Guild Wars 2

Pyroatheist.9031:

I have accounts on both EU and NA, so I’ve got you covered =P.

As far as my personal skill, probably a 9. 10 is unachieveable, but I am very good. As far as my skill comparison with Osicat, can’t really make a judgement there. I’ve never actually fought him, and we tend to play significantly different builds with significantly different playstyles.

Mesmer is substantially more difficult than most other professions. It has a higher skill floor than a lot of professions, but that’s not what makes it unique. It definitely has the highest skill ceiling of any profession, and that allows someone who excels at mesmer to stomp anyone that excels at another class.

I think thief have the highest skill ceiling. Most because their utility skills are even better than ours. Shadow trap for example can be abused in the hands of a good thief and make him/her unkillable.

Find a setup you like and play the heck out of it. Diff. mesmer plays so different you can’t really port the play skill from one to anthoer. For example I play a pure long range mesmer, my whole playing style centers around staying at the edge of 1200 range. This would be of no use what so ever to anyone who uses a melee weapon set. The only skills that are useful in every setup is timing stealth, dodge and blink.

I run GS/Staff.
10,20,25,15
It’s a hybrid of phantasm and Shatter.
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Decoy,S of Dom, Arcane Thief, Mass Invis
pvt armor zerger jewles. zerker gs , rampage staff.

GS is your burst, Staff is for defense. Range is your best weapon. Stealth is your second best weapon.

XenusTEHG.1965:

how my skills can prevent rifts from instant kill you right after spawn at the opposite side of the arena?
I cant even kill them cuz they’re obstructed

if you are melee you are screwed but any ranged attack will 1 shot it. Also the orbs spawn at the same time and same place every time if you fight in the same arena. So once you know the sequence you can pretty much kill it before it pulls you.

I beat her after over 200 tries . It was more of a relief than joy when I did it. The challenge is all about pattern. You have to do it over and over to get the pattern of spawn. It really have nothing to do with how well you can play your class. After I beat her on my mesmer I tried her on my ele just for fun. While I didn’t beat her but I got to p2 and got her down to 1/3 on my first try.
If you want to test your skill there is no substitute for a real human.

Before I start lets lay down some facts.
1. I did finish her
2. It took me over 200 tries

So I’m NOT very good since most people have killed her in less than 50. This guide is for those like me who aren’t very good and still want to get the kill.

The basics , these are posted already many times:
The fight is 2 stages.
Stage 1 she is invun. and she shoots necro bolts at you at a slow pace. She will cast AEs that cover 1/4 of the area and the aes rotate clock or couter clock wise.
Once the fight starts orbs will spawn at set times . These orbs will pull you to them if you do not kill them. They are 1 shot kills and you can rally off of them.
There will be white circle that spawn on the ground , you pretty much need to move around these circles for the first stage.
She will spwan clones at set times as the fight progress. These clones will kill you if they touch you, but you CAN dodge into them. The clones will insta die if they touch the white circle on the ground and leave behind a shard.

OBJECTIVE FOR STAGE 1: get the shards and throw them at Liadri . Do this 3 times and you will start stage 2.

Stage 2. Everything happens just like stage 1 except that the AE now cover 3/4 of the area instead of 1/4 and Liadri will move to attack.

Here is what I learned.
1. if you start the fight at the same arena the location and pattern of everything are the same every fight. You may get put into the arena at diff spot at the start but where and when everything happens are the same .
2. The best way to lure the clones into the white circles is to stand right behind the circle .
3. The best way to toss the shards is to dodge into the shard pick it up run a few steps then throw.
4. For stage 2 the key is to stay close to the middle of the arena .
5. You NEED A LOT OF VIGOR.
6. Spec for evade or block or invun so when you are in trouble and can’t dodge these will save your kitten .
7 .Liadri can be CCed

The biggest take away for me is that the whole fight is not one BIT random. Everything happen the same way as far as I can tell. So it is all about timing . Learn the pattern and get the timing right. If there are any skill lag at all don’t even bother starting the fight. GL to all.

ok you guys aren’t better than me.. maybe a little lol. I just did it after 50 more tries.

After close to maybe exceeding 200 tries on my mesmer I am going to call it quits on the kitten. I got her down to 30% a few times and never closer . I just thought I post this in case someone else was feeling bad about not finishing it with 100 tries , don’t worry I’m much worse than you

well all the more power to you. I beat everyone up to her in at most 3 tries. I have tried her about 200 times now and I have never got her blow 30%. I am giving up. Just not worth my effort any more. It really all come down to timing and nothing else. I thought about writing a script to do it and I bet it will do better than me lol.

People have being saying there needs to be more than just hold the pt model since release. I was one of those voices . I think Anet have the farm bet on the 1 game model and will not change their mind.

Haru Kane.4623:

Mogar.9216:

if you play pvp you wouldn’t care about class since you can be any class you want. Any one can pick up any class and be pretty good at it after 20-30 matches. The 5% diff between a very well played character and and well played character isn’t meaningful in a 5 v 5 . In WvW mesmer are still very good .

Obviously you haven’t done any high end pvp lol. Everything you said was wrong, save the last bit, and even that’s starting to change. Do you even play this game?

So you think all those necros were all mains and they were just waiting in the shadows until the last patch and all of a sudden got recruited on to pvp teams?

if you play pvp you wouldn’t care about class since you can be any class you want. Any one can pick up any class and be pretty good at it after 20-30 matches. The 5% diff between a very well played character and and well played character isn’t meaningful in a 5 v 5 . In WvW mesmer are still very good .

if you want to melee pick thief if you want more ranged fighting pick mesmer. I think thief is a better class at noob to mid skill level, mesmer is better at mid to high skill level and thief is better at the very top end. I have both and ended up with mesmer because I don’t like melee play style.

Dutchares.6084:

It becomes Dark Ages of Cast a lot??
With only casters.
Where melee trains aren’t able to get to you, because they got shot down before they reach you
Where if 2 large armies meet it becomes a shoot out from max range battle and zergs runs away when one army pushes or get wiped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkl_fAjmLmA

That is so not true. Casters get hard interrupted when they get hit. The best 8 mans run at most 2 casters, most only run 1 for the CC. The aoe bomb only works on noob zergs like the one in vid vs a good 8 man it would never work.

lol kitten I miss DAoC. Those were good times.

mesmer. if you want to solo roam, stealth helps a lot. To be honest I roam 99% of the time and I rarely if ever come up against a solo eng.

lol every other game div. up the xp that way, Anet use the shared system to promote zerg. They did it on purpose, unlikely they will change their mind.

Atherakhia.4086:

Victory.2879:

That wasn’t a personal insult- guardians have way more in terms of heals, condition removals, defences, etc than necros and can survive very well with the right builds- that huge heal, retaliation, etc make taking down a guardian a real pain.

Necros aren’t OP as they are quite easy to kill if you know their skill sets and how the average wvw player plays it- and the best counter against a necro is another necro.

See soooo many guardians in wvw now, wonder why that is…could be as they are hard to kill and can tag lots of kills,,,

They’re also ANet’s golden child and have been at the very top of PvE, PvP, and WvW since day 1. Think people are finally catching on that Guardian is the one sure way to success in this game.

Problem is there are soo many bad guardians out there. Kinda like thieves there are so many bad ones out there people think they are easy to kill if you know how to deal with them. Then you meet a really good one and say wtf just happened there…

In general you can’t go much wrong with buying all PVT karma gear from Orr temples. Then mix and match jewlery from there depend on your playing style. I stacked up all my karma items then drink all my jugs of karma saved from dailies when I hit 80 and got a full set right away.

As long as down state exist defending will be pointless.

Like pretty much every post. Someone post something intelligent like op ten people come out of wood works reply with absolutely uninformed replies.
Necros are over the top atm they need to tone the damage down a bit.

you can move while and after mss invis you can’t move out of the hut after refuge. The area is much larger for mass invis as well.

Don’t listen to the guardians . play either thief or mesmer. Cross stealth is the KEY to take on larger groups of players and get away . As for camps and guards any class can solo camps and guards you don’t need to roll a tank for that.

After the recent patches Necros are becoming the hardest class for me to kill. It seems if they get in close to you it’s more or less game over. I run cure condi on heal and arcane thief with both it’s not enough to deal with the death machine that they are now days. So far only way I found to beat them is to stay at 1200. So how do YOU deal with a good necro now days?

You are effectively making the map larger which would make wvw more interesting. On he flip side it will make the number of battles you fight / hr smaller so there are less action but each battle would count more towards map control.

I find his rants amusing tbh lol. Then again I don’t care about the score and I don’t zerg so server morale is meaningless to me.

ditch the zerg and learn to roam. Zerg is boring , roaming is not rewarding if you are after wxp but fun.

lol I was in a 3 way fight just like you said a few times. Once you down them both you have to pick the stronger of the 2 to stomp. Or stomp one, run away recharge and do 1 v 1 vs the other guy.

I have 4k badges on my main and I have no idea what to do with them. I don’t even zerg, I imaging there are ppl who have 10 – 20x more than I do out there. Badges are useless atm.

Thrumdi.9216:

Melkiah.2496:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Night-Capping-and-YOU/first

As has been pointed out, this has been issue since launch week. Anet’s response at the time was “deal with it.” They also advised people to recruit off-hours guild.

Neither is a solution. (There is a limited number of off-hour guilds, and they tend to go to the higher tier servers).

The best suggestions from the original debate were some kind of buff the closer you got to someone’s home territory. Or a stronger out-manned buff that had actually teeth. Apparently something like them were used in DAoC.

Buffs doesn’t work. In Daoc out manned buff had some teeth and it work ONLY because there are’t the crazy thing called ‘DOWNED STATE’ , no 5 man aoe limit , only healer can rez. This means when you are out numbered 2-1 defending a keep you can slowly thin down the number of attackers over time or plan a counter attack if you out play the zerg you can wipe their healers and wipe the zerg. In GW2 down state + everyone can rez + 5 man aoe cap means it’s impossible to kill even 1 player when you are inside a keep defending. Counter rush is pointless. I have fought in many battles where my side rushed a larger zerg downed 1/2 of the zerg in the rush only to have them insta rally on 1 or 2 of our death and then zerg us down.

Benjifu.8451:

I will once again start this by saying I apologise if there is already a topic on this!

It is in reference to the fact that I feel a servers own BL’s should be locked down overnight whilst the majority of players are in bed, leaving EB as a playing field.

There’s nothing worse then to have a really good day of WvW upgrading 3 keeps in your BL (is that like 4-5g ish?) only to wake up in the morning and find out a team of 5 people raided your BL with 4 golems. Its demoralising to WvW players and somewhat unfair?

What do you people think about the idea of locking a Servers own BL down so invaders cannot go there but allowing EB to be an overnight playing field?

made posts like this since first month , have been told over and over that Anet does not want to kitten off any players etc etc…

WvWvW match up are won or lost at the moment of pairing. Take the 3 severs that’s paired value everyone who wvw on each server between 7pm to 2 am at 1 pt each, value the rest of the players at 1.5 each. You add up the pt values the server with highest pt wins.

There are counters to mesmer every class has it. The problem is the ability to spot the real mesmer. And one with good defense have a 50/50 shot at beating a mesmer IF you know how to spot the real one fast. It’s very hard to do because any decent mesmer will use stealth to make it really hard to pick him/her out.

I often have a pretty easy time of beating other mesmers because I can pick the real one out very fast and since 95% of the mesmers aren’t used to have someone beating on them none stop and in general run a very glass cannon setup it’s kinda funny how fast they die.

Authority.6145:

Any hot spots in World vs World for solo-duo ?

So far X server boarders = Zergfest from either enemy or ally.
Eternal Battlegrounds = Seems quite a lot of fun but still need more time exploring it.

The island with the broken sky bridge and vista up high between the 2 bottom spawn pts is a good spot. If I want to look for a good solo fight I head there most of time.

Quells.2498:

I dunno if it’s low tier servers who are just unaware of how strategic it can be but resorting to these ridiculous titles like “zergling” is a big roadblock in your understanding of how WvW works so far.

lol , while granted there are some strategic aspect to gw2 but really it’s a joke compare to DAoC where the zerg isn’t everything. When a game allows for smaller force to use speed and stealth to effect the outcome of a battle heck even if the game allowed a smaller force to stall a larger force it create a lot more strategic fighting. If real life was like gw2 Alexander the great would never have beat the Persians with 1/5 of the number , Hannibal would never have beat Rome over and over. The so called 300 would be just a speed bump . Seige warfare wouldn’t exist. No one would even bother build walls or castles .
In GW2 a zerg moves just as fast as small groups, defensive structures offer no advantage to defenders. Defenders inside a keep have 0 hope of thinning out attackers. No battle line or movement such as flanking encircle in large scale battles . Everyone just balls up. The only tactical fighting is using terrain and abuse gimmicks like invis and portal. I can go on and on and on. And yes I play on upper tier server.

I melt people’s faces in WvW. I wear all pvt armor and all zerker jewelry . I have’t played a lot lately about 1 hr a day at most. Seems the number of skilled player have dropped a lot, at least in my experience. I guess most wvwer just zerg now days , so it’s somewhat effortless to kill solos with high burst.

Orr is easy on any class esp on mesmer since we can stealth. If you are hving problem in orr you most likely need toughness.

mass invis > all

You get loot wxp and all that jazz from killing another player. You can buy gear that’s no better than pve stuff with all the xp and karma and badge you get. You get the same amount of ‘stuff’ from each killed player no matter if you did 1% of damage or 100% of the damage. So if your goal is to get most ‘stuff’ from wvw then you should run with a giant zerg rather than solo.
Most soloers like me do it for fun. I find zerging rather mindless and boring.

Geiir.7603:

I just completely destroyed a lvl 80 Thief on my lvl 14(!!!!!!!) Guardian. I mean, come on. If I can do it on a lvl 14 then anyone can do it… The key? Know how stealth works. I stopped his attempts to stealth or chain stealth by simply playing smart. He tried to drop shadow refuge, and I just bursted the crap out of SR, result? Downed thief ready to die.

Seriously, just learn the Thief and how stealth works and you’ll be laughing each time a thief stealths

Once I killed 5 players on my ele so everyone should be able to kill 5 players at one time roaming then…? Your logic is very flawed.

:) if Anet wanted people to not attack each other why would they have put the JP in a WvW zone?

GS/Staff plays as a ranged caster. Both have max range GS for damage staff for survival. I run a hybrid between shatter and phantasm . Works pretty good.

I love it. The great sword has one thing going for it that is range. If you play the game like a ranged caster GS is just well GREAT. If you can stay at max range of GS chances are you CAN’T be hit by the other guy.

Fought a 1 v 1 v 1 a while ago. All of us are decent players all of us got dowed at 1 pt of the fight. It just turns out l.uck was on my side I was able to rally off a mob and win the fight.

I hear you. At the start of any game info about any class are very good as game get old you’ll get 90% trash on boards and guides. Mainly I think the good players either left or don’t care to post any more.
As there are many ways to play mesmer so there aren’t many general tips. I played around with many builds one thing I found that applies to all builds is that Stealth rules. Staff too good to pass up and Centaur runes too useful to pass up.

Cast the first one from stealth . Decoy then get the phantasm out from stealth and you have 80% of the fight won right there.

might stacking is over rated anyway. But try a shatter build with GS/Staff it’s pretty awesome. I go from GS izerker burst then shatter switch to staff shatter 2 then back to gs izerker and shatter again quite a bit of burst.

I always played GS/Staff. As for interrupt I don’t think it’s reliable enough to count on it .

Down state is the number 1 reason I have semi stopped playing GW2. It’s impossible to kill even 1 person if you are outnumbered . I don’t mind dying to a zerg in fact I love to take on larger numbers. But with down state there is absolutely no pt in attacking a larger group you won’t get a single kill because of it. Same goes for defending a keep vs a zerg.

You have to time your dodge and keep pressure on the mesmer. Phantasms only deal damage every 5 secs or so. If you dodge INTO them you will avoid most damage. Don’t bother with killing the phantasms the mesmer can summon them faster than you can kill them but your ae damage will most likely be enough to kill the ones that’s close to you. You have to try and damage the mesmer the whole time.