Guild Wars 2

Dash.7108:

I can’t remember where exactly I read it, but I’m pretty sure the Giganticus Lupicus in Arah is a baby.

It had an adult complexion (large and slender arms, small head) I really doubt it was a baby.

My guess would be those bones are from sea serpents. When the Chrystal Desert was a sea.

Edit: serpent snakes? seriously?? lol. I meant sea serpents. Thanks Konig

Narcemus.1348:

Whether or not Melandru is Melaggan, I find it highly unlikely that she is dead. I mean the death of a god should be something big to be expanded upon in my mind. There is every possibility that the quaggan misinterpreted the situation or made assumptions. Either way, much like you will not believe Zhaitan is dead, I will not believe Melandru is dead until it is made lore.

Yeah. There’s as much lore saying Zhaitan is dead as there’s saying the same about Melandru. The only difference is that we’ve seen Zhaitan falling from a tower, defeated.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

@Ludovicus: The difference between us eating an ox and a dragon eating a god is that a gods’ magic is indestructible and the one who absorbs it gains that power of godhood, just as Kormir usurped Abaddon. So if the DSD ate Melandru, then the DSD would not only be an Elder Dragon, but a Dragon God.

We’ve seen Kormir absorbing Abaddon’s magic due to the gift that the gods gave to her. But a god’s magic it’s not indestructible, it is jut too much to dissipate without issues like realm + continent blasting explosions on its own.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Similarly, the Elder Dragons seem to gain strength as they eat more magic, perhaps this is indeed akin to simply not starving, but it’s really impossible to be certain.

Nonetheless, eating a god would definitely make it stronger than otherwise. And give it the domain of the god alongside the Elder Dragons’ own natural domain.

A dragon eating a mirror that ports you to places doesn’t gain the ability to port things. We saw how Kormir absorbed Abaddon’s power via the gift of the gods. And she was indeed a proper vessel for such power. But we know the dragons do not get imbued in the magic they eat. My theory is that they just eat it for their nourishment. This would mean that a dragon could eat a god without becoming one.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Either way, irregardless of Melaggan’s state, I doubt that Melaggan=Melandru in the first place.

There’s more evidence stating that Melandru is Melaggan than stating that they’re separate beings. (see the PAX reference bellow the wiki article)
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Melaggan

Thalador.4218:

Then Tyria is f***ed. Is Tyria kitten’d by a dragon empowered by the eternal divine energies of a god? Nope.

The dragons don’t make much use of their magic other than creating minions.
They don’t have big motivations other than eating magic and destroying whatever it’s on their way.
I think that if a dragon has eaten a god, it just has a full belly and that’s all. It’s not very more dangerous than before, just well fed.
This is because I think that dragons are made of magic and they eat it because they’re made of it like we eat food.
If we eat an ox, it doesn’t empower us with the ox strength.

I missed the fireworks’ celebration this weekend.
Do I have to wait until next year to get the achievement?

When a god dies, it’s magic is released and that’s a huge danger because it can explode wildly. But if there’s a dragon to absorb that magic instead…

Well, Melaggan err… Melandru might be dead.

Morphic.7045:

When was this name confirmed? or is it just another “bubbles” idea…

The name comes from the crucible of eternity dungeon.
There are 3 attacks made by subject alpha that have dragon names:
Teeth of primordous
Teeth of jormag
Teeth of mordremoth
For more info, look at the wiki:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mordremoth

SlothBear.9846:

I would love to go back and replay missions, even for no reward at all.

This is an very reasonable option too.

Narcemus.1348:

What you are saying is we destroyed the physical form of Zhaitan, but his magical essence may still exist somewhere and reform. The only problem I have with this theory is that in the land of Tyria and even in the Mists, it seems that for magic of such large concentration to stay together it needs some sort of physical form. I mean technically Abaddon should have been able to still survive on some higher level as a being of pure magic, but instead the magic started to release violently. I think a similar situation is what is happening with Zhaitan, only on a much less violent level. The magic that made up Zhaitan is being released back into Tyria. I do have to wonder, though, if such a concentration of magic energy can go un-tampered with, or if it becomes inert, if it doesn’t leave some sort of blight on the land because of the malicious nature of it.

I’m saying something similar, but not exactly that.
What I’m saying is that the dragons are the aspects of magic itself. Meaning that their very bodies are magic, and a very stable state of it (like materia in FF7). Cutting a dragon in a half wouldn’t cause any explosion nor cataclysm. It would just create two big chunks of solidified magic.
I’m saying that magic tends to aggregate in some way through the millennia. And those are the dragons. You can destroy the aggregated aspect of magic. But it would aggregate again and it would awaken again.
This also means that we could see in the future some Zhaitan kittenelics with immense magical power ready to be tapped on.
Of course I have no lore to sustain this. But I just wanted to state my theory in a clear way.

Narcemus.1348:

But the Order of Whispers is no where near infallible. In my mind, the idea of Zhaitan not being dead comes more from groups of people who just refuse to believe that a dungeon as “lame” as Arah was a fight against an epic Elder Dragon. That being said, we’ll know the truth when more land opens up and we get to see the rest of Orr. If Zhaitan’s body isn’t located somewhere in the rest of Orr, then I’ll definitely join the “He Ain’t Dead!” club.

What I believe is that we put him to slumber for other ~10 000 years. I believe that even if we destroy its body we cannot kill him. That the dragons are a natural consequence of the existence of magic and that they will form over time somewhere in Tyria. I don’t think we will fight Zhaitan again (unless we have some kind of time travel device that takes us ~10 000 years to the future) but I don’t think he’s dead. He’s just defeated with a ~10 000 years respawn.
Does this even sound logical?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Abaddon’s explosion of magic is something unique unto gods – we’re told via the Apostate that a god’s power is indestructible, but the mantle can be passed on; based from Abaddon’s death if the god is killed and the mantle not passed on, that power seems to go critical.

The Thaumanova Reactor Fallout is a different situation entirely. It was a reactor powered by chaos magic that exploded.

Elder Dragons, unlike gods, do not contain indestructible magic, they simply consume and exude magic. Magic itself, even in large concentrations, is not explosive or volatile, though it can make the land mobile in the form of elementals, by all evidence. Also keep in mind that Zhaitan was being starved for who-knows-how-long, effectively reducing the amount of magic within him.

Or we just didn’t fully killed Zhaitan. Without a corpse, there’s no evidence.
Remember The order of whispers believes that the dragons cannot be truly killed.
And the order of whispers have amassed a good amount of information.

FangedTerror.3852:

It is possible to join your friend. Simply be in the same party and in the same zone when he enters the instance and you will be asked to join.

Your lvl will also be downscaled to the lvl of the story

Yup, this feature is fully operational. You can join anyone’s personal story so long as you’re in the same map, in the same party and your friend triggers the story step.

IDK if you need to be in the same overflow server, but I think this is not an issue now.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Only because he’s trading at a 4 to 1 ratio. So for every transaction, he has 3 items more for whatever purposes he has.

Though in full seriousness, I doubt the Mystic Forge’s “reserves” could be considered lore full out.

Haha, of course. I was just fooling around.

And you know what would be even more awesome?
If you had a crew member/friend/war-band mate at your home instance that had the track of your story like the historian did in the first nightfall mission.
This would be only an immersive feature. It’d be perfectly ok if you could play activate the mission you would want to go to in the personal story tab and the green star appeared in the world map like when you did that step of the personal story the first time.

Ok, so you’re saying the destroyers are corrupted rock and lava.

Narcemus.1348:

But Ludo, the 1 for 1 ratio you are talking about is no different from the 1 to 1 ratio is the same/similar as the 1 for 1 ratio of humans, norn, charr, and asura. Meaning, it’s not the same as dragon corruption. New life is made overall, it isn’t a conglomeration of parts.

My point is that what Primordious and only Primordious does should be considered not only corruption, but creation.
It’s like an asura creating a golem.
Mening that being a dragon doesn’t forbid you from creating. Just because the Jormag, Kralk and Zhaitan don’t create minions, it doesn’t mean Mordremoth and Chtulhu are not able to do that.

Hello there, fellow tyrians.

I was talking the other day with a friend about the blandness of some parts of the personal story and I came to a possible issue there. The pace of the dialog.

In the personal story, one dialog waits for the later to end in order to start and it normally does that like 1 second or so. That breaks the pace of the story. Sometimes characters should interrupt each other, sometimes they should be left thinking for a while without speaking. These thing set the pace of a dialog.

I think that’s something that could’ve been done better.

¿Thoughts?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Because Djinn do not consume magic? They, like other races, don’t reduce the amount there is but only changes its shape?

That’s my theory.

Only Imps and Elder Dragons have shown to consume magic. And Imps are demons from the Mists, it seems.

That djinn must have a sizable cache of magic then.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Destroyers are “made” using rocks and lava – yes, as I said; but this is done via corrupting the rock and lava into minions. But sylvari are not born from taking the plantlife around them and being twisted into a humanoid shape. They’re born like any other plant is born.

As said before, destroyers are made from the land itself – just like risen are made from the corpses. It’s an equal 1-for-1 ratio of the environment being reduced to make more dragon minions. Sylvari lack this aspect, as the environment’s not being reduced in the sylvari’s creations (otherwise the Maguuma would pretty much be barren of plantlife due to the rate at which sylvari are born now).

The enviroment is being reduced but just as any regular plant would reduce it, by consuming water, carbon dioxide an some soil components, while fueled by the sun. If that even exists in Tyria (I’m guessing it does).
The matter ratio is still 1-for-1 it’s just not that obvious.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The Herald only mentioned the statue. This I’ve found. But these “many Marriner Plaque all around Lion’s Arch” that the OP mentioned at the end are unknown to me.

Ah, those!
They’re all around LA. They look like pulpits and they’re the size of one.
I remember there’s one near the lion’s gate, at the lighthouse. But there are plenty.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

wouw.5837:

There are 2 kinds of candy wich are named after a dragon one is named after Zaithan (SPOILER HE IS DEAD)
and the other one is named after Kralketorikk,

This super amount of proof must mean it’s Kralkie who is next!

If that’s your argument – which is incredibly poor – there’s also candy named after Jormag (Jorbreakers, I think it was called – a pun of jaw breakers; just like Zhaitaffy is a pun of taffy candy, and Kralkachocolate is, well, obvious). The dragon bull’s eye boards are also of those three champions – The Shatterer, the Claw of Jormag, and Tequatl.

And face it – Kralkatorrik, Zhaitan, and Jormag are the most up front Elder Dragons. Of course they’d be the one which gets everything named after them.

This hardly proves anything.

If you just wanted to make a thread about what people think will be the next Elder Dragon, a thread exists related to Dragon Bash.

wouw.5837:

and what if we destroy the ED, isn’t the world going to be imbalanced?

There’s nothing to really support this claim. There’s a hypothesis that magic continuously is created in the world and the Elder Dragons “balance” it by being a reset button for it (with the side-effect of wiping out almost all life), but it’s just a hypothesis and no indication of what happens if that reset button isn’t pressed.

And my question is. Why would we need those gigantic magic toilets when we have the mystic forge?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

-snip-
Don’t forget that dragons cannot create, only corrupt pre-existing things.
-snip-

On a complete aside subject… Weren’t the destroyers created from rocks and lava the same way that the sylvari were created from sap, brambles, leaves and other plant parts?

Note that I’m not saying that the sylvari are dragon minions. I think they’re not. I agree with you about the NC being the only sylvari with any potential to be related somehow with Mordremoth.

But i thought the destroyers were created by Primordious not corrupted. And if they were corrupted. What’s their original form?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Kilic, that plaque is what Dasor was translating.

My question is where are these “Marriner Plaques” around LA?

You can ask to the living story npc, that with the scroll and a yellow star on top of his head. That’s the way I found out of the place. And I think it is the most immersive way to find out.

But if you don’t want to do that…
It's near the shattered gate, in the south-western part of LA

Obsidian.1328:

Narcemus.1348:

Nope Obsidian, this is my theory, and the asura aren’t alien enough. They need more tentacles and other strange stuff attached for it to work.

Karka back piece?

Brilliant!!

Totally agree, shameless bump

Narcemus.1348:

Nope Obsidian, this is my theory, and the asura aren’t alien enough. They need more tentacles and other strange stuff attached for it to work.

Do you mean the aliens that made the gods retreat from tyria? Those aliens lurking in the mists? Those which their race created the gods? Those aliens?

Narcemus.1348:

Alright then, Abaddon is alive.
Alien races will soon descend, destroy the elder dragons with quick shots of lasers and take over the world.
The DSD is really a My Little Pony doll… AND SO ARE HIS MINIONS!!!

All of this is equally true in your eyes, because none of it can be proven wrong. All of this could possibly happen, and none of you can stop me from saying it will! Muahahahaha!!!

It’d be funny if the seers did that.
And I know, humans are the aliens in Tyria and the seers are the locals.
But aesthetically it would look like that.

About the DSD and his minions. OMG I was trying to get some game reference to his looks and now I cannot shake the my little pony doll image from my mind. It’s like the second “Charly the Unicorn” episode, when they go to the bottom of the sea.

Chaaarlyyyy… Chaaaaaaaaaarly… Charly!

Maybe you’re referring to the idea I posted today?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/story/replaying-personal-story/first#post2207161

redslion.9675:

Zhaitan was slain with the firepower of an airship.

Built by the pact, and led by Destiny’s edge.

Painking.4703:

Honestly I think it’s entirely for continuity reasons, same with Kormir jacking your spotlight in GW. They need to be able to say “Zhaitan was slain by Firstborn Sylvari Trahearne”. Not, “Zhaitain was slain by the commander of the pact but we know absolutely nothing about him.”

Zhaitan was slain by the pact and Destiny’s edge.

Crossplay.2067:

mercury ranique.2170:

Pitching means playing the recored voice faster. This would mean it goes out of snyc with lip movement and emotes your character makes in cinematics.

No, it’s possible to change the pitch without altering the speed. I have a winamp plug-in that can do this. It’s also been done for Phantasy Star Universe.

This ^
Pitching options are not as hard to implement.
A different voice acting and dialogs based on your character personality is a completely different beast.

Hello, fellow tyrians.

I was having a blast while playing gw2 in the company of a friend of mine that he’s recently recovered his interest in the game. The thing is he doesn’t remember anything about the first 20 levels of his personal story because he dropped the game a while ago. And now he wants to play it again.

We used to play gw1 back in the day and we loved the fact that you could replay the most important parts of the story via replaying the missions. And we were looking for a feature like that in this new game… to no avail.

This goes for the devs: The feature that we were looking for was an ability to replay a specific personal story step. The reasonable restrictions would be the following:

1. You should only get karma and experience for the replayed mission (like accompanying a friend in his personal story)
2. The choices you made the first time you did the personal story are mandatory so:
a) Either the choices you take while replaying the mission have no effect.
b) Or the choices you made the first time you played the mission are the only choices available in the dialog boxes of the replayed version of it, being the other choices disabled.

What do you say?
Wouldn’t it be cool?
If you agree, give me a +1

PS. I was looking for a post addressing this, but I didn’t find any.

Obsidian.1328:

Konig

Hmm, I’m not so sure. These aren’t real-life subjects that anyone can verify though, it’s high fantasy. And until creators put stuff down into some intentional medium of virtual existence it’s really only true for that creator and not for anyone else. A writer can dream up all sorts of things in his head, but unless one of the mediums of his storytelling is, say, interviews, then it doesn’t really matter.

What he or she finally decides to put into the game is what matters, and becomes the “finished product” of his/her creative thoughts. And whatever future expansions or whatnot he or she dream up still stay just a personal existence until they decide to insert it into the game-world, because that world is the only place where it is supposed to exist. At which point it becomes “real” for all intensive purposes.

If Guild Wars was merely a song that Jeff Grub, for instance, dreamt up but never actually produced and sang…then it’s just a song that exists for him. Yeah he can tell his buddies all about this cool song he has, but until he actually writes it down and sings it, or someone else does lol, it’s just part of his mind. Heck he could even belt out a few lines for kicks, but that doesn’t give the whole song justice. We could even misinterpret what few lines he gives us because we have no context with which to examine it…it’s just pieces of the whole floating around with no meaning.

Now, how the various npc’s or whatever tell it in the game is really how the writer wants us to see how those npc’s see it. The ultimate truths of the game remain hidden until the writer(s) decides to reveal that to us gamers… through the lens of the game-world. Until then it’s all just heresay.

An earthquake could hit ANet studios and destroy everything and everyone that knows what is to be installed in a Guild Wars expansion, at which point whatever was said at any interview relating to future content becomes completely moot because it will never make it into the game.

I mean, what your saying is like if ANet had folded and dissolved right before development for GW2, then all that stuff they mentioned about a 3rd Guild Wars expansion with the meso-American theme(can’t remember the name right now!) is perfectly legit as game canon. That certainly wasn’t the case, was it?

I fully agree with this.
And you can say that the product is finished when the song is recorded. Even though the rest of the album is not finished.
Like the already written lore and the lore yet to be written.

PS. The expansion was named Utopia

Narcemus.1348:

Obsidian.1328:

True…but I would think written or otherwise visual representation of something in the actual game takes precedence over an interview. After all, it’s the finished product(granted future editing certainly comes into play). Gamer conventions, or similar events, aren’t courtrooms or publishing houses. Their answers aren’t really expected to be set in stone.

OMG! I can’t help but laugh that you state the actual game takes precedence when you look at the current game and just scoff at it!

That being said, when a lore and continuity designer tells me the guy is dead, I take it to mean that the guy is dead.

Not if he regrets having said that.

Dustfinger.9510:

Narcemus.1348:

I do have to point out that Jeff Grubb came out and stated that Abaddon is dead, flat out dead. I sadly do not have the link though, but hopefully one of the elder lorekeepers can help me out there. I checked the wiki and didn’t find the link I am looking for.

here it is. This isn’t the interview but it references that interview.

I remembered that in one interview Grubb had mentioned that he felt that killing Abaddon in Guild Wars Nightfall was the wrong decision. Clearly it closed doors that Grubb was not ready to close. http://www.killtenrats.com/2011/03/18/gw2-pax-chat-with-jeff-grubb/

Well it says that that comment was a clarification he regretted. And since there’s nothing written in the lore that actually denies Abaddon’s reappearance, they could go tabula rasa about that subject and resurrect him any time.
From my point of view, interviews are good for understanding the lore, but they’re not a reliable source. Writers can change their minds if nothing is written yet.

Dustfinger.9510:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The real question we need is this: do the schools incorporate all magic divided perfectly, or is there magic that can exist outside the scope of the four schools?

This is a good question. I know the bloodstones are a collection of the un-corrupted magic. I took this to mean that there must be corrupted magic outside the bounds of the bloodstones but now I see it is possible that the corrupted magic may have still been magic that was in the category of that incorporated in the bloodstones. hmm.

Well, I think ritualists are the best example of magic outside of the bounds of the bloodstones.

@Konig Des Todes:
Of course I called a conspiracy theorist myself. You made me feel like that due to your reasoning, not by saying anything about me.

Edit : grammar

Narcemus.1348:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

But I just simply think it’s a mistake to try to limit the Elder Dragons to the four schools of magic, because lets face it – they don’t use the four schools of magic. They predate the bloodstone which predates the schools. We cannot think of the Elder Dragons’ magic in four simple dimensions. Nor can we think of the gods’ magic under them – I bet the schools were modeled after the gods’ magic, but certainly not everything the gods have.

Oh I pray you do not believe that I was actually taking into consideration this theory. I was more trying to disprove the Bloodstone-God-ED theory presented by Ludo by showing that the scenario just doesn’t work. I merely threw Kralkatorrik in the Preservation as a very hard to define possibility and nothing more. I personally don’t think there is any connection whatsoever.

Hahaha, you both made me feel like the conspiracy theorist of the lore forum. The funny thing is that even though you’ve presented plenty and rational points. I still feel there’s a connection there.
I’d even put the 6 starting professions from GW1 in there.
Warrior: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Champion_of_Balthazar
Monk: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Avatar_of_Dwayna_
Necro: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Voice_of_Grenth
Ranger: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Melandru%27s_Watcher
Mesmer: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lyssa%27s_Muse
Elementalist: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Avatar_of_Kormir

<< ALIENS >>

And before you prove me wrong, let me do that myself:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gods_of_Tyria
(see the patronage)

mercury ranique.2170:

Ludovicus.7980:

Gandarel.5091:

Ludovicus.7980:

Gandarel.5091:

Ludovicus.7980:

Gandarel.5091:

They’ve been nerfed to make other races to feel better by removing things from the lore, like they are no longer credited with creating the world.

However, controlling the elements, having power over your soul, having their own realms, and also having the ability to give magic or seal that away from every single race is something that is definitely something. This means they aren’t just powerful magic users but control magic itself.

Also, they are immortals (can’t die naturally).

Did Abaddon die?

Is stabbing a defeated, chained down god while searing him with fireballs, a natural death?

You got me wrong. I’m saying they cannot die, even unnaturally.

But.. he got killed. Kormir absorbed his power, but didn’t become him.

Kormir absorbed his power, but I’m not sure if he died. He could’ve become just powerless. And he could’ve been put in some kind of slumber like Dhum, just by different means.
I think we don’t have proof, beyond reasonable doubt that he died when we struck him down.

The cinematic actually hint that he indeed isn’t dead. This is what matters in my opinion:

’
<Party leader>: “Abaddon?”
Kormir: “No. His power. His knowledge. But not him. His will is broken. There is a new god of secrets. There is a new day.”
’

I don’t think it is equal to Dhuum either. Dhuum got sealed away (and re-sealed). Abaddon is different. He got robbed of all his powers. What there is left of him is unknown.

Well stated.

Gandarel.5091:

Ludovicus.7980:

Gandarel.5091:

Ludovicus.7980:

Gandarel.5091:

They’ve been nerfed to make other races to feel better by removing things from the lore, like they are no longer credited with creating the world.

However, controlling the elements, having power over your soul, having their own realms, and also having the ability to give magic or seal that away from every single race is something that is definitely something. This means they aren’t just powerful magic users but control magic itself.

Also, they are immortals (can’t die naturally).

Did Abaddon die?

Is stabbing a defeated, chained down god while searing him with fireballs, a natural death?

You got me wrong. I’m saying they cannot die, even unnaturally.

But.. he got killed. Kormir absorbed his power, but didn’t become him.

Kormir absorbed his power, but I’m not sure if he died. He could’ve become just powerless. And he could’ve been put in some kind of slumber like Dhum, just by different means.
I think we don’t have proof, beyond reasonable doubt that he died when we struck him down.

Gandarel.5091:

Ludovicus.7980:

Gandarel.5091:

They’ve been nerfed to make other races to feel better by removing things from the lore, like they are no longer credited with creating the world.

However, controlling the elements, having power over your soul, having their own realms, and also having the ability to give magic or seal that away from every single race is something that is definitely something. This means they aren’t just powerful magic users but control magic itself.

Also, they are immortals (can’t die naturally).

Did Abaddon die?

Is stabbing a defeated, chained down god while searing him with fireballs, a natural death?

You got me wrong. I’m saying they cannot die, even unnaturally.

Gandarel.5091:

They’ve been nerfed to make other races to feel better by removing things from the lore, like they are no longer credited with creating the world.

However, controlling the elements, having power over your soul, having their own realms, and also having the ability to give magic or seal that away from every single race is something that is definitely something. This means they aren’t just powerful magic users but control magic itself.

Also, they are immortals (can’t die naturally).

Did Abaddon die?

The equivalent to wow quest texts are the scouts’ introduction to zones.
That and the open world dialogs.

@Konig
Just one thing. There’s now school of aggravation. It’s aggression.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Magic

jheryn.8390:

@Konig – I agree with you. 100% There is nothing wrong with wanting people to look things up. You are not understanding what I am saying. Here is as nutshell as I can make it.
1. Point out when people should use the search but do not be mean about it.
2. Realize that not everyone thinks to use the search when they are new to the forums. Again point it out but don’t be rude.
3. If you see a thread that has been posted before, it doesn’t give anyone the right to hit the thread and start being a jerk. If you can’t say something nice…etc., etc., etc.
4. No one is forcing anyone to comment on a thread. If you see a topic that has been done before repeatedly. Ignore the new one. It isn’t hurting you. Move on.
5. I find it pretty funny that people would get annoyed by a repeated topic. Who cares?

Mostly this

IMHO the relation between the gods and the dragons is like it was the existence of Mordremoth.
It’s certainly not confirmed in the lore (we all agree with that) but it’s hinted.

@Konig Des Todes:
Since you didn’t see the link through the schools, let me elaborate:
All the schools have a pure form and some deviations, that’s what allowed the original classes to flourish.
Monks (Preservation) had some destructive ways to preserve (smite condition, for instance)
Necromancers (Aggression) were able to summon fiendish minions not even though it wasn’t their aggression itself, but aggression put into flesh.
Mesmers (Denial) were able to twist and turn things in their favor, unleashing chaos. They denied their opponents ability to do anything by twisting him/her.
Elementalists(Destruction) wielded power to destroy magic itself and feed on it (ether renewal, aura of restoration)

I see the same raw power on the visible dragons.
Jormag is a monkish dragon (Dwayina)
Kralkatorrik is a mesmerish dragon (Lyssa)
Primordious is an elementalish dragon (Balthazar)
Zhaithan is a necroish dragon (Grenth)

For the other two dragons, we know little about them:
One is unknown and possibly related to the jungle. Thing that points to Melandru.
The other is deep in the sea and has driven some species away. Knowing nothing about this last dragon, nothing forbid us to peer it with Kormir.

To conclude this entry I just want to say that I know that there’s nothing in the lore that confirms any connection between the gods and the dragons but the fact that they might’ve tapped into Zhaitan’s power in Orr. But there’s nothing that says the contrary. And they have thematical and aesthetical similarities.

Dustfinger.9510:

Ludovicus.7980:

Dustfinger.9510:

Like one of Dr. Jekel’s associates taking something out of the hands of Mr. Hyde because he knows the will of the good doctor. It’s still possible.

Yup, it makes sense. But the thing is, there’s nothing saying that the gods and the dragons are the same. I see in them more like a ying-yang relationship.

This.

Nothing at all points to it beyond a common “number of perpetrators” and the fact that they are never seen in the same place at once. So, not nearly enough to “make an arrest” but definatly enough to keep an eye out for and at least acknowledge the possibility without making a definitive statement about how it isn’t true.

And this sums it all folks

Dustfinger.9510:

Like one of Dr. Jekel’s associates taking something out of the hands of Mr. Hyde because he knows the will of the good doctor. It’s still possible.

Yup, it makes sense. But the thing is, there’s nothing saying that the gods and the dragons are the same. I see in them more like a ying-yang relationship.

@Konig Des Todes: I’ve never said that the gods and the dragons are the same. I agree with you in that it doesn’t make any sense.
What I’m saying is that they share something. Some raw power that I personally believe the dragons wield as their very essence in a way brutal and out of control and the gods have only tapped into it.
I think there’s some underlying story for that power and I wouldn’t be surprised if we find a 6th lost bloodstone (since we know they were 5 in GW1 http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Bloodstone).

There’s a theme there. The absolute power divided in 6.
The 4 schools of magic are easy to relate:

Dwayna – school of preservation (bloodstone known)
Jormag – brutal preservation on Ice

Lyssa – school of denial (bloodstone known)
Kralkatorrik – brutal denial, distortion of reality

Balthazar – school of destruction (bloodstone known)
Primordious – brutal destruction by fire

Grenth – school of aggression (bloodstone known)
Zhaithan – brutal aggression through your very fallen allies

Now the 2 gods which are out of the schools of magic:

Melandru – life and earth
Mordramoth – brutal production of life and earth (well, we don’t really know much about this fellow)

Kormir – knowledge (they key bloodstone I guess)
Bubbles – for all we know he could be the more knowledgeable of all dragons (we know nothing about him)

I must repeat myself: I think the gods and the dragons are totally separate beings, but related somehow, like a screw and a screwdriver.

Narcemus.1348:

Monkeys maybe, but you don’t know how the mind of a Mist Monkey works!

EDIT: but as fun as this has been, we should probably revert something closer to the point of the OP, lol.

I don’t mid, but since we’re in the lore forum. I guess it’s the right thing to do.

The whole banana discussion gave me and idea.

What if Tyrian doesn’t have a 3D shape at all?
We see the map on the chantry of secrets with repeated parts and that’s kind of inconsistent. But if Tyria was a closed plane, with the mechanics of a torus world, but actually flat, that would defy what we know about physics. But hey, so does magic?

So what do you say? Any chances for Tyria to be a flat world? Is it possible lore-wise?