random smoke aoes are nearly impossible to see and keeps are huge places.
Theres a big red circle to help point it out for you. If you can’t see it and your only argument is “the place is too big!”
Then it’s a L2P issue.
I love it when thief players defend their profession with most ridiculous comparisons and use the term “learn 2 play”.
Stealth is utterly broken, especially in WvWvW. Stealth = unfun for all those who are not using it. WvWvW would be better with the stealth and teleportation mechanisms completely removed or reworked.
GW2 has game mechanisms similar to FPS game. Now imagine a FPS game, where there are several professions. One profession, let’s call it infiltrator, can become invisible when he wants and no enemy action can reveal him from invisibility. Even if infiltrator walks into a cloud of smoke or enters water or enemy makes him bleed like hell, infiltrator is still invisible. And enemy with a rifle cannot even target him. While he is invisible the rifle bullets just don’t hit him even if you guess his exact location. He also does huge damage, his attacks are blindingly fast and he can teleport as well, move 50% faster while being invisible. Then we have another profession, let’s call it soldier, who has better armor, higher health, but his high damage attacks are slowly telegraphed and very easily dodged. Would this game be balanced? Hell NO.
Its the attitude of a typical thief and shows how intelligent they actually are. Most thieves prefer to call you noob for not being able to combat their broken stealth mechanic instead of giving insight on how to fight a thief. That also shows how mature most thieves are too – not very.
In other games (WoW, Warhammer online) thieves could only stealth a once or twice, and LOSE THEIR STEALTH WHEN ATTACKED <—- which is a brilliant idea, but I doubt aNet will consider it.
Well, other game developers actually know balance. Rogues in WoW were a great class in PvE and PvP and didn’t need a broken stealth while in combat every 12 secs mechanic to be good. GW2 thieves are pansies compared to other games. They need to lean on the crutch that is stealth every 12 secs while in combat to be any good at PvP. The fact so many thieves are horrible at PvE is proof that this class is really not all that great and only reason they excel so well at PvP is because they can stealth mid-combat. You will even see thieves say “we’re not that great at huge groups in WvW”. So the point of a thief in WvW is to tag a keep waypoint, randomly kill solo people that are just traversing the map to get somewhere and take camps? Out of those 3, taking out camps is the only useful, non cheap one.
Thieves are fine.
Most thieves using 25/30/0/0/15 can be beaten without taking a single hit from them.
I agree that the spec may be a bit too easy to use and can be frustrating to play against if you’re a noob.
Glad you’re giving such great insight to combatting a thief. You’re not calling everyone a noob at all. Oh wait…
People like you don’t help the problem. “Oh you can’t kill a thief in that spec, you’re a noob.” You’re so helpful!
No moron, you didn’t win. It just means he got away and he’s going to keep tagging a keep or some other objective. I see you play a thief, this is why you’re calling everyone noob and saying thieves are ok. You’re part of the problem. Instead of giving friendly advice against thieves, you call those who can’t kill them noobs? Are you stupid?
I’m talking about soloing a tower during non PvDoor moments. I’m talking about like in that video where the other team is present and able to take you out if they see you.
PvDoor is a completely different game. You’re right, anyone can more than likely solo a tower during PvDoor. Crap, you could probably solo a keep during those times (if you have the appropriate siege).
my ranger in full zerk can do a 7k rapid fire assuming every shot lands and enough vulnerability on a light armor uplevel. usually closer to 4k.
a thief can do 7k dmg by hitting 2 and also hit 2 repeatedly on no cooldown. 7K! 14K! 21k!
BAM.
well honestly i wanted to roll a thief before,but when i saw that u just have to press 2 buttons i changed my mind. I’d rather create an awesome combo with my mesmer or warrior and feel good after.(btw whe ever i win a 1v1 vs a good player i will bow to them for being a good player and not once i have bowed to a thief i killed)
This 500x over. I have no urge to play thief, because in WvW, they faceroll/hit 2 buttons to win and in PvE, 75% of thieves just fall over dead repeatedly. They have no skill to play well in PvP and more or less no skill at all in PvE. Why would anyone want to play this class? Oh yeah, to gloat over killing someone with instant 7k hits and being able to finish off someone from stealth.
Oh nice video – it proves all my points – thieves = no skill. Next. Try soloing a tower as any other class, go on, do it and post that video. Oh wait….
I’d be amazed if any MMO ever actually balanced the rogue/thief/assassin class correctly. GW1’s assassin was fine. Crap, even WoW’s rogue isn’t as cheap/faceroll’y as GW2’s thief. At least in WoW, you couldn’t stealth every 12 secs mid-combat. That should not be a thing, nor should stealthing to finish someone off. Noone would play thief if they couldn’t stealth mid-combat. Once again, no skill.
I wonder how long it’ll be until our server isn’t allowed to have match discussions anymore.
Honestly, if they allow the filth that has been the tier 1 threads carry on as long as they have, I highly doubt any server on our tier’s threads will be disallowed from posting.
Only a WvW player knows what it’s like to be feared off a cliff.
I did that to a mesmer that was trying to set up a portal in hills keep after we took it and he ended up dying.
Kinda like yours..
Only a WvW player knows what it’s like to be blasted off from a high place (hills keep outside lord’s room to be precise) – looooooong way down (this happened to me once, didn’t have spectral walk up to teleport back to safety – felt like I was falling forever).
Only a WvW player jumps off high cliffs (at the risk of dying) to reach an objective quicker.
Yeah, I thought we had a night presence too. I’ve been hoping we’d get EB blue keep at night at least once, so I can check that off my Necro’s WvW mapping tasks (my necro IS my WvW player mind you and not just doing wvw for the mapping, but might as well get it done, in case I ever actually finish PvE crap on her), but no dice. DB has an amazing day/morning presence and a pretty good night presence.
Well, eventually you will be blue and can get it then, I guess.
Yeah, I thought we had a night presence too. I’ve been hoping we’d get EB blue keep at night at least once, so I can check that off my Necro’s WvW mapping tasks (my necro IS my WvW player mind you and not just doing wvw for the mapping, but might as well get it done, in case I ever actually finish PvE crap on her), but no dice. DB has an amazing day/morning presence and a pretty good night presence.
Oh, a thief being a cheap player – not surprising, move along. From being able to finish move in stealth where the downed player has no chance of fighting back to throwing PvE consumables, what’s the next cheap things thieves will get?
Ehh, I hope FA never becomes a Tier 1 server. The competition in T3 and T2 is actually rather fun. No disrespect to Tier 1, but it has seemed to be about who has the largest overall presence and that’s been the case forever now. HoD had it at launch, then SoS had it in Nov/Dec, and now JQ has it. Again, no disrespect to tier 1 servers, especially JQ since it was my old server, but that’s how tier 1 seems to work, unfortunately.
If you’re using the amulet for fractals, why would you put in a utility infusion anyways? Wouldn’t it be better to put a infusion from the fractal vendor to get +5 AR? I would think you’d want as much AR as you can get if you’re asking about the inherent +5 AR.
Good question regardless.
Clarification of what I meant – I plan on getting my WvW necro a ascended amulet with karma infusion because I do not planning any fractals with her so I do not care at all about AR. On my ranger, however, I am going to get a amulet with defensive or offensive slot so I can get up to 35 AR when I have all my infused crap. 10 from back, 20 from rings, 5 from ascended amulet with +5 AR infusion.
New folks welcome to Blackgate. I look forward to working with you!
I will be the goofy looking guy laughing at Asurian’s as they try to carry as much supply as the Norn do.
Haha, you sir, win 1 internet. Norn could carry as much as a pack dolyak, that’s how awesome they are.
Woo, Eva update! Grats on the blue durito! More power to you if you’re willing to get that book – I can’t see forking over 100g for it. :x What can you do as a squad? I heard that a squad party will not show up entirely on the map – is that true?
The score pie graph looks fairly even tonight (not talking about the actual score).
Attention everyone, attention! My charrgineer is now at level 70. I would like to preemptively warn you all that I will singlehandedly win the match with my level 80 engineer within a matter of days. Prepare your borderlands.
Flamethrower/grenade/bomb all the thieves! I started working on my charrgineer the other night after finally getting cooking to 400 on him (already had maxed jewelcrafting). I am at lvl 25 and was able to unlock flamethrower immediately – so much fun. Grenades and bombs are good fun too. I look forward to trying engi out in WvW.
I’d welcome TC to tier 3 – DB/TC/FA would prob get a long well, but I also wouldn’t want to see TC go down a tier since they seem to really enjoy tier 2. I guess we’ll see what happens. :/
Really though, if you have to QQ or start fights in a thread like this (how lighthearted it is), your life must be that abyssmal. I dunno, but TC knows how to make threads comedic it seems. In T3 thread, while there’s a lot of QQ’ing, its almost as lighthearted as this one, thanks to the quirky posts about flame ram gods – that maguuma cult-like worship makes makes me lol. Everytime I see a flame ram in a random spot where Mag has been, it makes me chuckle. Small things like that make WvW more than just a ego stroke game.
I haven’t done Priory yet, but Tybalt and Forgal were amazing. When I heard Forgal’s voice, oh was thinking “Oh crap! Its Colonel Forgal!” since it was the same voice acting as Colonel Campbell from Metal Gear Solid series. His death line was also pretty epic.
Warmaster Forgal Kernsson: You may win the battle, dragon, but you will never defeat our spirit!
Warmaster Forgal Kernsson: I am Forgal, son of Kern. My father was the last Dolyak Shaman! I am a Warmaster of the Vigil! You will never make me kneel!
After reading the Tier One thread, I think it’s safe to say that all servers should be fighting to stay in Tier Two.
Morning all. Got your coffee?
I’m happy with staying in tier 3, winning or not. Its just a shame what Tier 1 has become, as there are some great people on those servers. Ah well.
I don’t like coffee, so I have to deal with my own self waking up the first 2 hours of my shift (I work 7-4). >< I guess I could drink a Mountain Dew (only thing that actually wakes me up slightly), but yeah, not that early.
Just poking in to say I agree with the t1 thread being a bitter cluster-f. Tier 2 thread seems pretty civil & amusing. Then we have the tier 3 thread that’s just really strange with all its talk about worshipping flame rams. I think tier 2 and 3 have the best threads on the forums.
Looks like you’re all having fun! Keep it up Tier 2!
Lots of pictures, but this is my Norn ranger from Wayfarer Foothills on. Cameo appearances of Jora’s descendant and Eir. Final screenshot is what she looks like now with the AC GS and an aureate skin shortbow (the later screenshots with shortbow I believe were godskull skin). The Dreamer legendary is currently a work in progress. I’d like to eventually also get Foefire’s Essence and Jormag’s Breath.
Ehh, if you think Maguuma threads are a mess, check out tier 1 threads. I’m not going to name people, but there’s a crapton of forum warriors in those threads. I miss the non forum warriors from my old server, but not sure if I’d want to go back, especially if the queues are as bad as people say.
Flame rams on a boat. Flame rams in a tree. Flame rams in a Zelda Triforce orientation (that would be amazing – Maguuma, do it). Challenge mode – flame rams in a Metroid screw attack symbol formation (that would be super difficult I bet). I think FAers put a treb on one of the boats at one of the bay keeps once. I saw the screenshot in a old thread.
Yeah, if there’s no Cantha, there’s a high chance I’ll stop playing. The game has already fulfilled my nostalgia of original GW:Prophecies since it takes place in the Tyrian continent. Out of the 2 standalone games that came after, Factions was my favorite. Factions offered some very interesting places, that unlike Elona, wasn’t mostly desert. I didn’t care for Elona all that much. Crystal Dessert from GW:Prophecies was great, but Korna/Desolation were extremely annoying. If we get an Elona but no Cantha, I will be extremely disappointed. I must know what happened to Kaineng and Fort Aspenwood in 250 years. Fort Aspenwood because I have a love/hate relationship with that place since I spent many hours working on Kurzick title there. Both the Jade Sea and Echovald Forest were amazing places, and I hope to see them at some point. I would love to see Jade Sea as water again (huge underwater zone maybe?) and I’d like to see what the Echovald Forest looks like un-petrified. Please do not forego doing Cantha content.
Also, can’t forget the bonus track 4 remix of original Factions theme that was on the Factions OST – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qz5k-y5LXs. This music was also used in one of the Factions trailers – so epic.
Yeah, not sure I’d want to be in a matchup with BG AND Kaineng – that might be rough (hats off to TC for dealing with that). I would be glad to face off against TC again though. They are actually a really interesting bunch.
Anyways, Saturday night was a fun night on EB – Maguuma got me to stay up til 5ish AM, because it eventually became that fun. EB was slow at first that night – kept on going back and forth with rogue’s quarry and then eventually back and forth at Anz (when/after Mag was attacking WC) and that just got boring, but then things started picking up with the SMC treb vs the Overlook treb and small skirmishes in DB’s section. At one point, FA took duritos, which then I believe Mag took, then finally DB took their duritos back – that was interesting. That Rogue’s quarry though is a hotspot for green team. Consistently being flipped. The dredge tunnel helps out a lot in that aspect though, since you can mostly surprise attack RQ due to it. The back and forth with Mag (before FA took overlook) at Pangloss was pretty funny too with I believe [ILL] and some others.
Magummers, another question. I saw flame rams in supply camps that you took yesterday. What’s up with that? Is it something about this whole flame ram god you got going? :P
I’m seeing mag people say two different scenarios here. There’s a group that wants to go down to tier 4 and then there’s a group that is getting annoyed with the 2v1 and wants to actually do decently. So what is it Mag? Do you want to move to tier 4, do you want to do well or is there two grps of people that want different outcomes?
Also, Eva, more score updates please. :o Your score updates the best in this matchup. :P
Is overlook the only keep in EB that you can hit SMC with trebs from or does green and blue keep allow for that too? It seems like only red keep is capable of hitting SMC as it seems the closest distance from red keep wall to SMC outer wall.
If a FA commander could PM me in game sometime, I want to offload siege blueprints to one of you. NOT tonight, I’m busy being a PvE noob and queues make me QQ. Loool. Add me to friends list or something.
Really BG/HB? Just trying to get some map completion done before match resets and you 5v1’ed me. Sigh. Why was that necessary? >< I was the necro you just ganked btw. Ahh well. Hope you got good loot out of my bag
We would gank BG players going for map completion if we could. Kitten pve´ers takes up spots in the zones.
So I can’t map complete at the end of a match even though I contribute during the week without being called a crappy pve’er? Good to know. I’m not mad, just curious. :P
I guess the people that do the JPs at the end of a match for siege prints for the next round are also “crappy PvE’ers”. ;P
We also didn’t have a queue on EB on FA, so I really don’t see the harm. I wouldn’t do map completion if there were queues. I’m not that stupid. Also, and yeah, I’m gonna get “don’t throw in the towel dude” but FA is 20k pts behind TC and the matchup restarts nowish? Yeah, I don’t think we would of made that 20k points.
Really BG/HB? Just trying to get some map completion done before match resets and you 5v1’ed me. Sigh. Why was that necessary? >< I was the necro you just ganked btw. Ahh well. Hope you got good loot out of my bag.
I didn’t mean the video to be a reference to server’s playstyle or any server’s behavior at all. It just cracks me up and I think about that video quite often when scanning random forum threads because it seems like half of the posts make no sense and have no context.
Oh lol. I was actually referencing Jade Quarry pvp map from GW1, since it belonged to a group of NPCs that used turtles as pack mules and siege weapons.
that map was fun Lux FTW
I did like it a little better than FA because it seemed to go faster, but overall, I found FA more entertaining because there was more to do than to capture jade mines and wait for carriers to do their thing.
Sigh. Why was that necessary? >< I was the necro you just ganked btw. Ahh well. Hope you got good loot out of my bag