Guild Wars 2

This actually sounds interesting. A 33-50% siege damage boost wouldn’t be to bad when outmanned.

Yea I think I can live with this. IF all the damage boost are reverted to pre patch numbers.

I’ll just sign, no harm in that. Just expressing my feelings.

+1

AC were really strong siege before damage buff, now many players stopped playing WvW because you can’t cap anything without it being an absolute pain. (I play for fun you know)

Pavel.5192:

i see a lot of crying players on this WvW forum, its main difference (i im rly surprised they are from pro guilds)
in game, i did have to change my confusion mesmer, cause its useles now, and i like ac buff, cause Anet prolongated battles under/at towers, keeps
i rly dont know what to do with ac on Vabbi, but i have to adapt, sooon!

Don’t you get it? The ‘pro’ guilds want to fight players, not stand next to trebs and (maybe?) catas and watch it endless animation for hours on end. Give me 1 reason, just 1 reason why the enemy should leave a tower/keep to fight in the open?

This game is now siege wars, not pvp at all, just siege vs structure. And when you finally busted that gate, you get insta melted by the AC concentration. There is 0 fun left in WvW. I hope the big/ good guilds step up and decide to change to game themselves, meaning move to bottem servers and go for GvG and not for points.

Gave me a gamingbreak, AC is to rediculous. I want to fight players, not watch a treb animation.

Hopefully till soon.

I am so glad I transfered now, I feel pitty for Deso and SFR having to fight the master of siege: Vizunah. It’s even laughable really.

I see 3 possible way:
-get a 80-100 blob to take things so the AC damage is spread out. (PvD ofcourse rams can’t be build)
-keep moving from tower to tower till you find an empty one and hope you can cap it before some people show up. (oh the joy empty PvD)
-nightcap the hell out of you enemies and siege up. Switch your sleeping rythms (yea…that ain’t gona happen…)

All other options will be countered by 5-6 decent defenders. And yea, Vizunah has scouts in every structure like 24/7, that is why I feel sorry for Deso and SFR :p.

ammayhem.5962:

Aberrant.6749:

ammayhem.5962:

Just curious as to how those 10 can hit attackers when they aren’t built. Also, what relevance is it here that they count toward siege limit?

After you take a tower/keep the first thing you do after sweeping is siege it up if you want to hold it… starting from inner going towards outer. I’ve never seen anything like what you’re talking about.

I never said anything about setting up siege after sweeping. I was only questioning how 10 unfinished arrow carts are so devastating.

He was just showing you how many AC you could build on a gate. Showing the siege limit permitted 10+ ACs, that is all. Is that so hard to understand?

Vynt.5218:

Maybe all the organized guilds should have a meeting and stack up in the lower brackets, equally in all the servers. Then there would be no way up because of balanced matchups and glicko 2 glitch and there would also not be arrow carts and coverage that keeps them up.
We all could enjoy the fights we play the game for and there would be no reason to stress about going up in the bracket.

This has been a dream of mine ^^.

Caid.4932:

MiLkZz.4789:

Sphere.2076:

Indeed the siege buff is OP. Should have never been done. Ever heard of a public test realm? Just saying.

Where is this mythical place you talk about? I have great doubts it exists.

On topic: We ones fought against a heavily defended hills too. Only we used 20+ alphas and 2 omegas and they were melting to the ACs even before the buff. Now they would just dissapear…was super frustrating fight.

Happens every week against Riverside, its not uncommon or rare. Its their standard strategy and it was a nightmare before. Im not even going to bother trying to take it back if the patch stays as is.

I don’t think I will come back if the patch stays as it is, I don’t feel like frustrating fights like this day in day out. I’d rather switch games.

Sphere.2076:

Indeed the siege buff is OP. Should have never been done. Ever heard of a public test realm? Just saying.

Where is this mythical place you talk about? I have great doubts it exists.

On topic: We ones fought against a heavily defended hills too. Only we used 20+ alphas and 2 omegas and they were melting to the ACs even before the buff. Now they would just dissapear…was super frustrating fight.

Guys, I hate to say this but Anue has more WvW experience than most of you combined. And he is not alone, all the hardcore WvW players are disgusted by these AC changes. They were strong before and now they are rediculous.

Don’t doubt Anue his words, all what he says is true.

You aprove of arrowcard dealing up to 100k dmg/s?
Superior arrow card = 2k dmg/s on 50 players = 100k dmg/s
You can build 5 of em on each gate = 500k dmg/s
Take an average of 16k health = 31 players dead / second.

Anyone who doesn’t see that this shouldn’t be possible doesn’t play WvW. Rams are 100% useless now if there are defenders.

ps.: I got 3.4k armor 30k health and siege bunker maxed and I got melted in 3 seconds infront of a gate spamming heals. (for science)

4 superior arrowcards deal 10k damage per second, 10k!! And that against up to 50 people. That is insane.

You broke WVW, the damage is way to high, can’t cap anything anymore.
NERF ASAP PLEASE.

And you can forget capping anything that is defended by >30 people because the aoe concentration would be so intense anyone walking through would insta die. So you wont be able anymore to go through a gate.

Aoe cap should stay the way it is, it is fine.

Khally.5103:

Mystery.7392:

“1) Elementalists, guardians, and thieves will no longer be able to destroy trebuchet projectiles”

That… sucks!

Really one of the worst things Anet could’ve done.

How are we supposed to get into keeps now if we can’t defend our catas and trebs?

Are you even serious? I mean, for real? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. This should have been done from the start.

> sorry about the double post, everyone <

Take a keep from Vizu now, hahaha. No, seriously they are beast defending, ACs/catas/ballistas eveywhere and tons of them. And they got a lot of counter trebs too + all their keeps are scouted 24/7. Swirling winds often was the only reason we got in.

vomelette.4316:

Dear VcY and any other guild interested we would love to do a GvG with you and hopefully learn and have fun while doing it. Our problem is that we can most likely only field around 10 people but we would happily have 10vs20+ against you if you dislike the notion of bringing less than 20 people the fight. I’m looking forward to hearing from you in the near future (just contact me or Fab and we can make it happen)

15vs15 sounds interesting too

and good fights everywhere, good matchup, etc.

(don’t want to be infracted again for being to funny )

Only problem with the warrior is that it only has 1 viable build in WvW and forces people to play it. This being shout/heal.

Not talking about tpvp/spvp ofcourse, we have tons of problems there.
WvW is something totally different than tpvp/spvp.

oZii.2864:

Warriors shoe horned into Hammer/ Sword+horn? Sword is terrible in a damage set it’s purpose on a damage build is mobility and only that.

The boon hate thing is just going to add maybe more builds to warriors. Now your tanky warrior can at least pump out good damage to help win the fight instead of being outsustained that is still a maybe even with these changes.

Its not going to change the warriors playstyle much just maybe how they are traited. The attacks style will still look the same you can still dodge him but not as much with the new defense trait. I can’t see how you have the slightest problem with this unless its cause you play a guardian and a elementalist you feel like warriors might now be better front liners than your guardian and ele which currently are better front liners than warriors which totally makes sense for ele’s to be better front line fighters than warriors o.O.

As far as I can remember, warriors are always the fist ones in, immediatly followed by guardians and they leave as last ones together with the guardians, holding hands and collecting bags.

And yea, warriors run sword-warhorn for the mobility and hammer for the damage. Which is pretty high even in pvt build imo.

Vena.8436:

MiLkZz.4789:

And yea retaliation was a great counter against rangers and thiefs.

It wasn’t just a counter against thieves, it was a shut down. Thieves (in PvP) could do almost nothing against retal upkeep mesmers and guardians aside from the 40s~ cooldown strip on steal or running what has been, for a while, subpar s/x.

You mean you were scared of the 350dmg you got returned for every 4-8k you dealt?
Nei, this patch is a double buff for thiefs, eventho they still deal 7k dmg (in 1 hit) against 3.4k armor. Which is rediculous.

oZii.2864:

MiLkZz.4789:

Confusing was OP, no doubt there and glad they changing it.

Retaliation, my only question is: Why?? Nobody cried about it and it only returns 300-400dmg which ain’t much. Don’t think I am going to use it anymore on my warrior if it gets nerfed. I’d rather go for 25% hammer damage + boon hate is a whoppin 40% more damage. 8k hammerstuns inc.

A guardian with high retal uptime will wreck a warrior thinking about 100bs. Most people die to retal and don’t notice since it could be the bleeds you have on you are the poison killing you or the burning frying you.

Retal is good against quick hitting attackers like warrior, thief, ranger many other classes are not really bothered by it.

Also I can’t believe the OP is upset about the boon hate thing for warriors since warriors are one of the fastest classes to go down you gotta be kidding me right the change is placed to specfically help deal with guardians and eles. The by product is if you have alot of boons on you then you will be hurting too but its not like the warrior wouldnt do alot of damage to you anyway.

Also from what I gather this trait is grandmaster in discipline which means they will have to sacrifice somewhere either in power or arms if they are burst with atleast 20 points in defense. Warrior will still do alot of damage no doubt but they already do when specced its not like they are running around wrecking everyone. Most people agree warrior definitely needs some help against bunker classes.

Boon hate isn’t huge because you stacked some might, and some swiftness and some protection. Protection is still -33% damage if you have access to it.

Correction, bad specced warriors are the first ones to go down. The good ones seem to stay alive for ever and a 3k hit on them just seems to scratch em :/.

And yea retaliation was a great counter against rangers and thiefs. And for warriors 100b, 8 hits * 300dmg= 2.4k damage, full channeled 100b = 7-15k dmg. With the big health pool of a warrior that shouldn’t be a problem if you consider the trade off.

Yorek Vrasen.7034:

inb4 moderators hit this kitten.

But seriously, Confusion was not overpowered. People just need to not have “1” on auto-attack and, oh I dunno, pay attention to the little icons that pop up on your character.

Also, why are they removing blocking treb shots? It actually took coordination to do that as well….weeeeee

Decent mesmer group, locate commander, place 25stack of confusion, commander uses 1 skill, boom he is dead. Nope, not overpowered at all.

Confusing was OP, no doubt there and glad they changing it.

Retaliation, my only question is: Why?? Nobody cried about it and it only returns 300-400dmg which ain’t much. Don’t think I am going to use it anymore on my warrior if it gets nerfed. I’d rather go for 25% hammer damage + boon hate is a whoppin 40% more damage. 8k hammerstuns inc.

All go moan in the other thread about transfering please, last thread was a fun one. Make this one a fun one too.

So only compliments and jokes allowed under this line, save your crying for corners.

ARM.3912:

MiLkZz.4789:

I dissagree, SFR and Deso are falling apart because of massive blobbing and skill lag. These 2 servers had by far the largest amount of skilled guilds. I would love to see them spread out (which they are doing) to lower servers to boost the entire WvW quality and boost the entire WvW competition.

If every server has atleast 3-4 big strong guilds, WvW ladder would be quite interesting.

ps.: what you are saying ain’t our intent. We don’t want to go higher than tier 5.

Massive zerging = skill? Laff.

Ask any of these guilds to GvG and you’ll soon know how to play WvW. A blob is terrible to fight, but SFR and Deso had blobs of skilled players. Those were straight nightmares. There ain’t much skill in zerging no, but you can’t deny the players in the zerg were skilled.

Seriously hope 1) only applies to trebuchet. And 3%/boon, you serious :o, that is an insane dmg buff. Will be like, hey look an ele, boom dead.

I dissagree, SFR and Deso are falling apart because of massive blobbing and skill lag. These 2 servers had by far the largest amount of skilled guilds. I would love to see them spread out (which they are doing) to lower servers to boost the entire WvW quality and boost the entire WvW competition.

If every server has atleast 3-4 big strong guilds, WvW ladder would be quite interesting.

ps.: what you are saying ain’t our intent. We don’t want to go higher than tier 5.

Warrior is strong in WvW and weak and in need of a buff in spvp/tpvp.
You want protection and regen on your warrior? Treat your warhorn for it.
Warriors are actually quite strong in WvW. Fighting against thiefs is always really close and the one who make the most mistakes loses. Mesmers depends on the build, some just keep invulv/root/stun break the kitten out of you.

Bunker eles, can’t kill you, you can’t kill them. Just some hitting there, hitting here and you both leave the opposite direction.

This is all with a bunker shout/heal warrior. Which is in my eyes the only viable WvW build out there. You don’t have to be as tanky as Cook is. But zerker armor is just so so bad in WvW. And I wouldn’t say a guardian does everything better than a warrior. They have totally different roles. And they pretty much equally tanky. And yes I play both.

ps.: gw2buildcraft is imo the best build site out there atm. I love it.

My engi would be General General MiLkZz.
Yea, that sounds general enough.

Thank you kind sir,

We at VcY, take this game very serious. As a good corporation we take working, or in other words WvW very seriously. That is why we require from all our workers to work atleast 18 hours/day. (It’s in the small lines in their contract) We did caught a few workers who did not reach this cap. They thought to fool our system. But we are a well structured company and such false play was easily detected. That is why we made them to run overtime. This could explain the higher than usual VcY numbers in WvW.

We are extremely sorry if we highered the work load for your companies. But you will surely realize that punishment was needed.

Chief financial and operating officer of the charr resources department and Chief director women organizer in VcY,

MiLkZz

I do agree a warrior needs a buff in sPvP. The limited build options, no food and damage nerf (crit dmg) hurts the warrior in all the aspects he needs to kill/survive.

A signet build at lvl 80 is the worst build I can almost come up with that can be called a build for a warrior. Buffing signets won’t change anything to the warriors state. Even with a significant buff to their signets they will still suck in sPvP.

No matter how you buff signets, it will still suck in WvW too because it gets outshined in every possible way by the shout/heal build.

So I don’t know what they are planning with the warrior but I hope it ain’t this.

I started playing GW2 on RoS. INC was my former guild. This was back in December when we were in the last tier. I moved to SFR after I hit lvl 80 just to follow a friend. But it is good to be back. We are really enjoying ourselves now.

I got to excuse myself if we brought imbalance to the tier, we only scouted RoS for 2-3 days which ain’t that long. But tier 1 was really not fun anymore and I am finally enjoying WvW again. Had some really fun 1vs1 and small scale fights.

I got to say thou that RoS managed to go up a tier by themselves, maybe not yet this week but I think definitely next week. We sped it up a little.

I am sorry to hear AS is dropping a tier, but you got to admit that your 24/7 coverage is lacking in comparising to the other 2 servers.

All by all, thanks for accepting us RoS. You guys are good chaps and fun to work with.

ps.: to the other servers, 1 community teamspeak really helps A LOT. Make subchannels for guilds/borderlands in that one. And motivate people to join it. It will greatly improve your servers performance.

WvW gives TONS of karma, which you can spend on exotic karma gear. I don’t know about you but it gives me enough money to craft lvl 3 alts from 1-80 and gear them up.

Now you can buy exotic armor with badges + 1gold. Badges are easy to get and 1 gold is nothing. Money ain’t a problem in WvW. And who needs ascended, like those few stats are going to make a difference in the outcome of a fight.

WvW ain’t really casual, because indeed, the nature of the game requires you to put a lot of time in it if you got for the win. I find sPvP a lot more casual than WvW. But the reward ain’t the uber armor or WvW skills (like in COD), I am even against that. The reward is wiping the enemy, capping that keep after hours of siege and winning the week.

It is quite hilarious how some people who don’t even play on SFR think they understand the situation. Lucky for you I am a patient man and I’ll break it down to you.

Let’s start with talking about the time before the free server transfers. I got 1 thing to say, our pugs were a dream. They worked together, they took initiative, many were using teamspeak and they listened to commanders. We had good guilds that ran around alone or reinforced with some randoms. We often had 1 guild on an entire borderland, they just appointed a pug commander and the guildies ran with the other commander. So both sides were covered. Queue times were short and raids were fun. Good times.

Now let’s see what happened after we reached #1 status and the free transfers. Many new randoms joined the server, some new guilds too who refused to use our community site or teamspeak. Or who don’t even communicate with other commanders on the map. Queue times exploded to 2-3 hours. We had to call off multiple raids because we couldn’t get enough people from our guild in. And this was with queing 1-2 hours in advance. Our prime time went down from being first to being last. We gained our points during the nights now, when the guilds could get people in. The new randoms (and I am sure not all, just the majority), were bad. They died in a breeze and didn’t listen to commanders. The /m was just disgusting to read. Full with people thinking they were the best and knew it all. Asking them to join teamspeak or join the commander resulted in remarks and laughter. We went down from having 30+ people in teamspeak for the EB map to 3. We just passed the fase of teaching the randoms and getting them to teamspeak and now we see all our efforts dissapear. We had to start all over again with a crowd that seemed impossible to ever be teached.

So yea, you tell me. Do we have to be friendly to people who just joined for the easy bags, the leechers who just wanted to say they play in T1? Who don’t want do put ANY effort at all into the community. No, the guilds are tired and we show it like this. We tell the pugs to sue it themselves. They know it best, than do it your own way. Many guilds already left, many stayed. Some will come back when we dropped or when the situation gets better. And the only reason we still are getting points is because Deso ain’t doing anything. If they pushed we wouldn’t tick higher than 50 points.

SFR has been a very good organized server with tons of WvW orientated guilds. Our backbone always has been the community. We never had many randoms, only in EB. Now it is 90% random. Will a drop to T2 help? I actually do think so yes. I know many server hoppers already left. I think we will get rid of the ‘rotten’ part of the apple like this. And can move forward with the remaining part that actually wants to put an effort in. We have to rebuild our community and that is easier and more fun to do in T2.

I think dropping down a Tier is a good example of how broken SFR is right now. The main community decided to drop and still many randoms are capping things. And don’t listen when we tell them to stop. Look at Deso and how good their guilds/randoms listen. I remember the last time we wanted to drop, Elona wanted too. We won that time in losing because the entire server didn’t even kill sentries or dolyaks. Everyone listened and went for it and we often didn’t even tick for 50 points.

If you compare that with the situation now, than you realize guilds who put 1000s of hours into SFR are mad.

Dooh is a good commander of SFR. What he says is basicly true, but not the entire truth. SFR got kittened over by the free transfers. Many randoms joined the server who don’t listen, have bad builds and are bad players.

Many good guilds left because of the skill lag and monster blobbing from Vizu and Deso. It just ain’t fun in Tier 1 anymore. Add the bad pugs who don’t do much except rallying the enemy and you got yourself an unfun envirenment.

So yea, many guilds who are still left on SFR decided it is time to drop a tier and rebuild the community and get the pugs organized. We remember the fun we had in T2 and the fun in the weeks we wanted to drop down a tier before. Many run without commander now and don’t cap anything. And it is working, some people who joined with the free transfers, payed to get transfered back.

The state of SFR has been horrible the past 2 weeks, really really horrible. And we hope to get everything back on track soon.

ps.: Deso is #1 troll server in the world, the suddenly want to drop too and are better at losing than us…
pps.: we make it unplayable for the randoms, not the guilds. We still have fun.

Yes, a hurray for DevonCarver. The replies and answers are awesome. Good to see my favourite aspect of the game being in good hands.

DevonCarver.5370:

Agreed. We need to figure out how we want to handle this, however, so I can’t say when we’ll do something about it or what the nature of the solution will be.

Don’t change it :o, collecting bags is awesome. I love to look behind me at the end of a battle and see 20-30 bags behind me. And it really ain’t hard to pick em up while fighting. Bags is 1 of the reasons I love WvW.

New vizunah (aka deso) took blobbing to an entire new level. Vizunah is actually fun to play against now, and they seem to have their stuff back in order too. Good to see that, but deso…. they worse than vizu a few months ago.

Have only seen 1 guild from deso running solo: Unit, and after they got killed they joined the blob which already was huge.

We would have moved up with or without the guilds from Piken, you guys just sped up the process. The first 2 weeks in T2 everyone was slacking on SFR and wanted some GvG.

It would have cost us probably 3 weeks or so of hard pushing, but we would have made it. There was no moment what so ever that anyone on our server thought: Dam, look at the point difference. We will never make it back.

But don’t get me wrong, we are glad you joined us, becaus we wouldn’t have had the strenght to beat Vizu.

The system ain’t optimal no, but you can’t deny that if you put a T1 server in the bottum tier, they will quickly steamroll through the tiers till T1 again.

ps.: to make a LoL reference. Their ain’t no tier hell.

I agree with OP, everything he says about the aoe limit is true. That is why it is needed and should stay. Good luck getting through a shoke point without.

Remember the necro wells that hit 20 people? And that you had a trait so you could place those? I have seen multiple times a 30 man zergs just died, without downed state because of those.

We don’t run in as soon as the gate goes down. But a good enemy doesn’t waste his aoe either before they see us. And as soon we ran through we insta melted. That is why the cap should stay.

And if the cap is gone, I want my shouts to heal+buff the entire zerg too.

SFR didn’t had trouble getting back into T1. It just takes some time. And tbh, with Deso blobbing so hard now, I do think T1 >> T2.

I know a guild on ‘vacation’ and that guild alone steamroles 2 servers.

I see your zerg and raise you a blob only Vizu (and recently Deso) can deliver.

Contiguous.1345:

250,000 kills to get a title ‘Ultimate Dominator’.

(Or escort a Dolyak 1,000,000 times – that’s ONE MILLION mind-numbingly slow pack-carriers escorted to get something slightly less hyperbolic.)

Am I missing something? I currently have about 1.2k kills after about 3 months play. I calculate I would need to play about 7,000 months – more than 500 years to get that title.

I am playing WvW since January and I just passed the 22k kills. I think the most kills atm is around 180-200k. Nobody has the title yet, but the ultimate dominator title is very doable. The other titles are insane yes. But the kills one is fine.

ps.: we once went all out farming the enemy and got 600kills in an hour. So 4k is possible if the enemy keeps coming but I doubt so. Think best I did was like 1.8-2k kills in a day and that was a loooong day.

Thief can’t touch a decent warrior either :p, tons of tricks to get them off your tail. ‘fear me’ is my personal favourite. But you can run sigil of hydromacy too, weapon swap when they are right behind and run away or kill… you decide.

No warrior is a great class in WvW. They really add tons to a group which other classes can’t. And all that while still dealing decent amount of damage.

Weird I earned 20g in the past 2 days in WvW…

People still complaining about the loot? You play WvW because it is fun, the loot is just to cover for the upgrades.

Agree with the above, I didn’t enjoy my necro and I haven’t looked at him since.

I love my warrior because of WvW. Chain ccing people, jumping into blobs head first and walking out alive with lootbags everywhere. I love him because he can take a punch and still keeps moving forward. I love him because I can outrun a chasing zerg. I love him because the 1on1 fights are intense. I love him because he looks epic and brings utility to the group.

I love the skill ‘fear me’, just use hammer ‘3’ to tag 5 people on a cliff than fear em down. Worked multiple times already.

I love him because of his skill sets and mechanics.

Redscope.6215:

MiLkZz.4789:

I disagree with almost everything. But I am assuming this is for sPvP/tPvP and considering the builds for these are totally different from the ones used in WvW (heck, I can’t even make my build in the mists…) I can’t say much.

Your damage section must be troll thou, warrior had almost the best burst in game. And we can give ourselves 100% movement speed uptime (traited with warhorn offhand) which no other class, besides the elementalist, can this easily.

Fixed is in bold. The problem is your opinion of the warrior comes from zerging; and while I agree with you on your points, you can’t disagree with someone on a completely different premise. The warrior has a lot of “diversifiable” negatives that nearly, if not completely, disappear in a massive ball of players. Even in smaller groups he can sometimes get away with controlling a fight, but most of the time he gets stomped outside the zerg.

SOR + warhorn is 100% uptime, you don’t have to trait anything. Not the warhorn, nor the signet. So be careful before you correct someone. And yea the ele can, that makes 2 classes. It still is a big advantage. People rarely get away from a good warior.

And my opinion comes from organised guild raids, GvG and yes zergs. But also from a ton of solo fights. And a solo warrior doesn’t get stomped in WvW (unless he is a zerker). Zerkers are a different story, they stomp some classes/builds hard and get stomped hard by some classes/builds.

Lalangamena.3694:

1- yes they stack.
2- the mace weakness application duration is very low (2 sec on bosses…).
3- hammer 2 applies better weakness

You can get 100% weakness uptime with mace against players. Which is deadly for some classes. Mace-mace is very good against eles too, because of all the interupts.

I am not 100% sure either, I will try it out tomorrow.

You conclude all that out of 1 hour of play on some scrub server?

applauds

You say you don’t know WvW, so don’t talk about it than. Because you are wrong on every point. It is THE best fun I have had in any mmorpg. Skill does matter, look at 20 player groups killing 3-4x their numbers.

Grind cof >>>>>> grind SAB

Don’t see the problem, I did SAB around 30-35times p1-3 and only got 1 skin, gg. I am just going for the sword skin with baubles now. I got the backpack/staff/shield/greatsword.