Guild Wars 2

AlBundy.7851:

I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying.

If you’re running with a guardian heavy zerg or not there is still absolutely no point for you to be in a shout build at all. Also you have it backwards the way guardians work compared to warriors, guardians have 5 times the health pool warriors have at least.

I don’t think you’re understanding me with the clerics gear statement either. I’m not telling you to switch your PVT gear with Clerics in the terrible shout build you run I don’t care what you run. You do terrible damage in your PVT gear anyways. I’ll repost it for you “Clerics is a much better choice to supplement going deep into tactics and defense.”

Shout healing is garbage with any gear you run. You seem to understand that so you can drop 10 points from tactics now that we came to that understanding.

You list all your condition cleanses and then mention overkill couldn’t of said it better myself. It’s been almost 5 months since WvW warriors have invested that heavily in condition cleanses. Melandru Runes, Lemongrass Poultry and now Dogged March have sent Soldier Runes into obscurity and before that the Guardian class as a whole is what put Shout builds 6 feet under 9 months ago.

You might get those damage numbers against up leveled glass cannon characters but against a decent lvl 80 in blues you would be lucky to break 1500 damage let alone actually connect cause the hammer is so slow. Even in solo fights against what you usually see roaming in small groups or solo in WvW you would stand no chance against a bunker ele, phantasm mesmer let alone a semi aggressive sword thief in WvW. You would never be able to walk away with just Savage Leap and Swiftness either lol.

Fury in your build has no significance hell your not even at 50% crit rate it’s a wasted stat the way you have your warrior setup.

No one in T1 EU or T5-T6 runs shout warriors and if they do they have no real understanding of the non existent benefit they provide. I get it you think that your setup works but in reality anything works when you zerg with 2 groups of guardians running around in circles spamming staff 1.

I understand I will never convince a person like you and I do not care to. I’m still waiting for you to post those few viable builds for the OP though.

You haven’t read or understood everything I said either. There are no dedicated healers in this game. Many heals come from regen and empower. Regen does not stack intensity. So there is a cap to how much you can get from these ‘conventional methods’. If you add some warriors in there, their heals do stack ontop all the previous healing. Every healing source is welcome. It is only 4.5k/cycle/person, but still it gives your group that extra that will make you outlast your opponent. Have you ever done a group vs group? I suspect not. But those guilds run shout/heal warriors, because even if you survive with 1k health, you win.

My guild runs them and we have a lot of succes in WvW and GvG. And no, clerics on a warrior are 100% waste. That is one of the only armor sets I don’t have.

Melandru and lemongrass is nice yea, but does it benefit your group at all? No, that is solo build food. I said this was a group build for WvW. As the OP asked for.

I can get away from any player in a solo situation. With almost perma vigor, perma movement speed and this much condition cleanse, there is no way you can pin me down.

And, don’t think I have ever hit under the 1.2k. There are a lot of upscaled in WvW, but even in GroupvsGroups I often go over 3k up to 4k hammerstuns. This is enough damage for me.

And the OP is always free to PM me for tips and questions to why I would build this way or chose certain traits.

Warriors do not bunker it’s just wrong to say that because warriors have very bad access to protection you mention they have pretty good access to protection but that’s not true. Warriors need to run a master trait in the Tactic’s line that converts a random condition to a boon and that condition needs to be vulnerability. The warhorn also has a 20 second cooldown 16 when traited. It’s counter intuitive to wait for a specific condition and then hope that rng converts vulnerability into protection.

PVT gear also puts you on the low end of the damage spectrum a place where warriors cannot afford to be. Clerics is a much better choice to supplement going deep into tactics and defense. Running the PvE shouts even in WvW is a very bad idea and severly gimping yourself and the people around you. The healing from the Grandmaster Tactic Vigorous Shouts is too small even in clerics gear which it seems you don’t even run.

With PVT gear who cares that you have 100% fury uptime you do such pitiful damage the Fury boon has no significance in the build.

I don’t think you’ve tried many builds if you still tout a shout build for wvw 10 months after release of this game.

Finally you did what you promised. Now we can start a decent discussion.

I said you had to know your skills really well and time them to get the max out of them. I often find myself with protection and regen, definitely in solo fights. You can’t really time in zergs or groupvsgroup, but guardians give protection there anyway. So the guardian gives you the same advantage he has, only your health pool is almost double his.

Now people have asked me, how do you heal it all back up. As healing surge does +-9k heal which is less than 1/3th of my health. Again this is a zerg build, everytime we regroup with waterfield you heal back to full. Meaning these extra health really helps towards your survivability.

If I would run full clerics as you suggested, my damage would be kitten yes. Almost no crit chance, no crit damage and low power. Clerics gives only a small insignificant boost to your heals. That does not justify the lose of damage and defense. The main power of the build ain’t the shouts that heal, they are a nice extra, because they stack with all the other healing you get. But it is the condition cleaning.

warhorn 4: chill/cripple/immobilize + 1 extra condition
warhorn 5: 1 condition
shake it off: 2 conditions
fear me: 1 condition
for great justice: 1 condition
—> that are 9 conditions cleaned off and 2 boons added + might/fury/movement speed and a debuff and disruption for the enemies.

There is something called overkill in this game. My build hammerstuns for 4k and the auto attack chain goes between 1.2-2.2k damage depending on your oponents armor. The skills deal up to 3k damage. You’ll still hit hard, especially against those squishys with no armor. So if you run in a zerg/organised group, you don’t need more damage than this. Even is solo fights this is often enough to kill your opponent and if you don’t, you just walk away.

Saying fury has no significance is wrong, 20% crit chance is huge and always will be no matter what. It will boost you from around 20% crit chance to 40%. Which I consider as enough.

I played a long time in T1 EU, most of the warriors there are bunkers and shout/heal. I moved down to T5-6 because of the skill lag and got to say that bunkers aren’t that comen here. Most are greatsword warriors missing their combos and just wiping their sword in the air, dealing practicly no damage. It gets even more sad when they don’t have a source of stability. But those things aside, I don’t think there is a decent guild that runs without shout/heal warriors in GroupvsGroups.

AlBundy.7851:

I only see that funky pvt gear shout build you posted.

yea, you can variate that build. Because it is the only viable one in GvG or ZvZ. Condition build is nice at defending, but never liked the bow, so didn’t test that one enough to test it’s viability. Still got all the armor and trinkets for it, so mught pick it up again and polish it. But it also is a shout/heal build, just specced for conditions, so have to dissapoint you there.

Now dissect, you had time enough now to come up with things. Or are you ging to dissapear just like that other guy, wihtout replying ever again….

AlBundy.7851:

MiLkZz.4789:

AlBundy.7851:

I just want to see the viable builds you mentioned in the first paragraph of your 1st post since you didn’t post them there.

Still waiting for those builds.

I gave you those builds, if you don’t dissect my post, I am going to assume you got nothing on me. Which I already did actually. But as I said before, to another one that didn’t want to point me at my wrongs, enjoy dieing <3.

But you only posted one build? AmI missing something? I’ll go back and reread everything just to be sure.

You do that, I used words to explain the others. Buildsites ain’t everything.

AlBundy.7851:

I just want to see the viable builds you mentioned in the first paragraph of your 1st post since you didn’t post them there.

Still waiting for those builds.

I gave you those builds, if you don’t dissect my post, I am going to assume you got nothing on me. Which I already did actually. But as I said before, to another one that didn’t want to point me at my wrongs, enjoy dieing <3.

Player Character.9467:

Mega Myth.5307:

WvW players tend to lose money or stay even (aka 1.5g to build fortified walls on a keep or 1g for a golem)

You still buy siege? You must not WvW much cuz you don’t have badges…

Money gain in the raid tonight in my guild, all cost already substracted.

1st place: 32g
2nd: 27g
3rd: 22g
4th: 20g

I was late to the party, so I clocked only 10.5g. But yea, you DO earn money in WvW.

AlBundy.7851:

Just one shout build? You said there were a few viable builds in your first post does few mean only one?

I don’t know about other people but I would appreciate it if you used a decent build site like http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/ if you don’t mind.

What is wrong with this one? You have problems with coping with change? I like that site, I needs an update tho. But it is accurate, clean and not heavy to load.

As you can see I left some things out. Those can be variated. I never said the variations where very big. I know some good warriors going 0-0-20-30-20 aswel. For the faster weapon swap and root break. But don’t really see the need for it if you don’t run greatsword. I just gave you the build I like the most. Some people like to set up their traits a bit different aswel. Like 20% shout cd reduction which is significant for the ‘fear’. But you lose a lot of condition removal with it. So I don’t like that trait so much. But again, everyone his own choice.

Still waiting for your dissection tho.

ps.: yea I know, if there is another significant balance change and the site ain’t getting update. It wont be accurate anymore and I will stop using it. But I still prefer it over the rest.

AlBundy.7851:

Post the viable builds you mention in your first paragraph please. After that I will dissect your post.

Ok, I’ll give you a standard impression of something you already know, but refuse to accept. Note: I kept it very basic.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8.0|2.1c.0|c.1c.0.g.1c.0|1c.7x.1c.7x.1c.7x.1c.7x.1c.7x.1c.7x|1c.61.1c.61.1c.61.1n.61.1n.61.1c.61|a5.0.u18c.u19c.0|0.0|5y.69.6b.68.0|e

Now dissect my post, and please don’t talk about sPvP. I have nothing ot do with sPvP or tPvP.

ps.: my build is a variation on this, with ascended trinkets. I kept some things out, because everything needs a personal touch ^^.

LetoII.3782:

Six pages because a glass ranger wants to stand a mile away from the fight spamming damage and resents having to stop for a moment to cast water field under it’s own feet?

This. Retal is fine.

AlBundy.7851:

MiLkZz.4789:

Warrior can bunker really well. So good even that you can completely ignore 2 thiefs attacking you. They can clean of tons of conditions and heal their team for a decent amount. Only problem is, there are only a few builds vailable to do this. And you got to be a good player. Timing your shouts and warhorn skills really well to get the best benefit out of it. You can have a pretty good protection and regen uptime with if it if you do it well.

And your damage will still be high enough to not be ignored. Full PVT still gives a lot of power and you got 100% fury uptime. Combine it with the right food and you still be able to dish out enough damage to kill your enemies. So yea, because warrior hits like a truck, you can go full defensive.

Never ever go full zerker in WvW, those are laughable warriors. People see them as walking loot bags. Bunker is the way. And believe me, I tried all build. I have full exotic armor sets on my warrior, all weapons in many different stats and a great deal of exotic and ascended jewelery. I am nearing the 100 exotics mark now ^^.

Even though everything you said is wrong, would you please post the few viable builds you mention in your first paragraph.

Could you point me the things that are wrong? So I can explain why I believe they are right?

Know 3 people who got ascended and atleast 10 who got exotics out of them.
Rares seem to be fairly commen. I am happy.

killahmayne.9518:

Bunker is mostly a term that is used for sPvP in terms of their ability to hold capture points very well through a combination of boon generation, condition removal, tankiness, sustainability, CC as well as damage that will eventually cause the opponent to die if they try to engage the bunker for too long.

Can warriors I guess “bunker” in WvW? The answer would be for the most part yes because they can achieve very high HP and toughness, hammer is probably the best CC wep in the game on the warrior, you can stack condition reduction very well, use shout heals if you want, etc.

Can they bunker in sPvP? The answer is absolutely not. At least 4 other classes I can name can bunker in sPvP better than a warrior. They just don’t have the boon generation, sustainability and reliable damage output to do it if you go that build.

To me though Guardians do it much better. They have a lot of boon generation, heals, retaliation and burns for some great damage, CC, lots of blocks, etc.

A bunker guardian also outdamages a bunker warrior by far due to the combination of their symbols, retaliation and burns. At least when sPvP is concerned.

Agree with this, warrior is in a terrible position in sPvP. But it is hard to balance them in sPvP without making them plain OP in WvW.

Good day to everyone,

I am Sir Cuddles The Fluffy, head of the cuddling departement and everything that is soft and fluffy in VcY. I have to announce that we have dropped all our other activities besides WvW. So we wont be writing poems or making photoshop art this week.

I have shut my department down and restructured and educated the people working for me into plain killing machines. My department shall now be known as the Raging Fluffy Bunny. In other words, WE ARE BACK. We are done slacking and we heard somewhere on these forums that the ACs got a nerf. This was our que to get back in action.

We are well rested, well educated, cultural formed and pure killing machines in thirst of blood. We can’t be stopped by reason, only by weapons. Kill us before we kill you, because we wont show mercy.

So be warned, VcY IS BACK!

Have a pleasant night, Sir Cuddles The Fluffy, formerly known as MiLkZz.

Head of the Raging Fluffy Bunny department in VcY.

-last longer: 30s
-stability: 30s too (refreshed 3 times with duration of 10s)
-immune to blinds
-able to use utilities
-10% damage increase
-cd reduction

If they change these, it is actually pretty viable, it is massively disruptive. I don’t even really need the damage increase. If your enemies stability gets stripped, they are kittened.

Warrior can bunker really well. So good even that you can completely ignore 2 thiefs attacking you. They can clean of tons of conditions and heal their team for a decent amount. Only problem is, there are only a few builds vailable to do this. And you got to be a good player. Timing your shouts and warhorn skills really well to get the best benefit out of it. You can have a pretty good protection and regen uptime with if it if you do it well.

And your damage will still be high enough to not be ignored. Full PVT still gives a lot of power and you got 100% fury uptime. Combine it with the right food and you still be able to dish out enough damage to kill your enemies. So yea, because warrior hits like a truck, you can go full defensive.

Never ever go full zerker in WvW, those are laughable warriors. People see them as walking loot bags. Bunker is the way. And believe me, I tried all build. I have full exotic armor sets on my warrior, all weapons in many different stats and a great deal of exotic and ascended jewelery. I am nearing the 100 exotics mark now ^^.

Lighter.5631:

MiLkZz.4789:

Lighter.5631:

MiLkZz.4789:

Lighter.5631:

MiLkZz.4789:

Since when does warrior have troubles to survive? I missed a ninja nerf?
Been last man standing again today when we got wiped. It’s those people that build squishy warriors that can’t survive. But believe me a full bunker warrior outlasts a guardian in a zerg fight. A warrior is the main condition cleaner in a group.

And yea for people wondering: traited warhorn >>>>>> shield, no doubt here.

i like to read your idiotic comment and your signature.

I like to see how you die in a zerg and come complaining here how squishy you are.

cool story bro, now do you want me to explain how much an idiot you are, or maybe you are smart enough to realize it yourself?

Maybe if you point me to the things you consider idiotic, I might explain myself and show you I am actually right.

I already gave you a hint, too bad i guess you aren’t that bright.

Shame for you aswel, keep on dieing. Because I ain’t.

How long do we have to sit on our knees begging till you answer our prayers.

Lighter.5631:

MiLkZz.4789:

Lighter.5631:

MiLkZz.4789:

Since when does warrior have troubles to survive? I missed a ninja nerf?
Been last man standing again today when we got wiped. It’s those people that build squishy warriors that can’t survive. But believe me a full bunker warrior outlasts a guardian in a zerg fight. A warrior is the main condition cleaner in a group.

And yea for people wondering: traited warhorn >>>>>> shield, no doubt here.

i like to read your idiotic comment and your signature.

I like to see how you die in a zerg and come complaining here how squishy you are.

cool story bro, now do you want me to explain how much an idiot you are, or maybe you are smart enough to realize it yourself?

Maybe if you point me to the things you consider idiotic, I might explain myself and show you I am actually right.

Lighter.5631:

MiLkZz.4789:

Since when does warrior have troubles to survive? I missed a ninja nerf?
Been last man standing again today when we got wiped. It’s those people that build squishy warriors that can’t survive. But believe me a full bunker warrior outlasts a guardian in a zerg fight. A warrior is the main condition cleaner in a group.

And yea for people wondering: traited warhorn >>>>>> shield, no doubt here.

i like to read your idiotic comment and your signature.

I like to see how you die in a zerg and come complaining here how squishy you are.

II doesn’t exist any more, it is now dogged march which I definitely recommand you to take.

I personally love the retal in zerg fights and even in solo fights, they boosted my damage a lot. The retal nerf did hit by build a bit.

I would go warhorn converts condition into boon and shout heals, warhorn is by far my favourite weapon.

skills: I hope you take for great justice as 3th and you can swap signet of rage for warbanner. Is up to you, I swap between those 2.

And now the banner or shout part. It is up to you to be honest, every zerg needs atleast 1 banner warrior. All the other should go shout, because banners don’t stack. So if you see you are lacking a banner one, you can go banner. I find them lacking for solo fights, so if you solo roam you might have to swap them out and retrait. So that might be irritating. But if you don’t roam, yea than you don’t have a problem.

Since when does warrior have troubles to survive? I missed a ninja nerf?
Been last man standing again today when we got wiped. It’s those people that build squishy warriors that can’t survive. But believe me a full bunker warrior outlasts a guardian in a zerg fight. A warrior is the main condition cleaner in a group.

And yea for people wondering: traited warhorn >>>>>> shield, no doubt here.

XII.9401:

MiLkZz.4789:

This is a learn to play issue to me. Never had trouble what so ever with retal.

Um have you ever tried grenading a zerg and got instantly owned by mutlipe unnerfed retaliation power and duration in WvW? Nope..guess some people need to learn about other classes instead of hiding in a zerg in WvW only, not in spvp or pve.

Retaliation should be like spvp. Plain and simple. You are only favoring the baddies relying on Op duration/pwr of the boon.

Learn to strip boons and run a balanced guild group. And you think you could just stand in the back throwing out your stuff without expecting anything back? Keep an eye on your enemies buffs and then strike. I play p/p engi and flamethrower engi in WvW aswel. And didn’t had to much troubles with it. It hurts, but you hurt too.

Got to say bow rangers get utterly destroyed by retal ^^. But most bow rangers are terrible, terrible players. So they kinda deserve it.

What do you think of sword/mace and mace/warhorn build?

With the sword as main weapon you get good mobility and have an easier time sticking to your target. And you can still get around 60%? crit chance while going real tanky with sword. It’s a condition cleans build, hence the warhorn.

The mace will be for single target fights, insta 2s stun and the skill interrupt with daze and the block that hits pretty hard.

Haven’t worked out the traits to optimal something, but wondered if this could work. I am not that experienced in sPvP. But tried it out and seemed to work to some extent.

I love this meta, wait 3seconds and hammerstun all the way baby! ^^

Run some decent guardians with you and you’ll still have stability yourself.

In pvp, we are underpowered

In pve, we are the kings of speed dungeon runs and even in fractals we do great upto the real high levels.

In WvW, we are the main condition cleaners in the zerg. We should be tanky enough to just stand in the middle of the enemy and CC em to death so the main zerg can come through and you also make sure this zerg ain’t stopped by the enemies CC by cleaning it off. In a zerg, nothing is more tanky than a well played and build warrior.

Are we underpowered? No. We just have 1 field were we are underperforming. But other classes have this too. Like condition specs have terrible time in pve and rangers are terrible in WvW.

This is a learn to play issue to me. Never had trouble what so ever with retal.

These days they throw with ranks/w exp/money/badges and siege at your head in WvW.
Getting 5-8 ranks a day and the badges, I am going to delete some stacks at this pace…
And 20g on 1 day only WvW ain’t abnormal anymore either.

So what are you talking about? Increase it more and people hit max rank within months.

Hello to all,

I am a charr bear and need a lot of love and hugs. But this game has not a single interaction emote. I bought the dance book to spread the groove and lure asura in. But I want to share my fuzzy love by hugs. Many have asked me to make this topic, because they wanted to hug me too. So please make a hug emote, so I can hug all my little asura friends =3.

Thank you for your effort, Cuddles the fluffy bear<3

note non of the asura in the picture were lured with free cookies. note

I played WvW non stop from january all the way up to the arrow card change. Up to 36hours+ sessions. Just so we had a good coverage. I had great times in WvW, till Anet started to mess with the game mode and added things they thought ‘fun’. While they haven’t even put CLOSE to as much hours as I did in WvW. Do they listen to their comunity? No, not at all. I completely agree with Troma and I haven’t touched this game for weeks now. I might come back when we see some change, good change which we asked for. Not AC buff (still mad about that one), not stupid traps, not make treb shots unblockable. You made WvW in the most boring game I have ever played. 5 hours to take a defended hills? Ain’t nobody got time for that!

I spent 100 euros on total in your game. I regret the last 25 and I wont spend 1 euro more on this game. I rather donate to another game to keep their servers running.

Mad ex-costumer, MiLkZz

Serval.6458:

On borderlands retaliation still does full damage, in EB it does the reduced damage.

Confirmed, noticed it right after the patch. But shhhhhhh!!!!

Daecollo.9578:

MiLkZz.4789:

Warrior is THE condition remover in raids and group fights. So erase bad condition remover. People are just to damage horny to trait for some removal.

……………………………………………………

Glad you agree, hahaha

ps.: ofcourse I know

Warrior is THE condition remover in raids and group fights. So erase bad condition remover. People are just to damage horny to trait for some removal.

Disagree on everything.

And good luck turteling, love it when they do that. Less chasing around.

Caliban.3176:

Still no fix for Arrowcarts, wtf?

Still no milky either ^^, but I am enjoying those 16 hours of free time I suddenly got during the day now.

True, again 1 target the mace is better. But as soon as you go against 2 or more targets hammer is better.

In WvW hammer is the weapon I use the most in all fights, solo/group/raid/zerg and blob. It is an awesome weapon and yea you can dodge it a few times, but than it starts to hit and you are kittened.

What is wrong with the hammer?

I am a hard man to please, you might get supprised. But I hope to the howly cow that you are right.

You got some making up to do for the AC and traps :<.

XII.9401:

MiLkZz.4789:

XII.9401:

As long as they have the downed system+AOE limit=encourages bad play and results in stale gameplay. That is why you see everyone leaving. You guys are just behind on the times.

The big WvW guilds quit a few months back because they came to realize how boring and pointless the wvw system is early on.

All about numbers and no skill/gameplay results in a boring wvw. Pressing the same button over and over again on Siege can only entertain you for so long.

AOE cap is needed, trying to take a tower or keep would even be worse than now with all the ACs. So even without technical issues the AOE cap should stay. I personally love the downed state. I love when they clutter up and try to rezz.

Problem with WvW is that it turned into siege wars and it takes 4-5 hours to take a keep with people in it. And nobody ain’t got time for that…

A game needs to be dynamic and fast to be fun. I can give you an entire list of games that are succesful with dynamic gameplay. But I can’t come up with any that takes as much time as siege war does at the moment. They turned WvW into boring and slow gameplay.

And yes, I notice a decrease in players too. I used to play 10hours+ of WvW a day. Now I sometimes log in at prime for a couple of hours.

ps.: don’t get how you guys can’t pay for the expenses? When I only played WvW, I still had spare money to lvl up alts to 80 via crafting and give them exotic gear. On an entire day, I usely earn +-10g, all expenses already taken off.

No..if you get hit by an aoe group and wipe as a zerg that is your fault for sitting clustered in one spot AND being glass cannon AND being slow to react.

You should have scouts spread out, you should be spread out, you should pan your cam when your standing. You can’t expect to be clustered and have tunnel vision and expect to be rewarded.

Or you can stand in one spot clicking button number 1 as is the case now.

As for the gold, people don’t spend the entire day in WvW. You would make the same amount of cash in 2 hous or less in PvE. Also, if you are doing what you like and that is wvw..why can’t you get asc gear rewards and drops used to produce them? WvW IS PVE.

Your entire post is filled with assumptions about me and most of them are even wrong. Remember the necro wells? Some guilds ran 10+ necros all power well. They placed it on your group as soon you went through the gate. I didn’t even see a downed state, 20man got insta downed and killed. This will happen again without the aoe cap. And you know what more? The zerg gets insta killed and the casters of the aoe too because of the retaliation. So yea, FUN!

Running as a guild means smooth movement, sticking close together for maximum boon sharing and condition clearing and maximum burst. Ofcourse the squishy casters need to stay a little in the back. If you spread out, the enemy zerg will just steam roll you. So this ain’t a good tactic.

Another assumption about me pressing ‘1’ all the time. If this was the case, I would have quit this game long ago. We moved to a lower populated server to be able to use our skills. So trust me, I use them all.

Me being a glass canon? I know you are active on the warrior forum and you should read my post there more carefully. And you would know I am not even remotely close to being glass. I got 5 sets of armor and not 1 is zerker. 3.4k armor and 30k+ health ain’t glass and yea, still necro wells took me down in matter of seconds.

And why do you need gold? WvW was never ment to be a gold farm? It is a place to have fun, you know end game content. You should have all your gear before you enter it. And still I earn enough with it to be happy. Yes I wont be able to buy a legendary, but I do have 4 lvl 80s all geared with multiple sets of armor, I still buy gems with gold and it was practicly all funded with gold earned in WvW. I do upgrades, and repair costs? Please, they are so low you can’t even consider them to be a cost. I have to admit I settle with the tier 2 food that cost 1silver/piece. But that is because I like my gold and want to buy some more gems ^^.

Rising Dusk.2408:

multivira.7925:

The rewards are already pretty high and I don’t even zerg. You just need to take one sentry and a dolyak for every time you die and you’ll probably be breaking even. Throw in a camp or two and you just paid for your lvl 80 food.

It’s a matter of perspective. A random PvE player could make 20x that in the time it takes you to earn enough to pay for your food. Why would said random PvE player, then, ever venture into WvW? The price tag of WvW is exacerbated if you’re a commander buying siege or if you upgrade bases, too; many a night go by where I am constantly in the red even if I did really well that night.

Our commanders get siege donated and making it superior is a guild effort. I never had problems upgrading or buying food :/. And I craft lvled 3 alts and geared them and haven’t farmed for gold yet ever. If I play it is in WvW.

loseros.5912:

MiLkZz.4789:

Dayra.7405:

MiLkZz.4789:

“WvW, a place for LARGE scale battle”

Continue fighting the skill-laags should be sufficient!

The main problem of large scale battle is still that 100 times skill 1 is better than 70 times skill 1 and other skills rarely work.

Transfer to a lower tier like we did and you’ll discover what small scale battles are

Edited for you.

True, no 100 man blobs. But I have seen 70 man zergs, that is a good size.

Dayra.7405:

MiLkZz.4789:

“WvW, a place for LARGE scale battle”

Continue fighting the skill-laags should be sufficient!

The main problem of large scale battle is still that 100 times skill 1 is better than 70 times skill 1 and other skills rarely work.

Transfer to a lower tier like we did and you’ll discover what your utilities do.

XII.9401:

As long as they have the downed system+AOE limit=encourages bad play and results in stale gameplay. That is why you see everyone leaving. You guys are just behind on the times.

The big WvW guilds quit a few months back because they came to realize how boring and pointless the wvw system is early on.

All about numbers and no skill/gameplay results in a boring wvw. Pressing the same button over and over again on Siege can only entertain you for so long.

AOE cap is needed, trying to take a tower or keep would even be worse than now with all the ACs. So even without technical issues the AOE cap should stay. I personally love the downed state. I love when they clutter up and try to rezz.

Problem with WvW is that it turned into siege wars and it takes 4-5 hours to take a keep with people in it. And nobody ain’t got time for that…

A game needs to be dynamic and fast to be fun. I can give you an entire list of games that are succesful with dynamic gameplay. But I can’t come up with any that takes as much time as siege war does at the moment. They turned WvW into boring and slow gameplay.

And yes, I notice a decrease in players too. I used to play 10hours+ of WvW a day. Now I sometimes log in at prime for a couple of hours.

ps.: don’t get how you guys can’t pay for the expenses? When I only played WvW, I still had spare money to lvl up alts to 80 via crafting and give them exotic gear. On an entire day, I usely earn +-10g, all expenses already taken off.

“WvW, a place for LARGE scale battle”

Small group shouldn’t be able to take down a bigger group unless they are more skilled. And this is already the case. So I don’t see the problem. If your server is greatly outnumbered than you don’t belong in that tier, it is as simple as that.

Agree with %heal, that the heal scales with your health pool. That would be great.

Well it sucks in PvE and tPvP, you got me there.

But there is no way it sucks in WvW. I did solo/duo/small group/raids/zergs with my hammer warrior and he worked perfectly fine in every situation. I don’t have problems with landing my skills. And you can’t say every opponent I fought sucked because I am sure that between all those thousands there were a few who were good.

Dodforer.2470:

MiLkZz.4789:

If this idea gets implemented you will lose all the top guilds. They will move to a game that has PvP, they wouldn’t care how crappy their graphics are, as long as it has decent PvP.

Looks like Anet decided that PvP doesn’t belong in WvW, character skill should be used on mobs not players. WvW should be siege only they say. This is plain boring and requires no skill. It will become like chess with good graphics. And I don’t like to play chess, I like something that requires fast thinking, reflexes and good hand-eye coordination.

Then go play a FPS….

I do play FPS, and I recently start playing them more again. Atleast real skill is required for those games and it has something called action too.

Caliban.3176:

MiLkZz.4789:

Aneu.1748:

Traps were a very well thought about addition to the game…

Gone make a meme thread about traps too on your forum? Seriously asking, because last one was sooo good :p.

I set a deadline for myself to when I wanted to see an AC fix, I went for 13th of this month. They announced the patch to be the 14th so yea, sure I can wait 1 extra day. They added traps and I could still defend bay while watching a movie and clicking ‘1’ on the arrowcard. Hills is even worse and I don’t think I have flipt garrison since the AC buff. Game is ruined for my playstyle, another game budged for the ‘unskilled’ ones. The casual WvW players got what they want. I will keep the game in the hope they add GvG arenas or something with openfield combat. Till then I will barely play. Have fun all, Anet ain’t thinking the same as me about what WvW should be and I am going to spare myself the dissapointment that will follow in the upcoming patches.

Milkzz, I am disappoint. We made that one the second it was announced. Go check, it is in the same thread as the Arrowcart one. http://www.votf-online.net/index.php?/topic/4101-dear-arenanet/

Not as good as with the arrowcarts but we tried. All this forumfighting has been taking a toll on me but it is for the greater good.

Hahah, I wish Anet still neglected WvW. Those were the good days.

Hammer is fine, stop trying to blame your lack of skill on a weapon.

Want to hit skills when blinded? Use soldier runes, shouts clear conditions, right before you hit, use a shout. Works on supply camps and against thiefs to interupt their stealth spike.

Blind sucks because there are only a few skills that give blind immunity. But is is just the counter against warriors.

100% of the people in my guild run hammer warriors, the weapon is strong already.

Things without a clear counter are OP. And why thiefs? Send in a guardian stealthed with stability, the traps have 1200 range. More than enough to clear those 100 supplies.

This is yet another broken mechanic, another nail in the chest made for WvW.

-Stacking up is only good for buffing, turteling is just free badges for the enemy. This games punished hard if you don’t stay mobile.

-RG uses tons of crowd control first by range, their melee ball doesn’t wait, they use the lockdown oppertunity given them by the range to engage. They run in to disrupt some more, so your stability gets stripped off and after that you become a toy ball for the shelters and hammerswings/stuns and lines of wardings. And yea you die. Right after this they regroup, waterfields —> heal and they can kill another 30ish people.

-Veil tactics are still viable, but indeed less used now without the culling.

-Key to win? Stay alive longer than they do and CC, CC, CC!