Right now outmanned buff just tells me we don’t have a chance of winning in this lopsided match, so don’t bother logging into WvW and just watch tv or something. It needs a boost to stats. It won’t be unbalanced. Buffs like that have worked in plenty of other games, and you’re ignorant if you think it would encourage people to grief other players to get off the map so they can have the buff. more people is ALWAYS better than having a higher stat boost. But hey, Anet set up bloodlust and gave the side that’s already winning a boost in stats. How does that make sense? You’re delusional if you think the losing side can take and hold the buff. So far, since bloodlust has been implemented, in all the lopsided matches I’ve been in the winning side ALWAYS holds all 3 buffs while the other 2 servers get spawn camped and farmed unable to do anything. That’s what’s happening in the matchup i’m in now, but hey its ok because I have magic find and no repair bill!
Get your crap together Anet and pull your heads out your rears. People are getting sick of the crappy state WvW is in right now. The only reason a lot of us are still here is because you have no competition in terms of MMOs with decent WvW mode. Don’t you think other companies will see this crap and learn from the mistakes you’re making and make a better game? You’ll lose a lot of people as soon as that happens. You guys don’t seem to want to listen to what your customers want though. Reminds me of Jay Wilson and how he was screwing up D3 and everyone playing was unhappy.
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I guess they are just bad then. Still easy to kill. So my point still stands. I guess we get matched up against nothing but horrible servers. I still rejoice every time I see an ele in a group. I single them out because I know i’m guaranteed an easy lootbag.
If you can’t kill an ele as bad as the class is right now, just quit the game. You must be a really horrible player. Any other class could kill them in a couple hits. Stand in the meteors that hit for a pathetic 2k damage and shoot down at them and kill them in a couple hits, problem solved. Hell, I can literally 1 shot them with my warrior regardless of how tanky they THINK they are, and I am not the least bit glassy (have over 3k armor). The class is a joke and a free lootbag in wvw. I LOVE when they come too close to a tower and try to drop meteors on me. They’re assuring their own death.
>Get downed on my ele
>Doesn’t care
>Vapor forms back to the zergIf the person tries to stomp a 2nd time enjoy that quick death. I’ll probably be up again from everyone reviving me before you even get there. Certainly before you’re able to get a stomp off or be able to dps my ele down.
You do realize that vapor form and mist form were stealth nerfed recently right? Anyone with half a brain will take advantage of that now and immobilize you before you can float away and you WILL die. Immobilize will work on mist form and vapor form now. I guess you’re fortunate that 95% of zerglings never carry any immobilize skills and have nothing but damage skills on their utility slots. Can’t tell you how many times an ele has tried that with me and I nailed him with pindown and watched him float in place and then drop again when mistform/vaporform expires, then I drop a combustive shot right on his body. and good luck to anyone trying to res him while my fire ticks away on him at over 1k per tick.
The immobilization won’t last long enough to prevent it. It does limit the distance a bit though. 1k per tick is nothing compared to how much multiple people can res for. Any damage you do to the ressers is easily healed. You’re not going to stop any half decent group from reviving the ele before death by doing this.
I guess all the eles that I’ve ever fought were just terrible players on terrible servers who cant even keep me from killing them when their friends are trying to res them? Is that what you’re saying? You underestimate how much hurt a warrior can put out. between all the bleeds, confusion stacks, and burns, they are going to have a REALLY hard time keeping someone up if I focus on them, especially a squishy ele. After all the nerfs they are pretty much guaranteed kills even if they have help.
If they just added a separate map in WvW specifically for GvG that didn’t have anything to capture and was just open field fighting, this wouldn’t be an issue. That’s what we’ve been asking for. We don’t want lame SPvP, so no, that is not an option. We want to use our builds that we worked on, not some crappy amulet. And spvp makes a lot of builds impossible to replicate. I hate it. I like to mix things, i’m picky about certain stats. Customization is limited, and besides that I want to use the gear I grinded for, not some preset crap. Just make a separate map WITHOUT bloodlust where we can fight with our WvW gear that’s just as big as the rest of the borderlands.
And then watch people come onto our GvG map from the other borderlands asking for help when they finally pull their heads out their kitten and realize the guilds that participate in GvG were the biggest contributors to WvW in the first place and we tell them to F off because why should we help people who talked down to us this entire time when we did more than they ever did?
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This is pretty brilliant. Alliances happen all the times in war. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I see no reason why we shouldn’t be allowed to team up to take on a greater threat.
But because of the fact this does make sense is why I can never see it happening. Watch Devon come in here and give some BS excuse like, “it doesn’t fit in the lore!” “our system can’t handle that sort of thing!” “it’s meant to be unbalanced!”.
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SBI, I feel bad for you guys now. You’ve got some Anet trolls on your server that seem to hate GvG and think of it as a violation. I’m still laughing over that one. What’s wrong with them.?
If you can’t kill an ele as bad as the class is right now, just quit the game. You must be a really horrible player. Any other class could kill them in a couple hits. Stand in the meteors that hit for a pathetic 2k damage and shoot down at them and kill them in a couple hits, problem solved. Hell, I can literally 1 shot them with my warrior regardless of how tanky they THINK they are, and I am not the least bit glassy (have over 3k armor). The class is a joke and a free lootbag in wvw. I LOVE when they come too close to a tower and try to drop meteors on me. They’re assuring their own death.
>Get downed on my ele
>Doesn’t care
>Vapor forms back to the zergIf the person tries to stomp a 2nd time enjoy that quick death. I’ll probably be up again from everyone reviving me before you even get there. Certainly before you’re able to get a stomp off or be able to dps my ele down.
You do realize that vapor form and mist form were stealth nerfed recently right? Anyone with half a brain will take advantage of that now and immobilize you before you can float away and you WILL die. Immobilize will work on mist form and vapor form now. I guess you’re fortunate that 95% of zerglings never carry any immobilize skills and have nothing but damage skills on their utility slots. Can’t tell you how many times an ele has tried that with me and I nailed him with pindown and watched him float in place and then drop again when mistform/vaporform expires, then I drop a combustive shot right on his body. and good luck to anyone trying to res him while my fire ticks away on him at over 1k per tick.
Bunch of whining kids who think they are entitled to everything , nothing has changed. G v G ruins wvw for others and the spots taken by the guilds couldve been used by others to attack the enemies cohesively.
Exactly.
I don’t see what the dev did wrong, you ARE ruining his game mode. Players there should be there for wvw. Its one thing to play the game how you want, and another thing to deprive other players the opportunity to play the game as it was intended.
So many ignorant people here commenting who don’t even understand what’s going on. There are no queues, this isn’t a tier 1 zergfest. So they aren’t taking up spots of anyone. It is in an out of the way location so they aren’t interfering with anyone.
If you can’t kill an ele as bad as the class is right now, just quit the game. You must be a really horrible player. Any other class could kill them in a couple hits. Stand in the meteors that hit for a pathetic 2k damage and shoot down at them and kill them in a couple hits, problem solved. Hell, I can literally 1 shot them with my warrior regardless of how tanky they THINK they are, and I am not the least bit glassy (have over 3k armor). The class is a joke and a free lootbag in wvw. I LOVE when they come too close to a tower and try to drop meteors on me. They’re assuring their own death.
To the warrior on SBI who keeps teleporting all over the place. Multiple people have seen you and all screenshoted and reported you. Hope you get banned. And to the thief with the fly hack, we will catch you too. Bad enough SBI outnumbers us 20 to 1, you need to cheat too. Pathetic.
Have a guild name for them?
warrior didn’t have a guild tag and didn’t catch the thief’s tag. he jumped over a wall, stabbed someone and stealthed and kept laughing. But I will catch him eventually.
To the warrior on SBI who keeps teleporting all over the place. Multiple people have seen you and all screenshoted and reported you. Hope you get banned. And to the thief with the fly hack, we will catch you too. Bad enough SBI outnumbers us 20 to 1, you need to cheat too. Pathetic.
They just need to unnerf our skills that they messed up. We should be able to heal in mistform again, RTL needs its original cooldown and range back, they need to unnerf our condition removal and healing as well. And there was no reason for them to remove the stunbreakers on purifying flame and lightning flash. I’d gladly trade Mesmer’s blink with our LF. Even with those changes we would STILL be underpowered compared to all the other classes as they are now. The thing eles need most of all is a flat out buff in damage to all our skills. Unless you’re using some gimmicky conjure build(which I refuse to use because I want to play an ele not a poor man’s hammer warrior!) our DPS straight up sucks compared to all other classes.
So basically you just want all the problems we had in the meta to come back all over again? Do you even understand why they nerfed those things at all? The only ones I could remotely agree on are the stun breakers for purif flame and the rtl distance, but not the cd on it. Lightning flas can still get you out of the area even if stunned, so there’s no point in stun breaker for that. The healing is still pretty op if you play it right, and as for the condi removal, we have tons of it just most people don’t know how to properly use it. Ether renewal does need a fix though, the full cd on interrupt is bad. But unless you plan on going “player vs server” there’s allied condi removals too that everyone seems to forget about. might want to think about running with a better team.
Play as a warrior then come back and say that. I’ve been maining warrior since they keep nerfing ele into uselessness. Compared to the buffs warrior has gotten and the buffs they KEEP getting despite being the most OP class ever, the changes i’m asking for are barely anything. In fact they aren’t enough considering how warrior is now. Ele STILL would be crap compared to warrior if they doubled the damage on all our skills and cut all our cooldowns in half. And your argument about conditions is invalid. Berserkers stance, that’s all I need to say about that. Warrior also has dogged march which is a superior version of geomancer’s freedom.
Yeah, unless they nerf warrior severely I won’t settle for anything less than a complete unnerfing of everything that has happened to ele since beta.
Transfer to a non-bandwagon non-stacked server. I never experience any of this skill lag that the people in the higher tier servers keep complaining about. I wonder why that is. Hmmm? Care to field a guess?
Couldn’t agree with you more. It’s gotten pretty pathetic now. Everything on the map is paper. We basically just trade everything back and forth for points. There’s no point in defending as there’s no reward whatsoever for it. It’s more profitable for the winning and losing side to just flip everything. Anet has taken the best part of the game and turned it into a stupid farming mode. They also refuse to listen to player suggestions even though there are numerous people on here with good ideas that they totally ignore. They’re basically like “hey we heard you want more balanced matchups, but here’s some flame ram mastery instead! Aren’t you grateful?” “You guys like GvG in a game called Guild Wars, here’s some bloodlust buffs to make things as uneven as possible!”
I really wonder where all those people on YB come from all of a sudden – i remember weeks where a handful of people, me among them, tried to defend our BL against constant Zergs, and no one came to help. This system really messes things up, the leagues will do so even more so. This match-up is not fun for all of us either…i know it won’t make you feel any better.
That’s what I was saying before. We NEVER have this many people. Where were they last week when we needed them? How much you wanna bet that if we face DB or SBI again all these new people will be nowhere to be found? This would have actually been a really fun matchup for all of us if we hadn’t had the sudden influx of all these new people, because normally we have about the same coverage that SF and HoD have. They kinda screwed things up for everyone.
I really wish things were more evenly matched here. It really sucks for SF and HoD. Its a shame because from what I’ve seen from both of these servers, they both have a lot of really good roamers. And that’s something we never find when we face some of the higher tiered servers that are usually steamrolling us. This matchup seems to have brought out a lot of the jerks on YB too. A lot of guilds and players I’ve never seen before who keep ganking small groups and uplevels then laughing at them.
I’ve had a lot of decent fights so far atleast. Just now I had I really good fight with this sylvari ele at the hylek camp. Too bad other people on my side kept trying to jump in. I really wanted to fight you alone. When I realized they weren’t going to listen to me and kept attacking anyway I just bowed to you and left. That’s why I didn’t even bother trying to save that guardian who you killed and stomped. Hopefully i’ll run into you again. You didn’t even have a guild tag but i’ll probably recognize you if I see you again. I was the human ele with the DAOC tag.
They need to do away with it because people keep purposely failing now to try and get it. It’s enough of a pain trying to get people to work together and kill the dragon without half the people purposely trying to sabotage the event for some stupid achievement that doesn’t even reward anything.
Yeah it has to go. People keep purposely failing it now trying to get this which is really annoying when I just want to kill the dragon and get the chest.
Probably one of the guilds that only show up when the odds favor us.
I’ve had a lot of really great fights so far with both SF and HoD. Both servers have a lot of decent players and you’ve managed to keep things really interesting so far. And what the hell is MoB? I’ve never even heard of them and i’m in WvW every day for hours.
yep, it’s STILL bugged. Just noticed you can still have new conditions applied to you and can be feared, stunned, knocked down, etc. It’s utterly worthless now. Long cooldown and all you do is lock yourself out of your skills and make it easier for the enemy to kill you. it’s the same as endure pain now but with a longer cooldown and unlike endure pain it locks us out of all our skills. Nice job at making mist form totally worthless Anet. And it’s not just mistform. Our downstate vapor form is bugged in the same way as well.
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This is the typical YB scouting party. Small and quaint. No bigger than a thimble.
Would you say we have a plethora?
I wish we had that many people usually. When we actually need numbers, like when we face DB or SBI, none of those people are anywhere to be found and we’re lucky to have 20 people total to cover all maps. We face a server they know can’t field as many, and all the fairweather scrubs come out of hiding. We probably could have put up a fight against SBI last matchup if these people had actually had the balls to show up and help.
Shout heal warriors are incredible, if built correctly. Unfortunately few people know how to build a shout warrior correctly and I don’t share my builds. It is a fact that warriors are the best healers in game. Many idiots will disagree with this though who don’t know warrior’s full potential. Most people rely on incorrect formulas and FOTM cookie cutter builds and wonder why they fail so hard.
You can’t be a glass cannon as an ele. the best you can be is a glass slingshot. If you want to be able to hit for 32k with a single skill (yes that is possible) roll a warrior.
They just need to unnerf our skills that they messed up. We should be able to heal in mistform again, RTL needs its original cooldown and range back, they need to unnerf our condition removal and healing as well. And there was no reason for them to remove the stunbreakers on purifying flame and lightning flash. I’d gladly trade Mesmer’s blink with our LF. Even with those changes we would STILL be underpowered compared to all the other classes as they are now. The thing eles need most of all is a flat out buff in damage to all our skills. Unless you’re using some gimmicky conjure build(which I refuse to use because I want to play an ele not a poor man’s hammer warrior!) our DPS straight up sucks compared to all other classes.
I doubt a thief could take down a warrior who isn’t afk or just plain horrible. On any other class, thief is a threat. When i’m playing as my warrior, I actually feel bad for them because of how easy it is. 1 pindown is usually enough to drop those glass cannon ones who put everything into attack and forsake all defense. The ones who stealth constantly and fart condition removal still aren’t a problem. I can stack on the conditions faster than they can cure them, and that’s saying a lot since if traited for it thief has the best condition removal in the game. Well after warrior anyway, but warrior can be totally immune to conditions.
I’m noticing a lot of people I’ve never seen in WvW before. All our fairweathers have come out to play. Where were you jerks last week when we fought SBI and had about 20 people to hop around on all the maps.
Yeah, at the very least we should have the option of clicking on the buff and disabling it from ourselves. It’s not fair when you run into other roamers and you have the buff and they don’t. I think it was Anet’s intention to kill roaming and GvG to push people into spvp, which I hate with a passion.
I feel really bad for you guys. YB was on the receiving end of being overwhelmed with superior numbers in the previous match, and that wasn’t fun. It’s not much fun either being on the winning side of an uneven matchup. And the stupid bloodlust isn’t helping. I still say they should swap that with outmanned.
Bottomline is if you have any clue at all what you’re doing with warrior, you should NEVER die to anyone else unless it’s another warrior. The other professions simply don’t stand a chance against a semi competent warrior. It’s in a tier all of its own now. That’s why my guild is pretty much all warriors now. we gave up on the other classes. Anyone who still thinks warrior is bad, or needs any kind of buff is just stupid and doesn’t know how to use the class.
Yeah, they still haven’t fixed the bug in it. You can still be feared, stunned, and knocked down in mist form and vapor form. Take arcane shield instead. Mistform has gotten crappier and crappier since they fist nerfed it. Not even worth using anymore.
Well I don’t know what you people are doing wrong that you think that, but I seriously doubt any guardian could outdamage me. And it usually takes a minimum of 5 people to drop me, that’s IF they can catch me. I can literally go AFK while someone beats on me, come back and still be alive. Most people usually give up trying to fight me without a bunch of other people with them to help them. my pindown does almost 20k in bleeds. Combustive shot ticks for almost 1k, I regen for almost 1500, and I can run away from just about anyone if I have to. So I don’t know what you people are complaining about. Maybe you just don’t know how to use warrior correctly. I bet the majority of you are using all zerker gear with the wrong traits and wondering why you’re dying.
Not really, Evades and Blocks are also invuln skills, and they also get stuff built into them.
EP/BS both take up a utility slot and have long CDs compared to other classes skills.
And you’re comparing the class with the highest damage, HP and armor to classes with much lower base survivability. They have built in stuff because they NEED it. As much as I dislike thieves, I still see why they have all those evades and stuff. They have a low health pool and armor.
You really should have all weapons you can use and keep them in an invisible bag. you will need to switch often depending on the situation. A good ele always needs to be prepared and to adapt to any situation that arises. There will be times where people will need your staff for its fields, times when you’ll need focus defensive skills, (like in fractals for example) and you’ll need daggers occasionally as well. You’ll learn when to use each weapon easily enough on your own, its not that complicated. The only pain is getting out of combat to swap if a situation arises that you need a different weapon.
Keep in mind that in the next patch players that block or dodge will count in the 5 player AOE cap. So zergs will be helped even further.
Surprisingly had a lot of really good fights in this matchup despite the uneven odds. Wouldn’t mind fighting you guys again if things could somehow be more even. My only really bad experience was with this one commander from SBI who seemed to REALLY hate me for some reason. I killed him a few times so he left and came back with a zerg to try and kill me. Still got away and managed to get back into a tower before being run over by 20 people and he sits there spamming emotes at me. He eventually left, well I thought he left anyway, so I left and he comes back to try and jump me again. Still got away though. Wish I could remember your guild tag so I could call you out on here, but you were a really pathetic commander. Good luck trying to kill me if we ever meet again, should have brought more than 20 with you I guess since you can’t handle 1 little warrior alone.
We have Camelot Unchained to look forward to atleast. After all the stupid changes that Anet has made to this game, and the fact they never listen to what their customers want, I would never recommend this game to anyone else. I’m only still here because there really is no other competition at the moment. If Anet did have more competition right now, I doubt most of the people here would still be here.
Well that’s what other skills like berserker’s stance are for. Used in conjunction with endure pain, it’s pretty amazing. Keep in mind that unlike other classes that have invulnerables, you AREN’T locked out of your other skills when you use endure pain. That IMO, makes it superior to just a flat out invul, plus it also has a much lower cooldown than the invulns on other classes.
I’d be ok with them lessening the damage on arcane shield or even removing it altogether if they reduced it to like 15 sec cooldown. being able to block 3 attacks every 15 sec would open up a ton of other build possibilities. We could try more riskier builds and maybe revive some of the old ones they destroyed when they nerfed our mobility, condition cleansing, and healing to hell and back.
Does anyone know of any other games that have something like wvw, except not crappy?
You guys in SBI on EB really need to be more thorough in your Mesmer sweeps. the same Mesmer kept hiding in the same spot every time you took valley, and kept porting us back in haha. Not that I care, more wxp for me every time we take it back.
Our EB crew usually doesn’t care about keeping stuff like that and won’t bother sweeping unless they really want to stick it to someone. Much like you get more WXP taking it back several times we get more WXP and ore reflipping it instead of actually holding it.
Guess it works for both of us then. I guess I should thank you guys then. I have another stack of dragonite ore thanks to that.
So we aren’t allowed to bunker, even though every other class including thief can. We aren’t allowed to be mobile. We aren’t allowed to have a burst build even though every single other class can. So what are we supposed to do? Ele has no role in the game anymore.
Ele was never OP. Low damage, low health, and now low mobility. Why are warriors allowed to have massive mobility, deal huge damage, and be tanky as hell? Some scrub warriors will argue “but that’s not all one build, we have to sacrifice everything for mobility and are useless!” Bull, absolute bull. That IS all one build, I have a warrior myself and use that cheesy OP build. Takes 15-30 people to kill you IF they can catch up to you since you’re immune to snares 90% of the time you deal ridiculous amounts of condition damage, and can disengage combat any time you chose and come back in fully healed while your enemy is still dying from your bleeds, confusion, and burns. Ele could run away and was hard to kill, but that’s ALL it could do. It couldn’t deal damage, and still can’t. They need to massively boost our damage output or reverse the RTL nerf so we can atleast be mobile again.
^You mean join the rest of us who sit in LA and talk trash to people in map chat. Cuz that’s about all ele is good for anymore. They’ve destroyed every single viable build with each patch.
Swap it with outmanned buff.
You guys in SBI on EB really need to be more thorough in your Mesmer sweeps. the same Mesmer kept hiding in the same spot every time you took valley, and kept porting us back in haha. Not that I care, more wxp for me every time we take it back.
It’s not just you, it has been stealth nerfed. It doesn’t hit as hard as before.
Why not just make it so that the outnumbering server can’t claim the bloodlust buff? Its bad enough when they have 3 times or more people than you do. Do they really need the extra stats? If your opponent has outmanned buff, you can’t claim bloodlust. Simple solution that gives the lesser servers a fighting chance.
Well the way things are now, a lot of people aren’t bothering with WvW anymore. We log in, see outmanned + 3 bloodlust buffs on the server who’s already 100k or more points ahead of us, we just log out. It’s like, why bother? The server that outmans everyone should be penalized. Give them a debuff that makes it take more supplies to build stuff, make upgrades take longer. Make it so that if you outnumber the other 2 servers you can’t claim the bloodlust buff.