Its because the few devs who play WvW all play on stacked servers. So of course they think it’s ok. They get to faceroll even more now.
we ALL knew this would happen. There were numerous threads saying it was a bad idea, most of which were deleted. I still say bloodlust and outmanned should be swapped. They’re idiots for thinking that it would cause people to grief others to stay out of wvw because we’d want the stat boost. More people is always better than higher stats. The higher stats would atleast give us a fracking chance when we are outnumbered though. It’s not that hard of a concept to grasp. You have some hard headed people working at Anet though, they can’t admit when they’re WRONG!
^But there is an easy “I win button” in this game. 2 actually. They’re called permastealth thief and stun spam warrior with perplexity runes.
Pretty impressive gameplay. You’re gonna get us nerfed again though haha. Just goes to show how a good player could make even the weakest class in game look good.
Well said bro. I think most of us feel this way. the current random matchup system is terrible. Beyond terrible, it’s rage inducing. So many people have quit because of it.
It’s very possible. There are quite a few tanky warrior builds where you literally will do no damage to them at all unless you’re totally glass and hit like a truck. And even then it will be hard for you to kill them since if you’re that squishy, they could kill you very easily.
considering how squishy we are and the fact we have to be mobile to stay alive, I wouldn’t settle for anything less than a complete unnerf back to its original state. 1550 at 15 sec cooldown. Any less than that and they have to increase the damage and blast radius, and make it unblockable.
^No I hate ground targeting skills. It just needs to be unnerfed and not screwed with any further.
Even if you have a couple guardians with you using syg and are fighting a group with about even numbers, it’s a pain. They can stun WAY more often than you can dodge, or stunbreak, or use stability. The group of warriors I usually roll with, who are normally all condition or healer builds, decided to change things up and try out a group stun build. Holy crap, it’s ridiculously easy to roll over people. And we were all pretty new to this build as well. It literally takes no brains at all to use it and a group of equal size stands no chance whatsoever against it. We also were all using perplexity runes which made it even more hilarious. It is really broken, and anyone defending it is obviously a terrible player who NEEDS to use it just to get a win. But i’m still going to abuse it until it does eventually, and rightfully get nerfed. Because hey, might as well do what everyone else is doing and ride easy mode and troll people.
hi guy, we all know every server has some hacks and cheats…..even tho sbi have the zombie hordes(50-70) zergs…..still a lot of sbi relies on hacks and cheats to flip borlis pass forts. SBI been cheating and hacking back in June match up and they still doing it this week (09/13/2013)…can u say zoomhack.?
what’s the point of wvwvw..if a server can only win with cheats and hacks.?
I have attached a pic of it from June and sbi still doing cheats/hacks this week.here’s the pic but I am not sure if anet will remove the pic….pic from june ..wild creek
on the eternal map..shows red target circles way inside…while the gate still up and all the sbi is still outside
Its not just that. I’m not going to name any guild names, but I’ve seen SEVERAL warriors who can somehow teleport and stealth themselves. Took us a long time to kill this one warrior who even teleported after he was downed then ressed himself. We had a hell of a time finally finishing him off.
An easy lootbag.
Nice fight just now at Bluelake. Took us quite awhile to take it.
That’s why legendary weapons look so appealing now. the versatility. I had no plans to ever make one because I thought it would be a waste of time. but I like changing builds a lot and making a ton of different ascended weapons just isn’t going to cut it. So i’m kind of forced to get a couple legendaries now.
Proof of ANET gulid on SBI
No wonder I have such a hard time finding them. they zerg and cap towers. I generally avoid zergs and stay far away from most of that siege and tower capturing crap. I was hoping to gank a few who were roaming around. Do me a favor and tell them that they need to start roaming a bit so I can get a shot at them. I REALLY want to kill them.
The general opinion seems to be that longbow is great. It’s strange because I rarely ever agree with anyone on this forum when they say something is good or bad. This is the one time that has happened. It’s quite possibly the best ranged weapon in game and you really should get one if you don’t have one now. It does feel odd being on warrior though. You’d think ranger would have the best bow skills, but that’s not the case.
How do you chase a GS / S+Horn warrior again? Please enlighten me, I am utterly clueless on how anyone has mobility matching this ridiculous setup that creates something like 3k distance in less than 3 seconds without even using a single utility slot.
try to cripple chill or imbolie if that doesn’t work don’t waste your time a warrior who is built to run is much less of a threat then the one made to kill you.
This guy said it. If hes built for mobility then hes not built to kill. That simple. That’s the way builds work around here. You are always sacrificing something.
Wrong. I’m built to be mobile and I have no problem whatsoever killing people. You people just don’t know how to make builds so that you DON’T have to sacrifice anything and can get the best of both worlds.
You’re talking about spvp though. I never bother with spvp. And ele was always grossly underpowered in wvw. There’s no reason whatsoever why they couldn’t split the skills for pvp if it was that bad in spvp rather than making it worse than it already was in wvw and pve. It may have been ok before, but compared to other classes, especially after all the buffs they’ve received, ele is sub-par at best.
Anet did exactly what they said they weren’t going to do with their dartboard balancing approach. They wanted to bring down the bunker build (which was never OP to begin with because all it could do was stay alive and couldn’t do any damage which is what a bunker is SUPPOSED to do) without affecting other builds. Why is every single other class (yes including thief, perhaps i’ll make a vid one day of my bunker thief who can still do 7k backstabs) allowed to have a bunker spec except for us?
The thing is they not only nerfed bunker to the point that its a useless spec now that cant bunker any better than other classes burst specs, but they destroyed several other builds that weren’t that widely used. They completely obliterated atleast 5 other builds with their stupid changes making them totally unusable now. They clearly have no idea what the hell they’re doing. We only have 1 viable spec now which is the gimmicky burst build which will lose easily against anyone who can dodge just once. It’s only useful for ganking people who are either afk or clueless noobs who can’t dodge. And it’s the same rotation every time, so it’s not like it’s hard to dodge it either, you know exactly when to dodge to avoid the entire burst then you can turn around and kill them in one hit while every single utility is on cooldown.
You’re kidding right? You’ve obviously never used a longbow. It’s amazing and I always carry one with me.
Yeah this is really annoying. I wish they’d fix that.
You have no one else to blame but ANET. Stop wasting your time. Since ANET allowed it to exist, people are going to use it.
I definately don’t blame the players who use it, go ahead have fun being overpowered while it lasts.
But i do have a problem with players who try to defend it. When bunker eles were overpowered i personally didn’t play one and i always agreed that they needed a nerf. Some people are just so pathetic to try to cling on to it for as long as they can.
Bunker eles were never overpowered though. Couldn’t kill anything at all, just kite forever and not die, which is what a bunker is supposed to do. Warrior bunker on the other hand also never dies, can kite forever with insane mobility that’s even better than pre nerf ele, and can do sickening levels of damage with conditions that can burst people down faster than some power builds.
I’d say go with a tanky warrior build. You’ll have mobility that can keep up with him. What if things go bad and you have to bail? Unless you’re right next to eachother and he can stealth you, he could get away and you’d be left to die. Atleast with a warrior you’d have nearly equal mobility and can get the hell out if things go bad. Plus thieves are kind of squishy if they spec to be glassy bursters and you could spec to be a tanky shout healer which will be a lifesaver for him if he gets nailed by someone.
For the idiots who think warrior can’t bunker. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VSMD3rmL2k
We only saw him a couple times and he always runs away back into a tower. Yeah any class is ok if you hide in a zerg or tower. I will get him eventually, it is my mission now.
So basically, you want to convince a dev that eles aren’t balanced because they cannot take down an entire guild of warriors all by themselves?
Do you see the logic flaw in your plan?
we weren’t all going to jump him at once. take turns killing him 1 on 1.
Lol at the horrible S/D thief on SBI who called us hackers cuz she couldn’t kill us till her zerg rolled over us. You guys are priceless. How did you like my pindown that almost 1 shotted you?
We only saw him a couple times and he always runs away back into a tower. Yeah any class is ok if you hide in a zerg or tower. I will get him eventually, it is my mission now.
There’s an anet dev on SBI! He’s our personal guild bounty now for this whole matchup.
Theres a dev who’s in one of the opposing teams in the matchup i’m currently in. He’s playing an ele. My guild which is mostly warriors now has made it a mission to follow and kill him as much as possible. Its our own personal guild bounty. Let’s see if he still thinks eles are “ok for the most part” when we’re through with him.
Hey we don’t want to face Dragonbrand again. I’m hoping YB comes in 3rd this time.
Why is SBI so bad? Discuss.
Hey they’re not all bad. They’re good at outnumbering people. I’m atleast having fun fighting BP. You guys can put up a fight without having to completely outnumber your opponent. Too bad every time we turn a corner there’s a horde of them everywhere.
Nice fight by your spawn right now SBI. only took 75 of you to drop the 3 of us haha. Love from DAOC.
In identical gear your guardian will achieve the exact same toughness, any class will achieve the exact same toughness, and as they are also a heavy, the exact same resulting armor value. Your HP is lower but you can spam protection whenever you feel like it with a hammer making your effective HP 1.5x what it reads.
Hammer is terrible, the 3rd part of that chain is like the second coming of jesus, i’ve tried to make it work i really have but in a fast paced action based combat game it just doesnt cut it. But yes we can get prot from mace, shield, SY and HTL, i personally run 85% boon duration to increase my uptime on prot/regen to try and counterbalance the low HP pool.
Dolyak signet will give you more toughness if you choose to slot it, usually people slot it for the stability more than anything else.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree, the original quote still stands as “Warriors cannot bunker in the slightest” I feel they can if they spec for it, might not be the best bunkers out there but they can be quite tough to take down or clear off a point.
I don’t know where that myth came from that warriors can’t bunker. they are without a doubt THE best bunkers in game. Most people just don’t have half a brain and won’t use anything besides cookie cutter builds they find on forums or websites, relying on flawed formulas to tell them what they can and can’t do instead of experimenting and finding out for themselves.
We don’t take evasive arcan because it’s good, we take it because everything else sucks. I wouldn’t bother with it if it weren’t for the water heal, which wouldn’t be necessary if we had a better way of sustaining ourselves. Eles lack sustainability in prolonged fights. They nerfed everything that would have allowed us to sustain ourselves without any buffs to compensate. I’d much rather have a more offensive ability available, but i’d be reluctant to take anything else at this point because we NEED that water heal because our burst healing sucks compared to warrior, our armor and hp sucks when compared to any class, as does our mobility. And even if we spec for full damage, bunker specs of other classes can still outdamage us without having to sacrifice every bit of survivability like we do.
That’s pretty much the majority of thief players in a nutshell. Honestly if I could choose one class to just obliterate in its entirety from this game – along with the obnoxious, entitled players who main it – I would choose thief in an instant.
Aww but then who’s bodies would I dance on? It is pretty satisfyling to see a body pop out of stealth in downstate burninating in my combustive shot.
The fact that the majority of posts on this forum are talking about how weak we feel compared to all other classes and what other games we are eagerly awaiting the release of instead of discussing builds and strategies like other class forums shows just what a sorry state this class is in. It also shows how ignorant and clueless the developers and balance teams are, because we are most definitely not “ok for the most part”.
Possibly. Pretty much everyone in my guild rerolled warrior. It does get kinda boring after awhile though. We’re all running the same spec. We’re practically unkillable because of how overpowered warrior is right now, and only get better in that spec when we’re together. It was more fun when we all played as something different, but it’s just not logical to play as anything besides warrior now because it is the golden child right now. Why kitten yourselves and play anything but the best? And currently warrior is the best at everything. that’s not opinion, that’s fact, which has been proven in multiple videos.
I used to run a sprit weapon build before they made them killable. They were so much fun. They just die in seconds to AoE now and aren’t even worth using in larger fights. 1vs1 they’re ok though. All summons on all classes that can summon something suffer from the same problem. They just aren’t durable enough. Anyone remember the beastmaster class from EQ? That spirit animal thing you summoned? THAT is how durable summons should be in this game. make them actually worth using. The pet was more useful than some party members were at times. Summons shouldn’t have a timer either where they just disappear after a set amount of time. They should remain out until they are killed, but they need to be a lot more durable to make them actually worth using.
Why do you think I rerolled warrior? You’d be smart to do the same. It’s easy mode compared to ele and the devs main warrior so it’s a protected pet class that will only receive buffs despite how overpowered it is now. Abuse it while you can before someone with half a brain accidentally makes it onto the balance team.
A warrior built for mobility is hardly useless. I can deal a pretty decent amount of damage. All bunker ele was good for was running away. It could never kill anyone. It was just a troll spec. Unlike a properly built warrior. I’m extremely mobile and tanky and can kill most people I encounter pretty quickly as well. I and my guild have made several videos proving this, so im not just talking a bunch of crap. I can back up what I say. I can do more damage with a bunker warrior than a burst ele can do and have way more survivability and mobility as well. Nothing has really changed for me. I just use warrior now instead of ele to troll people. Well, I shouldn’t say nothing has changed. I can ACTUALLY kill people with my warrior unlike with ele. I can dive into groups of 10 or 20, kill a couple, run away, still have time to /laugh at them while they chase me, and get back to someplace safe. So yeah I agree, it’s by no means fair. The warrior can do what ele was accused of being OP for doing, running away, but be exponentially better at it AND have the benefit of actually being able to kill someone, which bunker ele could never do.
IMHO they should restore RTL. At that time it seemed like a big deal, but it wasn’t the main problem. Maybe the fact that you are invulnerable while using it is a bit of a concern. If it is, make RTL movement faster and make it last less, so that you can still cover the same distance.
You aren’t invulnerable while using it. It locks you out of all your skills while using rtl and you can be immobilized while in it effectively making you a free kill since you cant use any skills while you’re a ball of light. I don’t get why they nerfed it in the first place as any semi decent player with half a brain could have stopped them from getting away with a simple immobilize. The devs are just too braindead/stubborn to admit they made a mistake and revert the changes when warrior, ranger and thief all outclassed the ele by miles in terms of mobility even BEFORE the nerf.
It’s not just you. pretty much all of us feel this way except for a few delusional freaks who still think this class is fine. They either secretly work for Anet and are trying to convince us the class doesn’t suck, or they’ve never played any other class and thus have nothing else to compare it to so they think it’s ok. It is not ok by any means in comparison to other classes.
They need to add ascended back items, weapons, and armor for badges. I don’t care how often the materials to craft ascended items drop in wvw. I don’t want to craft, I want to kill people and get it that way. Make ALL ascended gear purchasable for badges.
How about putting in a kill counter? Guaranteed rare or exotic or ascended item for every 10 people I kill. This would be great for roamers and siege monkeys alike.
can someone clarify why you eles don’t like celestial? it seems perfect for elementalist
It looks good on paper, but it’s horrible when you actually use it. Your defense and offense will be really low. You have more healing and vit, but lower armor. So you actually die more easily. You have high crit damage, but low precision and power. So you actually deal less damage. And the extra cond damage you do is negligible since ele is the worst profession besides guardian to make a cond build for. It was good for the MF, but they took that off without buffing anything else. So Celestial is absolutely worthless now. Don’t waste your time getting it like the rest of us had and realized afterwards how bad it is. A few celestial trinkets or armor pieces is fine to fill in gaps your build is missing. But don’t go full celestial, you’ll regret the waste in time and money.
^Yeah only a small % of us bother with spvp anyway and couldn’t give a crap about that. For WvW, ele is still getting screwed over. But great for those of you who like to stand in a little circle for points. whoopee!
Well in case anet has any doubts, GW2 appears to be entering a crucial period a mere year after its release with both its competitive communities in crisis.
Who knows? We might get lucky and this will be the wakeup call for their to dislodge their heads from their sphincters. Any company that thinks it knows what its customers want better than its customers is insane, and it’s crazy that Anet’s basically giving the middle finger to what is probably the most devoted casual PvP playerbase they have.
Let’s hope so. Right now I see this game going down the same road that D3 was before. Never listening to the community on what it wants. Telling you how you should play the game and ignoring the customer’s concerns. People were leaving in droves and they were losing a ton of money. They eventually woke up and fired Jay Wilson. But by the time that happened, there were very few people left who still cared and the game is pretty much dead now except for a few hardcore fans who stuck through it.
It definitely should be account bound. It sucks if you decide you want to play another character. I forget what my rank was on my ele, but I got pretty kitten high. But after they nerfed that class into an unplayable mess I switched to my warrior and now have to grind to get all the crap I had before. What happens if they nerf warrior into crap and i’m forced to reroll again? Then i’ll have to grid all that wxp AGAIN and be even further behind everyone else than I already am.
Now if you have a Norn warrior with Rune of the Centaur who uses snow leopard transformation…GG lol
Tempted to level a 2nd warrior now who’s a norn just for the purpose of trolling people.
Well for a start Ele’s aren’t restricted to melee, whereas warriors are (A ranged warrior loses out on a LOT of mobility, even if GS is secondary).
If you remove/nerf their gap closers, they just become walking sacks of HP for all ranged classes to kill.Heck, I actually fought against a Hammer + Mace/Shield Warr the other day on my ranger and due to him not having any gap closers, downed him before he could really do anything to me.
Actually eles ARE restricted to either melee or ranged depending on what weapon they have. you can’t swap weapons in combat.
Lol ele melee is 300-600 range. That’s not melee.
it’s more than close enough considering how squishy ele is and the fact it has nowhere near the mobility and sustainability of warrior.