe rev / back line rev and well necro / reaper… I am sure there are tons more…
Ahhh yes the little lap dog BG. JQ says jump and BG says “how high???”. I hear there’s inside drama on JQ though, the blame game between various guilds
Thats really funny considering the history of the 2 servers, you realise they basically hate each other.
Well, bg was playing for second it appeared and GS is on JQ – so we may have done a little head hunting in a friendly sort of way (I think most were fine with the GS peeps)…
It does seem certain commanders 2v1 and others just want to play red is dead. It happens everywhere every tier at times so no biggie from my POV.
Yet it was Jq and bg playing the ppt game last night when all we wanted to do was fight…..
And bg/Jq doesn’t sit on siege in SM…. Right….
Edit: bg group on bg bl was just out to have fun like us. The ppt was capping empty stuff on EBG. Also bg sitting in SM was more of a [tw] thing than bg thIng I think.
For all the people stating L2P, did you see the server causing the damage? Have you faced JQ? There isn’t usually 1-5 people, there are lots (same for BG or YB)….. It isn’t exactly easy seeing a specific skill with so many peeps and tons of aoe to avoid….
Even having unique skins that can only be bought with badges earned in wvw (not eotm) would help. Eotm could have their own version for those that enjoy that mode…..
The big difference between eu servers and NA is that most OCX/sea are on the NA servers. Some servers can just dominate a single timezone against much smaller forces wracking up ppt keeping them propped up – hello SOS…..
We knocked SOS out of a t2 spot for last week for the first time in forever. SOS typically loses their t2 matches by a large margin.
DB WON in T2.
SOS moves back up and DB moves back down into ZZZ t3 matchup.
wtf?!
You didn’t knock out SOS at all. You random rolled into the t2 match (less than 5% chance I believe). At the end of the match SOS still has the higher Glicko and better chance of rolling the t2 match……
You do know k/d is not just player on player kills/deaths right? I put 0 faith in those numbers – they are supposedly not even real time….. Look at them now just a few hours later for the same three servers…. Then look 10 minutes later and there are less k/d than before….
A better answer – award more for ppk. 2 3 4 who knows? Realize pirate ship just got worse with that change. maybe even just total bunker once you are in the lead.
An even better answer – fix ppt. In t1 we probably don’t have it as bad with a few people flipping everything off-hours, but that issue exists. Flip it once and it keeps ticking because no one is around to flip it back…..
Considering it is a third party program utilizing whatever data is provided through ANET’s API, I wouldn’t expect the results to be in real time. Indeed there is an odd lag to # where initially smaller numbers are given, then a couple minutes later much larger numbers are shown. For T1, the k/d ratio remained similar between this laggy period for me. We can only assume that ANET does have true(er) statistics.
On to increasing PPK only. If we assume that my first numbers in the original post are true, the PPK would need to be increased significantly. I said that the difference in points provided by current PPK was 5000, and that the team’s overall scores were 150,000 – 180,000. That is to say, current PPK is only about 1/30 of the deciding factor for the team’s success.
By increasing the PPK only, we inflate the overall points to increase this “deciding factor.” Hard to say if that inflation is better or worse, because I dont believe all the numbers are given by said 3rd party software thing.
Example, higher the fraction the more relevant PPK is:
PPK at 2 = 2/30 or 1/15
PPK at 3 = 3/30 or 1/10 (probably the better number)
PPK at 4 = 4/30 or 1/5
I would also go on to say to double or triple the amount for stomping since it involves more risk, and rewards roaming where it can be safer to do so.
As for the current PPT for towers, I don’t think it is within this topic’s discussion for an in depth response. I do however favor points on capture/loss only, and not having it tick. You are welcome to start your own topic on the matter.
My point was it is hard to make ppk more important when weighed against a broken ppt number. We would sort of need adjustments to both.
Granted a ppk adjustment would be easier to code for Anet if they wanted to. My guess is it is easier to add 2 points instead of 1 (or any fixed number of course) than using k/d as a factor (which we don’t even know how they get those numbers). I’d want to know the exact way k/d is accumulated before using that.
In the end, I doubt they do anything until the “soon” patch, but you are correct that ppk is pretty pointless as it exists right now.
Heard the same complaints on YB EBG in map chat – think it was the side towers aldons jerrifers. They were flipped at various times I believe. I know Jq keep on EBG was flipped by us the other day.
You do know k/d is not just player on player kills/deaths right? I put 0 faith in those numbers – they are supposedly not even real time….. Look at them now just a few hours later for the same three servers…. Then look 10 minutes later and there are less k/d than before….
A better answer – award more for ppk. 2 3 4 who knows? Realize pirate ship just got worse with that change. maybe even just total bunker once you are in the lead.
An even better answer – fix ppt. In t1 we probably don’t have it as bad with a few people flipping everything off-hours, but that issue exists. Flip it once and it keeps ticking because no one is around to flip it back…..
I’ve wondered instead of merge – rotating teams of servers each week. S1 + s24 vs s2 + s23 vs s3 + s22 etc….
You get variety based on pairings (not always s1 + s24).
You don’t lose your server identity if that is important to you.
You don’t lose your server ts or website.
You continue to play wth who you are used to – just extra peeps.
The difference may also be which tier you are in. Reverence is in t1 as am I. We also use saffron bread in most cases. The amount of red to dodge unbelievable.
Sometimes we do have different caster food when it isn’t map que 1 vs map que 2 vs us (who also que the map, but can never get everyone on tag)
I wouldn’t go for ascended until you find what works for your play style. Wvw armor and weapons are relatively cheap and can be salvaged now. If what you try first doesn’t work for you, you can switch it up.
OK – but if PPT takes a penalty when there are less players on so that a few players don’t influence the outcome of the match unfairly then surely we must also ensure that PPK is scaled UP for people who play at off peak times. After all, it also wouldn’t be right for the big groups to unfairly influence the outcome of a match simply because there were more people around for them to kill – and it so much easier to focus down a target when you have more players around you.
So there’s the other half of your fair solution then – scale PPK right up at off peak times to account for both the lack of players to kill and the fact that it’s harder to kill them.
When ppk matters – this makes sense. Ppk is meaningless right now when compared to the current ppt score.
The real question is why do some people get so hot and bothered over terminology when you know very well what the actual problem is?
No use arguing with them. Almost everyone understands “night cap” equal off peak scoring where a minority of people in one timezone outweigh the majority in prime.
The solution would have been OCX and sea server clusters from the start, but too late for that….
While ppt / scoring may not mean much to many vets, it does encourage / discourage the casual Pvx type to play based on the score…..
Most use the term “night cap” as off-hour cap. Off-hour being when fewer people are playing.
Many that care about the score think off-hour players (when there are less players) count proportionally more to the score than when the majority plays.
It would have made sense to have OCX / sea server clusters from the start, but alas they were not created (and too late now).
Note: just pointing this out – I could care less anymore…
@op – my take from that guild chat… It is not being worked on because there are more important things to resolve in wvw. Anet is open to revisit at a later date – just not any time soon.
PPK won’t make a difference in score at all. tops 10k points which means nothing in the grand scheme of things. ppk needs a buff cause night capping scum are what decides who wins instead of the combat deciding things.
Remember all sides are getting kills as well – that 10k might be 2-3 k difference…l
Ppk is meaningless without a ppt overhaul. Just compare the total score and the kill differentials of the 3 servers in a match. Are any weekly matches in the 2-3k difference? Maybe the difference between 2-3rd, but 1st and 2nd?
1) Look at the total score.
2) look at the k/d #s.
3) look at the difference in kills between the 3 servers in a match.
4) compare the differences in 3) to 1).
5) realize ppk is near meaningless if ppt hasn’t changed……
I noticed the difference in blue right away myself – just took some time to figure out what it meant… That said, why it wasn’t a different color or at least a bigger difference with the same base color doesn’t really make sense.
I haven’t seen stealth yet in t1 NA. Not sure which is worse, the banners or the airship – glad they are both getting the Nerf hammer. That chilling fog(or whatever it is called) is also pretty bad…..
If they “server merge”, my guess is none of the existing server names are retained…. Interesting deal with SOR and the backstory though – that might be harder to delete…..
How is it that JQ/BG stayed in T1 this long if they didn’t care about PPT? Close to three years or more, as two of the top tier WvW servers, and yet are being beat by a server that’s been in T1 for what, a few months? Like what tricks/tactics did you both use to get there and stay there as long as you have, if not PPT’ing and only “Fighting”….
The gap between us and T2 has allowed us to not care about PPT. People on my server complain about YB playing for PPT and not fighting lol
Some would say map que vs map que vs map que kittening a ton or red aoe isn’t fighting at all. Not to mention the OP banners all sides have….
Some YB and BG have found better fights in the BLs with sizable, but not queue sized blobs. Fact is, not many on YB want to pugmander EBG and only a select few would ever get the entire EBG pop on tag. Separate from the blob and you will find fights.
Op never mentioned server / tier – people who have remained have also moved up. T1 na prime queues or near nearly queues EBG. Some have ventured out to the BLs as well. Can’t speak for lower tiers or non NA-prime.
You do not need HOT though. I enjoy pve as well as wvw so it was worth it to me… One thing to watch is gliding. Friday’s twitch appeared to show gliding in a non-hot map. If that makes it to wvw (speculation only) – gliding is HOT…..
With the score as close as it is (not that it matters) someone on JQ is doing what YB does – just at a different time of day….. Something something about those that live in glass houses…..
There is around a 3-4 week delay after a mass exodus if I recall properly based on when fa/SOS/YB gvg guilds went to t3. Not sure if there is that big delay when bandwagoning…. Chaba on fa had it worked out on the timing….
Pretty sure this complaint #1 about the new BLs. Why add the extreme verticality without the gliders? It makes no sense to me. Either should have added gliders or made BLs less vertical – either would be better than what we have….
This is one of many reasons one are staying pvp or pve. Once you have all the wxp traits capped you are earning / working towards nothing as there are no wvw masteries and they aren’t applied to pve masteries.
Pre hot I wasn’t maxed so was at least working towards something. Post hot they took things away and didn’t replace with anything else so maxed. If that wasn’t a hair brained idea……
Actually, if most of the playerbase liked wvw and were participating in wvw, we wouldn’t be having any of these discussions.
So saying “many” and “most” is appropriate.
Not if they left the game…. I doubt anyone not playing now is coming back so IMHO we are referring to the current players or ones that stopped in the last few weeks not anyone else…
I can only speak for myself. I play wvw about 1/2 as much as pre hot.
reason is the fact my wxp earned is useless. I have maxed the current tracks (wasn’t maxed pre hot) and the points do nothing for any sort of mastery. Who in their right mind thought this was a good idea? Don’t know about others, but I am not maxed mastery wise in the other game modes….
EBG was queued to the hilt until recently and BLs are just not my cup of tea…..
(and is only a guess any way)