So you don’t think players should be able to use timing and skill to actively prevent damage. You want players to be forced to soak up damage through stats from gear and heal through instead. Play another MMO.
To whom is this directed?
If at OP, they’re just laughing about it. And pointing out that wearing tank gear means they don’t have to have skill. (While they all are still quite skillful)
I had another reply; honestly though, this discussion is pointless. By extending your logic much further even activities such as murder are acceptable.
Wow, that’s a little dramatic. What a comparison!
Anet is okay with selling dungeons as long as no exploits are used and folks were not kicked from the party. Most legit sellers do not skip Lupi. Case closed.
I noticed one thing whenever people post screens of these Arah LFG showing only selling partys. Namely that all of them were refreshed and that no time at all had elapsed when they took the pictures. So, I opened up the LFG and waited for 10 minutes.
This is perfect evidence for what we have been saying. Thank you! <3
Yeah, I know. I just felt it was unfair to pick on RPers, when really, anyone who spends 5 hours in game is 5 hours not doing “productive” stuff, no matter what it is they’re doing.
As an RPer, I’ll tell you, not a single RPer I know spends that long in a dungeon (unless they’re RPing with NPCs and other PCs at the beginning of the dungeon). We’re not that crazy I tell you haha.
I got all of the recipes and destroyed them back in the day (I lacked the proper foresight, lol). I just had so many. I never consumed a single one, because I didn’t want the gear. Now I sort of regret.
Luckily I don’t want the gear… But I probably could be a little richer now than I am had I known. I just thought they were all as common as the insignia recipes.
You guys are right, Im a horrorable teacher. Im speading toxic ways to new-comers.
I know now:
The only way to learn in guildwars PvE is zerkers ( all information learnt in other outfits should be thrown under a bus )
The only way to become better in guildwars PvE is zerkers ( personal rules / goals dont matter unless your in zerker )
You are severely misinterpreting what is being said.
I think it’s too late. I just don’t understand what could possibly drive someone to act so irrationally. Especially with the teachers thread, why bomb something that was actually working over a couple posts that had nothing to do with it?
I’ll start snapping my fingers like I’m on west side story.
Lol. Jokes. I don’t know, I don’t know how I feel about it. If a new build becomes viable I’d actually be happy, but making zerk just less powerful while leaving every thing the else the same kind of blows.
Indeed, I really hope than rather than nerfing zerker gear’s effectivity, they will somehow increase other specs’ viability in dungeons.
I also fail to understand why some people seem to be happy about the possibility of zerker becoming useless. I find it perverse and selfish to celebrate others’ money, time and effort going down the sink. If these are the people that complain about elitist jerks kicking them out of groups, I surely am not sorry for them.
They celebrated when we lost our fractal levels too…..
I’ll start snapping my fingers like I’m on west side story.
Lol. Jokes. I don’t know, I don’t know how I feel about it. If a new build becomes viable I’d actually be happy, but making zerk just less powerful while leaving every thing the else the same kind of blows.
I guess I don’t understand why a thread about being sad about the zerk meta being gone would be merged with one that is happy about it. Seems like a troll to me…
Well, here’s my experience… I got The Legend randomly when I was a fairly new player. I loved The Bifrost, but said, I’m not going to build it now, so I’ll just sell it and get it again later…
A few months down the road, I got serious. I got my materials, I finished various gifts. Then it was time for the precursor. I spent 50g trying, didn’t get it, said eh, gave up. A month later it popped from the forge, next day I had my bifrost.
I recommend not selling it. You’ll be far happier when you finish the other gifts and font have to wait for a miracle to make it.
Edit: not too many folks are as lucky as I am ya know?
I guess my issue with this is that even if your prl is 50, you still gain a chance for weapons and ascended when you do a 20 something. People like to try multiple times… So why wouldn’t people want to run the lower levels too, if they have the time? It’s nice the way they made the tiers, I think, and it already gives incentives for higher prls to help (karma, more ascended, etc)
In my experience, most players will do whatever gives them the greatest reward for the least cost. And they don’t really want to do things that are going to give them a sub-par reward.
While it’s true that some players may want to do lower level fractals…this is specifically about friends trying to play together. And unless your friends do multiple fractals constantly, it makes it really difficult.
I know there may be some workarounds for this, but I really don’t see the great harm in scaling agony with personal reward level, and I think it would really help.
As is right now, the only reason I want to do fractals is to play with my friends and I have zero desire to go on a huge fractal grinding binge to try to catch up with them.
Most people who do fractals do multiple per day, a 40, 30, and a 20. The daily reward is sometimes worth it.
I just don’t see why other folks should be able to run higher level fractals without earning them… That’s my opinion. I mean, I can run 40s, I’ve worked hard for it. Why should people just be able to without agony damage mitigation?
I respect your opinions and I’m fine with your post, I just have my own opinion, so please don’t think I’m trying to start anything.
I guess my issue with this is that even if your prl is 50, you still gain a chance for weapons and ascended when you do a 20 something. People like to try multiple times… So why wouldn’t people want to run the lower levels too, if they have the time? It’s nice the way they made the tiers, I think, and it already gives incentives for higher prls to help (karma, more ascended, etc)
If you are party leader, doesn’t it kick everyone when you leave? Not a solution,
What should i do? wait 20 minutes pressing buttons on my computer waiting the dungeon to end?
The problem here isnt that i forgot to put “all cutscenes” in the description, but that all the other players thought that what the “other” player was saying was the right thing, and this is why this toxic game play is spreading, now ppl think that speedrun/skip is the right thing to do… And its not, its a choice.
Well, I just don’t think it’s reasonable to ask folks who have already seen the cutscenes to watch them again…. Especially not if you didn’t mention it before the dungeon began. It’s not normal for people to watch them, that’s all. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
Legendaries should be hard to get… precursors should not.
However, it turns out that the precursor is the only part that is truly difficult. The rest of the effort is relatively easy in comparison. So with the current situation, ANet doesn’t have much flexibility in making precursors easier to obtain.
I’m just curious, what is hard to get, as a part of a legendary, if it isn’t the precursor?
Exactly what I said (you did read the 2nd paragraph right?).
But what’s nice with ranger sword is you have multiple offhand options. That is something that is not easy to find in most classes. To have 3 decent offhand choices? That’s nuts. And I like it.
Too much managing (ooc off-hand swapping) on a class that already requires a lot of management (pets), but that’s just my opinion I guess.
I enjoy running sword/war horn and sword/ torch for the fire field and then blast. I don’t use bow or whatever outside of RP. I use axe offhand instead of torch when I need the reflect.
But yeah the pet thing, I guess it can be complicated.
Legendaries should be hard to get… precursors should not.
However, it turns out that the precursor is the only part that is truly difficult. The rest of the effort is relatively easy in comparison. So with the current situation, ANet doesn’t have much flexibility in making precursors easier to obtain.
I’m just curious, what is hard to get, as a part of a legendary, if it isn’t the precursor?
I would posit that encouraging a newbie to waste gold and time on gear and strategies that are not efficient or as good (I’m assuming that he does not want to spend hours in a single dungeon) is a terrible thing and you should get in trouble for griefing.
This implies that all people play for the same reasons you do… to do the content in the fastest, more efficient means possible. However, it’s downright foolish to assume such. Some people play simply to play, and therefore have just as much right to play how they please as you do. So what if it’s not the most efficient, or provides the most DPS. If the group as a whole is enjoying itself (after all, this is supposed to be a game about the ‘journey’ not the ‘destination’ as I keep being told), then what is the issue?
He’s asking for people to accept rangers into their groups.
But most people automatically assume the ranger is terrible without giving them a chance. That’s the issue here, and he’s simply pointing out that while yes some do suck, not all do and not all should be automatically rejected based on the failings of others.
Because the majority of people do not want to spend more time than they need to in a dungeon (sure you can say that not everyone wants to play that way, but the majority DO)
Ah yes… the whole ‘must get the cookie noooooooooow’ mentality that has infected so many. Gods forbid you take 5 or even 10 more minutes. You might miss a shiny you could have gotten because you had time for ‘just 1 more run.’ Such mentality is a disease.
You know what mentality is a disease? One that doesn’t get having a run last 10 minutes longer can actually be too much for a player like myself, with a family, house, job, etc. so stop telling me that that time doesn’t matter, because it matters to me, and other people who don’t have all the time in the world.
Also, it isn’t usually 10 minutes. If I run with an optimized group versus a free for all, on average, it’s about an hour longer.
Stop telling me false information. Stop spreading the real disease.
Elitism is the disease that is at the source of the OP’s problem, and you reek of it. Half your posts are making excuses for the snobbish attitude others have taken towards people who don’t play exactly as you or others think they should, and when things started to go against you, you suddenly are all about family and responsibility.
Taking an hour longer is an issue, but your attitude towards people who don’t play exactly as you think they should is quite obvious. Do GW2 a favor and when you start a dungeon party where you are so lowered that you have to dredge the bottom of the barrel of the rest of us players with the LFG tool, be sure to tag it “elite” so people know to avoid you since they are so inferior to your god like gamer status.
For the record, when i pug, I don’t have a long list of wants and needs. If I’m pugging I know I’m going to get the bottom of the barrel play how you wants. Even if I give a description. People don’t read.
Do me a favor and don’t join my elitist stench parties. Because it isn’t like I routinely carry cleric guards and bow bears whenever I’m too nice to kick, which happens.
The reason you hate me here is because I’m trying to stop this at the root of the problem: all of you think you know what’s right and you don’t. Thus you spread false information which spreads into unknowing pugs. It is your denial that is the issue here. No one would complain if you didn’t say things like “My build is fine! It’s better than the meta! I’m right and I don’t care how much proof you have you’re wrong!”
I feel sorry for anyone you try to help by teaching them.
Edit: I also want to make this point. If you want to play the way you want, by all means, but don’t say I’m a terrible person for wanting to play how I want, and thus not letting bads into my party.
I would posit that encouraging a newbie to waste gold and time on gear and strategies that are not efficient or as good (I’m assuming that he does not want to spend hours in a single dungeon) is a terrible thing and you should get in trouble for griefing.
This implies that all people play for the same reasons you do… to do the content in the fastest, more efficient means possible. However, it’s downright foolish to assume such. Some people play simply to play, and therefore have just as much right to play how they please as you do. So what if it’s not the most efficient, or provides the most DPS. If the group as a whole is enjoying itself (after all, this is supposed to be a game about the ‘journey’ not the ‘destination’ as I keep being told), then what is the issue?
He’s asking for people to accept rangers into their groups.
But most people automatically assume the ranger is terrible without giving them a chance. That’s the issue here, and he’s simply pointing out that while yes some do suck, not all do and not all should be automatically rejected based on the failings of others.
Because the majority of people do not want to spend more time than they need to in a dungeon (sure you can say that not everyone wants to play that way, but the majority DO)
Ah yes… the whole ‘must get the cookie noooooooooow’ mentality that has infected so many. Gods forbid you take 5 or even 10 more minutes. You might miss a shiny you could have gotten because you had time for ‘just 1 more run.’ Such mentality is a disease.
You know what mentality is a disease? One that doesn’t get having a run last 10 minutes longer can actually be too much for a player like myself, with a family, house, job, etc. so stop telling me that that time doesn’t matter, because it matters to me, and other people who don’t have all the time in the world.
Also, it isn’t usually 10 minutes. If I run with an optimized group versus a free for all, on average, it’s about an hour longer.
Stop telling me false information. Stop spreading the real disease.
It is NOT an hour, that’s pure bullkitten, Stop Spreading false information, Stop Spreading the disease that is elitism, it doesn’t get you anywhere except hated by most people.
I can assure you that a high level fractal will actually take an hour or more longer with a sub optimized group. Don’t be so dramatic.
You know what mentality is a disease? One that doesn’t get having a run last 10 minutes longer can actually be too much for a player like myself, with a family, house, job, etc. so stop telling me that that time doesn’t matter, because it matters to me, and other people who don’t have all the time in the world.
Also, it isn’t usually 10 minutes. If I run with an optimized group versus a free for all, on average, it’s about an hour longer.
Stop telling me false information. Stop spreading the real disease.
10 minutes is not the end of the world though. I’m married, have a family, have a full time career, a home to take care of, and pets. I know the value of time. I only get to play an hour or two a night, if I am lucky. However, I also know the value of not stressing out over every little thing and taking the time to enjoy what I’m doing.
The ‘must have it now’ ‘must do it as fast as possible’ views are the disease, and not just in the game. Look at what it doing to the world around us, where we ‘must’ cram everything we possibly can into the shortest amount of time. Heart attacks happening from stress at younger and younger ages. Fast food becoming more and more prevalent in the typical diet, instead of actual healthy home cooked meals. The list goes on, but you should get my point.
If your group is that bad that it is taking that much longer, then no amount of optimization is going to help those people. At which point, you’re better off just finding other people to play with.
However, people are forced to mitigate that risk by just auto assuming all rangers are bad and will be a detriment to the group because 90% of them prefer to play, not just sub optimally! but so sub optimal that they become a hazard to have in a group.
I actually laughed a little at this entire thread. I don’t play a ranger, but do you people not see the problem with the fact that Rangers have to use a very specific weapon set and pet combo just to do a “decent” (which, apparently, is still pretty laughable compared to most other classes) amount of damage? AFAIK, no other class gets kittened this hard.
Necro. In pve anyway
When it comes to weapon choices for a decent amount of DPS (for their class, not compared to other classes) they have a better range of availability in PvE. Yes, they have an overall DPS problem, but it’s pretty balanced out regardless of weapon choice (few exceptions).
From what I’ve seen Ranger damage pretty much sucks unless you use sword+feline.
But what’s nice with ranger sword is you have multiple offhand options. That is something that is not easy to find in most classes. To have 3 decent offhand choices? That’s nuts. And I like it.
Consider the impact of personality type on the PUG-meta.
I have no problem running with speed groups or casual clears, but I don’t much enjoy starting groups, so I’m not regularly adding “Casual run, all classes welcome” entries to the group finder tool to be found.
I wonder if speed runners are just more aggressive about starting groups than casual players are, which puts a bias on the types of groups people stumble into.
Most speed runners have set groups or guilds to run with, I think.
If that were true, people wouldn’t be blundering into groups with them and getting kicked.
I think you’re mistaking a speed run with a general pug speed run, which is actually very rarely optimized.
I actually laughed a little at this entire thread. I don’t play a ranger, but do you people not see the problem with the fact that Rangers have to use a very specific weapon set and pet combo just to do a “decent” (which, apparently, is still pretty laughable compared to most other classes) amount of damage? AFAIK, no other class gets kittened this hard.
Necro. In pve anyway
Yeah… my two original classes.
That’s harsh. I just leveled a ranger because I like to RP with it.
Consider the impact of personality type on the PUG-meta.
I have no problem running with speed groups or casual clears, but I don’t much enjoy starting groups, so I’m not regularly adding “Casual run, all classes welcome” entries to the group finder tool to be found.
I wonder if speed runners are just more aggressive about starting groups than casual players are, which puts a bias on the types of groups people stumble into.
Most speed runners have set groups or guilds to run with, I think.
I actually laughed a little at this entire thread. I don’t play a ranger, but do you people not see the problem with the fact that Rangers have to use a very specific weapon set and pet combo just to do a “decent” (which, apparently, is still pretty laughable compared to most other classes) amount of damage? AFAIK, no other class gets kittened this hard.
I would posit that encouraging a newbie to waste gold and time on gear and strategies that are not efficient or as good (I’m assuming that he does not want to spend hours in a single dungeon) is a terrible thing and you should get in trouble for griefing.
This implies that all people play for the same reasons you do… to do the content in the fastest, more efficient means possible. However, it’s downright foolish to assume such. Some people play simply to play, and therefore have just as much right to play how they please as you do. So what if it’s not the most efficient, or provides the most DPS. If the group as a whole is enjoying itself (after all, this is supposed to be a game about the ‘journey’ not the ‘destination’ as I keep being told), then what is the issue?
He’s asking for people to accept rangers into their groups.
But most people automatically assume the ranger is terrible without giving them a chance. That’s the issue here, and he’s simply pointing out that while yes some do suck, not all do and not all should be automatically rejected based on the failings of others.
Because the majority of people do not want to spend more time than they need to in a dungeon (sure you can say that not everyone wants to play that way, but the majority DO)
Ah yes… the whole ‘must get the cookie noooooooooow’ mentality that has infected so many. Gods forbid you take 5 or even 10 more minutes. You might miss a shiny you could have gotten because you had time for ‘just 1 more run.’ Such mentality is a disease.
You know what mentality is a disease? One that doesn’t get having a run last 10 minutes longer can actually be too much for a player like myself, with a family, house, job, etc. so stop telling me that that time doesn’t matter, because it matters to me, and other people who don’t have all the time in the world.
Also, it isn’t usually 10 minutes. If I run with an optimized group versus a free for all, on average, it’s about an hour longer.
Stop telling me false information. Stop spreading the real disease.
I would posit that encouraging a newbie to waste gold and time on gear and strategies that are not efficient or as good (I’m assuming that he does not want to spend hours in a single dungeon) is a terrible thing and you should get in trouble for griefing.
Why, exactly, is it a waste to give advice? He doesn’t have to take it, that’s his choice. If you’re a speed clearer, I understand why you posited such a helpful statement but if you want a versatile class in AND outside of dungeons or play solo in PvE or WvW, I promise that your big strong DPS machine won’t be worth kitten unless you get close to actually hit the ranger who will have crippled you and made your hammer worthless.
I would posit that encouraging a newbie to waste gold and time on gear and strategies that are not efficient or as good (I’m assuming that he does not want to spend hours in a single dungeon) is a terrible thing and you should get in trouble for griefing.
This implies that all people play for the same reasons you do… to do the content in the fastest, more efficient means possible. However, it’s downright foolish to assume such. Some people play simply to play, and therefore have just as much right to play how they please as you do. So what if it’s not the most efficient, or provides the most DPS. If the group as a whole is enjoying itself (after all, this is supposed to be a game about the ‘journey’ not the ‘destination’ as I keep being told), then what is the issue?
He’s asking for people to accept rangers into their groups.
Because the majority of people do not want to spend more time than they need to in a dungeon (sure you can say that not everyone wants to play that way, but the majority DO) a way to stop the oppression of rangers is to have more rangers accept that their bows and bears are not as good as their other options.
Facts and logic, mmk?
Antara, rangers are not in the worst place in dungeons as long as they build their character how it is best optimized. He’s not being griefed. And Mahariel and others have given solutions to the bad perception of rangers. No one listens.
I would posit that encouraging a newbie to waste gold and time on gear and strategies that are not efficient or as good (I’m assuming that he does not want to spend hours in a single dungeon) is a terrible thing and you should get in trouble for griefing.
I was and was too squishy and not doing as much damage as I do now as condition damage with a short bow. I do much more dmg with a short bow and am able to survive a lot better than if i do the zerker thing that everyone is so focused on.
this whole biased play style against rangers is absolutely ridiculous.
Sorry, but speed clearers aren’t interested in carrying bearbows, or any ranged player full stop. Bearbows get kicked from my groups as quickly as warriors with longbows.
So if you actually make an effort to be useful (spoiler alert – condition damage isn’t useful), welcome aboard.
Otherwise, stop wasting the time of speed clearers.
Note to OP: ^ These are the groups to avoid.
There are many helpful, friendly groups out there, just have to find them. Ignore the rest
For the record, Mahariel constantly teaches newbies how to do Arah and other dungeons. He is the type of person, OP, that you should be happy to learn from.
That may be true, but he fails to state such, and only degrades those who are unaware or unexperienced with the Ranger class. Not only is that post disrespectful, it certainly didn’t help the OP in his question.
The OPs post does not come off as a question. It is a statement. The ranger class is oppressed. That’s his conjecture.
Mahariel and others know how to make rangers not oppressed. That information was given, stomped on by people who don’t know what they’re talking about, and then he was personally insulted by another forumer.
Don’t tell me that his post was insulting. Look at the posts of those people you agree with and maybe you’ll see the true cancer of this forum.
