Before I express my concerns with this, I’d appreciate it if you guys don’t go all doomsayer and say that they will never revert this back.
Looking back at the changes in Personal Story, I thought the pacing was just fine as it was when compared to the changes made here. With the story chapters switched with what is now the focus of Trahearne’s cleansing of Orr for Chapter 7 and Chapter 8 focusing on the elimination of Zhaitan’s ilk and eventually him. One could argue that Trahearne and a select few of his troops are going ahead towards Orr to perform the cleansing rituals first before establishing Pact bases there. But in all honesty, I thought the original pacing was fine the way it was because of the exploration my character has to go through in order to reach the Cursed Shores.
As someone who was attracted to Guild Wars 2 because of the Personal Story feature it offered, I’d really appreciate it if you guys revert the quests back to their original order have Chapter 7 be about the Invasion of Orr and Chapter 8 be Orr’s Cleansing because the original story, despite it’s flaws, had less plotholes to deal with than how it’s currently presented here.
Okay, looking back at what I posted, I can conclude myself that the Personal Story alterations are seriously screwy as I ended up with this:
My alt was currently playing Romke’s Final Voyage, a quest I did not do on my first playthrough and I noticed that the characters present in the cinematic are not speaking, nor even moving their mouths.
Hi Chris, I was fortunate enough to check the instance in question that I mentioned to you about and it seems that the Greatest Fear portion of the story A Light in the Darkness is kept intact. No removals, no nothing. It was only modified on the Story Journal itself, which I still think sucks but nonetheless, I can confirm that the PS was not cut in anyway, shape or form.
Awesome Malkavian I really appreciate the info. Leah is looking into it and we will update when we have more info.
chris
Alright, I think I may have jumped the gun with what I said earlier. It seems that the issue lies in Chapter 7. Those who are in the middle of the quests related to their greatest fears in this case, Tonn and Apatia’s and your other quest were apparently skipped as a side effect of the consolidation of quests into chapters. Either way, please keep us posted.
Will do.
Probably an update Monday if you don’t mind. Super busy today.
chris
Sounds fair.
Dry Top had the least number of waypoints to my knowledge. But then again, that place is not that big when compared to the other locations.
With regards to better rewards, I do agree that better titles and such would be nice though if the reward involves something as generous as gold or gems, then the feats have to be really difficult to achieve.
Let that be another lesson. To be fair, with every change comes different errors.
Well the idea is that there will always be imperfections and flaws with each release. QA can only minimize the problem, but rarely clear them out completely. In this case, I noticed a gaping flaw in relation to the Personal Story
Not quite yet, Filaha. But I just might do that real soon.
I doubt this removal of certain quests was intentional. If it were, wouldn’t the official wiki update this accordingly? It’s been a couple of days since the update came out, and all. Chris did say he would get back to us real soon on this matter, so at the very least they are getting to the bottom of this.
Oh and just to let you know, Chris of Anet is looking into this concern with Leah as indicated on this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Communicating-with-you/page/29#post4404335
Chances are this should be remedied once Anet looks into this matter.
Hi Chris, I was fortunate enough to check the instance in question that I mentioned to you about and it seems that the Greatest Fear portion of the story A Light in the Darkness is kept intact. No removals, no nothing. It was only modified on the Story Journal itself, which I still think sucks but nonetheless, I can confirm that the PS was not cut in anyway, shape or form.
Awesome Malkavian I really appreciate the info. Leah is looking into it and we will update when we have more info.
chris
Alright, I think I may have jumped the gun with what I said earlier. It seems that the issue lies in Chapter 7. Those who are in the middle of the quests related to their greatest fears in this case, Tonn and Apatia’s and your other quest were apparently skipped as a side effect of the consolidation of quests into chapters. Either way, please keep us posted.
I am not sure if this will help out much, but I joined in a friend’s story instance recently and I at least managed to get the screenshot of the choices you would make for your Greatest Fear. I may have to get in touch with him soon so that way I can see if Apatia’s quest was removed completely from the game, though I did managed to play the final part of Apatia’s quest after the patch came out.
Hmmm…. really? That’s a different animal to me, Vyetta. I’ll try to get in touch with a friend of mine after I get some sleep to see if I encounter this problem with Apatia once again. This could take a while considering the choices you made should be made present in Chapter 7.
Animal? Honestly if you’re still thinking I’m a troll I’m done here, I’m honestly trying to get help so I can continue to play
I hope you have better luck than I did. Have fun
No that’s not what I mean. By a whole new animal, I mean it’s different issue to me. No offense, man. And I am legitimately helping you out here and at the same time, confirming what I fear about the changes made.
It’s been a frustrating series of events both on tumblr and on the forums trying to get answers and having people think I’m a troll or someone trying to stirr up trouble.
I should have been more clear, I suppose. I’d only heard from others (the links you posted to the “fear arch missing” thread as well) that it was completely gone. I finished chapter 6 already before starting 7 after the patch. The tonn event is not there… I did this event on my other 80 before patch, which is the only reason I’m not crying out “Who the heck is tonn and when did he die!?”
I don’t know if I can replicate the same experiences you had to see the issues myself. But I could, with some luck and time on my side try to join in my friend’s story instances again to see if I can come up with the similar issue as he chose the agony choice. Either result, I’d like to assume what you experienced was a major bug as a result of the rearranging of story quests to chapters.
Hmmm…. really? That’s a different animal to me, Vyetta. I’ll try to get in touch with a friend of mine after I get some sleep to see if I encounter this problem with Apatia once again. This could take a while considering the choices you made should be made present in Chapter 7.
Animal? Honestly if you’re still thinking I’m a troll I’m done here, I’m honestly trying to get help so I can continue to play
I hope you have better luck than I did. Have fun
No that’s not what I mean. By a whole new animal, I mean it’s different issue to me. No offense, man. And I am legitimately helping you out here and at the same time, confirming what I fear about the changes made.
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I’d like to see if new characters/players can get that dialogue.
Who volunteers to powerlevel a char up to that point and tell us tomorrow morning? That person would get a +1 from me.
That would take days for me to reach level 60 with all the other stuff I’ve been doing. Though I do have a brand new Charr I’ve been wanting to play around with so I could take you up on that challenge, but no promises.
Actually looking back at them, it seems that despite the presence of these choices the quests are not present at all. I will have to double check that myself.
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Hmmm…. really? That’s a different animal to me, Vyetta. I’ll try to get in touch with a friend of mine after I get some sleep to see if I encounter this problem with Apatia once again. This could take a while considering the choices you made should be made present in Chapter 7.
I thought you guys might want to take a look at the screenshot I posted here. In case it doesn’t work. Check my recent post on http://malkavianrpg.tumblr.com/ as I uploaded the screenshot (because it seems this site is having trouble uploading images today) indicating that you still have that choice between your greatest fears.
If that is true and not some excellently done photoshop then my faith in arenanet is partially restored.
Parts 7 & 8 of the personal story still a mess though.
Haha, I am dreadful with photoshop, dude. I hope I cleared this up once and for all that the Greatest Fear plotline was never removed to begin with.
Okay guys, I managed to jump into the instance in question and this is what I see. Therefore, the Greatest Fear is intact.
I cant see attachment. Was it in Chapter 7 or 8? I can’t account for anything before that but I can only say when I entered chapter 7 I found everything scrambled and out of order. When I started chapter 8 is when I got Trahearne’s speech about Tonn… but I was not able to do Tonn’s event.
Actually, A Light in the Darkness is in Chapter 6.
I was still not able to do the event at all, it was moved to chapter 6? I don’t understand
Btw, if you are having trouble seeing the screenshot, can you see it from my tumblr page? http://malkavianrpg.tumblr.com/
And for the record, I haven’t been able to play the rest of the quests again to be sure as the player I joined in with had to do some stuff. But if I get in touch with him and did those quests again, I’ll provide more updates to support or probably counter my claim.
If this is an issue for only some people I’d like to give as much information as possible, I suppose
I play a Sylvari ranger and before the patch I had finished chapter 6. I was somewhere betweem 62-68 at the time of the patch. I picked as a fear “being the cause of someone’s suffering” or something to that effect, but didn’t get an event that went along with it. But I was still graced with Trahearne’s speech on Tonn’s death
Besides the greatest fear taken out I’d still like an explination on the scrambled chapters that make absolutely no sense. It skipped over so much and jumped around right to the cleansing after I took fort trinity. I saw Sayeh (or whatever her name is, water babe) before being introduced to her, but still my character acted as if they’d met before
Oh, the largos chick? Funny you should say that. Because I was confused at first about that the first time I played this game. Despite Trahearne introducing her to me, my character assumed that she and her have met before despite not being the case when I played Tonn’s storyline. If you played Apatia’s storyline, specifically the quest Wet Work, that is her formal introduction to your character prior to the cleansing of Orr.
As for the jumbled stories in the final chapter, I have yet to do those missions yet on my Ele so I can’t say much about it.
Okay guys, I managed to jump into the instance in question and this is what I see. Therefore, the Greatest Fear is intact.
I cant see attachment. Was it in Chapter 7 or 8? I can’t account for anything before that but I can only say when I entered chapter 7 I found everything scrambled and out of order. When I started chapter 8 is when I got Trahearne’s speech about Tonn… but I was not able to do Tonn’s event.
Actually, A Light in the Darkness is in Chapter 6.
Hi Chris, I was fortunate enough to check the instance in question that I mentioned to you about and it seems that the Greatest Fear portion of the story A Light in the Darkness is kept intact. No removals, no nothing. It was only modified on the Story Journal itself, which I still think sucks but nonetheless, I can confirm that the PS was not cut in anyway, shape or form.
I thought you guys might want to take a look at the screenshot I posted here. In case it doesn’t work. Check my recent post on http://malkavianrpg.tumblr.com/ as I uploaded the screenshot (because it seems this site is having trouble uploading images today) indicating that you still have that choice between your greatest fears.
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Okay guys, I managed to jump into the instance in question and this is what I see. Therefore, the Greatest Fear is intact.
How hard is it for someone at ArenaNet to just explain these changes? And how they effect existing characters?
Most of 60+ characters seem to be somewhere in chapter 7. Do these all play out the old order?
The one done with Cleansing but not yet through the dungeon bit (ick!) is at the final step of chapter 8.
If you’re going to make significant changes to existing characters — common curtesy says you explain said changes to said players…
Regarding that, I asked Chris regarding that question and he says that he’ll look into it for more information, at least in relation to the missing quests.
Simple, they just don’t feel it’s the right time to do it yet. They will bring it back at some point, just be patient about it, alright? :/
Currently the CDI is for Guild logistics and improved quality of life. So it’s more on the improving the social aspect of the game this time. The NPE discussion is basically what we are talking about on the general forums, I would say as there is plenty of feedback to be had, good and bad.
Doesn’t cut the Fear plotline, also cuts the Apatia story which showed us the VERY big plot point about the krait orb that protects Fort Trinity from the Risen?
Well, so much for that lore!
Actually, if you pick a different Fear story than Apatia’s, the Krait Orb still shows up at Fort Trinity, with some unnamed Pact members talking about it.
I think the issue is how did the Krait Orb get there. With the approach the patch took, it just makes it seem like the Pact just pulled a deus ex machina right out of their kitten .
Look, Super Adventure Box is a very popular game mode in GW2. It won’t be gone forever. They’ll bring it back eventually.
I thought I may post my updated thoughts on this here regarding this: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Regarding-the-Greatest-Fear/first#post4402451
It’s fine and I am glad you don’t take offense to what I said. I am just looking at it as I see it. But if it wasn’t available, then it could just be a major bug that is hard to access. I’d probably will try it out for myself but it would take me days.
Oh, and I’ll look forward to that video if you ever get the chance to do so.
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I have checked these out myself, StarDroid. And from the looks of it, it can still be played. But the details of that quest would be less elaborate than the previous patch’s Journal. As far as evidence is concerned, all I see is the word of other people, which doesn’t convince me of this issue.
Jeffrey mentioned this:
If you were on the storyline pre-patch, you’ll still be on it post-patch. (Thought it might not be visible until you reach L70, since it’s in Chapter 7.)
By that, it would imply that the whole story with your greatest fear is a part of Chapter 7 because the patch is supposed to reorganize the individual Personal Story quests into bigger story chapters.
If you want damage, then Elementalist is a good start, though I hope you are good at timings as that profession doesn’t take punishment as well as other classes.
Disclaimer: I started A Light in the Darkness pre-patch and I finished it up post-patch. I have yet to play a brand new character for me to go through that quest again to confirm whether or not my own greatest fears (cwutididthar) have been realized. And I also mentioned this on the bug report thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Personal-Story-parts-missing/first#post4402381
You are free to take what I have to say with a grain of salt if you will as I could be wrong.
Okay, I noticed that there has been people expressing their complaints in these forums and on reddit regarding The Greatest Fear, a part of the Personal Story quest, A Light in the Darkness about removing the quests related to what you selected as the thing you fear the most, be it seeing your comrades suffer, die or letting them down. Now what grabbed me the wrong way is that there is very little conclusive evidence indicating that those quests were removed from the game completely other than screenshots from players showing their Story Journal. Upon reading the article Anet posted regarding a Fresh Start, the patch was supposed to combine quests into larger chapters, hence we wouldn’t be able to access them until we reach a particular level.
By that logic, that would mean that those quests were not removed from the game at all but rather merged with other story quests as part of the large chapters. My basis for this is indicated in EXHIBIT A: The summary of the Forging a Pact where it indicates and I quote:
“….asked me to make sure a key element of that campaign is ready for the rigors of war.”
By this “key element”, from my personal playthrough of the game, this is the Krait Orb I was supposed to get while working with Apatia.
EXHIBIT B: The summary of Battle of Fort Trinity mentions, and I also quote: “I have to finish the mission I started at Trahearne’s request”.
This includes the quest where I have to find Apatia, and end her misery and end it by mentioning her deeds to the other Norn at Hoelbrak.
If we are going to go with the information here, I can safely say that these quests were not removed from the game at all, but rather the details of those plot points were reduced in favor of providing a condensed story. If I am right, then I would say that this change still isn’t very favorable, but it is something I will be able to deal with very easily as I really like seeing those details elaborated further rather than have them reduced to single sentences.
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If I recall, the goal of the NPE involves condensing story bits making them part of a larger chapter. As indicated on the screenshots I got here, it mentions that I have to get a “key element” which from my playthrough with my Elementalist, refers to the Krait Orb I would get with Apatia.
On the second part, it also mentions that I have to “finish the mission I started at Trahearne’s request” before I take part in the offensive on Orr, in this case, the rescuing of Apatia. I played this quest post-patch but I started A Light in the Darkness pre-patch. If this is the case, then it would be safe to assume that these quests were not removed from the game, it just wasn’t referred in detail on the Story Journal as before in favor of, like I said on the last post, a summary of what happened.
Wait wait wait…
I had 2 left. 2 to finish my PS.
I’m now in Chpt 7?
And it’s lovely that the Wiki has been altered, and that any trace of the original PS arc has been obliterated. I appreciate that. Really. You can throw any amount of sarcasm you like into that statement. It won’t hold a candle to the amount of true disappointment and honest hostility I’m feeling right now.
Completing my PS has been put on hold due to real life. My best friend has received his Master’s degree and is finally settled in his new job. We have been awaiting the time to finally finish the PS arc we started over a year ago.
And now this. This “re-work” of the PS system that wasn’t broken to begin with, that in all of the time I’ve spent on the forums I’ve never seen any complaints about (at least about continuity).
My character’s life has been re-written, and now placed “back in time” so far it will take us a month (or more) to dig our way back to the place we were when he started school last year.
2 quests away, and now this.
I am so angry I’m not sure I will play a PS on any character I have ever again.
You can reprimand me, delete my post, I really don’t care. You need to know how upset this makes me, as a member of your player base, to cut and paste and jigsaw the game back and forth with zero warning, zero reasoning.
I spend time and money personally to facilitate your game, have brought in 7 additional game accounts by word of mouth, and I feel like I’ve been betrayed with your new game design.
(Checks official wiki)
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Personal_story
I have taken a look at this and it looks like the details remained intact related to the Greatest Fear part of the storyline. Unless the wiki article writers of this forgot to mention these, it looks like these events can still be played in-game but would not be mentioned in the story journal in favor of a summarized version of what has transpired in these chapters.
Speaking of which, I have noticed these screenshots showing off the Journal itself,. I ask this: how many of the players who reported this problem actually started A Light in the Darkness after the patch was released? If so, were you still able to make those choices in Greatest Fear in the game?
@Vyetta, I know you mentioned your experience on this thread but forgive me for taking your claim with a grain of salt unless I see some substantial evidence confirming this.
Bottom line, if the problem lies with erasing those details from the Story Journal itself, then I can live with that. I won’t be happy about it, but I’d at least be relieved. But if the actual quests were removed from the game itself, then we got a big problem.
Oh and Chris, in relation to what my concern earlier, I took notice of this link:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Personal-Story-parts-missing/first#post4400908
I know on the patch notes it indicates that it focuses on helping Trahearne cleanse Orr and defeating Zhaitan. However, it doesn’t really specify in detail what does he mean by that. I think even the content designer Jeffrey Vaughn may not be on the same page as those who are expressing their complaints with the Personal Story. There also seems to be some mixed comments saying that they have confirmed that the “Greatest Fear” portion of the storyline was indeed removed and there are those that say that this is a bug which needs to be remedied ASAP.
The NPE is fine and all, but I think that if it means removing bits of the story that have been present in the game for 2 years, that’s just something I do not tolerate in the slightest. I would understand though that if it was not mentioned on the Story Journal so long as that event was played out in the game itself.
I look forward to you helping me, and the other members of the community who care about the story into giving us more insight regarding this and if possible get this fixed.
From the update notes:
Chapter 7 is now focused on helping Trahearne cleanse Orr.
Chapter 8 is now focused on defeating Zhaitan.
Um, I mean no offense but this doesn’t say much. Does it imply that on the quest “A Light in the Darkness”, you can no longer do that part where you speak to the Pale Tree and answer her questions related to your greatest fears? If you guys did remove it, I implore you to bring it back.
Right good night peeps. Thanks for the chat. Hopefully i will have some time to join in again tomorrow.
Chris
I surely hope you do.
Hello Chris. I am not sure if you are the right person I could ask for this job as the customer service thread doesn’t seem to tell me much, but this has something to do with the Personal Story.
First off, here’s the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2g02mx/the_personal_story_doesnt_make_sense_since_the/
Now I can understand rearranging certain chapters. I think I can live with it given time. But what caught my attention however is related to the quest A Light in the Darkness where you disabled the Your Greatest Fear portion of the quest, which in turn would disable the other quests related to that part (for example, the removal of Tonn and Apatia’s quests). I don’t know if this is really the case or not as I have finished Apatia’s quest after this patch was downloaded. I want to know if this is really true or not. And if so, I’d appreciate your insight as to why this happened.
Hey Malkavian,
Mind if i get back to you on this?
Chris
If this is true it is likely a bug. I have heard of a player playing this instance after patch so it is still in the game files.
Thank you Anzenketh. Finally a response. Well, an acknowledgement of the issue at least, but it is enough to already make me 50% less kittened about this whole business, proof that the devs at least know the PS has gone crazy.
Well, someone’s got to mention it. I felt disturbed by this because on the one hand I still managed to play Apatia’s story just fine after the patch came out and all of a sudden, this issue popped out of Reddit to which I could not confirm without having to level for hours. The Patch notes never mentioned anything about removing pieces of the living story, but rather making some rearrangements.
I’ve been thinking of making some Let’s Plays as a hobby of mine, starting with Guild Wars 2, and eventually others games. I’m not quite sure if this is the right place to ask but what are your recommended specs for a PC that is capable of Let’s Plays.
To give you an idea, here’s my current build
Intel Core i5-3570 CPU @3.40 GhZ
8 Gigabytes of RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GT 630
I’d also appreciate cost estimates too.
I don’t really find it that obnoxious. If anything it’s just redundant.
I appreciate this very much. You got no idea how troubled I feel with this being present. I could check it out myself, but considering what else I do around here, it would take me at least to week to confirm it.
Hello Chris. I am not sure if you are the right person I could ask for this job as the customer service thread doesn’t seem to tell me much, but this has something to do with the Personal Story.
First off, here’s the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2g02mx/the_personal_story_doesnt_make_sense_since_the/
Now I can understand rearranging certain chapters. I think I can live with it given time. But what caught my attention however is related to the quest A Light in the Darkness where you disabled the Your Greatest Fear portion of the quest, which in turn would disable the other quests related to that part (for example, the removal of Tonn and Apatia’s quests). I don’t know if this is really the case or not as I have finished Apatia’s quest after this patch was downloaded. I want to know if this is really true or not. And if so, I’d appreciate your insight as to why this happened.
Looking back at this, how many players have actually experienced this issue with Fears. I have yet to see substantial evidence, be it a screenshot pic or a video on Youtube supporting this claim. All I could ever get for is the word of a Reddit user, I could try it out for myself but godkitten I hate having to do several levels just to get to that part of the game.
In this second feature patch, ArenaNet has done nothing but listen to the community….
Wait, wut?
Yes they do. The changes do not necessarily reflect what everyone wants.
Just because you and the people you know or see play video games doesn’t mean that everyone else can play em intuitively. Not everyone learns as fast as others. Looking back at it, I don’t think the level gating is that big of an issue. Granted it makes facing the first boss more tedious than necessary, but it’s not really that big of a deal from a veteran player looking back at it. If I can’t use my other skills that early, I make the most of what I got.
On a different note, imagine yourself in the shoes of someone who buys this as their very first video game and did not do any prior research on their purchase. Chances are they wouldn’t know what to do either. Something like that caters to that portion of the playerbase.
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According to the Patch Notes:
Personal story steps have been more clearly broken up into chapters that unlock every 10 levels so that each chapter can be played through immediately once it’s unlocked. Players that were already partway through a chapter may find themselves underleveled for any of the story chapters or overleveled for some of the chapter 7 and 8 steps that have moved.
By this logic, the PS should have been kept intact save for a couple of rearrangements here and there , in other words, every chapter available SHOULD be there. I’d like to say that this is something Arenanet may need to fix or if they intend to keep it this way, an explanation from their own words rather than conjecture from doomsayers would be welcome.
EDIT: I also checked the Chapter Focus, and yet it never mentions any specific deletions, cementing my idea that if it was deleting then it wasn’t on purpose (I’d like to think so)
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Hmmm… what I don’t get is how come this wasn’t specified on the patch notes nor it’s preview. I understand there would be rearrangements and all that and I’d be okay with it. But removing pieces of content? I don’t know.
Bumping this to help me in confirming this.
I will say this much about it though, I’d rather play my story missions in huge chunks rather than finish one chapter, level up and then play the next chapter. I’d say that’s good for something (personal opinion). What I am not a fan of (though this is just speculation) is the removal of certain story quests as part of the reorganization of the storyline, bringing in more plot holes than necessary. All I got showing for it though is a post on reddit that I saw along with another forum post, so I can’t totally confirm if this is really the case.